“There was a great story yesterday by ‘technology writer’ Dan Goodin at the Associated Press, and because it was from the AP, we can read it on several sites,” John Gruber writes for Daring Fireball. “What’s great about an AP story like this one is that if you’re only paying attention to the headlines, it creates the impression that there are multiple reports from all over the web corroborating the same point, when in fact it’s just one story, repeated many times over by news publications that regurgitate whatever comes in over the AP wire.”
“Journalism this good deserves a close analysis,” Gruber writes before providing said analysis with gusto.
“With Apple yesterday launching a new television ad campaign that draws specific, pointed attention to the fact that Macs are not besieged by malware — this sort of bogus ‘trend piece’ that purposefully conflates the issues of whether Macs are in theory potentially vulnerable to malware (yes) with whether Macs are in reality under attack (no) is just what the doctor ordered,” Gruber writes.
“If Goodin wanted to be reasonable or accurate, he could have written a story titled ‘Some Guy Double-Clicked a Trojan Horse Virus for Mac OS X but It Didn’t Actually Spread to Anyone Else,’ but what kind of story would that be? OK, it’d be a true story, but it wouldn’t be a good story,” Gruber writes. “No one would have linked to such a story except to make fun of it: What would be the point of making a big stink out of one guy who got hit by a Mac OS X Trojan horse — which was so poorly written that it couldn’t even successfully spread to another computer — when there are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Windows users suffering from malware every single day? What good journalism calls for is taking that one guy, and writing an article that presents his episode as though it were part of a trend of increasing Mac virus attacks. No one is going to make fun of Dan Goodin — or the Associated Press, or the dozens of reputable news outlets that ran the story — for that.”
Full article, highly recommended, here.
MacDailyNews Take: The Mac Web is a better place thanks to John Gruber’s writings.
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Let’s say that I somehow got a virus on one of my Macs. I know it’s hard to imagine, but let’s just say it happened. What do I do?
Denial works.
I read him daily, ‘suppose I should pony up for the privilege.
Reports are EVERYWHERE that Macs are under attack by viruses galore. Can they ALL be wrong? Maybe it’s time for Apple to admit the coming onslaught and confess the experiment with Intel, Windows, Boot Camp, etc. is a disaster and we all will now suffer from now on.
Do you think the AP will pick up this article? Doubtful!
Yes
They’re all Associated Press syndicated articles. The same article, in fact.
A proper journalist would do a little digging to see who all these ‘Mac users’ in the article really are.
And whether or not Microsoft is behind them.
Or perhaps it’s that shyster Microsoft-retained lawyer. Remember? The one who’s running all those nano-scratch class actions?
Anyways, this AP story stinks like a set-up.
Yes they can all be wrong, because they are all the same article. I have used a mac for about 6 years now. Never once even turned on firewall and i keep my computer running for as long as possible always connected to the internet. I have been to many sites, downloaded many stupid things from many untrusted sources. I’m TRYING to get a virus. It’s just not working. I ran a virus scanner once and found 500+ Windows viruses sitting on my computer taking up space, but not affecting me at all. I just sit and laugh whenever i see all these articles (same article really)
Good article. Yesterday’s virus stories were pure MS-organized propaganda.
Let’s say that I somehow got a virus on one of my Macs. I know it’s hard to imagine, but let’s just say it happened. What do I do?
Mac’s get viruses, they actually come on the machine. That’s a 100% fact.
I’ve gotten Javascript viruses and Windows viruses. I’ve gotten Microsloth Excel and Word macro viruses. I’ve gotten other application viruses as well.
So the statement “Mac’s don’t get viruses” is 100% in error.
But what they mean is that Mac OS X itself doesn’t get affected by viruses, which by nature are almost all Windows viruses.
Mac’s can indeed be a Typhoid Mary and pass viruses to other computers
So to clean the filth off your machine, you shoudl use ClamXav occassionally or before sending Windows email files off again.
DO NOT USE ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE (or much of anything)<b. THAT INSTALLS USING ADMIN PASSWORD</b>
also don’t, until a update is released that fixes the problem, do these things
Do not visit untrusted web sites.
Do not open ZIP archives or images originating from untrusted sources.
Do not click on suspicious links.
this is all a bit like gossip about the virginal prom queen. Everyone it appears has potentially laid her… A quick easy way of ruining someones reputation.
What is with those PC viruses anyway?
<ba-do-do-do-do. Pop. Pop.>
Clam AV does not disinfect, hence the need for commercial AV products. Most users cannot handle manual removal and replacing of files required by clam..
A better headline would be: No OS is immune to stupid user tricks.
