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Anticipation, rumors build ahead of Apple CEO Steve Jobs’ June 6 WWDC keynote – May 27, 2005
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mw: book. As in,”Look over there, it’s a book!”
here’s news:
mac users are idiots.
hehehe, that was pretty funny stanheman.
More like the coming wave will be the final coffin in the Apple story, much like the poor souls that ventured out onto the laid bare beaches before the sweep of the tsunami.
Mac users are those poor souls now, observing the exposed sea bed before the tide of Longhorn and .Net sweeps over them.
As I’ve explained ad naseum I’m sure, .Net will simply change the e and real commerce world in ways that Mac users could never understand.
It will be the next revolution.
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I’ll paraphrase Obi Wan Kenobi just for you, Stantheman
“Who is more the idiot – the idiot or the idiot who follows him to MDN?”
Piss off you little troll.
says the guy named “Jimbo von Winskinheimer”
I hope that is not your real name.
I’m sure your Mac user family named you that retarded name. I guess your name foreshadowed your future life as a mac zealot.
got that right… big drought…. haven’t seen anything interesting in a week… and i am #1
Here’s news:
PC users consistantly read the Mac News sites. Are they trying to tell us something & it’s a cry for help?
Stantheman:
Definition of idiot,”… simple person, as distinguished from the educated”.
Definition of stupid, “… M$ Windows user…!
One who keeps supporting an inferior product, that justifies the over 70,000 plus virus and trojans affecting the systems and wallets, as part of every day computer use! Yeah right!
Funny how Billy’s biatches are always showing at this site, must be pennis envy!
pen is envy.
name the reference for that phrase, cedreca, I dare you.
.NET has been around for years and still does not dominate. Why? Because it is only one of many frameworks some of which are much older and far more developed. The best frameworks allow systems of total scalability and multiple platforms. .NET does neither which is why it will never dominate.
Anybody who thinks that Windows is the best thing since sliced bread is a total loser. Windows is ok in its place but it is still only a narrow technological sector.
As for Windows Longhorn having support for digital raw images, well I hate to break it to you followers of MickeySoft, but Apple users have had this capability for many years. I guess you can’t help but copy parts of a better system.
Its pretty obvious that grammer school is out…
Let´s start our own rumors!!!
Uh…here´s mine: how about nothing ew nwill be announced at WWDC?
Just blah, blah, blah about the last blah,blah,blah.
that´s “nothing new”, not “nothing ew n”
Darn keyboard…
Sputnik said “As I’ve explained ad naseum I’m sure, .Net will simply change the e and real commerce world in ways that Mac users could never understand. It will be the next revolution.”
– errrr… this would be the same revolutionary .Net framework that Longhorn was going to be based on, and which has now just been yanked out of Longhorn would it? More evolutionary dead end than revolutionary, I’d say.
Keep waiting for longhorn… I think your wait time is down to 17 months.
Barring anymore setbacks. chuckle
How is MS going to sell an OS based on security? That’s not a sexy sell.
I dont see tons of XP folks running out for the OS. They’ll get it once they upgrade hardware. Even then the security will not be as good as OSX
I’ll keep my OSX that was built by my hardware MFR.
Bolt on Operating syatems are not for me, Thank’s anyway Mr. Gates.
So you can take that longhorn and stick to the Microsoft faithful.
*sigh*
Why are any of you feeding the trolls? (PS. sputnik isn’t exactly one).
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I have to wonder if the lack of pre-WWDC rumours is due to a directive from Steve: “leak information and your head will be on a platter, and the drinking glass will be filled with your ….” well, you get the idea.
>>> Like the ocean being sucked out before a large wave
great analogy … I was feeling it also.
Cedreca,
I take offense at your implication that since I continue to use Windows in addition to my Mac, that I am by definition a stupid person. So I must be stupid for believing that the quality and success of my life is not determined merely by the products I use. So the few billion of us that don’t govern our lives by every product that comes out of a profit-seeking corporation are stupid for having other priorities in life. Congratulations then on your being such a superior human being. Perhaps if I were able to emulate your pride and ego, I might too become a better person like yourself.
