Multiple MacDailyNews readers, along with ourselves, have been notified that our Apple 17-inch MacBook Pro orders are now being shipped.
According to our MacDailyNews order and several MDN readers’ orders, the 17-inch MacBook Pro units left Shanghai, China at 8:16 PM on May 6th. For those who opted for expedited shipping, tracking indicates May 10th as the date of delivery in U.S. buyers’ hands.
This shaves two days off Apple’s original estimated shipping date of the 12th, which was indicated at the time of our order made back in late April and which Apple changed just this morning via email.
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What? No link? The information from this post must have been obtained from a sooper seekret mole within Apple.
maczealot,
What are you talking about? Read the article. MDN obviously have a 17″ MBP order themselves and are tracking it and reporting it from first hand knowledge (along with several other MDN readers).
I got my notification
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I can’t wait to get my hands on it!!!
MDN is getting a new Mactel so it can run Windows!!!!
The Apple MacBook Pro made by the fine craftsmen of People’s Republic of China Prison Industries, Inc. If you are laid off here, citizens, unlike Microsoft, it is permanent termination.
Thanks Apple, I feel so much better knowing that my purchases fund a repressive government. I hope that all Apple products come with labels indicating the country of origin so that potential customers will be aware of Apple’s business connections.
meatofmoose (and anybody else),
Any large company that does business all over the world will be global in its scope of operations. Expecting everything to be made domestically with a product like a computer is being naive.
Mr. Oblivious:
No conspicuous links to the original source were evident to me, just a bunch of adverts. An article without a reference is practically valueless. Either MDN neglected to post the link either to forgetfulness or intent, or is just guessing.
Do you always accept what is fed to you without confirmation?
maczealot, read it again:
“According to our MacDailyNews order and several MDN readers’ orders, the 17-inch MacBook Pro units left Shanghai, China at 8:16 PM on May 6th.”
Here´s the key to it:
“According to our MacDailyNews order…”
nsapap:
A lame excuse for making money at the expense of social freedom, Simon Legree. What are the words that describe a person who benefits from the political and economic enslavement of others for material gain, but wants to exercise all civil liberties himself without inhibition? Oh, yeah, blatant hypocrite, selfish scum, callous bastard.
I’m sure that Apple scoured the entire planet for a location to manufacturer their laptops, and the only place that met Apple’s rigorous standards of social egalitarianism, environmental friendliness, and political inclusion was…..Communist China.
Congratulations, Comrade Industrialist Jobs, your future and continual success is secure with us. Have you seen our new model worker number 194223? Requires only 1,100 kcal per day and works 12 hours a day, no holidays, no vacation time.
Forget it, Apple. I don’t need a MacBook Pro.
Apple could have chosen other nations as sites for business partners such as India, Korea, Poland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Costa Rica, Uruguay, and South Africa. Each of these countries have far better social freedoms than the People’s Republic of China and deserve the benefits of economic growth more than the People’s Republic of China.
Got the word today … that puppy is scheduled for delivery on Wednesday the 10th.
Ohhh boy … ohhhhh boy
maczealot: criminally retarded.
And where do you think all those cute Disney (in which Steve Jobs is #1 single shareholder) plush dolls are made sold in all Disney stores and parks around the world? Commie China.
Wonder if Steve has ever been to commie China?
We Chinese exploit the worker to use the money to buy all your oil and make weapons so we can one day invade Taiwan!
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I wish companies would move production out of China to other countries.
And there needs to be a revolution by the people in China to overthrow the Communist dictatorship. How can we help start it?
Chinese have steadily become more free over the last 20-30 years, at least in economic terms. There is a serious argument that an increasing middle class is the key to the eventual democratization of China. Trade with China, such purchasing computers from them, is absolutely key to developing this middle class. On the other hand, there should be limits–Google and Yahoo assisting Communist China in enforcing censorship and punishing dissidents is over the line, way over.
