“I can tell you that – with my limited exposure to the latest Leopard beta – OS X 10.5 is a far more user friendly, home network happy, 64-bit operating system for consumers than Windows Vista (even with SP1) could ever hope to be. This isn’t a classic ‘Apple vs Microsoft’ argument so much as it’s a ‘Windows vs Users’ one,” Chris Pirillo writes.
“To switch or not to switch… is becoming less of a question. Yesterday’s arguments simply DO NOT APPLY,” Pirillo writes.
Full article – recommended – here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Linux Guy And Mac Prodigal Son” for the heads up.]
More and more light is shining on the world day by day…
One large difference between Apple and Microsoft is that if Apple delayed Leopard now, people wouldn’t doubt that it was so they could make it even better, with Microsoft their delays are because they struggle to just get any old thing out the door.
Duh!
Tech-Shizzle
He’s one version too late-10.4 shamed Vista first.
Mac OS X 10.2 “Jaguar” shames Windows Vista…
Mac OS 7 shamed Windows Vista
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Whats windows?
oli – August 30, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
I’ve been using PCs and Windows for over 15 years, and I switched to OS X this summer. I’ve come to the same point you mentionned: I want a computer that works and don’t want to bother anymore with the technical stuff.
Obviously, it depends on your needs, but I think that unless you play games, you can do anything on OS X you could do on Windows, in an easier way.
My PC is now an expensive video game platform, and I basically don’t use it anymore.
On the other hand, I work full-time on my mac and I’m a lot more productive.
Garrett Murray – August 30, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
The Lucy shames Vista!
System 6 shamed Vista!
mac os 6.5 was cool to,
I used vista for 5 minutes, wow, They want it to be crap.
Vista has nothing to be ashamed of. Microsoft poured 5 years of blood, sweat and tears into their shining release and critics and users are rightfully ecstatic. I’m rockin’ Vista on my Dell right now.
It is Apple who should be ashamed of their blatant copy of Microsoft’s marvelous innovations. Apple, you make yourself look bad, and the world is beginning to notice. Buh-bye, Apple.
Your potential. Our passion.™
Norton Commander on DOS was… never mind.
my pad shames vista,
can we not mention it any more,
Hows everyone going? games what are we going to do for them???
there are addicts?
Too bad Vista is going to overtake the complete Crapple market share tomorrow when NetApplications releases it’s new numbers.
You won’t see MDN report a loss of Mac share either.
The Timex Sinclair 1000 shames Vista…
MW=below…Windows Vista b<strike>e</strike>lows.
zune lalaahhha LOl
hay there how are you?
Your still here, you dont really believe the stuff you say do you, If you do you should point out real flaws in mac OS and Advantages in windows then we can have a debate , it will be fun.
LOLL
Zune, how
here I can start to help you out a little
1. Windows has active directory, a little easier than macs active directory.
Um thats about it and I know.
@ vista pwns
You say this as if proud; as to say Bird flu will prevail , in asia
With the total debacle of iMovie 08, I resorted to looking into MSoft and Vista so I could run Adobe Premier Elements.
Still haven’t given up, but the Vista world has me close to giving up – what a mess!
I guess Steve knew this and that’s why he’s not worried about running off the long-time iMovie faithful.
It’s still knife to the heart and I’ll never see Steven Paul Jobs with the same admiration and resect I once had for him.
or like obesity is taking over USA so Obesity is great
XP shames Vista
lol i always says vista kinda sucks. http://www.themacfan.com they think so too
My radio shack color computer shamed Vista.
My TRS-80 model 1 did too.
No, seriously.
“The Timex Sinclair 1000 shames Vista…”
My Timex Indiglo watch shames Vista.
I dropped some brown in the porcelain just now that shames Vista.
Zune Bang: “Microsoft poured 5 years of blood, sweat and tears into their shining release …”
Zune, don’t you dare mention the name of one of the most inventive bands in music in the same breath as perhaps the least-inventive and most craptacular OS ever to be unleashed on mankind.
we really are mac ppl here huh, if feel so warm Lets all make and efforts to do to PC websites and get one a week
OK,.
