“Apple could learn a thing or two about managing expectations,” Neil Cavuto opines for Fox News.
“The company announced its hotsy-totsy iPhone was going to revolutionize the world — bad when you start out using that word ‘revolutionize,’ by the way,” Cavuto writes. “That it would sell 10 million in the first year and half a million of those in the first couple of days —days!”
“Lo and behold, we’re told 146,000 iPhones were activated in the day and a half between the phone’s launch and the most recent quarter’s end,” Cavuto writes.
“Let me tell you something: Selling 146,000 items at a minimum of 500 bucks a pop ain’t shabby. In fact, it’s stunning. Never in corporate history, have so many electronic devices sold so quickly,” Cavuto writes.
Cavuto asks, “But then it didn’t meet that damn expectation, did it? It didn’t do what that overbearing braggart marketing department at Apple said it would do, did it?”
Cavuto writes, “Oh, if only these much smarter guys had talked to this admittedly not nearly so smart, anchor guy: Promise down, deliver up.”
Full article, under the title of “Common Sense,” no less here.
Neil Cavuto is “Managing Editor of Business News for FOX News Channel” which is akin to being “Chief Astrophysicist for The Weekly World News,” except that, unfortunately, Cavuto will probably still be employed next month.
First off, Cavuto did royally screw up and miraculously get one thing right: Apple CEO Steve Jobs did call the iPhone “revolutionary.” Jobs did so because it is, but you shouldn’t expect Cavuto to be able to recognize it so soon – he’ll probably be able to grasp it in about five years. Call us crazy, but we’ll take Steve Jobs’ crystal ball on technology over Neil Cavuto’s.
So, what did Cavuto get wrong? Only everything else:
• Apple never announced they “would sell 10 million in the first year.” Apple CEO Steve Jobs said in his Macworld Expo 2007 keynote address that Apple would set the goal of selling 10 million iPhone units in 2008, the first full year on the market. (Macworld Expo 2007 iPhone Introduction: Jobs’ remarks on iPhone goals begin at 1:15:52 into the QuickTime video – by the way, Neil, that’s called a “source.”) On July 25, 2007, during Apple’s conference call discussing Q3 – 2007 financial results, Apple CFO Peter Oppenheimer reiterated Apple’s goal of selling 10 million iPhone units in 2008. (Apple’s Q3 07 Apple Quarterly Results Call: Oppenheimer’s remarks on iPhone goals begin at 6:05 into the QuickTime audio stream – by the way, Neil, that’s called “fact checking.”)
• Apple never announced that they would sell “half a million [iPhones] in the first couple of days.”
• Since there were no such expectations issued by “that overbearing braggart marketing department at Apple,” iPhone didn’t miss any “damn expectations” other than some wildly overreaching ones set by Wall Street analysts who may or may not have stood to benefit if Apple “failed” to meet their ginned up, ridiculous, unachievable numbers. Hint: Wall Street analysts are the ones about whom you’re actually complaining, Neil. Some free advice: An overbearing TV anchor’s totally misplaced criticism doled out under the title of “Common Sense” should be a skit on Saturday Night Live, not Fox News Channel – unless FNC’s looking for lighter fare.
• Yes, AT&T stated that 146,000 iPhones were activated in the day and a half, but Cavuto immediately mistakes “activations” for “sales.” Apple did not sell “146,000 items at a minimum of 500 bucks a pop,” they sold 270,000. Even less “shabby,” huh, Neil? (Source: Apple Inc. Q3 2007 Unaudited Summary Data issued along with the Q3 07 earnings results press release.) It’s not that confusing, Neil, but you did admit in your full piece that you were “an awful student,” which we actually believe – even though you said it.
• Apple has set just two iPhone goals: 1 million iPhone units sold by the end of the company’s Q4 07 quarter ending September 29, 2007 and 10 million iPhone units sold in 2008. We shall see if they hit those goals.
Neil, check your facts before you pontificate, lest you look the fool. It’s just “common sense.”
Contact info:
Neil Cavuto: cavuto@foxnews.com
Not like Cavuto. Sounds as though somebody wanted to do a cocky, superior-than-thou piece today.
Standard Fox News yellow journalism – feces galore.
Beautiful dissection as usual, MDN.
Damn, and I like (liked) the guy
“…Chief Astrophysicist for The Weekly World News…”
Really did laugh out loud at that one!
Agreed, Inaccurate.
He usually shows better judgement than this.
I bet he will respond to responsible emails.
MW:peace
Coulda been worse, we could have had Bill O’Reilly declare Apple.com a “hate site” and issued a fatwa against using any Apple products. Billo can do this because he is so much superior to the rest of us in terms of morality and rational, measured discourse.
Just ask Andrea Mackris.
I wish MDN would stop attacking people who criticise Apple with regards to the iPhone. I think some criticism is good, and valid, with the iPhone.
For instance, the device only being 2.5G (GSM + GPRS/EDGE) is a valid criticism. Most other developed countries in the world are moving to 3.5G (UMTS + HSDPA) with GSM being a ‘fallback’ for International Interoperability – Japan (for example) only has 3G, with Australia fast going the same way (as with most of Asia, with Europe following the same path). The tag-line continually thrown out by Apple (COO Tim Cook) that:
“Our thinking was first and foremost that we wanted GSM because GSM was the world standard and that was one of the factors in the selection of Cingular. Secondly, the product as we announced it has wireless capabilities. Many people, like in this room, have access to WiFi, including this room, home, where you have coffee. Between this spots we are going to use 2.5G because it’s widely deployed. We’re confident that it will give the user a great experience.”
This may be a valid model for US, but it certainly is not a valid model outside the US as most Telco’s are moving on from 2.5G Networks to 3G/3.5G.
The statement quoted above … ” … revolutionize the world …” is a valid criticism … Apple may have a slickest UI device, but it will be the slowest device in the World without 3G/3.5G.