Jake
After the Olympics in China the country will start to collapse.
Well, it´s already starting to implode from all the massive corruption in the dictatorial government, but mark 2008, 2009, 2010 on your calendars – viva la revolution!!!
Doctor (?):
After all those years of schooling, education, reading, and discussion with yer peers that’s all that you can up with for a pseudo-intelligent response. Please, try again. I’m anxious to read more what yer cognitively-challenged mind can dredge up from the recesses of yer limited vocabulary and diminutive powers of reasoning.
By the way, doc, in what advanced field of study did you obtain yer doctoral degree?
I suppose one way to change the world is to sit behind your computer and make complete off topic posts in a place such as this. Thank you for taking some of your very valuable time away from saving the world, to do so.
But what? No links? I’m supposed to just “BELIEVE” you?
Now, back on topic…
This website needs more ads.
Especially in the body of the text.
VonRocK:
If mention of Shanghai was not important to the topic of the MacBook Pro delivery date, then why was it included? Hmmm.
Another thing, I don’t care what you think regarding “off topic” posts, especially those dealing with the lack of social freedom and Apple’s intimate participation, cooperation, and collusion with countries that limit social freedom. In fact, here’s some more off topic stuff fer you to get yer little panties in a bind, hope you like it:
Actual excerpts from Apple’s Pages thesaurus function:
Criminal = Expedient
Slave = Permanent worker
Censorship = Choice
Repression = Education
Freedom = (no matches found)
VonRock:
Here ya go. Take all the time you need to read the material below, that is, if you don’t live in a country where these access to these sites are prohibited. But, you already know that, right?
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/08/02/china4187.htm
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=97785929
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/2004/12/chinese_crackdo.php
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engASA170691996
http://www.persecutionblog.com/2006/04/chinese_repress.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/18/AR2006011801875.html
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13133
Reading Less suns:
MDN slams Phillip Swann for using himself as a “resource” for a “news report” (see link below), and rightly so, but you apparently think that is just great that MDN can quote itself as a resource for information that cannot otherwise be confirmed from the original post.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/9450/
Has there been a recent pandemic of short-term memory loss?
I saw a program on PBS where Nokia (one of the world’s largets cell phone manufactuers), hired an “Ethics Consultant” to travel to China and see exactly what the conditions where in their suppliers factories – not good. Working conditions were unsafe, workers were making approximately 25 cents an hour (or less), hazardous materials right out in the open and not stored correctly. The thing that really got me was that workers in a lot of these factories LIVE in company “dorms”. And guess what? – THEY PAY RENT. So they get paid 25 cents an hour and then have to pay their employer back half their wages in rent – the company store catch the coal mine owners used in the U.S. in the 1800’s-early 1900’s. One room in the dorms housed 8 women and was saller than my bedroom – with NO hot water. The company cafeteria consisted of a garbage can filled with some kind of soup. They did have a place to sit down and eat this rot though. When they questioned the supervisors in depth on some issues they became real nervous to say the least. When they requested to interview one worker IN PRIVATE with no supervisor around it was a MAJOR ordeal. They finally succeded, and the young woman explained some of what she deals with on a day to day basis, but seemed aprehensive. It was conscience pricking to say the least.
http://www.filmforum.org/films/decent.html
maczealot,
Reporting a fact from first hand knowledge is quite basic. MDN doesn’t need a link or a second source. They are the source…
Aw, forget it, why bother? You’re a moron.
maczealot, if you are saying that you don´t believe MDN actually ordered a MacBook Pro, well I can go along with that logic. MDN seems to use any method to secure its point in a story….or make up a story. They need a weekend story to generate ad hits to pay for the computer!