[ Mickey Mouse voice]
Hi, kids! My name’s Al Jazzoo. I’m speaking to you today from here in the Cuckoo’s Nest. Wha- What’s that, you say? What’s the Cuckoo’s Nest?
Wellllllll, the Cuckoo’s Nest is a very special place, boys and girls. Yessssss, yes it is. Why, it’s the place where the trees taste like chocolate macaroons and the grass is bright pink! Where dogs are friendly with cats and butterflies tell jokes. And it’s also the magical home of fairies and unicorns, too. Why just the other day I saw a dragon cavorting with a senior citizen, and a toadstool spoke to me in Swahili! Huh-huh-huh– isn’t that neat-o, boys and girls?!?
Yes, the Cuckoo’s Nest is also the place where I dream up all of my fantasticable writings! You know, the one’s I leave here on the Mac site — just like horses leave dropppings by the barn! And ooohh, don’t forget, licorice is wonderfully and squinchiloobidoubly mind-enhancing here, too. In fact, boys and girls, I never write unless I’ve had a sh-tload!!! Oops, can I say ‘sh-tload’? Ohhhh, sure — why the f-ck not, huh?
Well, kids, my times just about up. They’re blowing the evening siren now and that means it’s time for everyone’s meds- err, time to get some rest! But I hope you’ve enjoyed your visit with me here at the Cuckoo’s Nest, cuz I sure like hearing from you all! Yessiree, it’s sure wonderful to have so many large, purple friends . . . all staring back at me from behind the magical glass lens . . . uhmm, mmm, why I remember way back when I was still a coherent young gherkin, I used to write the darndest things . . . I used to talk for hours and . . . and then I’d . . . I’d . . . ooooohhhh, so . . . sooooo sleepy now . . . Ummmmmmm . . . ummmmmmm . . . ohhhh, that’s good sh-t, mannnnnnnnnnn . . . ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh . . .
[/Mickey Mouse voice]
It is a basic mathematical fact: You can draw ANY trend line you want through a single data point.
Idiotic, sensationalizing, publicity hunting, reader starved “journalists” are the only ones drawing a trend line showing the sky is falling in on Mac OS X security.
Clam AV does not disinfect, hence the need for commercial AV products. Most users cannot handle manual removal and replacing of files required by clam..
Commercial AV software or virus removal methods are not a problem, as long as it doesn’t require a admin password to install or work.
Right now there are more application expoits and flaws for AV software than there are viruses for Mac OS X. If a AV software has root access, the game is over. Virex, McAfee and Norton AV all had root level exploits.
ClamXav had a exploit, but because it didn’t have root access the effects were greatly minimalized.
Serious flaw found in X11, Mac’s affected
running X11 code?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060502/tc_zd/177195
*sigh*
Al Jazzoo, just so you can get a clue if you want to:
A Mac OS X virus would be a program that installs iteself without the user knowing it, and spreads itself to other computers undetected.
By that definition, there has never been a single Mac OS X virus. The Microsoft Macro viruses only affect Microsoft Office documents.
Macs cannot spread Windows viruses in a viral manner. Mac users can manually forward email containing Windows viruses to Windows users, but that is a shortcoming of Windows, not Mac OS X.
It is not the job of Apple computer to save Windows users from Windows viruses, except of course by selling Macs.
Let’s say that I somehow got a virus on one of my Macs. I know it’s hard to imagine, but let’s just say it happened. What do I do?
Delete that Windows boot camp partition and resume using OS X?
I love how Windows people are more interested in the first Mac virus appearing than the 115,000th (or whatever) Windows virus appearing.
We can start worrying about Mac viruses when Apple makes ActiveX for Mac OS X.
Nick why are you bothering to talk?
1: A Mac OS X virus would be a program that installs iteself without the user knowing it, and spreads itself to other computers undetected.
A Mac OS X virus would be one that utilizes Mac OS X to spread itself. There are no Mac OS X viruses, but that doesn’t mean “Mac’s don’t get viruses” because they do.
By that definition, there has never been a single Mac OS X virus
I never said there was., read my post moron.
The Microsoft Macro viruses only affect Microsoft Office documents.
Right it’s a application virus but it can get on a Mac correct? So Mac’s can get viruses. = TRUE. fucktwad.
Macs cannot spread Windows viruses in a viral manner.
Because they are viruses that exploit Windows and Mac OS X doesn’t have the same vunerabilites. No duh!’
Mac users can manually forward email containing Windows viruses to Windows users, but that is a shortcoming of Windows, not Mac OS X.
Viruses attached to graphic images, text and other files also can passed along to Windowze users. So still Mac’s can get virues and pass them along like Typhoid Mary. dick4brains.
