The Wall Street Journal has reported today in their Monday, June 6th edition that Apple Computer has been informing certain business partners about the company’s pending move from IBM to Intel processors.
“Apple will start shifting its Macintosh line next year to Intel chips, in a major change of strategy for the computer maker. The move could be a blow to IBM and Freescale, which now supply Apple’s PowerPC chips. Such a move could help Apple ensure that its Mac systems remain competitive with rivals like Dell Inc., of Round Rock, Texas. It could be a prelude to collaboration with Intel in developing new devices for homes and offices. And it might help Apple reduce its prices, a longstanding disadvantage; an industry executive suggested that the computer maker sought, and won, more-attractive chip prices from Intel than it could get from IBM, of Armonk, NY,” The Wall Street Journal reports.
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John Markoff and Steve Lohr report for The New York Times, “Steven P. Jobs is preparing to take an unprecedented gamble by abandoning Apple Computer’s 14-year commitment to chips developed by I.B.M. and Motorola in favor of Intel processors for his Macintosh computers, industry executives informed of the decision said Sunday… ‘This is a seismic shift in the world of personal computing and consumer electronics,’ said Richard Doherty, president of the Envisioneering Group, a Seaford, N.Y., computer and consumer electronics industry consulting firm. ‘It is bound to rock the industry, but it will also be a phenomenal engineering challenge for Apple.'”
Markoff and Lohr report, “the chips I.B.M. makes for Apple represent less than 2 percent of chip production at its largest factory in East Fishkill, N.Y… For I.B.M., the end of the Apple partnership means the loss of a prestigious customer, but not one that is any longer very important to I.B.M.’s sales or profits.”
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MacDailyNews Take: Whatever happens, remember what we’re fond of saying: it’s the OS, stupid.
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Oh well, so much for using a system NOT for everyone.
But I will never give up my Aston Martin DB9. So what if Ford owns the company…they still make less than 4K cars a year…
Be individual..
Ohh, the 1st post maybe??
This is not a rumor!
i am so depressed. it is now official… the computer is just a commodity.
The end of the IT-world as we know it….
It’s funny… the Intel chips aren’t cheaper, in fact Intel said they would not sell undercost like IBM and that’s the reason they lost the gaming machines. Well, after all is said and done, Steve REALLY knows how to play with our anticiaption like no other. With Wintel, they say what they might deliver in a few years… with Apple… we wait, imagine, wait and then…
Oh, the web’s gonna be busy this afternoon…
Jb
I am getting tired of this bullshit.
You can’t efficiently emulate PowerPC chips on Intel, cause Intel chips suck. So no virtual machine crossover.
OSX can be ported but since a chunk of the OS uses Altevic why would they rewrite to use a lesser system?(SSE)
Intel chips aren’t known for their power efficency, or heat disspation rates.
Half the reason OS X runs as well as it does, is because of the limited number of drivers the base system needs. You switch to x86 and you suddenly get windows BSOD’s. Apple on Power can demand specailly made ATI and nvidia cards. Apple on Intel can’t. So you end up having to support every idiots cheap knock-off card.
My bet is steve jobs is using this just to stick it to IBM, and the announcement will be for PCI-E or a short range Wi-Max for their streaming HD setup.
keep your head high… the processor does not make the computer. the OS does. Windows is the reason why Dells suck… not Dell.
Dell, makes crappy computers made of junkyard parts.
Well I was saving my money for a new 3.0 or maybe a 4.0 mhz but if they switch to a crappy intel chips . I’m buying a 2.7 one for sure now. Apple I think you make your first mistake
If the G5 used in Macs make up less than 2% of IBM’s chip production, imagine how much less percentage Apple would be for Intel. So how is switching to Intel going to improve this aspect of the problem? Wouldn’t Intel also put Apple on its list of low volume (i.e., back-burner) customers after the newness wears off, like it seems IBM has done?
Also, why would it take until next summer for Apple to produce a Mac Mini with Intel Inside? Surely the apps Apple bundles with the Mac wouldn’t take a full year to port over to another chip. The only thing about this 1 year delay that makes sense to me is that it will take Intel about that long to design its version of the PowerPC chip.
Steve is not stupid enough to alienate his developers and user base. It’s horrible marketing and he’s good at marketing.
In looking at the puzzle surrounding Apple’s rumoured shift to Intel, it’s worth wondering ‘who would benefit from such a fundamental shift?’ Or rather – ‘what’s in it… and for whom?’