I will start with MSN.com
I agree with Zune, but u wont convince anyone here… its a mac site. All of Mac’s following is here…. which is a grand total of 20 people. Apple is falling apart… Vista is going to destroy Mac and you all know it, but no 1 will admit it. Sad… I almost feel sorry for you… almost. Mac has way more compatability issues, on Mac OS X 10.3, I couldnt even play Oragon trail without it crashing… Programs are always not responding, it has very poor security vs vista, its just that every1 targets microsoft trying to fing holes in its security cause they find it a challenge. Hacking Mac is no challenge. it would take an hour to crack through this frail operating system. People keep attempting to hack and create viruses for vista because thats where most the customers are (vs mac’s handful) Hackers don’t even think its worth it to hack a mac, its like completing a 4 piece puzzle… just not as fun as a jigsaw because its no challenge. Apple is on a route to the end, so you guys should aim your attention on the ipod… because thats all this frail corporation has left…
I’m a Mac user, but this comparison is flawed: Vista is available in the marketplace, and Leopard isn’t… sigh.
Windows Vista is the best thing to happen to Apple since the return of Steve Jobs.
It’s obvious Microsoft is not going to have anything better for years.
Pigeon — You’re really not very good at this spamming thing.
Oh, and a memo to you: Mac users actually know how to type out the word “one” instead of using “1”.
There has to be developer with Leopard installed reading this right now.
Please answer these questions (yes, I know that is a NDA violation – so sue me)
Is there a better way to manage 300 widgets in Leopard (Dashboard Spaces? Dashboard folders?)
How is the multiple clipboard feature implemented?
Are there any animation development tools in the developer tools?
Thanks in advance!
Cubert
“couldnt even play Oragon trail”
That was hysterical for so many reasons!! I’m still laughing.
Thanks!
You know that thing where you pull the cord and it plays animal sounds? That puts Vista to shame!
You won’t see MDN report a loss of Mac share either.
Right, because there won’t be any to report! Mac sales have been growing at three times the industry average, even with Fistula’s release.
MW: “taking” over the world, one switcher at a time
When the trolls invade the MDN forums, suddenly the comments become nearly impossible to read. Did any of you even graduate junior high school?
I just have to laugh derisively at the Windows freaks who call a Mac a toy and then complain that the Mac is no good for playing games!
“Apple’s Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard shames Microsoft’s Windows Vista”
DUH!
For a technical demonstration of exactly when Apple passed up Vista, please see http://www.virtualapple.org
i used an ibm 1620 in college; it didn’t have an operating system. guess what: it shamed vista.
“You know that thing where you pull the cord and it plays animal sounds?”
See ‘N Say! (http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/see-say.htm)
Also, the Flintstones Fun Fone puts Vista to shame.
Lol, no problem No Squirt For You, and He’s A Lemming… I used “1” as a shortcut for one. People use it all the time online and on Instant Messenger, I guess you wouldn’t know about that because Mac doesn’t get Windows Live Messenger, your stuck with what… an old version of MSN Messenger? Yeah, I wouldn’t Instant Message much either…. I guess you don’t go on the internet much either because it would involve using that mac of yours… I have 1 question for you He’s A Lemming… do you type with 1 finger? Or have you used a keyboard enough to move on up to 2… P.S. Cubert, I like your name, I too am a fan of SOAD.