I guess I am trying to say that some criticism is good … as the device is clearly lacking for the International stage. Correct the cellular connectivity shortcomings, and the iPhone will be the “revolutionize the world”.
MDN Word: Truth … as it is hard to hear sometimes, but necessary.
I don’t understand how he confused activations with unit sales, especially when AT&T announced one and Apple announced the other.
I guess it’s like Microsoft harping on how many copies of Vista they’ve shipped instead of talking about how many have actually sold…
Both instances are focused on the wrong part of the equation.
@AJ
The tag line “thrown out” by Tim Cook, pretty much sums it up, , for the USA market, where it has been released!, I am sure we will see other, for other market.
Your remark has nothing to do with the article, he doesn’t have his fact straight, as MDN stated
Fox News.
Enough said.
So I watched his short bit on Apple tonight and truth be told, it didn’t come off half as bad as everyone here makes it. He mentioned the 270,000 sales and the activations. MDN needs to fill in just a little bit more of the quotes next time. I agree the iPhone is revolutionary guys, and Apple’s sales prove it.
Interesting to see Towertone’s response.
Now I know how he informs himself.
Fox News is nothing but Pravda.
If you can’t see that, then welcome to your future, comrade.
Just like Pravda, replacing any critical insight and analysis with fluff pieces designed to prop up a corrupt government.
Who’d have thought the US would become the next totalitarian state? And even more surprisingly, how the people would so quickly accept it.
Home of the brave? Home of the dimwits.
As the saying goes: people get the governments they deserve.
I’m pretty sure that the 270,000 didnt include sales from the online store either. Just over the counter sales…AND they dont include the sunday. Just 6pm-closing on Friday and Saterday…only one retail outlet was open 24/7 and that was the flagship in NY.
AND they virtually sold out in every store. in 30 hours of trading…i’d say more than ‘stunning’. Moreover, Apple didn’t promise anything except delivering a great product, which clearly they have sold that idea effectively…times about 270,000.
Z
@scoodog
What you said.
THE ONLY TRUTH THIS REVEALS IS ANYTHING RELATED TO APPLE IS MORE INTERESTING AND DRIVES MORE VIEWER INTEREST THAN ANYTHING CURRENTLY BEING MARKETED
the first 30 years were just the beginning
AMEN
Towertone, why don’t you answer, like you used to?
We used to write for hours, late into the night.
I could really use someone to talk to right now.
Towertone?
Are you there Towertone?
I need you.
Towertone, if you”re out there, it’s me, Frank.
It’s so dark in here.
Towertone, despite our differences, you were the only one who ever listened to me.
I sure could use someone to listen to me now.
Where are you Towertone?
I need someone to talk to.
This is what I posted to Neil at FOX.
Hey Neil:
I can’t help but to read your article entitled “Some Free Advice for Apple,” on how inaccurate it really is. Your fact checking, well let’s say its failing. We don’t want to set your expectations too high do you we?! However what can we expect from a substandard news organization such as FOX to really get the truth right.
For a company, or a person that has a track record for revolutionizing anything in history well they might be an authority on what it takes to revolutionize the next big thing. For Steve Jobs to state that the iPhone will “Revolutionize” the mobile phone industry isn’t a slight understatement or a marketing term used exaggeratedly. “Revolutionize” was stated by a matter of fact. You failed to see the “BIG PICTURE” what “Revolutionize” means.
First let me give you first hand experience of the process of owning an iPhone. On June 29th at 6p.m. the iPhone went on sale to more than 1800 corporate owned AT&T stores across the country having anywhere between 50 to 80 iPhones per store. It was also sold at at a lot lower number of Apple stores. Somewhere around 160 plus stores in the United States. When it went on sale it took the AT&T stores 30 to 45 minutes to process each sale whereas at the Apple Stores sold each iPhone on average of 60 seconds per customer. Apple isn’t a telecommunication company but in my book 60 seconds vs. 30 minutes sounds like the first step to revolutionizing a simple process. Take note car dealerships.
The second step was the porting, signing up for the first time or merging your current AT&T number over to the new iPhone. When you brought your iPhone home you hooked it up to iTunes and iTunes walked you through the process of getting your phone activated. It took me 6 minutes to port my number from TMobile. Six minutes! Sounds like another revolutionizing step. I have never in the history of purchasing a cell phone where it was that easy. Especially porting a number flawlessly from another carrier.
Third and really pretty incredible step. It syncs all my contacts, calendars, email, settings without me needing to input any additional information on the phone itself. It did this automatically. This took seconds. Pretty revolutionizing considering no mobile phone I have ever owned ever could sync properly without having to really tweak it, or use some third rate software that didn’t really work seamlessly with your productivity suite on the desktop.
Forth and the most obvious is its multi-touch technology. It works extremely well. Not even the Q is as thin or have such a large display. Yet again Revolutionizing.
Fifth Its the best media device, It works with the best jukebox in the world effortlessly, iTunes. Point, click, sync and you can be watching videocasts, listening to music, or watching movies with the ease of touch. Revolutionizing.
Sixth – first to have an actual web browser. Why did this take so long? Must be Revolutionizing if it took a non-cell company to do it.
Seventh is visual voicemail, just like email. WOW what a time saver. Revolutionizing. Are you getting it NEIL?
As far as the rest of your article its totally off. Apple nor AT&T ever said they would sell 1 million in the first 30 hours of sale. Although there were 146,000 activations during that first 30 hours, 270,000 iPhones were sold within the first 30 hours. This is pretty remarkable isn’t it because no electronic devise ever sold that many units with the first 30 hours. As I recall the Ninetindo WII was originally called Revolution and with supply still limited even after 8 months the Wii still couldn’t match the amount of units sold to Apple’s in the first 30 hours of sale of the iPhone. And the Wii is Revolutionizing.
So again NEIL pay attention and get your facts straight. Apple indicated that they will reach 1 million units sold by the end of September and their goal of 10 million by the end of 2008. You might want wait and see.