Thanks for all your helpful tips and insights, guys. I guess whatever MDN posts must be the gospel truth, because they said it was so. It’s good and comforting to know that MDN rigorously abides by the same ethics of “news reporting” and standards of “journalism” that they demand from everyone else.
maczealot:
Does a newspaper provide a link for every quote it uses? No. It is assumed that the newspaper is run by good journalists who don’t lie about their attributions. If they say that John Doe said “X” then we assume it is true. If it is not true, shame on the newspaper. And if the newspaper continues to do that, then people will stop believing the newspaper. But until MDN lies enough to kill their credibility, you ought to give them the benefit of the doubt.
For the record, MDN did attribute their source. It was an e-mail. And e-mail from Apple. That’s all a good journalist has to do. Links are just for convenience but not a requirement. MDN uses links for other items becuase they are taken from actual internet postings. They can’t link to an e-mail.
And as for China, you’re absolutely right that there are human rights violations there. However, if you are going to boycott Apple over that stuff, you might as well boycott tons of other computer, toy, and [insert product here] manufcaturer. Plenty of global business is done with China. It’s inescapable. Plus, if everyone boycotted China, they would never get the economic means to fix themselves. The poorest countries are the ones with the most violence and violations. Poverty leads to desperation which leads to oppression and power struggle.
Peter:
I guess MDN must be the only people in the world caring to “report” when they will be receiving their own precious Commie MacBook’s. This is what MDN considers important information for the world to consider, digest, and contemplate? This is “news” how? Do we get to read next week when MDN expects to obtain tampons and kitty litter, too? I can hardly wait.
And let’s not have the MDN Grammar Police go after me. Yes, there are some grammatical errors in my post. But since MDN does not have an editing feature, I can’t fix the mistakes. There are seriously some people around this forum that make a huge deal over nothing. Typing errors are a fact of life. Don’t flame people over that. The whole point of Internet forums (fora for you people who like Latin) is the laid-back atmosphere. Stop being so uptight.
maczealot, MDN would use any trick or idea to come up with a story to get more hits.
I imagine half the negative comments to you are from MDN under different names to get you to respond so more people will come back to see your reply.
But then you could be MDN just trolling us all to come back and see what you wrote!
standardmess:
It is reasonable to expect some minimal standards of validating or verifying truth and accuracy in “reporting” information. I suppose that if MDN mentioned another independent source in their post that could corroborate what MDN “reported” then I wouldn’t have much to criticize. It would then be my responsibility to consult the source for verification of authenticity.
If we blithely accept all words disseminated by persons purporting to be “journalists” as “news” I think that this will diminish the accepted definition of professional journalism. It would be a disservice to a free and intelligent society to equate gossip, hearsay, rumor, chit-chat, and yackety-yak as real news.
It seems that MDN wants to wear the golden crown of journalistic legitimacy as PBS and the Washington Post, but MDN doesn’t want to adhere to the same professional standards of news reporting as PBS and the Washington Post. If MDN wants to lower their standards to the National Enquirer, World Weekly News, and other supermarket tabloids, that’s their choice, but MDN shouldn’t expect a great deal of respect and admiration. Especially, when MDN takes the “holier than thou” attitude and disparage other people for their journalistic biases, errors, and chauvinism.
I’m yacking off. That’s Danish for I’m so excited I could ****.
Is that Swedish for yummy?
Nah. It is Danish for I ordered a Dell.
maczealot, I’m with you! Apple should get out of China. That’ll leave Japan and Korea as the only computer manufacturers. Close down Wal-Mart! EV-erything in THAT store is made in China.
Let’s get REAL sources! Someone reading their own email can’t be trusted. I want my news from Dvorak’s trusted gut!
And let’s have REAL news! Apple deliverying 2 days early isn’t news. 2 days late is!
MW: head, as in time to head to
Conspir A Sea:
Read my comments or not, yer choice. Don’t presume that I have the power to influence your behavior with words. Rather your visitations to MDN indicate that you are intrinsically intrigued or curious by some subject or topic that you find appealing, controversial, or emotive.