@pigeon
“Hacking Mac is no challenge. it would take an hour to crack through this frail operating system.”
funny even when they run hacking competitions it takes a long long time and a lot of relaxed rules to crack a Mac
“People keep attempting to hack and create viruses for vista because thats where most the customers are (vs mac’s handful)”
even stranger fact is, the Mac had viruses, 5 years ago tho in os 9 and below, X seems to have gotten rid of them all and grown a larger marketshare to boot
“Hackers don’t even think its worth it to hack a mac, its like completing a 4 piece puzzle… just not as fun as a jigsaw because its no challenge.”
come now, the more you crow about it being so easy yet no one’s actually been able to do it properly in 5 years? something wrong there and it’s certainly you
“Apple is on a route to the end, so you guys should aim your attention on the ipod… because thats all this frail corporation has left…”
the iPhone is doing well for itself, the iPods are great and the Mac is still awesome
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@Chris:
The answer to your question is “no, they haven’t graduated from junior high”, because most of these trollers are in their junior high computer lab class NOW showing their ignorance and immaturity in this forum.
Pigeon — Shortcuts usually don’t work. All you need to do is look at the “shortcuts” that Microsoft tried to take with the development of Vista.
What did it get them?
Bad press. Disdain and sometimes outright hatred from Windows users. Shrinking market share. Vilification (go “online” to look that one up) from tech experts.
Meanwhile, what’s happening with Apple?
Glowing reviews. Growing user base. Home run (iPhone) after home run (Leopard). Record profits. Increasing tech-expert plaudits (again, look it up). The envy of companies everywhere.
So yaah, keep using those shortcuts and worrying about a rickety Microsoft messaging program that no self-respecting computer user over the age of 15 would be caught dead using.
There’s “1” for ya.
Windows Live? The messenger accompanying the website that requires you to allow yourself to see your own live-site? (It’s no joke, I have screenshots)
And there is no Adobe Premier Elements. If you can’t spell – no wonder you can’t use iMovie ’08….
Pigeon, didn’t you forget your first name…”Stool”? Your “security by obscurity” argument has been thoroughly debunked in numerous quarters in the Mac community, including here at MDN.
Poon Tang, Zune Tang, whatever; since it’s U.S. Open time: “You cannot be serious!” Apple copies NOTHING that comes out of Redmond. Redmond copies EVERYTHING that comes of Cupertino going back to the Stone Ages (i.e. the ’80s). M$ wouldn’t HAVE a company if it weren’t for Apple, so save it. Those of us here know the history.
Peace.
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Olmecmystic
Mac sales: less than 2 million a quarter
Windows PC sales: MILLIONS each quarter
Tell me how Macs are growing at three times as much as Windows?
Vista has a flat ass …a club foot …and that hair ..thin, wispy and an insult to the general esthetic, oh and a little piece of wow dragging behind its club foot by a dirty filament of cartilage. Leopard on the other hand is like beauty and function with big red lips and a Brazilian ass ..and best of all ..it doesn’t come with a bald-headed lunatic.
@Olmecmystic
Apple copies a LOT from the rest of the PC industry. I’ll give you some examples:
1) They started FINALLY using the better processors (Intel) starting in 2006. Guess which Microsoft OS ran on it first?
2) Fast User Switching. Made its debut with Windows XP. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
3) Time Machine. Made its debut with Windows Server 2003 as Volume Shadow Copy. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
4) Web browsers. Apple didn’t even HAVE a web browser in the 90s. They steal from open source projects (KHTML made Safari)
I could go on and on, but I know you Mac users don’t like the truth.
@vista pwns,
Sometimes its better to have people wonder if you are stupid than to open your mouth and leave no doubt.
The Macintosh market is growing at about 24-33% per year (depending on who you believe)…while the overall PC market is growing at 8-16% per year.
This means the Mac is growing 2-3 times faster than the overall PC market. In the long run (as seen in the last two years) this means marketshare increases for Apple.
It does not mean that more total number of Macs are being sold than total number of Windows systems…but if the growth rates are maintained for an indeterminate future it would mean that at some moment in that future more total number of Macs would indeed be sold than total number of Windows systems (granted tens of years from now).
Anyone who reads the above three paragraphs and disagrees with it…before you post to say so, remember what I said in the first paragraph….
@vista pwns,
Your other points (user switching, etc) are very valid and argumentatively correct.
