Multiple MacDailyNews readers, along with ourselves, have been notified that our Apple 17-inch MacBook Pro orders are now being shipped.
According to our MacDailyNews order and several MDN readers’ orders, the 17-inch MacBook Pro units left Shanghai, China at 8:16 PM on May 6th. For those who opted for expedited shipping, tracking indicates May 10th as the date of delivery in U.S. buyers’ hands.
This shaves two days off Apple’s original estimated shipping date of the 12th, which was indicated at the time of our order made back in late April and which Apple changed just this morning via email.
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Thanks for all your helpful tips and insights, guys. I guess whatever MDN posts must be the gospel truth, because they said it was so. It’s good and comforting to know that MDN rigorously abides by the same ethics of “news reporting” and standards of “journalism” that they demand from everyone else.
maczealot:
Does a newspaper provide a link for every quote it uses? No. It is assumed that the newspaper is run by good journalists who don’t lie about their attributions. If they say that John Doe said “X” then we assume it is true. If it is not true, shame on the newspaper. And if the newspaper continues to do that, then people will stop believing the newspaper. But until MDN lies enough to kill their credibility, you ought to give them the benefit of the doubt.
For the record, MDN did attribute their source. It was an e-mail. And e-mail from Apple. That’s all a good journalist has to do. Links are just for convenience but not a requirement. MDN uses links for other items becuase they are taken from actual internet postings. They can’t link to an e-mail.
And as for China, you’re absolutely right that there are human rights violations there. However, if you are going to boycott Apple over that stuff, you might as well boycott tons of other computer, toy, and [insert product here] manufcaturer. Plenty of global business is done with China. It’s inescapable. Plus, if everyone boycotted China, they would never get the economic means to fix themselves. The poorest countries are the ones with the most violence and violations. Poverty leads to desperation which leads to oppression and power struggle.
Peter:
I guess MDN must be the only people in the world caring to “report” when they will be receiving their own precious Commie MacBook’s. This is what MDN considers important information for the world to consider, digest, and contemplate? This is “news” how? Do we get to read next week when MDN expects to obtain tampons and kitty litter, too? I can hardly wait.
And let’s not have the MDN Grammar Police go after me. Yes, there are some grammatical errors in my post. But since MDN does not have an editing feature, I can’t fix the mistakes. There are seriously some people around this forum that make a huge deal over nothing. Typing errors are a fact of life. Don’t flame people over that. The whole point of Internet forums (fora for you people who like Latin) is the laid-back atmosphere. Stop being so uptight.
maczealot, MDN would use any trick or idea to come up with a story to get more hits.
I imagine half the negative comments to you are from MDN under different names to get you to respond so more people will come back to see your reply.
But then you could be MDN just trolling us all to come back and see what you wrote!
standardmess:
It is reasonable to expect some minimal standards of validating or verifying truth and accuracy in “reporting” information. I suppose that if MDN mentioned another independent source in their post that could corroborate what MDN “reported” then I wouldn’t have much to criticize. It would then be my responsibility to consult the source for verification of authenticity.
If we blithely accept all words disseminated by persons purporting to be “journalists” as “news” I think that this will diminish the accepted definition of professional journalism. It would be a disservice to a free and intelligent society to equate gossip, hearsay, rumor, chit-chat, and yackety-yak as real news.
It seems that MDN wants to wear the golden crown of journalistic legitimacy as PBS and the Washington Post, but MDN doesn’t want to adhere to the same professional standards of news reporting as PBS and the Washington Post. If MDN wants to lower their standards to the National Enquirer, World Weekly News, and other supermarket tabloids, that’s their choice, but MDN shouldn’t expect a great deal of respect and admiration. Especially, when MDN takes the “holier than thou” attitude and disparage other people for their journalistic biases, errors, and chauvinism.
I’m yacking off. That’s Danish for I’m so excited I could ****.
Is that Swedish for yummy?
Nah. It is Danish for I ordered a Dell.
maczealot, I’m with you! Apple should get out of China. That’ll leave Japan and Korea as the only computer manufacturers. Close down Wal-Mart! EV-erything in THAT store is made in China.
Let’s get REAL sources! Someone reading their own email can’t be trusted. I want my news from Dvorak’s trusted gut!
And let’s have REAL news! Apple deliverying 2 days early isn’t news. 2 days late is!
MW: head, as in time to head to
Conspir A Sea:
Read my comments or not, yer choice. Don’t presume that I have the power to influence your behavior with words. Rather your visitations to MDN indicate that you are intrinsically intrigued or curious by some subject or topic that you find appealing, controversial, or emotive.
One thing I want to clarify in my post. Nokia hired INDEPENDANT ethics consultants. These consultants then gave their report to Nokia. Whether Nokia made a serious effort to ACT on the report is not clear.
http://www.filmforum.org/films/decent.html
Same link, but note that there is a video clip you can download. It’s a wmv.
“And as for China, you’re absolutely right that there are human rights violations there. However, if you are going to boycott Apple over that stuff, you might as well boycott tons of other computer, toy, and [insert product here] manufcaturer”
*** Sad, but true. I do not believe you can buy one single piece of consumer electronics (and other things as you have noted) that does not have some, if not all foreign parts/build. In fact, it is actually hard to find things that are totally made domestically at all. No, I am not a xenophobe and no I do not have all the answers.
