“As if its success with iPod wasn’t enough, Apple looks to be on a winner with its new Intel Macintosh platform, judging by the reactions of the media and its readers,” Stan Beer reports for iTWire. “In a new poll of iTWire readers taken over the past 24 hours, nearly two thirds of the 448 respondents (299) believe that being able to dual boot Windows will increase Macintosh market share compared with just one third (159) who believe it will not.”
“Many pundits are betting that the new Intel Macs will revitalise Apple’s previously flagging PC market share, which currently stands at about 4%. Some believe, that traditional PC vendors are now in serious danger of losing market share to Apple, as they cannot legally run the Mac OSX operating systems on their machines,” Beer reports.
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Now that’s a surprise. Adding additional utility to a product usually does increase the chances for more sales!!
The holiday season is looking good for Apple. Microsoft will push their XBOX 360 and spend multi-millions to try to get people to buy a new gaming system instead of trying to replace their PCs. Then they will spend multi-millions to try to get people to update their computers after Vista is released. Count on it.
You don’t know the history of guerilla marketing. I do.
Is it really an increase if 70% (or some percentage) use the macs to run windows?
As far as I’m concerned, marketshare increase for the mac means OS X increases in usage.
– Mark
> Is it really an increase if 70% (or some percentage) use the macs to run windows?
do you honestly think people will buy a mac to run windows. they will buy a mac because they think they need to run windows, but over time they will find that the mac partition does prettty much everything the windows partition does.
Think of BootCamp as Classic for Windows users. They may start off with using Windows more, because people go with what they feel comfortable and familair with. Over time they will try out OSX and I think Apple is quite sure they will like what they see.
Also, I might add, it’s up to the Mac community to help this along. If you know people who buy a new Mac, help them, don’t scream at them for using Windows.
That’s great news people. If iTWire readers said so then Apple is saved.
An ongoing, live poll on AVS Forum (http://www.avsforum.com/), a popular Web site offering home theater news and discussion forums, may signal an increase in Mac OS X and Linux market share at the expense of Windows, reinforcing this story. Currently, in the main “Home Theater Computers” forum, one poll asks members to answer the question: “What OS drives your HTPC?” As of April 24, 2006, the tally was as follows:
Current AVS Forum poll: “What OS drives your HTPC?”
Windows 81.17%
Mac 12.65%
Linux 9.26%
Other 0.62%
The results to date (the poll is still active) reveal that some 21.9% of AVS Forum members use Linux or Mac-based home theater computers. The poll question was created on April 13 and represents a very small data set (fewer than 350 respondents so far). The Mac results have fluctuated between about 5 and 13.65%, but the results already may be indicattive of one Apple success — increased market share in at least one vertical market. In fact, before January 2005, Macs were not even on many radar screens as a home theater component. Now (15 months later), the Mac mini is becoming popular with a growing number of home theater enthusiasts. The mini, a new version of OS X with iTunes video downloading, the Front Row interface, and the Apple Remote Control have helped Apple launch a fledgling home theater computer business since the the original Mac mini introduced was on January 11, 2005, and the revised Intel-based mini, on January 10, 2006. Windows XP Media Center Edition was introduced on October 12, 2004.
AVS Forum (AV Science Forum) is a free, discussion group Web site that offers a range of member-contributed information about home theater technology. Since June of 2005, it has offered a Mac subforum; a Linux subforum also is available. Only AVS Forum members can vote in the OS home theater poll, but site registration is quick and simple. The poll total does not add up to 100% because some respondents may own multiple home theater systems that are connected to personal computers.
We need to thank the turn around of IT opinion to the writing at InfoWorld. This last issue had a very good review of the situation and the neccesity of reporting things Macintosh.
“Over time they will try out OSX and I think Apple is quite sure they will like what they see.”
Well, I’m not 100% convinced.
First, “over time” might be tricky. Most initial switchers find Mac OS X “weird”–it doesn’t work like Windows. After a few weeks of using Mac OS X, though, they’re comfortable and prefer how the Mac works (with some exceptions).
But that initial hump may discourage the “casual switcher” who bought an iMac because it looks really cool and they can run all their Windows software.
There’s also the configuration issue. I’m going to use Outlook on the PC because it’s “what I’m used to.” Why should I bother to set up Mail on the Mac side? Sure, iMovie rocks and I’ll switch to the Mac to run iMovie and eschew Movie Maker. But essentially Mac OS X gets used to run iMovie. Everything else goes to Windows.
Current AVS Forum poll: “What OS drives your HTPC?”
Windows 81.17%
Mac 12.65%
Linux 9.26%
Other 0.62%
TOTAL = 103.70%
Huh?
I’m still not optimistic about the possibility of any significant market share gains. Most people most of the time about most things don’t want to change anything in their lives. You can get a Dull on sale for something like $450 INCLUDING a 15″ LCD, a mouse and a keyborad.
I am an Apple proponent; I use it everyday, so I don’t need convincing how great OS X is, or how great the software package is on a Mini. Convincing the average Doze user to spend even $300 more than the basic Dull, however, is going to be very difficult.