Let me give you some free advise Neil, Apple doesn’t play anything down. That might be a Dell type of company but Apple Innovates, The leaders follow Apple.
Neil an F is still an F in my book.
Neo
@NEO
loved your letter, but I think you blew your credibility in the 1st paragraph
” However what can we expect from a substandard news organization such as FOX to really get the truth right. “
talk about putting someone on the offensive
Some people say the cup’s half empty.
You say the cup’s 3.4% empty.
Onoes! not 3.4%!!!
MW: Century as in
Best Phone of the century. Already. The next 93 Years of phones will suck compared to the iPhone.
Cavuto’s a tool. There’s a reason why SJ doesn’t give him interviews.
-jcr
Cavuto’s a tool. There’s a reason why SJ doesn’t give him interviews.
-jcr
Cavuto’s a tool. There’s a reason why SJ doesn’t give him interviews.
-jcr
Cavuto’s a tool. There’s a reason why SJ doesn’t give him interviews.
-jcr
Neo,
You blew it. You said he claimed they’d sell 1 million in the first few days. He said a half million.
First rule of slapping a journalist down for not getting their facts striaght.
GET YOURS STRAIGHT!
Sheesh.
And what’s with the user review. That’s been done out the wazoo. Your point gets lost in all the extraneious noise.
Just nail him for getting his facts wrong, and get out.
FSJ
FSJ:
What are you talking about? I didn’t say that!
Put your glasses on and READ IT!
Mary? Granny?
See? Even MDN begins to realize that Faux “News” Info Tainment (TM) is bullcrap!
Cavuto is proud of GW, too.
“Keepin’ us safe…fighten’ ’em over there, so we don’t have to fight ’em over here”.
Hee-HAW!
@ AJ
“I wish MDN would stop attacking people who criticise Apple with regards to the iPhone. I think some criticism is good, and valid, with the iPhone.”
If you read the MDN take, you will notice they are mostly attacking Cavuto’s lack of fact checking regarding sales goals and actual sales.
I suppose if he had said that the iPhone Runs on 2 AA batteries and runs windows 3.1 then that would have been OK with you then.
Fair and Balanced…
sure thing… we speak to all sides… don’t have to treat ’em equally, though.
Don’t have to question inaccuracies in sides we like… and can easily diminish the statements of those we don’t like…
and the funny thing… if we continue to call it:
Fair and Balanced…
Those without the eyes to see, will never see it…
MW: “fact” …it is a fact… tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth…
Does anyone actually, seriously, listen to what this guy, Cavuto, says? He’s a lightweight who tries to put on that Fox uniform (smug tone, “I know more than the subjects of my story”) but it’s a bit too big for him, and he comes off looking like a little boy fool. I can only imagine him on the same stage as Steve Jobs… a foolish tool and a genius. They’re not even in the same stratosphere, so who gives a damn what Cavuto, in his shallow shortsightedness “opines.” He’d be stuttering as Jobs outclassed him on virtually any subject, esp. concerning marketing, vision and innovation. I love that word, “opine,” (seriously kidding here, folks) as it so reminds me of O’Reilly and his blathering diarrhea of the mouth. Anyway, I’m done “opine”-ing…
Wasn’t Cavuto the moron who used the recent abortive bombing campaign here in the UK as an argument against state-provided medical care.
The logic went something like…
State-funded healthcare can’t pay as well as private healthcare (general practitioners in the UK are earning £100K/pa, so I don’t know what Neil considers a fair wage).
therefore
State-funded healthcare often has to get its medical professionals from outside the national system (you could equally argue that the privatisation of higher education prevents people from following their vocation, but what the hell?).
therefore
Given the number of well-trained medical professionals coming out of the Middle East through to South-East Asia and the bureaucracy of state-provided medical systems, it was inevitable that terrorists would use the cover provided by such systems for their nefarious activities.
and finally
Nothing like this ever happened in a private healthcare system.
So there you have it, Neil Cavuto – business genius and anti-terror expert.
Promise down, deliver up.
Advice on under-promising and over-delivering.
From the station that acts as the mouthpiece of the Laurel and Hardy Presidency.
No, really.
Neo… you are not “The One”.
Learn the difference between “advise” and “advice”. And, really, while it is okay; “revolutionizing” is very klunky…, try “revolutionary”.
Macs are expensive and not worth even half the value. You can buy a Windows notebook for a third of the price of a MacBook Pro and get twice the value. Apple lemmings getting ripped off are a normal occurrence.
> half a million of those in the first couple of days
Since there is exact no definition of the “first couple of days” (is that 2 days or 5 days?), Apple probably did sell half a million iPhones in the “first couple of days.” It sold 270,000 in the first 1.25 days, which is not even “a couple” of days.
“I wish MDN would stop attacking people who criticise Apple with regards to the iPhone. I think some criticism is good, and valid, with the iPhone.”
Not their style. Anyone who brings up any criticism of any Apple product is obviously a troll or a paid Microsoft FUD spreader….
Note to MDN. Cavuto has forgotten more about investing since he got up this morning than you will ever know. Fox is indeed Fair and Balanced, a difficult concept for those of you who just want to hear all Left wing, all the time MSNBC and CNN…..
This is great. After the Reagan quote and Rush Limbaugh link, I was beginning to thing this was a politically biased Mac site.
Fox News is no different than Air America … just a difference of opinion. The are a conservative Republican mouthpiece and everyone knows it … but at least Air America doesn’t attempt to deceive their audience into believing they’re anything but opinion.
Fair and Balanced? It’s literally like they decided to spit in the face of the public and knowingly and willfully misrepresented themselves in the interest of advertising dollars.
All of them are disgruntled has-beens. O’Reilly was on Inside Edition, John Gibson was a bush league staffer who once worked under Kieth Olbermann. Greta (who I still kind of like) sold her soul with a couple hundred K of plastic surgery. Colmes is a weak token, and Brit Hume was a network anchor who’s career took a dive in the 90’s.
The whole thing is just a sinister mess driven by the insolent logic of a nightmare. It stinks.