As good as the article is, the best part is the last line:
“Yesterday’s arguments simply DO NOT APPLY.”
I’ve been saying this for some time now, and it’s great to see someone with an audience notice it as well. In fact, in response to some Paul Thurrott commentary on my own blog a month ago I said this:
“You know what, Paul? The days of writing off Apple supporters simply by claiming they’re ‘emotional’ (or should ‘relax,’ are ‘drinking the Kool Aid,’ are ‘in the RDF’ or are, in a derogatory term you used when debasing certain journalists, ‘Apple sycophants’) are over. At least, they are on this blog. That stuff won’t wash here.
You’re welcome to comment here anytime, but please bring something better than a thesaurus and 20-year old Apple vs. Microsoft “arguments” if you do.”
Full article is here.
@ infomercials
Percents are always misleading.
Example:
Mac sales increases from 1 million to 2 million. 200% Increase!!11!11
Windows PC sales increases from 25 million to 30 million. 83% increase!
It would take sales of FIFTY million, an increase of 25 million PCs to equal the percent of Apple’s increase, caused by only an increase of ONE million.
You bought into the “spin” of sales reports by the biased Crapple news sites.
Pirillo concludes that OSX is more user friendly than VIsta (Duh!), and then in order to demonstrate objectivity, makes a statement that, instead, demonstrates that his head is at least partially up his ass:
“Before you get your panties in a bunch, remember that I can’t stand iTunes – it’s an unwieldy way of managing media (even on OS X). Moreover, I don’t like the way iPhoto manages metadata; I dream of the day Picasa gets ported to the Mac.Not everything that Apple does is pure genius.”
ITunes is an unwieldy way to manage media? More unwieldy than stacking hundreds of CDs and DVDs in a huge shelf against your living room wall? More unwieldy than WIndows Media Center, which my friend who works at HP acknowleges as a “bust”. Please, the fact that their is no real competitor to ITunes is the proof in the pudding. And its not as if a competing media platform has been stymied by Apple by its employing Microsoft-style anti-competeitive tactics, and by buying out any good competition. The simple fact is that no one has been able to fashion a serious competitor to ITunes because no one has come up with a better design for storage and purchase of media.
Pirillo doesn’t like the way iPhoto stores metadata? Answer me this Chris “Dr. Mento the Intellectual” Pirillo: what the hell is metadata? Better yet, who the hell cares? As the average Apple user, all I can tell you is that iPhoto is an excellent, streamlined way to store, organize and share photos, and it’s only getting better. I know of nothing better.
Perhaps Pirillo is the “I really want to build my own computer and be able to make all sort of gearhead modifications to the OS” type user, I don’t know. Me, I just want the damn thing to work like clockwork after I turn it on.
I mean, how is this a surprise? 10.4 shames VIsta. What a silly article.
Of course, it will be interesting to see what you all think of 10.5. I’ve been using it for awhile and I find it pretty irritating, with the transparent menu bar, the crazy drop shadows on the windows, the ridiculous reflective dock…all this stuff just sucks up the CPUs on my machine.
Don’t flame me, it’s just my opinion. It should be interesting, regardless–both OS’s have a lot of “candy” graphics and I wonder if anyone’s gonna call them on it.
Apple copies a LOT from the rest of the PC industry. I’ll give you some examples:
1) They started FINALLY using the better processors (Intel) starting in 2006. Guess which Microsoft OS ran on it first?
Apple switched to Intel not because they are better but because they run cooler and that is pretty important when you make laptops. Just ask Microsoft about this with there XBox 360 which has a PowerPC chip and has at least a 30% failure rate.
2) Fast User Switching. Made its debut with Windows XP. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
Yes Apple did copy this and Steve Jobs even said they copied this during the first Panther demo but at least when Apple copies they make it better with the 3D cube effect that helps to let the user visualize what is happening.