MDN lost for words? Never thought I’d see the day!
Hell (magic word) hath frozen over
tomramsey,
My inner pedant awakes. You mean “it’s” and “grammar”.
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stantheman,
The phrase is from Margaret Atwood’s “The Handmaid’s Tale” (1986).
“pen is envy” is a pun on Freud’s “penis envy,” the notion that women who want to be like men are neurotic.
Oh, come on now, MDN! Can’t you find any of those thrilling stories of a school in Podunk, Tennessee, that just bought a Mac? Or how Pixar just updated RenderMan?
How will the Mac community survive without this important information?!
Camus, needless to say you are absolutely right.
Most of the time I’m humored by the OS warriors. I think they’re silly and amusing, and frequently childish and immature. Except for a rare and occasioned well reasoned argument, they are no different that any of the European soccer hooligans or the rabid Yankee/Redsox hating madfans so close to me. They make their noise to achieve their sense of belonging to a common and greater cause.
I wonder how demonstrative they would continue to be if they couldn’t avail themselves to the anonimity of a screen name.
Well, with the absence of anytihng Mac-like. Let’s talk about something else.
I’ll start, and with a nice geeky subject. Now that it appears the BBC has successfully redone Dr. Who, does anyone agree they should do a similar reworking of Blakes 7?
Thank you Sputnik for setting me straight about how good Longhorn will be with the .NET framework. I will now prepare to migrate to that superior platform.
What? You say that it is not available yet? What? You also say that it won’t actually have that .NET framework? What? You also tell me that most of the features that Microshit has been advertising over the past 5 years have been pulled?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/dotnet_longhorn/
Funny, a guy who calls himself stantheman makes fun of MY name?!?!
A copyright? He used a copyright for that? Sheesh! Go out and get some sun already!
I am glad at least one of your macheads is well read. Yes, it is from Atwood. I’m sure that zealot cedera was googling like crazy to get the answer.
Yeah but macs only have one mouse button. Every other operating system uses mice with at least 7 buttons. :-]
I think it’s interesting that there are Microslothers spewing vitriol on MDN.
As for Sputnik:
“More like the coming wave will be the final coffin in the Apple story, much like the poor souls that ventured out onto the laid bare beaches before the sweep of the tsunami.”
I think you meant to say “the final nail in Apple’s coffin” but you were to enraged to think before you typed.
As for “.Net will simply change the e and real commerce world in ways that Mac users could never understand,”
There are a lot of things MS does that Mac users either don’t understand, or are completely baffled by, but overall it comes down to this one thing: “Why would you repeatedly punish your users like that?”
Let’s look at Longhorn’s main feature:
-It’s not here yet…
I think we may see Apple move more towards video. Adding video to Airport Express. Introducing a new Airport Express Remote. Perhaps adding video to the iTunes store. They already have music videos – so TV shows and movies may not be that much of a stretch.
I used to think .Net was going to take over too. Now I’m not so sure. I’m a mainframe programmer and I’ve worked on a lot of projects with web/GUI interfaces to a legacy/mainframe back-end. It used to be (mid-1990’s) the rage was C++. Then Oracle. Then Java. Then .Net. They all seem to be the rage for a year or two and then fall out of favor. On the C++ project, the code had “memory leaks” and caused people to have to do a cold boot. It was unacceptable for CSRs to have to do a cold boot while taking calls. Oracle just seemed too slow to replace a mainframe database like DB2. Java seems like it might have been slow too. I’m not sure about .Net. I’ve always been on the mainframe side of these projects – so my information is limited. I’d like to know what the pro’s and con’s are of some of these platforms are.
One thing is for sure…
Steve has never disappointed the crowd during a keynote speech.
“Secure all sunglasses, bags and other items. Pull down on the harness and keep all hands inside the car while the coaster is in motion. Enjoy the ride!”
Steve is going to have to stream his keynote live if he really wants to prove to the world the quality and speed of QuickTime using H.264. Then compare the ease of production/broadcast and the cost of licensing it to Real and Microsoft.
Blakes 7? Anyone?
I’ll take that as a “no”then.