It is not the job of Apple computer to save Windows users from Windows viruses, except of course by selling Macs.
Who said anything about Apple saving Windows users from viruses? It’s the user passing files to PCs from Mac’s that causes the virus to transmit.
examine carefully my post above, you’ll see I never said Mac OS X viruses.
Al Jazzoo is my favorite poster.
In a single post, he made the following statements:
“So Mac’s can get viruses. = TRUE.”
“I never said Mac OS X viruses.”
Yesssss. I can fear your anger! It makes you strong! LOL
Al Jazzoo, you might want to go back to grade school too, since you clearly missed a few things in grammar class. At LEAST check this page out, for the love of all things holy:
http://tranchant.plus.com/notes/apostrophe
I was watching Vito on the “Sopranos” and my Mac had a kernhole panic.
I wonder what Al Jazoo thinks of “trusted computing”????
lol
I’ll make fun of Dan Goodin. He’s goodin at writing bad stories that are full of FUD!
WHAT TO DO IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE A VIRUS. GET THIS
http://www.intego.com/virusbarrier/
AND RUN A CLONE WITH THIS BEFORE IT ALL HAPPENS
http://www.intego.com/virusbarrier/
OOPS This is the link http://www.intego.com/personalbackup/
All of this Windows viruses vs Mac OS X theoretical viruses reminds me of 2004. Remember when we had two presidential canditates running, one had no military combat experience and the other had 1 silver star, 1 bronze star and 3 purple hearts? Guess who got hit with the FUD campaign?
Now we’ve got windows, known by even my mom to be extremely virus-prone, and we’ve got Mac OS X, which has never had a single virus. Which operating system is getting hit with the FUD?
All we need now is a Microsoft television ad campagin called “Mac OS X virus survivors for truth.”
(…mind you, Microsoft would have no “official” ties to said ad campaign, of course)
And I wonder what Al Jazoo thinks of the “iPod Hi-Fi”????
Nick = Pino
You can run, but you can’t hide from the ‘dude.
MDW: “head” Like Nickie gives great dickie.
I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Just in Case, to answer your question.
Whenever the first virus shows up to really affect OS X, check the Mac webosphere. There will be stories beyond belief obsessing over every nit of this oddity. Wait a day or two for the panic and FUD to calm down, then follow the advice of reputable Mac sites.
Otherwise, follow good security practices: back up your user files regularly, avoid questionable emails, learn about your firewall, download your shareware files from MacUpdate, Versiontracker or Apple.
You can run ClamXav if you’re so inclined. I found one Windows java virus (solution from an anti-virus site found by searching for “virus-name mac” on Google: delete the files), a bunch of phishing emails in my Junk folder and a couple of Classic OS viruses in my old ClarisEmailer folder, again, just delete the files.
Some of you are acting like you just found out that modern “journalism” isn’t about reporting news. No way! It’s about shaping perception. The AP is notorious packaging inuendo as “news”. Most main stream media long ago gave up news for entertainment. It’s all about sensationalism. Normality doesn’t sell. Microsoft and viruses = “Dog bites man”; Macs and viruses = “Man bites dog”.
You know you love me.
You tried and you failed.
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I’m a lawyer defending a major record company, and I’m talkin’ about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you’re in that jury room deliberatin’ and conjugatin’ the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
Mr. Jazoo, please come with us. We have a nice padded room for you to check out.
No, no, noooooo . . . pino no ‘Nick’. Nick do good all by hisself.
pino appreciate Nick help, but no need.
Actuawwy, pino no need anybody help!
No . . . cuz MacDude/Al Poopoo look like fool all by hisself!!
Foorish! Vewy, vewy foorish you are, Al Poopoo!!!!!
And now pino rearize someting . . . yesssss, pino now utterwy convinced: Al Poopoo is himself a viwus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, viwus . . . dat’s what AL Poopoo is!!! And best thing for viwus, evewybody know: AVOID!!!!!
Avoid Al Poopoo! Put on ‘ignore’ button. Stay awaaaaaaaaaaay fwom him.
Be veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwy caweful, evewyone!
Al Poopoo dangerous! Thoughts, bad!
Ignore him!!! Ignore like da plague!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And your recommend the “men in white coats” for me?
I might be crazy, but I’m not insane like poor pino here.
Ok pino, now don’t smear your poo poo all over your nice white Mac keyboard again.
Rememeber how I made you clean it up with your tongue the last time.
Behave!
all this talk about wookiees is confusing. i must have a virus on my mac! i think i heard it sneeze! or was that my dog? or a wookiee? i better listen to everything the AP says! shape my perception! ahhhhh-CHOOOO!!
