“Apple’s decision to lower Apple TV’s price to $229 is eerily similar to Toshiba’s announcement on Monday that it’s lowering the price on its HD DVD players,” Phillip “Swanni” Swann writes for TVPredictions.com. “When you’re losing — and losing bad — you lower the price. And with Apple TV’s sales numbers to date, it’s been a loser.”
“However, even at $229, Apple TV will struggle to generate significant sales,” Swann writes.
“Americans have demonstrated that they have ‘set-top fatigue,’; their interest in buying yet another TV set-top is limited at best. Just ask Moviebeam, or even the retail division of TiVo,” Swann writes. “Set-top fatigue is one of the reasons why Blu-ray and HD DVD player sales have lagged as well; it’s not just the format war. Prices need to be lower to persuade consumers to give a new TV set-top service a chance, particularly in a down economy.”
“If Apple really wants Apple TV to succeed, $229 is a good start. And, adding the high-def movies is a no-brainer,” Swann writes. “But most consumers will decide that they can get those HD (and SD) movies from more convenient (and easier-to-use) sources such as cable’s Video on Demand, premium movie channels and your basic DVD player. (And, in time, even the Blu-ray players will be under $200, if not lower than that.)”
“Plus, they won’t have to invest in a new product that seems foreign to them, such as the Apple TV device,” Swann writes. “Consequently, I stick to my prediction that Apple TV will be a bust.”
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MacDailyNews Take: The last we heard from the eerily unprescient “Swanni” was less than a month ago when he predicted that “Apple will dump Apple TV in 2008.”
Did Apple sound like they were dumping Apple TV today? Hello? Anyone?
Back in October 2005, soothsayer “Swanni” gazed into his occluded crystal ball and predicted that “‘The video iPod will be Steve Jobs’ folly.”
Smirk.
Apple TV is now more affordable. For free, Apple TV, including all 800,000 or so of them that are already out there in the hand of users, have instantly become more capable. Apple TV can now instantly rent HD movies from all of the major film studios with Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound, now with no computer required. All of that on top of the already useful ability to bring TV shows, music, photos (now from .Mac and Flickr, too), podcasts, and YouTube videos to your television and/or home theater system.
The Apple Stores will drive consumer education and awareness for the device. Just as the video iPod was not Steve Jobs’ folly, Apple TV will not be a bust and Apple will not dump it in 2008.
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I own an AppleTV. Hopefully this change makes it more useful. IMHO
This is the instant video rental service that will be a success. Blu-
ray and HD DVD haven’t succeeded yet because people aren’t willing to pay $800 for an HD player when people don’t even know which format will be around in 2 years (we remember Betamax too well).
Apple dropped the price similar to why it dropped the price on the iPhone – grab market share. The more people using your products helps cement you as the king of the hill, and in this new video content delivery market, being the first and best known is very important.
I own an Apple TV, and it hasn’t been plugged into my TV for months and months. It was wasting a HDMI port.
This upgrade gives me some hope, maybe the movie rentals will be enough.
So, I will set the Apple TV once the update is out and give it another try. Hopefully the second time is the charm.
Glad the update was free. It really needed to be.
Strange that Apple would include Flickr but not Picasa Web Albums. They have YouTube videos after all, so Google already has their foot in the door, so to speak.
That Swanni dude writes like he has a stick up his ass all the time. Pay no attention to him, now or ever. This guy is not right very often.
I’ve tried Shaw’s Video-on-Demand service, and what a pain in the *** it is. Horrible navigation, variety, long waits for it to load up…. and then it’s not the cheapest shop in town. I don’t call that “more convenient. Apple TV is going to bust open this industry. People want smaller, and Apple is delivering. Here in this town, the local digital cable boxes are bulky and have their own fan for cooling, to watch TV!!! Unbelievable.
This time the “swanni” might be right. There’s still not enough to the TV to convince me to buy one. This is a typically reverse market case where Apple needs to load in features to convince people to drop their current set-top boxes. Right now, the TV is nothing more than a proprietary merchandising platform that blatantly limits anything else I might want to use it for.
Few give a hoot about Flickr, YouTube and the rest of that crap.
There was a reason they choose the annual accounting for the Apple TV… because they *planned* to continue to enhance it. They wanted to get the box out there, into homes, so they could tell studios there was an established custome base. 800,000 is nothing to balk at. Add in all the iPods, iPhones, and computers, and it was impossible for the studios to deny Apple rights to rent movies. This was all planned, a long-term plan.
TV is dead.
The funny thing about Swann’s analysis is that Apple TV is a VOD service. It’s a legitimate alternative to Cable TV and Optical Disc players. It may not be right for every customer out there, but it’s certainly a player (in the good way).
I proudly own an apple tv. I was part of an electronic christmas for me.(the second gift was a sony psp). I love and use my apple tv almost every day. I don’t think that it is a bust. For people deciding to buy one. By all means, purchase an apple tv and enjoy.
iCal’ed.