<i>”And let’s not have the MDN Grammar Police go after me. Yes, there are some grammatical errors in my post. But since MDN does not have an editing feature, I can’t fix the mistakes. There are seriously some people around this forum that make a huge deal over nothing. Typing errors are a fact of life. Don’t flame people over that.”<i>
**** I couldn’t agree more on that one. To the spelling and grammar police all I have to say is:
THIS
^^^ INDEPENDENT – I’ll police that one myself
Peter:
I forgot to submit the following comment in response to yer earlier retort. Sorry, I got side tracked. I don’t want ya to feel ignored, OK?
“MDN doesn’t need a link or a second source. They are the source…”
Well, maybe you know that whatever MDN posts (or any other “journalist publishes”) is always wholly true and accurate, and absolutely beyond question, skepticism, or criticism. I don’t.
They have a word to describe people like you, “gullible”.
Hey Maczealot, did somebody pee in your soup today? This is a computer news site, fer cryin’ out loud. One with attitude.
Save your PBS and Washington Post golden crown of journalistic legitimacy rants for PBS and the Washington Post. They have lots more to answer for than whether or not a MBP arrives on the 10th or the 12th.
<i>professional journalism<> and <i>a free and intelligent society<> are at risk because MDN let’s you know when their MBP is arriving? Better not read political blogs, you’ll be hunkered down in an underground shelter with Depends on.
macasshole,
FYI: I just received my shipping notification and tracking number from Apple this AM. They have shipped my 17-inch MBP from Shanghai and it is scheduled to arrive Wednesday.
MDN’s report exactly mirrors the email I have received, so GFY.
maczealot,
I suppose MDN mentioned that the MBP was shipped from Shanghai, China today for two reasons:
1. Because it was shipped from Shanghai and says so on the order and tracking.
2. To explain why “expedited shipping” will take four days (China to the U.S.)
Think Different, indeed: you may the only one in the universe that believes that this report is a grand conspiracy invented by MDN to fake everyone out and get them waiting for the MBPs to show up Wednesday. What do you want a screenshot of MDN’s email from Apple, so you can claim it’s a Photoshopped fake?
FYI: Apple sent me an email this morning regarding my 17-inch MacBook Pro order:
MBPRO 17/2.16 CTO
Shipped: MAY 06, 2006
Estimated Delivered By: MAY 10, 2006
MDN MW: “party” (and that’s no lie – Wednesday will be 17″ MBP party time!)
Wow! Apple is bringing free enterprise to Communist China.
Way to go Steve.
Chinese workers in the high tech assembly plants are upper middle class, not slaves. You don’t need $60,000 a year to live the good life in China.
I guess American unions are screwing themselves out of more jobs than just those in the Auto and Steel industries.
Union workers in America do less work for more money than anywhere else on the planet. Productivity and quality are taking a beating in American union shops as well.
Job one for American unions is to sign more members and protect union jobs. It should be to make a quality product and share in the profits.
If American unions don’t change their ways, globalization will kill them off.
Was there a topic here?
This is by far the best thread I have seen in recent years. I want to thank all of the participants. It’s funny though, business is always just business. Whether it’s the 1st century or the 30th century, the fastest and cheapest labor always wins out. I am a carpenter by trade (white) and a lot of my co-workers complain about all the mexicans and/or illigealls that are spreading through our trade out west here (Arizona). They complain because they don’t work as hard as they use to and these guys kick some real ass out on a concrete slab. This is just how business works. The faster you are the larger amount of money you will earn. Jay leno use to take comedy gigs for half the price other people wanted, what happened you ask?, he got the gig, other people got pissed and now he is worth over a billion in dollars. China isn’t going to change their human rights positions anytime soon, probably never. Besides, it isn’t the government of China’s problem, it’s the people’s problem and it’s their power, or lack there of that will one day change it. Until then it is perfectly leagal for US company’s to give contracts to these manufacturing company’s. And don’t give me the “It’s not right” line, business isn’t about being right, it’s about making money. So for me, I say thank you China, you have allowed me to make alot of money. Hopefully your countrymen won’t figure out that there are atleast a billion that could overthrow your government, that would lead our US economy into a tailspin……And I don’t know about you, but I like driving on 5 lane highways.
i agree with mike. yay for 17″ macbook pros!
i don’t know if it’s the same in every mac forum, but this one almost ALWAYS gets into politics.
why is that?
mw: second, as in “the second someone mentions another country, it becomes all about politics”
hmmmm, basically,
almost every piece of clothing and electronics in someones home is made in China. Its not the ideal situation, but what can anyone ‘practically’ do about ? You can’t save the world, but you can save a few people. What then ? Adopt a chinese foster child ? Modern society and its benefits are built upon the suffering of others, blame mankind, not Apple. Apple is in business to make money, and money is the root of all evil, its and infinite loop. Let’s just have fun, love Apple, and do the best we can to help others.
Now I have to throw away my fridge and microwave oven.
Yeah, you guessed: made in China.
Hawww, better than my neighbor though, his Honda car is manufactured in Southern China. I see him now trying hard to push it into large disposable bin.
Man, General Motors is already shipping to North America a number of V-6 engines, produced with its partner, Shanghai Automotive.
If you have got a V-6 recently, check the manufacturer: you might not be driving All-American.
Peace
Hell, most people here could not even find China on a map, let alone have any knowledge of the type of government they have or know the difference between dictatorial Communism and a representative type government with a free press and basic rights for its citizens.
Most people here would rather have their products cheap and made with slave labor than have to pay more so that the workers would have a decent wage, working conditions and benefits.
In America ignorance is a disease of epidemic proportions.