And I’ve liked Cavuto in the past … but I now that I know he’s a PC user, and anti-Apple … well, it all fits into a neat little bundle of contempt for the whole lot of them.
Excellent analysis MDN, and thank you for being truly “fair and balanced” when it comes to Apple
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@NEO:
Actually, yes, you did say it: “Apple nor AT&T ever said they would sell 1 million in the first 30 hours of sale.” — this implies that Cavuto had stated the 1 million figure.
Also, the tone of your letter was extremely aggressive and condescending. Quite likely, Mr. Cavuto didn’t read past the first couple paragraphs. Would have been much better to have simply pointed out the mistakes he made, then made your points in a mature, calm tone.
I have to say, you really did us Mac users a disservice, making us look bad. Note to Neil if you should read this: we’re not all like that, honest!
Faux News… we get that here in Oz…
I can get it on my cable system…
However…
I have my remote set to stun if I ever try to switch to it.
As a side note, I dated a woman once whose roommate (a flight attendant with Continental who is the sister of Crocodile Dundee’s sweetie) dated Bil O’Really (pun intented – that is what she called him)- when he was the host of Current Affair. She met him on a flight to Newark NJ. She was not too complimentary of him or his prowess – if you get my drift. So, I am sure he is overcompensating like King Farkward! Heeh…
MDN – lenght – somehting like what O’Really lacks…
“Cavuto has forgotten more about investing since he got up this morning than you will ever know.”
Bullshit. He’s a talking head (and an empty suit), not an investor. The average new hire at any wall street bank knows more than Cavuto does by the end of his orientation.
-jcr
frigtard
“…Chief Astrophysicist for The Weekly World News…”
Give me a break
Fox news is not fair and balanced. They just tell you what you want to hear.
I highly object to the politicization of issues such as this one. Whether the FUD is spewed by CNBC or Fox makes no difference. It seems that too many threads get hijacked by those trying to score partisan political points. This merely poisons the threads with useless posturing.
The fact is that journalists are largely a class of whores who are routinely manipulated by their bosses, sources and the need to be popular. And if you doubt that analysts and pundits are corrupt, just read:
“New study shows analysts getting favors”
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_6480750?nclick_check=1
I like Fox News Channel.
Your potential. Our passion.™
shoeman: Note to MDN. Cavuto has forgotten more about investing since he got up this morning than you will ever know. Fox is indeed Fair and Balanced, a difficult concept for those of you who just want to hear all Left wing, all the time MSNBC and CNN…
bravo! i give this a 9/10.
Since when did Americans start treating their news sources like they treat their political parties? In most of the rest of the democratic world the news is just the news … it’s not something you have to try to discredit depending on which channel it is on.
@marko:
“Fair and Balanced…
sure thing… we speak to all sides… don’t have to treat ’em equally, though. “
That’s better than “only interview one side (the left one) and then make up whatever the hell you want about the other and call it fact”. Which is what every single other mass media news organization in the United States does.
@ @Shoeman
“Fox news is not fair and balanced. They just tell you what you want to hear.”
And every other mass media news organization tells you what THEY want you to hear.
holy crap – did mdn just b*tchslap a fellow wingnut? i guess mac loyalty really does trump politics!
bravo!
You are a dip shit.
Neil Cavuto is very intelligent. I have always enjoyed his show. He gives real meaningful heartfelt advice and truly has a sense of right and wrong. His common sense section is one of the best couple of minutes on television.
Fox news is awesome. It’s too bad they didn’t get it right this time. They are fair and balanced. When is the last time you heard the other side (not left wing) on MSNBC or CNN or NBC or CBS or New York Slimes or Washingington Compost or etc., etc., etc. Fox does give the libs a fair chance to voice their opinions all of the time. You moveon types just can’t stand to hear the Republican and independent view points that are covered on Fox.
MDN-MW : “hell”
How every third story on MDN turns into a political bitchslap festival.
Don’t like Fox News? Don’t watch Fox News. There, wasn’t that easy?
Christ, I really AM starting to believe I bought into a cult. I’m starting to think I ought to genuflect in front of the thing instead of using it as a computer.
So he got a few facts wrong. What else should one expect from Fox News? Actually, now that MDN has got its clutches on them, make that Outfoxed News.
And one more thing: I’m not going to contact Cavuto or visit the Fox News web site, because I think these hit stories are posted to draw viewers and web hits. That is a game I’m not going to play.
“Keepin’ us unsafe… creatin’ ’em over there, so we most certainly will have to fight ’em over here”.
Thanks, GWB!
Kim Komando is spewing the same incorrect info on her “digital minute” that she puts out on the radio.
i think all of MDN should stand up and support mike for his comments. the conservatives have been in charge for a long time now, and pretty much everything they have ever said or supported has been proven wrong, so to to admit that you are conservative after that takes a lot gut… err courag….. stupidit…..
look, it is hard for a guy like that to stand up what with being bent over so far to get his head in his ass like that….
@chris
Sorry if I was harsh. Emails are not very personal. Emotions are often taken by the extreme.
However my point regarding the Apple or AT&T numbers I clearly indicated that Apple nor AT&T stated any number. I could of said 10, 1 million or 1 Billion it doesn’t matter. Apple nor AT&T didn’t say it. That’s the point.
Mike = complete idiot
Wow Berylllum,
You’re so smart. How did you ever figure out that Fox plants these stories to get hits and viewers????? You’re truly amazing. Maybe the next Sherlock Holmes. Wow. Dirtbag!
you two have no clue how the world works. are you guys just using one sheet of toilet paper? maybe you should go and hang out with a few terrorists and see how reasonable they are. you are misdirecting your hate at the people who are protecting you. you two and friends are complete fools. if they get nukes and nuke europe or elsewhere what then. are they still your friend? is it still George Bush’s fault? who will you blame then? certainly not the terrorists. you pussies.