Way down on the Swanni iRiver…
I think when people decide on a platform, most will wonder how viable it will be in a year or two. Yes, I still have my Sony Beta Hi-Fi. $800.00 for two years of use before the format was hard to find.
I had no desire to buy an HD disc player until the standard was settled. Moviebeam never seemed like it stood a chance. Wal-Mart isn’t known for technology. Microsoft scares everyone. Netflix is great, but they are just now getting to where you can view online downloads on your TV. And can you rent content on Tivo? No.
The funny thing about Apple rentals is, there is an installed base of not only iTunes users, making it easy to at least give it a try, but just enough TV owners to kick start this rollout as Apple eases into new territory.
Apple also offers stability. Now when people look at an TV, they know that the movie store will most likely be around for awhile. Together with ripping my DVD with Handbrake or with the new option, I can view DVDs along with almost any other content I want.
And, naturally, Apple will continue to add content like Picasa to be available for TV viewing.
I too, like Andrew above, have used my Apple TV most every day since I got it last March. Frankly, I’m surprised that there are so many that don’t find it useful even in its current state.
I’ve got music, tv shows, movies podcasts and photos all loaded up, and man, I just love it.
This is a great upgrade that is going to make an already great device even better.
What an idiot trolling for attention. AppleTV is what VOD was suppose to be. You now have today in 2008. Movies from all major studios and more. Audio and Video PodCast and some in HD. All your iTunes music streamed. All your photos. The most popular TV shows commercial free. No NBC content is a bonus. Oh and major newscast on video podcast. All coming thru HDMI through my AV. Both audio and video. Now with rentals and no need to have a computer either. Like I say this is what MEDIA on demand should be. VOD nah, MOD.
iPod will never sell, iPhone will fail, and now Apple TV. This is a good sign. Apple must be on the right track.
Actually the first casualty will be my premium channels on Comcast (what a horrible interface) followed by my NetFlix subscription. Then I’ll be cutting the number of DVDs I buy from Amazon.
Perhaps someday TV programs won’t be scheduled — they’ll be posted. When that day comes I won’t need my Tivo anymore either. For now my Tivo and Apple TV are all I need.
Mike
He’s so wrong. I’ll be adding an Apple TV shortly after the new units become available.
Goodbye cable TV. I can’t wait to tell Comcast to take a hike. I’ll download all the stuff I really enjoy (which isn’t much) and watch sports over the air. It’s the cost effective thing to do.
Apple just taught the cable morons what “On Demand” means. Think they’re listening? I don’t. BUY APPL!
I don’t see paying 3 or 4 bucks to rent a movie over the internet. I go down to the local HEB grocery store and rent a DVD for a buck. I like having the disc in hand. I can watch it on either of my TVs or any of my computers and even my portable DVD player. And OH BTW I can copy it (yeah, I know) but I’m being honest about it. Rarely watch the copy anyway. Also a thing I don’t like about the Apple TV and front row is that when I am playing music I can’t turn on a visualizer. I get tires of album art. And how about a browser? My Wii has a browser. If Apple can put Safari on the iPhone and iPod Touch then it shouldn’t be hard to put on Apple TV. And while your at it throw in a DVD player. One box for everything. Hell, I just described Mac Mini. Never mind.
I don’t think this thing competes with On Demand. At least the On Demand I have. Hell, if I lost PBS Sprout on demand my 3 year old would drive me nuts. Until there is more free stuff on iTunes to rent then I’ll pass. Oh, I know cable isn’t free but sense I work for Comcast it is for me. And yeah, they suck. Liked working for TWC much better.
Apple TV will be a bust just like iPhone was a bust. Mark my words! (Bring back VHS and 8-Track.)
@TowerTone
who wrote:
>And can you rent content on Tivo? No.
Uh, yes you can, via Amazon Unbox. I do it all the time. That is, when Amazon has their 99-cent movie sale. It works pretty well. You can order via Amazon’s website or with your Tivo remote control. (Though the interface sucks — the worst is that there’s no way to see the rentability or price on the movie listing page, so you have to view each movie’s info to see the price or if it’s offered for sale or rent. Very annoying.) Same restrictions as Apple (30 days, 24 hours once you start viewing).
Despite this working pretty well and Tivo handling many other AppleTV features (pictures, music, etc.), I’m still tempted by AppleTV. I’m not sure why.
I have an AppleTV which I use mostly to view podcasts and view my pictures on a large screen. (My 1 year old daughter loves watching slide shows)
For me, on-demand never had enough of a selection to replace my netflix subscription, and besides that the $@!#! interface on the cable box is absurd.
I am going to cancel my netflix subscription tomorrow. The iTunes movie rental store looks like it will have a great selection of movies and I only pay for the ones I actually watch. (Netflix can be a good deal, but with an infant daughter I am lucky if I can watch 2 movies a month…)