If Apple’s move to Intel resulted in the major third-party software manufacturers – such as Adobe (inc Macromedia), Quark etc – needing only to build a SINGLE version of each of their products – with only minor adjustments, or a ‘patch’, for it to run on Mac – then they would see it as a HUGE saving in terms of the resources traditionally channelled into building completely separate – yet identical – versions of each title (one of which only goes to a small market).
The killer blow in this is that it would mean Windows users will ALSO be able to run those same third-party applications (which they already own and have invested heavily in) either in Windows… or directly in Mac OS X – with a simple ‘patch’ downloaded from the manufacturers.
The extent to which Apple licence out ‘MacIntel’ hardware to third-party manufacturers (to build MiniMac or MiniPCs for example) is another question. What IS clear is the anomaly in third-party software production which has its roots in the historical development of the Mac/PC platforms but which these days is outdated in ways which hurt – and hold back – BOTH the manufacturers AND Apple.
The paradox in resolving this anomaly for the restive software manufacturers (which has increasing hung over a tiny and ‘static’ Mac market-share) is that it ALSO allows Apple to kick open the door into the vast and creaking Windows universe and stake their rightful claim to be a part of the action. In completely getting rid of a need for ‘Mac’ version software, Apple’s next revolution will be to level the playing-field on which OS’s can compete… and the company is now pretty confident about who the winner will be (aside from the end-users)!
I don’t take the word of someone who spells IBM, I.B.M.
Sheesh, the hysteria is really sickening.
Why would Apple pass up on the Cell processor?
It’s the audio/video dream chip, infinite scaleable and fast as hell.
Even tho it has only been a couple of days, I am really getting tired of all the speculation. In just a few hours all will be made clear – we can start second guessing Apple’s move(s) AFTER we know what it really is.
If apple consumes 2% of IBM chip production and has a 2% share of the market does this mean that IBM 0wns the remaining 98% I don’t think this adds up, even allowing for faulty intel processors.
\o/ cheap Macs, yesssssssssssssss!!! \o/
Really making an {effort} here not to laugh at ‘it’s the OS, stupid’-spin. This is the end of the ‘Intel chips are inferior’ crap, zealots.
Be real, if (IF, I still have a hard time believing it) SJ announces MacOS on Intel, would he really be thinking something like ‘oh well, our product will run less well, but hooray for more sales’?
The only way this would work without losing millions of current (very loyal) customers is if the new machines allow PPC programs to run in emulation mode. Otherwise, the cost of a new Mac would be $xxx plus several hundred (or thousand) $$$ for software. It would be a nightmare. Moving from 9 to X was tough enough…but to a whole new chipset?
I don’t think Steve would do something this disruptive unless thay had a workable transition plan. I guess we’ll see in a few hours…
I think the key to this whole debacle is the phrase “Apple moving to Intel chips”. Here’s a scenario:
WSJ Reporter: So, I hear Apple’s moving to Intel?
Intel Exec: You didn’t hear it from me?
WSJ: Ok, but can you deny it?
Intel: I’m not denying anything or confirming anything?
WSJ: So Apple’s moving to Intel then?
Intel: As I said, you didn’t hear it from me.
So after four hours of repitition (er, conversation), the article comes out and the story is: “Apple moving to x86!”
I am still holding out that a move to Intel does not mean x86, and it’s very, very possible that there was never confirmation about x86 processors, just the switch to Intel chips. The rest, as they say, is journalism today, where 75% is passing.
Chins high everyone,
Lat I checked, the world was still spining on it’s axis this morning, and likely will tomorrow. We haven’t all heard the details here yet (and I think there is a lot to learn yet). We seem to be forgetting that Steve is a perfectionist (didn’t he have the Next engineers personally autograph the inside of every cube?). He is also a hardware guy (He tried to sell off the software portion of Pixar back in the day!) There is simply no way you are going to see some cheap grey plastic box coming out of 1 infitine loop anytime soon.
If we think back, it seems most point to Apple not liscensing its operating system as the dummest business decision of all time. I would say that it is closely followed by Next not doing the same thing in 1994 when Dell, etc. were seeking an alternative to Windows. Well, here we are in the same spot – perhaps Steve has learned and 3rd times a charm?
Personally though, I think there is so much more to than this than we can possibly imagine! By this evening we will all be typing here how amazing the proposition is. I may well be wrong, but my stand is Intel is going to do something special (not just for Apple, but more importantly (to them) to win back the gaming community). Just wait. real life is eving more fantastical than fiction!
The loser here is Microsoft. I don’t see any benefit to them no matter how big the gamble or payoff to Apple. Jobs gets economy of scale. levles the playing field, and stays with the market on chip upgrades.