Considering Fox “News” self-appointed role in our country’s media, I’m not surprised at an attack piece against Apple. Ask yourself – who stands to gain if people take Cavuto seriously? Could it be…Verizon…Sprint…T-Mobile…Micro$oft!
Gasp! They wouldn’t do that, would they? After all, they’re the “fair and balaneced” ™ network!
I’m just curious. Name a couple of things that can be proven (backed up with irrefutable proof) to prove Republicans wrong. I’d love to see the nonsense and hate mongering you libs come up with.
I love it, just mention Fox news and the loony libs lose it. Losers! At least there’s one place still left to go for equal coverage of the issues. And ther’es nothing self appointed. It’s the highest rated news source aholes.
how dare mdn sully the good name of neil cavuto! he is a TRUE american hero! and he works for fox news – america’s ONLY real news network, chosen by GOD himself to preach the TRUTH about america’s boundless benevolence! anyone who gets their “news” from anyone other than cavuto, hannity, hume, o’reilly and wallace is a traitorious, satan worshipping communist!
for shame, mdn. for shame!
Macdailynews.com: Where Mac news comes first…
Macdailypoliticalleftistnews.com: Where Mac news is made lefwing-political at every opportunity to attack conservatives…
Beryllium said: “And one more thing: I’m not going to contact Cavuto or visit the Fox News web site, because I think these hit stories are posted to draw viewers and web hits. That is a game I’m not going to play.”
Ever occur to you bud, especially the way MDN wrote the story, that MDN is the one trying to get webhits?
I’ve noticed when MDN chooses to go on their political diatribes against conservatives they get a ton of feedback like none of their other posts ever receives.
I wonder, does MDN receive its funding from dailykos.com? Certainly it’s got to be at the top of their bookmarks bar.
Admittedly, MDN is my top Mac-news source. But I am seriously rethinking that choice. If I want to hear crappy slanted virtuolic political hack-attacks I can watch fox talk shows or CNN/MSNBC hourly.
If I want to catch Mac news, I guess I can go to appleinsider.com, macrumors.com…etc etc etc.
See ya on the downside…
@Mike:
I really, really, wish you hadn’t just started something that can only end badly in a couple of more pages.
Craigster
here’s a small sampling:
~Tillman cover-up~Terri Schiavo~GOP holding votes open~Last throes comment~ Mission accomplished (100 dead at the time)~Medicare reform Bill~ Medicare not allowed to broker prices for prescription drugs~Drownie~We don’t torture, we send detainees to other countries to not be tortured~Democrats are muzzled on all legislation~Lobbying is well out of control~Jack Abramoff~Tom DeLay~Diebold~Ohio elections~Katherine Harris~Journalists targeted in Iraq~Oil not paying for the war~Not being treated as liberators~Patrick McHenry claiming we hate America (Schiavo case)~Ethics committee gutted~FDA will approve anything (except emergency birth control)~Attack on Social Security~ No child left behind is not paid for~Refusing aid after Katrina~Red Cross not allowed to assist after Katrina~ Cutting aid to NYPD and FDNY that are affected form the cleanup effort when they were told that the air was safe to breathe~Tax cuts to those that don’t trickle it down~3 Trillion Dollars more in debt~No help in NOLA until Bush arrived (then it stopped again when he left)~Abu Ghraib~Gitmo~Italian reporter shot up~Bolton recess appointment~Buying the Iraqi press~Wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera~No water or electricity in Iraq~Jessica Lynch~Soldiers serving well after their agreed enlistment time~President only speaks to cherry-picked audiences~Plame Outing~Scooter Libby~Spy in Cheney’s office~Jean Schmidt~Wage stagnation~Halliburton in New Orleans and Iraq~ Money printed in Iraq~NO WMD~Yellow Cake~Rove~No victory gauge~No armor for soldiers either Iraqi or American~Outsourcing the building of Marine 1 Helicopters~Fighter jets sold to Pakistan by W…on a Saturday~No accuracy in unemployment rate reporting~ Hedge funds aren’t regulated~No war strategy~Downing Street Memos~Borrowing from the communists~$330,000 a month to Chalabi~Bush housing Saudis~Where’s UBL~Flew UBL’s family out of the country after he bombed us~No border security~Gas prices~Home heating prices higher than ever in history~IRS auditing churches~Price of war way underestimated~Bayoil~Pre-war intel was/is fixed~Environmental laws absolutely gutted~Redistricting to rig elections~Patriot Act~Civil rights eroded/gutted~GOP votes against EVERY inquiry of wrong-doing~9/11 commission ignored completely~Programs for the neediest gutted~Education budged harshly slashed~Every document is classified~Most secretive president ever~Curveball~Blaming Tenet for the “slam dunk” comment and then awarding Medal of Freedom~Elderly deaths went way up during the Social Security Savagery~Dems can’t add amendments to legislation~Over 60% of elections won by less than 4%~Sensenbrenner walked off with the gavel during Patriot Act hearing~Tax cuts to ship jobs away~Soldiers getting Purple Heart collections~Veterans benefits cut~No exception for soldiers in the Bankruptcy Reform Bill~Internet threatened with regulation~Still ignoring NOLA~Creating immigration laws that take affect in 5 years~Corruption is the norm~No timetable for when the debt will be paid~ Dollar is losing value~Haven’t defined what is/isn’t torture for all to hear~Trade agreements are not even close to fair~Ports left unprotected~Definition of a terrorist is ever so vague~How many soldiers in an Iraqi Batallion?~Max Cleland was treated like a piece of shit~Why were helicopters used to find the people, trying to escape the rising waters, pounding on their roofs from inside their attics?~5 deferments~Nuclear option~Ethics committee couldn’t get Cunningham 2 years after it was known that his house was sold to a defense contractor for $700,000 over it’s value as he lived on that contractor’s yacht~20% tax on land phone lines~12% on cell towers~Home by Christmas~Establishing a democracy and not a Republic?~War profiteering~Health care~Armstrong Williams~Caspian Sea pipeline~If it’s a Reform Bill or Deregulation Bill the result is never better quality or more affordability~Cheney said he was glued to the TV all week like everyone else~Christian values never reflected in legislation~Jeff Gannon~Nobody accountable for anything~Loaded SCOTUS~No mistakes come to mind~Niger~Haley Barbour told us FEMA was there on Tuesday~Math is spun (math don’t lie)~Government is largest in over 200 years~Looking under a desk for WMD’s~Non-combative protestors arrested~Opium export in Afghanistan up 2000%~Global warming ignored~Hans Blix~Pakistan earthquake money~George H W Bush runs Pharma~Bill Bennett~Joe Wilson~Indian Casino lobbying for how much?~We aren’t safer~SCOTUS chose our President~Carnival cruise line contract after Katrina~Able Danger~Ken Lay~Harken Energy~Blatant over-charges in Iraq and NOLA~Bird Flu vaccine for only 20 million people
Keith (oops),
You’re new here. It’s obvious.