One thing I want to clarify in my post. Nokia hired INDEPENDANT ethics consultants. These consultants then gave their report to Nokia. Whether Nokia made a serious effort to ACT on the report is not clear.
http://www.filmforum.org/films/decent.html
Same link, but note that there is a video clip you can download. It’s a wmv.
“And as for China, you’re absolutely right that there are human rights violations there. However, if you are going to boycott Apple over that stuff, you might as well boycott tons of other computer, toy, and [insert product here] manufcaturer”
*** Sad, but true. I do not believe you can buy one single piece of consumer electronics (and other things as you have noted) that does not have some, if not all foreign parts/build. In fact, it is actually hard to find things that are totally made domestically at all. No, I am not a xenophobe and no I do not have all the answers.
<i>”And let’s not have the MDN Grammar Police go after me. Yes, there are some grammatical errors in my post. But since MDN does not have an editing feature, I can’t fix the mistakes. There are seriously some people around this forum that make a huge deal over nothing. Typing errors are a fact of life. Don’t flame people over that.”<i>
**** I couldn’t agree more on that one. To the spelling and grammar police all I have to say is:
THIS
^^^ INDEPENDENT – I’ll police that one myself
Peter:
I forgot to submit the following comment in response to yer earlier retort. Sorry, I got side tracked. I don’t want ya to feel ignored, OK?
“MDN doesn’t need a link or a second source. They are the source…”
Well, maybe you know that whatever MDN posts (or any other “journalist publishes”) is always wholly true and accurate, and absolutely beyond question, skepticism, or criticism. I don’t.
They have a word to describe people like you, “gullible”.
Hey Maczealot, did somebody pee in your soup today? This is a computer news site, fer cryin’ out loud. One with attitude.
Save your PBS and Washington Post golden crown of journalistic legitimacy rants for PBS and the Washington Post. They have lots more to answer for than whether or not a MBP arrives on the 10th or the 12th.
<i>professional journalism<> and <i>a free and intelligent society<> are at risk because MDN let’s you know when their MBP is arriving? Better not read political blogs, you’ll be hunkered down in an underground shelter with Depends on.
macasshole,
FYI: I just received my shipping notification and tracking number from Apple this AM. They have shipped my 17-inch MBP from Shanghai and it is scheduled to arrive Wednesday.
MDN’s report exactly mirrors the email I have received, so GFY.
maczealot,
I suppose MDN mentioned that the MBP was shipped from Shanghai, China today for two reasons:
1. Because it was shipped from Shanghai and says so on the order and tracking.
2. To explain why “expedited shipping” will take four days (China to the U.S.)
Think Different, indeed: you may the only one in the universe that believes that this report is a grand conspiracy invented by MDN to fake everyone out and get them waiting for the MBPs to show up Wednesday. What do you want a screenshot of MDN’s email from Apple, so you can claim it’s a Photoshopped fake?
FYI: Apple sent me an email this morning regarding my 17-inch MacBook Pro order:
MBPRO 17/2.16 CTO
Shipped: MAY 06, 2006
Estimated Delivered By: MAY 10, 2006
MDN MW: “party” (and that’s no lie – Wednesday will be 17″ MBP party time!)
Wow! Apple is bringing free enterprise to Communist China.
Way to go Steve.
Chinese workers in the high tech assembly plants are upper middle class, not slaves. You don’t need $60,000 a year to live the good life in China.
I guess American unions are screwing themselves out of more jobs than just those in the Auto and Steel industries.
Union workers in America do less work for more money than anywhere else on the planet. Productivity and quality are taking a beating in American union shops as well.
Job one for American unions is to sign more members and protect union jobs. It should be to make a quality product and share in the profits.
If American unions don’t change their ways, globalization will kill them off.
Was there a topic here?