3) Time Machine. Made its debut with Windows Server 2003 as Volume Shadow Copy. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
The only people who use this feature are Network Admins which I happen to be. Yes for us this is a good feature but do you seriously think that a normal user would ever use this. First, it’s hidden and secondly it’s not user friendly at all. Now with Time Machine everyone can do backups which has never been the case before.
As has been said before it not always what features you have but how you implement and interact with them. So basically the user interface matters and Apple puts Microsoft to shame in this area.
4) Web browsers. Apple didn’t even HAVE a web browser in the 90s. They steal from open source projects (KHTML made Safari)
I could go on and on, but I know you Mac users don’t like the truth.
4) Web browsers. Apple didn’t even HAVE a web browser in the 90s. They steal from open source projects (KHTML made Safari)
Um, the first web browser ever (Mosaic) was written on a Mac. No, it wasn’t written by Apple, but MS definitely wasn’t the first to join the web party.
I’m not sure what “KHTML made Safari” means – KHTML is not an entity. Safari is more than a rendering engine. Many products for both Mac OS and Windows use open-source software components.
It means Safari is based on KHTML, stolen from an open source project. Just like OSX is based on FreeBSD, stolen from them.
Every Crapple thing is stolen in some way. At least Microsoft buys the company and uses the tech in future projects.
Guys, don’t waste your time — he’s 14 years old.
@pigeon,
Sorry. My name has nothing to do with System of a Down.
Robert (Rob) + G4 Cube = Cubert
@vista pwns
1. actually the x86 platform was a total piece of crap that intel was forced to keep supporting and improving because so many POS clone builders kept selling it for dirt cheap
2. fast user switching was not invented by MS
3. Volume Shadow Copy is by all reports notoriously problematic and cannot be relied upon
4. Apple lisenced the technology for Safari (or bought it outright) as they have often done in the past. MS usually just rips off ideas and then sends their big-shot lawyers after the original creators.
5. Even my wife hates Vista. It may have inadvertently started converting her to Mac girl. She is a long-time AOL user (I know, I’ve tried to tell her, but you know some people just won’t listen), and she needed a new laptop. She just absolutely refused to try my Macs because they were “too different” from XP which she was constantly having problems with. I bought her an HP with Vista, and she’s getting more frustrated every day with it, while I just keep on being productive with my MacBook.
My wife is about as uninformed a computer user as you can find, and even she can see that the coat of paint on the Vista turd is a very thin one.
“It means Safari is based on KHTML, stolen from an open source project. Just like OSX is based on FreeBSD, stolen from them.
Every Crapple thing is stolen in some way. At least Microsoft buys the company and uses the tech in future projects.”
Actually Apple has stolen nothing that was open source. They licenced it through the GNU General Public License.
You have mentioned a few technologies that could be argued to have been inspired by Micro$oft and other companies. However these represent only a small fraction of the advances which exist in the Mac OS. If you want to see real stealing, look at Window’s XP which is almost a direct copy of Mac OS X only it’s all upside down and backwards (cause no one would ever guess that Luna looks an awful lot like aqua if it’s upside down).
@ vista pwns,
Again stupidity rules…percents are never misleading (as long as the numbers they are based of are factual):
Simple example for simple minds:
Year One
Units solds:
Windows: 95 (95% market share)
Macs: 5 (5% market share)
PC Industry: 100
Year Two
Industry grows by 30%
Units sold:
Windows: 122 (93.85% market share)
Macs: 8 (6.15% market share)
PC Industry: 130 (30% increase)
Wow, Windows sold 27 systems versus Macs’ 3! Apple’s market share HAS to be going down right? NO!!!
Because since the industry is growing, but Apple is grabing a bigger percentage of what it was previously grabing, its market share increases accordingly…keep this up ad infinitum and eventually (many many many years later, you end up catching and surpasing your target)
Why do people have such a hard time understanding this concept?
I can’t make it any simpler, if you don’t see it…you are the one buying some crazy ganja.