I like to spout. I’m on here allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the time!
Why don’t I have a life? Why do the squirrels spit at me?
There’s only one person I can blame for all this. Yes, one person.
ARE YOU LISTENING, MOTHER????!!????
Get the knives! Get the knives! Get the knives!
What does Al Jazzoo think of all of this? I haven’t heard from her for a while.
All those who are all panicky about Mac viruses, here’s a solution:
1. Take your Ethernet cable
2. Unplug it from your computer
3. Stay off the Internet and have fun playing Chess
For the rest of us, we’ll take precautions, but we’re not going to let FUD rule our lives…
And for those who are saying, “Oh, goody, Macs are going to be just as virus prone as Windows!”, dream on…oh, and “bugs” are not the same thing as viruses…
Wow, I just looked at this page on my Windows Box and I got a malware infection called “SpyFalcon”. I’m in the process of getting rid of it. Thanks for the malware, MDN!
Man, I sure wish Al Jazzoo would post something, I miss her.
(… waiting for my system scan to complete…)
Now my taskbar has this big flashing red thingy in it, and if I click it it opens my browser up to here:
http://www.spyfalcon.com/?aff=265
It happened right after one of these popup ads appeared, spawned by the MDN page. Is that even legal?
Where is the light?
Oh dear God, make the noises stop.
I’m 15, okay? Lay off!
Al, you would only be running X11 on your Mac if you purposely put in the OS X CD, went into Development Tools and installed it. It doesn’t come pre-installed on any Mac, and isn’t installed with the OS when you do a clean install.
I just got a popup notice from my Webroot spysweeper program: It said I was now protected against 136,460 threat traces. Maybe it is time to switch to Mac. LOL
Al, you would only be running X11 on your Mac if you purposely put in the OS X CD, went into Development Tools and installed it. It doesn’t come pre-installed on any Mac, and isn’t installed with the OS when you do a clean install.
duh, some do run X11. A lot of knowledgeable Mac folks have Dev Tools installed, like they should.
And I have a excuse, I’m a paranoid crazy tin-foiled hat dude that’s been driven bonkers by Microsoft malware.
I got a Mac because Chewbacca lives on Endore with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks and it doesn’t make sense!!
Please pass the kool-aid.
Mac Virus Protection – Defending Against the Unknown
What to do?! What to do?!
This is VERY easy to figure out and implement.
Go down to (or call) your nearest Apple Store and ask them what they use to protect their own in-house Macs, the ones that are open to the general public and have full access to the internet. They will say to just turn on your built-in Firewall. They be glad to spend the 10 seconds to show you how to do it. It even as a cool “Stealth Mode” as an advanced option. THAT’S IT!!!
When Apple decides to protect its own corporately owned Macs, then I will, too. But, until then, I do not waste one second of my time worrying about the sky falling. That’s why I bought a Mac.
RELAX!
Personally… I’m grateful that so many of these hacks are willing to nominate themselves for the Chicken Little Security award.
Why? Because if you look at the 7-8 mos between now and December, there’s the perfect amount of time for the public to sort the good info from the bad and make their home computer upgrade decisions… just in time for the xmas buying season.
So, without further ado, I present the tripe du jour:
[from the journalists at the “Awsome Computer Review Weekly Journal”]
“Mac Vulnerability Tops List of Security Flaws” TechNewsWorld 11:11 AM
“Mac Security Reputation ‘is In Tatters'”
SecurityProNews
David Utter
“Say good-bye to Apple security? Apple Computer last month dropped the bombshell that its new Boot Camp software would let Macintosh computers dual-boot and run the Windows operating system.”
CNET News.com
“Mac OS as vulnerable to hackers as Windows: A big increase in the number of flaws being discovered in the Mac OS X suggests that the operating system may be as prone to malicious attacks as Windows-based systems, says the SANS Institute.”
ComputerWeekly
“Mac slack on security according to poll” iTWire 8:51 AM
“Boot camp will herald rise in Mac OSX flaws: Experts say Apple’s Windows software makes operating system more attractive to hackers”
Personal Computer World”
[thanks to macsurfer.com for collecting these]
“Benjamin Daines was browsing the Web when he clicked on a series of links that promised pictures of an unreleased update to his computer’s operating system.”
What I do not understand is why in the world would Mr Daines try to get a MAC OS System update from anywhere other than the “Software Update” from Apple?
What does a computer virus do? I’ve never seen one.
“Let’s not confuse the truth with the facts.”
– anonymous tech writer
Think Different: Why?