This is by far the best thread I have seen in recent years. I want to thank all of the participants. It’s funny though, business is always just business. Whether it’s the 1st century or the 30th century, the fastest and cheapest labor always wins out. I am a carpenter by trade (white) and a lot of my co-workers complain about all the mexicans and/or illigealls that are spreading through our trade out west here (Arizona). They complain because they don’t work as hard as they use to and these guys kick some real ass out on a concrete slab. This is just how business works. The faster you are the larger amount of money you will earn. Jay leno use to take comedy gigs for half the price other people wanted, what happened you ask?, he got the gig, other people got pissed and now he is worth over a billion in dollars. China isn’t going to change their human rights positions anytime soon, probably never. Besides, it isn’t the government of China’s problem, it’s the people’s problem and it’s their power, or lack there of that will one day change it. Until then it is perfectly leagal for US company’s to give contracts to these manufacturing company’s. And don’t give me the “It’s not right” line, business isn’t about being right, it’s about making money. So for me, I say thank you China, you have allowed me to make alot of money. Hopefully your countrymen won’t figure out that there are atleast a billion that could overthrow your government, that would lead our US economy into a tailspin……And I don’t know about you, but I like driving on 5 lane highways.
i agree with mike. yay for 17″ macbook pros!
i don’t know if it’s the same in every mac forum, but this one almost ALWAYS gets into politics.
why is that?
mw: second, as in “the second someone mentions another country, it becomes all about politics”
hmmmm, basically,
almost every piece of clothing and electronics in someones home is made in China. Its not the ideal situation, but what can anyone ‘practically’ do about ? You can’t save the world, but you can save a few people. What then ? Adopt a chinese foster child ? Modern society and its benefits are built upon the suffering of others, blame mankind, not Apple. Apple is in business to make money, and money is the root of all evil, its and infinite loop. Let’s just have fun, love Apple, and do the best we can to help others.
Now I have to throw away my fridge and microwave oven.
Yeah, you guessed: made in China.
Hawww, better than my neighbor though, his Honda car is manufactured in Southern China. I see him now trying hard to push it into large disposable bin.
Man, General Motors is already shipping to North America a number of V-6 engines, produced with its partner, Shanghai Automotive.
If you have got a V-6 recently, check the manufacturer: you might not be driving All-American.
Peace
Hell, most people here could not even find China on a map, let alone have any knowledge of the type of government they have or know the difference between dictatorial Communism and a representative type government with a free press and basic rights for its citizens.
Most people here would rather have their products cheap and made with slave labor than have to pay more so that the workers would have a decent wage, working conditions and benefits.
In America ignorance is a disease of epidemic proportions.
Logic Rules:
Cute little moniker. I suppose that anointing yerself that with that profoundly distinguished name is supposed to add some extra importance and greater value to yer post.
There are numerous reasons why MDN included the mention of Shanghai in their post and some of them actually include deliberate intent and predetermined thought. It is also possible that MDN had no realization that mentioning Shanghai would strike a responsive chord. It appears that MDN was completely oblivious to the concerns of citizens in U.S. and other countries regarding the People’s Republic of China social, economical, environmental, and political policies and practices. In the future, MDN may consider it worthwhile to proof read their posts for subject matter as well as grammatical mistakes if they wish to avoid stirring up “off topic” submissions. Of course, this assumes that MDN has an intellectual grasp of substantive controversies other than the enduring interest in the competition between Apple and Microsoft, and that people other than themselves really give a damn when MDN receives its miniscule amount of Apple laptops.
Years ago, the acronym “NIMBY” was the rallying cry among people who wanted all the benefits of modern society and none of the risks or responsibilities. Now, we export certain thorny political, labor, and environmental issues to places like China, and any other country, so we can get what’s ours at the expense of others. We can all criticize China for what it does, but we also have to examine ourselves for what we choose to implement and sustain. The government of China may not give a rat’s ass about its citizens, so, as many think, neither should I. Consider this, what lasting effects on our national psyche may occur if we value material possessions more than human beings?
maclover:
You misquoted Yeshua. Actually, He said, “The love of money is the root of all evil.”