I too am shocked and worried about the details..however, Jobs dreams big and he is running out of time to complete this greatest second act. Who knew that the man who was visionary to a fault would later become so steely-eyed and pragmatic later in life. Exciting to watch it unfold, huh?
MW: “stage” as in All the World…
>Just wait. real life is eving more fantastical than fiction!>
A marriage made in eving!
All the years of having this mock feeling of belonging to some type of “elite” computing niche is flushed down the toilet overnight. Thats what you get when you get when you give in to “brand loyalty”. YOU GET F*CKED FOR IT because there’s always some creepy high level executive that changes things to make more return (for the short run) regardless of reprocussions. Amazing!
So, Tiger with support of 64-bit goes down the toilet as well?
x86 still sucks, Tiger 64-bit support on old x86 means no support, nada. No 64-bit architecture (as in a G4).
If ever, it will be a x86-64 or a new generation of chips. Being Apple what it is it might be the first time Intel sucks less (doesn’t sucks would still be difficult) but SJ has to show that these new chips do scale, do have a better roadmap than G5/6, that already Tiger runs 30% faster in the labs on those than on a G5, that backward compatibility is fully ensured (a new meaning to the word ‘Classic’?) so that the switch for whoever doesn’t care, doesn’t want to know, is totally transparent.
Then, given that, AAPL goes to $75.
I really hope it’s not as bad as I think it is.
The Intel architecture sucks. Hopefully they are just making the PPC chips…hopefully.
Let’s face it IBM, Intel, it doesn’t matter. Apple will never get the product it wants when it wants it unless Apple has its OWN engineers working inside the division! No more of this we hit the wall BS. Apple needs to begin having a direct hand in the creation of its own processors.
IN 3:45 HOURS YOU WILL AL LEARN THAT YOUR PRECIOUS MACS ARE NOTHING MORE THEN COMMODITIES. IT’S GOING TO BE FUN WATCHING YOU EAT CROW AND ENBRACE THE INTEL CHIPSET. JOIN THE HERD
I don’t care what happens if it means a chance for Apple to get more market share. I’m not an elitist, I want as many people as possible to enjoy the Mac experience — just like I love how most music players sold are iPods.
This fucking sucks.
Hopefully it is either something mild, like Intel is just making PPC chips.
Or Apple has something huge coming down the pipe that doesn’t risk the entire Mac platform.
So Apple has 2% of the computing market according to the media. Apple also apparently accounts for 2% of IBM’s chip production. Does that not mean that IBM make all the chips in the world?
Not buying into the hysteria of all this hoopla, I’ll just wait and see.
But the scariest thing about such move if it happened is that the entire computer industry would have all its eggs in one chip-basket.
I know. There is AMD. But……
Competition is what fuels a free-market economy. Remember how bad the post office was before FudEx and PhewPS were allowed to compete?
Wait. Bad example, the PO is still screwed up.
Goodbye Altivec/VMX, you will be missed. 🙁
^^^^
The saddest part of this whole deal.
For those Mac Faithful…. stay tuned
For the PC goons… It isn’t about the CHIPS, STUPID!! It’s about the Software and the experience.
If only you all knew the TRUTH… the song you’re singing might be different!
“So Apple has 2% of the computing market according to the media. Apple also apparently accounts for 2% of IBM’s chip production. Does that not mean that IBM make all the chips in the world?”
“If apple consumes 2% of IBM chip production and has a 2% share of the market does this mean that IBM 0wns the remaining 98% I don’t think this adds up, even allowing for faulty intel processors.”
IBM also makes chips that ARE NOT PERSONAL COMPUTER PROCESSORS!
Let the world know…just found this!
http://www.cafepress.com/compapple
It has been said before that Steve Jobs is a “hardware agnostic”, so a move to Intel is at least plausible. But Mr. Jobs is also no fool and I expect that Apple has a plan in place to make the transition as smooth as possible for all players involved — if this rumored Intel move proves true.
Wow, I really wish I hadn’t just read iCon. It really shakes my idealistic beliefs in Steve Jobs abilities (which is good), but it makes me have a lot less faith in these types of deals. This could be the begining of one of Apple’s finest hours or it’s absolute worst. SJ reminds me of the type of poker player who goes all-in so often that it’s great and exciting to watch, especially because of how often he comes away doubling up. Each time it gets harder to explain away with a good deal of luck. In the end though all it takes is one time that the cards don’t hold up. One time with these dramatic moves.