What do you expect? And his parent company wanted to buy the Wall Street Journal.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Judge Bork: Keith (oops), You’re new here. It’s obvious.
seriously. this is the first MDN headline i can remember which goes out of its way to pick on something on the right of the american political landscape.
i congratulate MDN guy for being an equal opportunity raving mad Mac zealot.
@NEO:
Again, I will quote you.
Actually, yes, you did say it: “Apple nor AT&T ever said they would sell 1 million in the first 30 hours of sale.” — this implies that Cavuto had stated the 1 million figure.
Again, this sentence, if you parse it correctly, implies that Cavuto stated the 1 million figure, which he did not. I understand your point, but you clearly don’t understand how to read your own sentence. You state a 1 million figure and refute it. I know that YOU are not saying the 1 million figure, but you are implying that Cavuto said teh one million figure, which he did not. This really isn’t difficult to understand.
And, email or not, your email to Cavuto was very rude and unnecessary. You could have made your points in a non-passive-aggressive (and just plain aggressive) way. It was uncalled for and makes the rest of us look bad. Please think twice before writing such a heated response in the future.
“Fox News” while I don’t doubt it is news of a sort, it is certainly not fair and balanced. It has it’s agenda and it shamelessly spews that out under the cover of news in all of it’s branches.
Another Murdoch organization that has bashed the iPhone and Apple is the New York Post. They take pot shots at Apple all the time or look to paint it in a bad light as well. It’s sad that yellow journalism is still around this long. Sad that the government allowed one company to run both tv and print news together. And saddest still people believe their crap.
Let’s get a few things right, folks.
1) Neil Cavuto screwed up this time. This means precisely one thing — he is wrong. It doesn’t mean that everyone who has liked him in the past will suddenly hate him from here on out. This doesn’t mean that everything else he says is wrong. It doesn’t mean that everyone else has suddenly changed their political orientation because of it.
Slow down, think, and then think again before you post. Do you realize just how moronic many of these posts make you look, guys? You sound like a bunch of 7-year olds throwing rocks.
2) MDN pointing out the facts doesn’t mean that they have instead switched their political foundations. Do you flip your political worldview based on someone on your side screwing up? Do you believe in people or in positions?
3) Neil Cavuto is not Fox News. He’s one guy. This is a point which I can’t emphasize enough, because it shows you exactly why some people just can’t think. The extrapolation from “one guy acting uncharacteristically stupidly” to “Fox News wants to murder American GIs” (or some other such overheated rhetoric) is simply and sadly typical. Again, slow down, think, and then think again.
4) Can we focus on the issue at hand here for just one minute? The point is that the guy’s statements are wrong. Furthermore, they are uncharacteristic for him. So what are you going to do about it? Whine? Wow, that’s impressive. Why don’t you do something about it if you care that much?
Ah, that’s right. You can only whine here where you feel powerful. You can’t (or won’t) do anything because you are weak, anonymous cowards.
I’m with Linux Guy And Mac Prodigal Son. Is Cavuto the first pundit to get his facts wrong when talking about Apple? Why does this iPhone/Apple story have to descend into really ugly political hysteria? Keep to the topic or stay over at the Daily Koz.
As usual Fox does a fluff piece just like alot of the political misinformation out there from both CNN and Fox. So I blame all of us for even watching them. We get caught up with the Anna’s and Paris’s and the other skinny one, and one simple report about the iphone which we all know rocks, and we get into a hissy. If FOX news was in grade school, the teachers would rip them for lack of research.
I grade FOX an F!!!
Sticking with the present regime, lapping up their lies, accepting their refusal to use verified, accurate data to make decisions and continually allowing them to work against the will of the people is like the Stockholm Syndrome so many Windows users suffer from. I keep hearing that I should unconditionally support these morons and if I question or research alternatives I’m unpatriotic. It’s like fawning over Gates and Ballmer when they’ve sold us a lemon.
So this little Texas turn impressed dad’s golf buddies by getting rid of Saddam. Now what?
‘turn’ should be ‘turd’. Texas turd.
Oh, and the iPhone is really cool.
WOW !!!
It seems the voting is in. FOX Noise has been identified as an “Enemy of the People” ! But there were several comments suggesting that FN is merely the Right’s answer to the many sources of Left-biased “news” in the US. That may be the view from the Right, but it is hardly the view from the Left. My view is maybe a 6 (of 10) on a Right/Left scale (leaning a little Left) yet I feel most of the news groups are maybe a 4 on that scale. (reacting to criticism, y’know) With all the cranks on the Right whining about the imbalance, you’d think the networks were at a 7 or 8 !
On Topic: Given the number of factual errors in this report, I’d say it is hardly worth 1/10th the “ink” we’ve already devoted to it. “Consider the source” would have been enough for me.
DLMeyer – the Voice of G.L.Horton’s Stage Page pod cast – now commenting on the 2007 ICWP Retreat
The truth is, all news channels suck.
Ever see those 2 “anchors” on CNN, T.J Holmes & Tony Harris?
What a fscking joke.