@ vista pwns,
By the way a 1 million to 2 million sales increase is a 100% sales increase not 200% (and 25 to 30 is a 20% increase not 83%) as you point out.
Like I said, you clearly do not grasp the point of percentages…
Seriously dude, if you actually received a paid education, you need to go back to school/college and demand a refund. Pronto!
Well it’s obvious that vista pwns can’t spell either. He must have intended to write Vista Pawns. Seems that would be a much more appropriate name for him.
Is it better to have a closed mind and an open mouth, or an open mind and a closed mouth?
You are displaying the former.
@vista pwns
How completely ignorant…
1) This was a decision based on availability and cost. PowerPC was more high end and limited availability. Intel was more mainstream and with lots of availability.
2) Unfamiliar with it
3) It actually started a few years before that with Go Back, who was bought by Symantec.
4) Neither did Microsoft until they BOUGHT one. The Mac always used Netscape Navigator, back then. Why would they need to have a web browser when Netscape was free? Microsoft only felt threatened by the internet and decided it wanted to OWN it. Therefore, they bought IE and pushed everyone else out of the market. Real novel…
I could go on, but I know how you Windows zealots can’t see the truth…
Vista stinks, Mac OS X and Linux put it to shame!
Re: bauerjb “The Lucy shames Vista!”
That’s: “I Love Lucy shames Vista!” to you.
Maybe you meant the Lisa?
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>>”Is there a better way to manage 300 widgets in Leopard (Dashboard Spaces? Dashboard folders?)”
You are addicted to widgets and need an intervention as soon as possible
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Vista Pwns:
Wow… You are a complete idiot! Not only is Microslop’s products completely inferior to the rest of the computing world, they’re so overbloated, it takes tons of people years to just dress up an existing operating system, giving it little to no substance as a net result. Linux improves at a break-neck pace. OS X is light years ahead of Vista or any other Microslop crapware. Microslop is dealing dressed up XP with just a tad more eye candy which now installs using a whopping 20GB of your hard drive space, slowing your machine down and forcing DRM down your throat while it’s at it. Now that’s progress!
Look around… Compiz Fusion makes Aero look silly. OS X Leopard knocks your socks off. Aero looks like a KDE ripoff with some real transparency thrown in, which has been available on Linux for quite sometime now. Microslop doesn’t innovate anything. They steal it, buy it, or run it out of the market.
When are folks going to get that ZT only makes one “post” of plainly ridiculous reasoning (intentionally, of course) and just sits back and watches the newbies get all riled up and try to counter-argue. But he’s gone, folks. Maybe lurking, but definately not interested in a discussion, because it’s fake. He’s clearly a Mac guy who goes by another name when he’s being himself, but just likes to have fun with emotionally sensitive types by poking them right in their common sense.
“I could go on and on, but I know you Mac users don’t like the truth.”
Yeah, and YOU . . . moron . . . don’t know the difference between “its” and “it’s”!
QUOTE: “Too bad Vista is going to overtake the complete Crapple market share tomorrow when NetApplications releases it’s new numbers.”
IT’S = IT IS. Or did you not learn that on the short bus? Idiot.
vista pwns – no it doesnt, havent heard a single review that says it’s good really except by people paid by MS.
1) They started FINALLY using the better processors (Intel) starting in 2006. Guess which Microsoft OS ran on it first?
-The CISC archetecture is inherently sucky but unfortunately IBM weren’t putting enough research into PowerPC for Apple and instead concentrating on their clients of Sony and Microsoft. Why do the PS3 and the Xbox 360 both use PowerPC based stuff if it sucks so much? If Intel had developed RISC to the level of CISC the processors would be twice the speed as they use half the number of instructions but because of windows being dependent on x86 for legacy code it wouldn’t be profitable. At the downfall of windows I predict we’ll see Intel developing RISC chips which OS X, Linux, and other UNIXes will compile on easily, and run like fire.