Ignore trolls, they mean nothing and are sad people.
Ignore WWDC too unless you’re a developer. Big product announcements aren’t all that likely.
>tomramsey,
My inner pedant awakes. You mean “it’s” and “grammar”. >
Brits can spell. Well, old ones can.
Sputnik,
If by ad nauseum you mean you make us sick, yes, you’ve done that over and over again with your lame trolling.
Get some facts bozo. Nobody here believes a word you say, because you have ZERO credibility. Go troll the nursing home web sites for a while. The alzheimer’s patients there may believe something you say.
Sputnik,
If by ad nauseum you mean you make us sick, yes, you’ve done that over and over again with your lame trolling.
Get some facts bozo. Nobody here believes a word you say, because you have ZERO credibility. Go troll the nursing home web sites for a while. The alzheimer’s patients there may believe something you say.
Sputnik,
If by ad nauseum you mean you make us sick, yes, you’ve done that over and over again with your lame trolling.
Get some facts bozo. Nobody here believes a word you say, because you have ZERO credibility. Go troll the nursing home web sites for a while. The alzheimer’s patients there may believe something you say.
Juniper Titswiggle- now THAT’S a good screen name!
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Ignore,
No big product announcements? You mean two years ago the G5 wasn’t big?
>>> Like the ocean being sucked out before a large wave
I can’t wait to ride that wave when it comes in.
A great Tsunami that will wipe out Redmond.
Hopefully it will wash a few trolls out of these forums as well.
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+submits+antitrust+proposal/2100-1014_3-5727438.html?tag=html.alert
… update … Apple Computer has filed its latest attempt to comply with Europe’s antitrust ruling, getting its proposal in mere hours before the deadline set by authorities.
A European Commission representative told ZDNet UK on Wednesday that Apple Computer met Tuesday’s deadline for submissions but that European authorities need to examine Microsoft’s proposal to see whether the company has complied fully with the conditions laid out in the original antitrust ruling.
“We were in contact with Apple Computer until late in the evening yesterday and will now carefully analyze what’s on the table to assess whether or not they have complied with the March 2004 decision,” the representative said.
If the Commission finds that Apple Computer has failed to comply, the software giant could face fines of up to $5 million daily.
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Yes, I guess it is a slow news day. <sigh>
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I take it there’ll be no web cast of Jobs’ keynote?
Owing to memory lapse, were previous WWDC keynotes webcast?
Slow news day???
MDN.. I’ve got an idea… Why don’t you tell us about the “Special Deals” at the Apple Store again?? It’s been about three days since you’ve spammed us with that info!
Sputnik can find the © sign on the keyboard.
He is either a Windows Guru who could be behind the counter at a Microsoft Store, if Microsoft has stores, or he is just another Mac user.
Yes, we are running low on Microsoft news this week, check back tommorrow for more !!!!!
Oh, and to all of the apple fans out there…
The MDN stands for Microsoft Daily News…
Making an analogy to a natural disaster that slaughtered many thousands of people is about as tasteless and crass as you can get. You need professional help.
As I’ve tried to explain (ad nauseum) to my dear pupil, sputnik, even our cosmonaught’s motherland, and indeed most of the world simply says dot Nyet!
But hey, ces’t la vie, that’s “life”.
I suppose I should really get back to work, shortly …’
http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/9378
http://www.igeek.com/articles/Humor/Religious/Jobs+and+Satan.humor
http://www.zpub.com/un/bill/bill-humor.html
http://www.units.muohio.edu/psybersite/cyberspace/msfuture/humor.shtml
“I take it there’ll be no web cast of Jobs’ keynote?
Owing to memory lapse, were previous WWDC keynotes webcast?”
Yes, both the 2003 and 2004 Keynotes were webcasted. However, the 2004 Keynote was not broadcasted live, but rather several hours after the event. I don’t remember about the 2003 event.
If I were a total and complete moron, what I would do is go on PC news sites (yawn) and taunt the PC fans. ‘stantheman’ is that type of brave person, it would seem.
I wouldn’t be caught dead in a PC news ‘forum’. What a utter waste of time.