MSNBC isn’t as bad, anchor-wise (I like Chris Matthews, and even though I’m on the opposite side of the isle, mostly; I think that Pat Buchanan is excellent).
But Fox is not news, and if you seriously believe they are “Fair and Balanced”, you’re not too bright.
Even with all of these posts from the left and right, can we still all agree that Fox got it wrong this time about the iPhone? Geeez!
Neil, meet your new asshole, ripped courtesy of MDN.
Well, this thread is certainly par for the course.
Can anybody direct me to a good Mac news/discussion site without the adolescent slop?
Stupid libs will jump on any chance to spew FUD about Fox News. Yes, Cavuto was dead wrong, but be honest, you wouldn’t be up in arms over it if he worked for CBS News would you? Of course not you hypocrites.
Stupid conservs will jump on any chance to spew FUD about CNN. Yes, Cavuto was dead wrong, but be honest, you wouldn’t be up in arms over it if he worked for Fox News would you? Of course not you hypocrites.
What does Al Gore’s son have to do with this.
That is ALWAYS wrong (leave the kids out of it).
That’s bi-partisan! It was wrong for the press to ever even MENTION Bush’s daughter’s problems, when they did.
Besides, there’s enough to report about dope-smokin’, draft- dodgin’ (This is the way HE speaks), coke-snortin’, grade C average, cheer-leadin’, GW!
REPORTER: Mr. President, music is one of our largest exports the country has. Currently, every country in the world — except China, Iran, North Korea, Rwanda and the United States — pay a statutory royalty to the performing artists for radio and television air play. Would your administration consider changing our laws to align it with the rest of the world?
DUBYA: Help. Maybe you’ve never had a President say this — I have, like, no earthly idea what you’re talking about. Sounds like we’re keeping interesting company, you know? Look, I’ll give you the old classic. Contact my office, will you? I really don’t — I’m totally out of my lane. I like listening to country music, if that helps.
— Nashville, Tennessee, Jul. 19, 2007
REPORTER: You spoke very soberly and seriously in your statement about how you weighed different legal questions in coming to your decision on that commutation. But one issue that you did not address was the issue of the morality of your most senior advisors leaking the name of a confidential intelligence operator. Now that the case is over — it’s not something you’ve ever spoken to — can you say whether you’re at all disappointed in the behavior of those senior advisors? And have you communicated that disappointment to them in any way?
DUBYA: Michael, I — first of all, the Scooter Libby decision was, I thought, a fair and balanced decision.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
I meant to say that my statement was bi-partisan.
At least Cavuto lives to his own standards of “promise down, deliver up”: he promises a moron and delivers a mere idiot.
It’s Fox News, what did you all expect. Fair and Balanced.
Fox News is rated number 1. What does that mean you slimey libs?? Tell us how that could be.
Much worse than anything Bush’s daughter did. You libs are SCUM!!!!!!!!!!! TERRORISTS!!!!!!!
Christie,
Microsoft Vista is rated number one! What does that mean you slimy mac-fanatics?? Tell us how that could be.
See how stupid your argument is now? And it’s not just libs that hate Fox News– a great many moderates look at them as the “Taco Bell” of journalism as well, and many of us fear the fate of the Wall Street Journal.
A side note to Snazz: reading your post made me think of Billy Joel’s “We Didn’t Star the Fire”, in how the lyrics ran together with a series of political events. LOL. Maybe he should do an update of the song for Bush.
And all the comments about CBS News being a leftist news organization…. WTF??? Do you even watch CBS News?!
Yes, yes, Cavuto got it wrong, Fox News is the equivalent to Goebbel’s machine and GWB is Satan incarnate. Thank God we’ve got the Democrats to save our souls. How pure their light shines…
I wonder if any of you liberal nutsacks have ever honestly taken a good look at the left wing bias spewed on a daily basis by CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Time, Newsweek, the entertainment industry, and every single major University.
But you have a shit fit because FOX news is not completely liberal. They actually give voice to people other than Castro lovers (but they also DO give voice to the liberal side).
Oh, and then there’s conservative talk radio. You hate that so much that your Democrat politicians are willing to throw free speech right out the window and regulate it under the highly dubious guise of a so-called “fairness doctrine”.
What a load of insecure, moronic, intellectual fascists. I hate you to your very core. When you die and wake up in hell, you’re going to be ass raped for eternity by every single muslim that ever darkened this planet.
@ Oops
That’s gonna be a lot of sore butts.
MDW MW: french – How apropos…
Oops: I wonder if any of you liberal nutsacks have ever honestly taken a good look at the left wing bias spewed on a daily basis by CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Time, Newsweek, the entertainment industry, and every single major University.
wow … just, wow.
please explain how universities (every single one of them, no less) are a mouthpiece for the left. I’ll accept personal anecdotes from your time in university (every single one, or just a few, your choice).
there’s a 10 point bonus if you can argue that truth has a well known liberal bias.
Uh, Mike, small detail; he said “every single major University…”, not, every single University. Evidently, he’s of the opinion there are plenty of minor players in the higher education game that are insulated from the elitist leftist mind-think that seems to grip the faculties of our collective alma matters.
My experience disagrees but hey what do I know?
Please forgive my hair trigger t key. That’s “alma maters”.
@Mike K.
Here are three links to get you started. I’d provide more, but I know you’re incapable of learning.
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3514.html
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1809
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/04/11/liberal_bias_in_the_ivory_tower/
One of the main problems with liberal nutsacks is that they never see liberal bias where it exists – even when it is painfully obvious. It’s a well known fact (among thinking people) that Universities are overwhelmingly liberal, yet liberals just don’t see it. To them, Castro loving is perfectly normal and middle of the road. Hence, why they are liberals.
Rot in hell, all liberals. Your cries of anguish will be music to all of those aborted children whose blood is on YOUR hands.