And don’t even start on the upcoming desk tops starting at $1,999, if history is any guide. I wok in a company with a highly educated workforce of accountants, lawyers and engineers. They all make good money. The highest price paid for a computer for the ones I know about (all Doze) have averaged about $800-$900.
I hope all the optimists are right and I’m wrong, but I just dont think dual booting on a Mac is a life-changing for the average buyer.
Should all the other box makers just shut down? Apple is about to take over the world, if you belive the hype around here.
Reality is that not too many people will pay more to get the logo we all love on their enclosures. Price rules, as always – something Steve has always denied to the detriment of us all.
Apple will have to be content with a market share in the single digits.
RE: Home Theater OS poll: As the submission reports, …”The poll total does not add up to 100% because some respondents may own multiple home theater systems that are connected to personal computers…”
Current AVS Forum poll: “What OS drives your HTPC?”
Windows 81.17%
Mac 12.65%
Linux 9.26%
Other 0.62%
TOTAL = 103.70%
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Hmmm, I’m not sure “flagging” is the right word to describe Apple’s PC market share prior to the introduction of the Intel Macs since their market share has increased considerably over the last year and a half.
Point taken, so I’ll classify this one under
screwy math exposed by specious reasoning!
RE: Home Theater OS poll: As the submission reports, …”The poll total does not add up to 100% because some respondents may own multiple home theater systems that are connected to personal computers…”
Current AVS Forum poll: “What OS drives your HTPC?”
Windows 81.17%
Mac 12.65%
Linux 9.26%
Other 0.62%
TOTAL = 103.70%
Well apple has hard sold 4 way videoconferencing with the built in isight) and front row (what else do you find on all their promo photos.
BUT…apple hasnt supported isight or front row under windows..
so the message to the hesitant switcher is…you have to enter my parlour if you want Front Row and iSight….
What Apple has left out in the drivers is more significant than what it has put in…this is the most subtle switch campaign disguised as a surrender to those who would like to see it that way….
The average public thinks dual-boot relates to footwear.
Boot Camp don’t mean a ‘thang.
This Boot Camp thing is only a temporary fling to increase Mac sales for the short term.
When the Vista PC’s roll out with DirectX used exclusively, Mac’s will be shut out of the game.
I think Vista will be a bigger bust than Boot Camp.
Andrew – but when OSX Leopard allows windows apps to run natively without Windows – what happens then eh?
JUst watched a German TV show where they were reviewing laptops.
The included the 15 inch MacPro. The announcer said, “Finally, Macs run Windows”. Then it showed Windoxs XP on Apple screen. Totally gave the impression that Windows is the only OS that the new Mac runs.
One of the hosts after the piece tried to correct the error, but to the average person that know nothing much about computers, Apple – as they put it is just a slickly designed, but too high priced computer that finally runs Windows.
Whew.
podboy: Absolutely!!
Hanz und Franz: Sad but true.
To Podboy,
Leopard running Windows apps natively is speculation and only speculation.. This has never been a documented feature by Apple. Of course, it will be great if it happens, but lots of rumored Apple products are just that… Rumors.
Remember the touch screen iPod video that was supposed to be announced because somehow these unsubstantiated rumors became fact amongst Mac chat boards? Well, it never happened and as it turns out the touch screen technology will most likely not be used on an iPod, it will be used for an Apple portable of some sort..
All I’m saying is, we haven’t a clue what Leopard’s features will be, speculation of Apple’s products can be very dangerous and do harm to the stock.
Hey Andrew, with delays to Vista, the “short term” may not be such a bad thing.
This Boot Camp thing is only a temporary fling to increase Mac sales for the short term.
Then BC will self-destruct. Or maybe, BC will expose all the security vulnerabilities in OS X. Or BC will double the price of already exorbitant Mac prices. Or BC will be blown away by a revolutionary Vista. Yah, that’s the ticket!
When the Vista PC’s roll out with DirectX used exclusively, Mac’s will be shut out of the game.
What the crap does that mean? Now that the .Net threat has withered, are you falling back to a previous technology? Just like Vista keeps dropping features. C’mon, Apple is MicroSoft’s anti-trust insurance. Just listen to MS’s French lawyer in the EU trials.
From a random blog:
I wouldn’t call [Vista] a “pipe dream.” I’ve seen Vista, it’s pretty nice. What needs to be remembered is how difficult it is to write an Operating System. OS/X is really just LINUX with a GUI on it. The GUI is the easy part; the underlying code is not. And let’s not forget that Mac hardware is limited; whereas the PC architecture is wide open. You can write a tighter, more stable OS, when you only have a limited hardware/device base to deal with.
One of the reasons Vista is taking so long is becuase it had to be written from the ground up; MS is not using the NT/XP code base for this. And as we’ve come to expect more and more of our computers over the years, the OS has to be more robust, dynamic, and adaptable. That just exponentially increases the complexity. As a programmer who’s been doing this for 15 years, I can tell you just how much more difficult it is to write applications these days. I can only imagine (and cringe) at the difficulty in writing an OS.
My gut tells me we’ll see more of a Windows back-end and an OS/X front-end in the years to come. If I have to predict the future, I think we’ll see the two OSes merge…the best features of each becoming part of something new.