Also, I wonder if this helps explain the total lack of advertising for the G5 and OS X? How long ago was the PPC written off as the future? Was it way back when it became apparant that IBM would not hit the 3 GHZ target in 12 months? If so then everything from the time they decided this to now has been a smoke screen, a procession to a dead end. What’s the point of a marketing blitz to encourage more people to move to a system. Those are all more people you will alienate down the road when you ask them to now move back to Intel, upgrade it all again.
This whole thing is exactly why the super success of the iPod scared me a lot. Every time MDN reported the phenomenal rise of the iPod I had a nagging fear that Apple might stop thinking it needs the Mac as much as I do anymore. The iPod is temporary though. In 20 years it’ll be a footnote. Don’t get me wrong I love my iPod but I love my Mac much much more. Hopefully the Mac as we know it does not lose it’s soul in this deal.
Looking at the transitive website, they already have a high profile customer for this Quicktransit program.
‘Transitive® Corporation’s QuickTransit™ Software Released to Production in Silicon Graphics Prism Visualization System for Linux’
Quicktransit was developed in Manchester uni in the UK interestingly enough.
It’s quite exciting the possibilities this creates. Apple have an x86 version of osX and all the old software still works and works well. Not only that we can now run windows software aswell with a WINE type bit of software. Many more people would be able to switch to macs as a result. There would be a level playing field between windows and oSX, with no reason left to stay with windows.
So Apple talked with its partners about an Intel shift…
With the rumors flying, I’m sure “the shift” was a topic of conversation – but we don’t know what the extent of the shift is. It’s our fertile imaginiations (or lack thereof) that pushes the direction of the shift at the moment.
So of course this rumor is correct!
FACE THE FACTS –
It’s about the total solution (OS included), dummy. As somebody else said, I don’t care if there are two gerbils inside the box as long I get the best solution there is. Sorry, Windows doesn’t qualify for me.
“IT’S GOING TO BE FUN WATCHING YOU EAT CROW AND ENBRACE THE INTEL CHIPSET. JOIN THE HERD”
Oh no it won’t be – when you realize that Intel will put huge resources into showing what they can do with the best OS in the world. It will put all of Windows’ 47 million lines of code where it belongs – on the floor under the pile of Longhorn shite!
IBM have blown it with just too many projects in too many directions. In the end satisfying Apple was too much trouble for the return it gave them.
Intel have lot’s to offer and this will ensure Apple wins the home entertainment game as it has the music game. The rest will follow.
Look at this about their new Yonah chip: http://news.com.com/Intel+spills+beans+on+Yonah,+the+next+notebook+chip/2100-1006_3-5729925.html?part=rss&tag=5729925&subj=news
Interesting to hear so many people say ” this will be the biggest disaster OR the most amazing move SJ ever made”.
Well it’s correct that NO-ONE can judge this -only time will tell. What you can do is have faith in the man who has done so well so far. And much better that Apple moves than stagnates with IBM as an uncommitted partner.
I THINK INTEL WILL BE MAKING PPC CHIPS FOR APPLE!!!! STAY TUNED!
Computers running OS X would mean that the OS could be sold to Windows users, where the market for a new OS that works would justify working with Intel to produce an OS optimized for the latest Intel chip plans. Selling the OS and retaining the Mac customers on the IBM platform might be the plan, which would mean that Apple could threaten Microsoft’s massive OS market without producing a single Intel based Mac….and the OS for Intel could be somewhat less capable than the OS for IBM chips…what it would mean is that new Mac customers might buy Intel based computers instead of IBM ones, so Apple would lose out on the profit (if any) from selling computers, but would still get the profit from selling the OS. This way, whichever chip advances the most, is what the customer will be able to buy. So that’s what I would do in the catbird seat at Apple. We will know forthwith…as I write this at ll40 EST
Intel fabbing PPC’s for Apple, Apple making an iPod like consumer device with an Intel chip in it, or News.com.com trolling for hits and internet infamy are the only sane answers to this switch to Intel Bullsh*t.
I hope there are some PowerPC chips in Intel’s future. I don’t want no stinking x86 chip as the brain of my machine.
I’m getting so dizzy trying to figure out what’s going to happen to my favorite computer company.
All I know that this is very disruptive and might prove to be Jobs’ best move ever and one that will go down in the (computer) history books.
first Jobs will announce the Intel partnership — then he will annouce the first ever Intel/Mac hardware “MacTab” as in the tablet for the rest of us…the tablet will be the first Mac on Intel…it will be the final string that pulls the wool over our eyes…dooms day is near.
adios
BUY SHARES IN INTEL NOW!!!
If this rumours true the motherlode of share rises is about to land!!
There’s gold in them there chips!!!
If you have IBM shares – youre gonna be bankrupt by the end of the keynote!