2) Fast User Switching. Made its debut with Windows XP. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
-MS copied too: “Analogous functionality was first developed on consumer level hardware by the Xenix operating system which supported multiple virtual consoles. Linux, BSD, and most other PC Unixes adopted virtual terminals and further developed the user interfaces, including allowing users to optionally run separate graphical X Window System sessions.” off wikipedia.
3) Time Machine. Made its debut with Windows Server 2003 as Volume Shadow Copy. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
rsync has been able to do time machine for years in OS X with the –link-dest argynebt to hard link files against another backup, just as Time Machine does.
4) Web browsers. Apple didn’t even HAVE a web browser in the 90s. They steal from open source projects (KHTML made Safari)
IE wasnt the first browser anyway. Also I think it’s safe to say that IE6 has really been the bane of the web as people have had to use all sorts of code hacks to make their standards-compliant websites work. KHTML was an existing open source GPL project while Apple can use providing they release the source and they do. Apple working with KHTML has led to the best web engine in terms of rendering in the world.
Apple copies a LOT from the rest of the PC industry. I’ll give you some examples:
1) They started FINALLY using the better processors (Intel) starting in 2006. Guess which Microsoft OS ran on it first?
PowerPCs has always preformed better than Intels when Intel was still developing the pentium. It’s just that now that Intel has become the better processor, that macs have followed. That argument is flawed.
Mac will always use the better processor.
2) Fast User Switching. Made its debut with Windows XP. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
Apple OS copied this from Linux. I’ve been using this with my first debian linux before xp came out. Really not sure what you’re on about.
3) Time Machine. Made its debut with Windows Server 2003 as Volume Shadow Copy. Guess which Apple OS copied it a few years later?
The difference between that and time machine, is that time machine works with consumers.
If Shadow copy is so great… why wasn’t that introduced in vista?
Real products!
4) Web browsers. Apple didn’t even HAVE a web browser in the 90s. They steal from open source projects (KHTML made Safari)
I could go on and on, but I know you Mac users don’t like the truth.
Yeh, so… it’s not about stealing ideas its about using what you have and making it better and usable. And in the same instance invent something that would benefit the synergy of applications.
I’ve played with vista for a few weeks and I’m back to 10.3.9…
Oh come on. People all over the world know that Vista is way better than OSX! Just look at the numbers…MS has sold 10’s of, of, of, well, 10’s of Dozens of copies now to end users! I am sure that once people see the new Apple version of OSX, the billion copies of Vista- still sitting in crates and stock piled, will start flying off the shelves…granted, it might be to make more room for OSX, but who’s counting anyway!
too bad for bill gates! http://www.myeclinic.com
The first versions of Internet Explorer were based on Mosaic, which was developed on the Mac.
Leopard doesn’t need to go to all the trouble of shaming Vista; Vista is quite capable of shaming itself. For example, the WGA debacle.
(Vista beta tester)
My abacus shames Vista.
i hate vista and i’m using it now.
im buying the 24inch imac tomorrow.
i need help with something though.
whats the actual difference between mac os x tiger and leopard?
should i wait for leopard?
because if so then i’ll wait until october.
I must say. Mac’s are simply the best. I am a New Zealander living in Asia and I have just bought my first mac, and WOW I am impressed. I just bought the MB061 to learn on . But wow I have had this machine a few days and I will never go back to another. the operating system is so good and easy to use. and the service at apple stores are amazing. we are buying another two for our home and office. I just sold my 7 month old HP pavilion because of so many problems with it, and also to get after service is impossible. They tell you to take it to where I bought it which was in another country and they lead me around for more than a month. So i got that pissed off with HP I sold It for a dollar and got a Macbook.
Cheers Apple…
One Very Happy Customer.
u know mac owns vista pwns (my f***ed up ass they do) so u can shut da f**k up and get ur’e ass back 2 mommy and let us mac users in peace cause uv’e run out of things 2 say ’bout wat mac copys but u know vista was a crap copy of panther and jaguar