That’s easy! “The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.” -Albert Einstein
Peter: Well, I’m gettin’ something really special too. And by special I don’t mean special like that Kleinaman boy down the street. More special like… like Special K, the cereal. Hey, what do they do with the regular K? And for that matter, what ever happend to K. Ballard? You know, if you said mallard and you had a cold, it would sound like ballard.
Brian: Do you listen to yourself when you talk?
Peter: I drift in and out.
The X11 security issue is a local user vunerability. This means you have to have a malicious local user who has a user account on your machine, or has somehow acquired a log in, for it to be a problem.
It is completely unrelated to viruses.
If you are the only person who uses your computer or all the people who use the computer are trustworthy its not an issue.
I should also note that it doesn’t affect the version of X11 that ships with Macs, because its too old!
Redmond Bridges falling down, falling down, falling down. Redmond Bridges falling down…
I love it when liberals run around and try to compare things that they know nothing about. Let’s dissect.
How did John Kerry get his purple hearts? Oh yeah, one of them was given for shrapnel embedded in his arm. That’s real courage.
But if that’s not enough, John Kerry threw his medals away! Only they turned out to be not his medals, but just some medals meant to make a good media splash.
Oh, and let’s not forget the Winter Soldier tribunal testimony, where John Kerry knowingly lied about Nam and made Vietnam vets out to be murderers, torturers, and so forth. And hey if you want John Kerry’s book about all of this, The New Soldier, you can’t have it. Kerry forbids its republication.
And John Kerry’s memory seems to be awfully fuzzy about when and where he was at certain times in ‘Nam. He gets dates wrong by entire years.
You can claim “fog of war”, but if you don’t know your basic history — and you were there, supposedly — why make that a centerpiece of your campaign? And furthermore, why make your “duty to country” such a big deal when your own words and actions supported the North Vietnamese? They freaking broadcasted Kerry’s words in the Hanoi Hilton!
John Kerry’s story was weak, filled with holes, and patched together with lies. He’s been lying since ‘Nam and he hasn’t stopped. Just watch him dance around like a marionette taking any position that he can. This man has single-handedly made the Democrat party a laughingstock (I mean, if AlGore, Clinton, Reno, and Dean weren’t damage enough!). He voted for the war before he voted against it? Please. The man is his own worst enemy.
thanks for the history lesson poster. next time tell me it in a history forum, not a mac one.
even though he has been a tad alarmist, Al Jazzoo has raised some points that we should think about.
he’s stated that there are viruses that are shipped on Macs. this is something that i wasn’t aware of and information that i think all of us could use. please, tell us what these viruses are called or how we may locate them on our machines so that we may remove them.
in the event that we are infected what symptoms should we look out for and how does it affect our machines?
are they self propagating? in what way do these viruses propogate?
if the malware affects MS ‘wares couldn’t i just use Appleworks or NeoOffice to avoid that?
and lastly, if they aren’t OS X viruses, why should i be concened? i’ve had plenty of Windows user friends who send me crappy, infected files and they didnt seem too worried about whether or not they infected Macs.
Ilove it when liberals run around and try to compare things that they know nothing about. Let’s dissect.
…and this relates to viruses on Macintosh how?? unless it relates to the original topic in some manner, shape or form i, personally, could care less what your political opinions, no matter how accurate, are.
what does it have to do with Macs and viruses?
Well that is nothing.
That one guy shipped his Mac to Europe and had his friend ship it to the middle east and then the mac was shipped to China. Tomorrow that Mac arrives back in the U.S.
AP already pre-released the headline:
“Mac Virus goes world wide!”
Serious flaw found in X11, Mac’s affected
running X11 code?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20060502/tc_zd/177195
The flaw, which affects X11R6.9.0 and X11R7.0.0, was fixed within a week of its discovery,…
“Poster”:
I was actually talking about the way people used FUD when the facts don’t back them up.
Since Windows XP has a gazillion viruses and adware vulnerabilites, people are defending it by spreading FUD about Apple.
Since Bush had no military experience (other than conveniently getting into the national guard), and since Kerry had earned a silver star, a bronze star, and three purple hearts while serving in Vietnam, the FUD smear campaign was launched.
Remember when Cheney warned that if Kerry was elected, the danger would be that the terrorists would strike? Remember the TV commercial with the wolves running through the dark woods, reminding us we need a “strong” leader like Bush? Look at http://www.ready.gov – notice the terror alert level is still at “elevated”, which it has never been lower than.
Even Apple’s latest commercials use FUD – you can absolutely hook up the latest digital cameras to a Windows XP SP2 computer. Windows computers don’t randomly freeze up unless they have faulty components. Windows computers typically come with lots of bundled software.
This whole FUD thing is cowardly and pathetic, no matter who is doing it.
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