@Oops:
Definition of Fascism:
an authoritarian and nationalistic ]right-wing system of government and social organization. • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
Boy, you may not like liberals, but at least you should learn the meaning of words you use to criticize them.
quoting mike k.: please explain how …
quoting Oops: link, link, link
let’s try this again: why don’t you, Oops, in your own words, give me the reasons why you, Oops feel institutions whose main function is to educate and train in critical thinking have become biased towards views which you, Oops, oppose?
10 points to me for closing all my tags!
/bring back preview
” I watched his short bit on Apple tonight and truth be told, it didn’t come off half as bad as everyone here makes it. He mentioned the 270,000 sales and the activations. MDN needs to fill in just a little bit more of the quotes next time. I agree the iPhone is revolutionary guys, and Apple’s sales prove it.”
They changed the article…I read the original. He said just what MDN said. They do not mention the error at all.
@Mac Nugget:
Before you presume to “correct” me, you should probably work on your reading comprehension. I didn’t write “fascism”. I wrote “intellectual fascism”. It’s a different term with a different meaning.
Not quite the smackdown you had hope for, eh, hotshot?
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@ mike k.
No, you can just deal with my original response as is. Don’t like it? You’re always welcome to kiss my ass. And, uh, don’t pretend to be smart. It doesn’t suit you at all.
Right on Oops! You hit the nail square on the middle of the head. Liberals are the people who were wedgied mercilessly growing up. Freakshows. They make no sense whatsoever.
A bigger waste of time than watching FOX news is reading you dips arguments about it here !
Fox News is absolutely fair and balanced. Just looks skewed next to the main stream communist news.
Oops: Intellectual fascism?
Having the intellect of a fascist?, or perhaps stooping so low in having the intellect of a fascist? For example like an extreme right wing intellect? Sorry but that would be closer to your political ideological spectrum, not that of a liberal. The term fascist is so commonly misused now and days that I cant really blame you.
The problem with your wording is that fascism dose not relate, not even intellectually to the left, you can rationalize anything, like how you are headed for heaven while the liberals rot in hell, but this dose not change the fact of your miss use of the term fascism, even by pining intellectual right in front of it.
Your use of this term is almost akin to stating that Rush Limbaugh is intellectually “Red”.
You see George and Dick are fascist, just like Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussolini and Francisco Franco. But how could I expect you to know that Hitler was actually in the extreme right of the political divide, just like all the neo-Nazis and skinheads and even our beloved Kukluxclan.
Another way of putting a new definition on fascism would be to state that when the rich can dictate what the army generals do, then you got your self a healthy fascist regime. Or did you think Hitler came to power through support of the poor. Like Vladimir Lenin or Mao Tse-Tung did. No it was the opposite. Guess how Franco, another great fascist General, came to power; by kicking commies out of Spain. Now you see how your term just doesn’t quite work against liberals. But keep on rationalizing… This way you will not only looks stupid, you actually will keep it up.
“…Now you see how your term just doesn’t quite work against liberals. But keep on rationalizing… This way you will not only looks stupid, you actually will keep it up.”
I agree. Oops is VERY entertaining.
Makes my case MUCH better than I could.
Speaking of dipshits,
I’ve said this before. I understand that this is an ugly war. It’s a war in which an enemy will kill innocent men, women and children in order to achieve a political objective.
— G.W. White House, Jul. 12, 2007
What else, Oops?
MacNugget
This is a tired argument. The difference between liberals and conservatives or Democrats and Republicans does not equal the difference between Fascism and Communism. Those two didn’t get along because they BOTH wanted to rule their countries through authoritarian power with a centralized governament and without respect for human life, religion, or race. Much like gangs.
You can draw parralles between leaders all day long, that does not make them the same type of leader. JFK was much closer to the present day Republican Party than what the Democrats have morphed into. But then again, the Republicans gained much of their power in the late 70’s from people who left the left because they no longer felt the Democrats represented them.
A basic lesson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
I just e-mailed Mr. Cavuto this, in light of his commentary still being incorrect:
Neil,
I see that you (or another editor) made some minor correction (the 270,000 number) to your commentary about how Apple should manage expectations. Unfortunately, you still left in the (rather childish) line about their braggart marketing department, and worse the complete fabrication that they claimed they would sell 10 million iPhones in the first year and half a million in the first couple days.
Neil, neither Apple’s marketing department nor any of their executives ever, ever made a public prediction about the number they hoped to sell, OTHER THAN to state that they hoped to reach 10 million sales by the end of 2008.
Apple officially states that it hopes to sell 10 million iPhones in the first year-and-a-half.
And Apple never mentioned any number relating to how many iPhones they would sell in the first couple days.
Thus, there was no “overbearing, braggart marketing department” statement that was overblown or incorrect.
And this fact, Mr. Cavuto, invalidates the entire point of your article. It’s your article, I’m certainly nobody to tell you what to do with it, but your commentary is completely meaningless in light of the facts – and someone at your organization should have checked those facts.
Thank you for listening,
Christopher Letzelter
Pittsburgh, PA
MacNugget,
You’re talking out of your ass and you seem retarded. You don’t need to define the term “intellectual fascism”. The definition already exists, and your “definitions” were all wrong and all pretty damn stupid. I didn’t make the word up.
So again, before you presume to “correct” me, you really ought to know what you’re talking about. Now, I realize you really want to come out on top, here, but that’s not going to happen.
You lost. Deal with it!
Nice letter Christopher. I hate liberals!
I lost? I lost what exactly? If anything my time.
Liberals = something I scrape off my shoe.
Ha!!!! Take that libs! You’ve been served AGAIN!!
@TowerTone-
This is one relevant excerpt of your link.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
“Franklin D. Roosevelt, president of the United States from 1933 to 1945, described fascism in his 1942 “Message from the President of the United States Transmitting Recommendations Relative to the Strengthening and Enforcement of Anti-trust Laws” as follows:
The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism–ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”
If this is not distancing it self from the left, I don’t know what is.
George Bush is awesome. We’re going to miss him once this term is up!
LAAAAME
LAAAAAAAAAAME
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