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The notion that ANY iteration of an MS operating system being written from the ground up is laughable at best. I’ve looked at Vista. It looks like a rework XP lead by a new graphic designer. New “security” features that mimic OS X, built-in apps that mimic iLife, and layers and layers of what I can only refer to as “unnecessary.”
I cannot believe that the concept of “simple” is so out of reach for Microsoft.
I told a friend of mine (who is a Windows user and an I.T. teacher) about Boot Camp and asked whether she’d buy a mac that dual boots and her reaction was: “Why do you need two operating systems”.
Most Windows users will continuing whipping themselves because they don’t really know about macs and what they do know tends to be focused on price. And price to these people means the price of the computer not the overall software package that comes with the computer. Another view is that macs are only for graphic design and the like. Similarly they’ll never know anything else because Apple doesn’t advertise. Q.E.D.
Boot Camp will only really attract people who were considering a Mac in the first place but were in two minds about switching. The vast majority will continue to be unaware they even have a choice of OS’s (or even what an OS is, for that matter).
And forget about running Windows apps without Windows. That would contaminate Apple’s human interface guidelines. More likely is Apple releasing Yellow Box for Windows so developers can make cross-platform apps in Cocoa (as a condition of the license Apple could require the Mac version be included on the same disc as the Windows version). Don’t be surprised if Adobe is using Yellow Box to recompile Creative Suite.
And to think after all these years of the MS/Apple wars that Apple market share will be increased by WINDOWS USERS !!!
This is from an earlier post I wrote that was burried at the end of a different thread. This is a hard core windows user this story is about.
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MDN… I owe you an apology.
I’ve been one of the posters complaining about all of the boot camp articles…. but after today I’m gonna shut up about it.
My buddy came by today. A die hard windows user. You know the kind, takes every opportunity to email me any joke, article, or piece of negative Steve Jobs info he runs across on the net or about all things apple. A great guy, just miss-informed in the computer world.
Wellllll…. he came by today to watch the game. While he was here he complained about his nice and fairly new Dell Tower being dead, (and the horrible customer service he got on the phone last night), and his nice new Gateway laptop giving him trouble, (ditto on the bad customer service). He needed to finish a movie last night for his church to use this morning (using Vegas and Windows Movie Maker) and couldn’t get it done in time because of all of the struggles he was having.
Since we email windows/mac insults to each other back and forth, I send him references from MDN about all things Mac, recently about Boot Camp. He referenced this in our conversation about his troubles and what to do to fix it.
We took his data, imported it into iMovie 06 on my 20″ iMac G4, finished his project in just over an hour and burned his DVD. He can use it next week. In the course of our conversation I informed him about the speed increases in the new intel macs being 2 generations above the G4 performance he was seeing. He also asked me if the whole “xp on a mac thing” was for real.
We went to my business to check out the 20″ intel core duo, 2 gb ram, with windows xp loaded onto it.
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He freaked…. seriously….. he absolutely freaked out.
Straight to the apple store, bought the 20″ iMac, his other computer stuff is going on ebay tomorrow. He’s buying 2 gig of ram from Memory to Go.com. This is the last person I would have EVER, EVER expected to switch. To put it mildly… Hell is seriously frozen over tonight. It was Boot Camp that did it.
Here’s a direct quote… “it’s not Windows I’m afraid of letting go of, it’s all of the windows software I’ve got that I don’t want to have to re-buy or convert over. I can’t afford to spend those kind of bucks at the same time I’m buying a new computer. Now I don’t have to do that.”
MDN… my apologies. Boot Camp me to death
“Many pundits are betting that the new Intel Macs will revitalise Apple’s previously flagging PC market share…”
PC market share? Didn’t they know that MAC is an acronym for Mac Ain’t a pC? ;P
Andrew – but when OSX Leopard allows windows apps to run natively without Windows – what happens then eh?
DirectX 10 is Microsofts/proprietory and OpenGL will be running on top of it for a performance reduction.
Vista will use DirectX for all it’s fancy 3D eyecandy. Now how does one expect apple to be able to emply this API without the hardware?
PC video cards in Mac’s next? A very real reality now.
What the hell everything else in a Mac is a PC now.
To Jim – the independent voter: Your switcher story is one of the best threads I’ve read in a very long time. Seriously. Thank you.
In Japan they now try to sell Apple computers via Widnows XP.
Note all Macs in the store running Windows. Apple market share is going to zoom—-thanks to Microsoft!
Sigh Ah Nara
And Microsoft’s as happy, if not happier if it sells a full retail version to run on a Mac vs an OEM OS to run on a Dell…
Either way Microsoft’s chuckling all the way to the bank.
And if people are buying Macs, wiping OS X and running Windows on them, Apple’s chuckling all the way to the bank too.
Now if those people all migrated to OS X and didn’t buy Windows next time around, that might be an issue fro Microsoft.
But the reality is that the Mac shift to Windows is going to give more Mac customers and software developers a route out rather than Windows customers a route in.
I think you can look at this as Apple giving the market a chance to vote on the future of OS X.
It’ll be interesting to see which way it goes.