From your purely pragmatic perspective, the world is a cesspool and the best we can do is stay upwind as often as possible. This is not a promising prognosis for humankind.
Several persons contend that building up the middle-class in China will result in greater freedoms for Chinese citizens. Economic growth may have positive, negative, or neutral effects on personal freedoms. It seems that fundamental change in governing policies is the primary condition for improvement in social freedom more than an increase in individual discretionary income. Does anyone have examples from history that support the hypothesis that Chinese economic develop will result in improved civil liberties? Does anyone have any statistics regarding improvements in Chinese social freedoms or governmental reforms since 1980?
To bloviator and Darren:
Please refer to my earlier submission 06 May 2006 at 18:51. That’s all.
MDN:
Yes, this is directed to you specifically.
bloviator, implies that bloggers like you are not real journalists. I guess this means that MDN deserves none of the rights of real journalists. Your response, please. You make consult with Jason O’Grady if you want to.
I suppose we’ll all know what the court thinks come August 2006. Mark your calendar! Looks like you will have a lot more to post than just your reaction to Job’s keynote address at WWDC.
If the court rejects the unyielding belief of bloggers like you and Jason that you are real journalists, well, will you welcome the People’s Republic of America? You can keep your MacBook Pros, maybe. The irony makes my head spin. You?
Maybe China’s changing us more than we’re changing them. Ever think of that, roundeye?
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Coming this fall…
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2170
MacBook Pro with “Core 2 Duo” – adds 64 bit, 20% faster performance at same Mhz, SSE4 support.
And in other news (which MDN is pretty slow to report), Vista will not support FireWire 800 at release:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2178
WOO HOO!!! Mine’s in Anchorage, AK!!!! Off the commie soil!!!
Hehe…
Anyway, if you are so anti-chinese (let me clarify this, do I wish we had a different manufacturing “partner”? YES, do I see it happening any time soon -with dem or rep in office- NO!) Then you need to throw away all your clothes, toys, electronics (cell phones, regular phones, microwaves, TVs, gameboys, psp, playstations…) and pretty much everything you can name. Like Big Al said, you can thank the Unions for the primary reason most labor intensive manufacturing went over seas. I work in manufacturing and have seen several union companies fold because of ridiculous things like $22 an hour is just not enough for the STARTING LEVEL jobs with no education. This was in a community where the average income is around $30,000 a year, NOT a big city. The UNIONS closed those plants down by being too greedy and not being willing to work with the owners. Finally the owners said “Forget it, we’re going to Mexico.” It wasn’t out of greed but necessity. They would have much rather stayed in the U.S. but couldn’t afford to do it anymore.
As for jobs & outsourcing and all that garbage. We may have outsourced something along the lines of 4 million jobs over the last few years, but the press fails to announce that foreign companies have insourced (opened factories and started jobs HERE in the U.S.) is nearly 8 million in that same time frame. Almost 2 to 1. Companies like Honda, Kia/Hyundai, LG, Sony, Toyota, Nissan, Perelli, and many more have opened plants in the USA to provide jobs here in the US and make the products here. People who are all worried about jobs need to look at the unemployment rate which is down to 4.6%, which is UNHEARD of in the industrialized world. 5% is considered full employment and we are UNDER that. Almost everyone that wants a job, has one. Our “allies” of France, Germany, Italy, etc..all have unemployment rates hanging around 20% or more. These liberal bastions have the lowest productivity rates and NO products of export to speak of (aside from some cars from Germany & cheese and WINE -how appropriate- from France)
Anyway, back to the real topic, Did I mention my MBP is in ANCHORAGE!!! WOOHOO, hopefully only 1 more day!!!!
Received mine today, and am typing on it right now. Yayyyy.
YO SETH… YOU SUCK!!!!
jk
Anyway, congrats man, I wish I could say the same but I’m stuck on my old TiBook… What state are you in?
(if you say delirium, I’m slapping you)
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