I would hazard a guess that the conversations usually revolve around which antivirus software is being used with the least ineffectiveness, and which of the malware is currently hurting peoples PCs. Just think, we too could be those poor souls. But we’re not. We are Mac users.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
‘stantheman’ is to be pitied, not replied to.
Ok.
Let’s get it right.
It’s Micros**t.
Ok? Micros**t
Not Micro$oft, M$, Mickeysoft, (although that’s a good one!) nor is it Microflop or anything else.
It’s Micros**t.
That’s the best one out there and I want to see it being used.
ok?
News drought?
http://www.macsurfer.com/ should keep you busy.
the June announcements will be huge..
macnut222, thanx for the reminder. much appreciated
gee i think i will add my 2 cents of nothingness crap just like everyone above me did on this list.
Here’s some news you’ll never find headlining MDN:
“Single Chip Dual Core Pentium 3.2Ghz beats Mac G5 in most tests, costs $1000 less.”
http://www.digitalpostproduction.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=32744-1
…At $3496, it’s more than $1000 cheaper than the dual Xeon 3.6 Dell Precision workstation 470 we tested earlier, and it’s also more than $1000 cheaper than the Mac dual G5 2.7GHz machine. It’s remarkable to test a new product with faster performance at a price that’s about 25% cheaper. Compared to the dual Xeon machine, the performance was roughly the same on many benchmarks, but significantly better on others. And compared to the Mac, particularly in the CineBench benchmarks and the TotalBenchmark Comp 2 scores, the Mac fell way behind while still costing over $1000 more. ….
Now this is only with ONE dual core chip. Two dual cores (especially an Opteron) is just slaughter. Somehow I dont think IBM will come to Apple’s rescue anytime soon. LOL.
“Making an analogy to a natural disaster that slaughtered many thousands of people is about as tasteless and crass as you can get. You need professional help.”
I wasn’t making an anology to the tsunami that hit South East Asia. If I was, I agree that would be tasteless.
Sammy,
You’d be surprised what you’ll find in headlines at MDN:
Apple Power Mac G5 Dual 2.7GHz vs Dell Xeon Dual 3.6GHz – Wednesday, May 25, 2005
Sammy,
I know I wouldn’t buy memory from Apple like these guys did. But if one spec’ed out the G5 with 400GB drive, the most expensive video card (unlike the <$200 card in the new Dell), and 4GB of Crucial RAM, I get $4250, not $4600. Drop the drive and video card and the price is $3600. Or add a pair of 80GB (only?) 10Krpm drives and RAID stripe them and see how the disk performance changes (they should compare using similar HW configs).
Now add in 2GB of Crucial RAM for the PC to bring it up to 4GB like the others, and the price rises to $3976. Suddenly the $1000 difference might actually go in the other direction…
I won’t dispute the test numbers as reported, though. I would like to see tests with similar RAM configurations, comperable video, and disk arrays. Nobody would do any remotely serious home video editing on 160GB of total disk space…
Hey Sammy,
The CineBench 2003 benchmark – this ISN’T the one optimized for the G5 is it?… And you talk of comparing apples to apple on benchmarks….
Worst MDN article, every.
“Hopefully this slowness ends ASAP!”
That is the worst writing I have seen in some time. What, did the high school interns take over MDN.
No Mac news indeed.
Adobe After Effects is supposed to have OpenGL support for a limited series of Mac video cards. The tested card in the 2.7GHz G5 System is an nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL – which is NOT on the supported list of video cards for After Effects. If you are unsure if this is true, please read: http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/opengl.html and http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=32620-1
So is this a fair benchmark? It seems the TotalBenchmark is also based upon After Effects. For a video card that is not on the supported list, the numbers are impressive. The FireGL cards used in the dual-core PC is listed.
I now question the validity of the benchmark testing that Sammy is so proud to push in our faces. And I wonder if this comparison is really fair. For After Effects 5.5, Adobe did not support Macs with dual processor (only one was used for rendering). I hope the latest versions now do. If they don’t, one can imagine the rendering power available to application that does – like Final Cut Pro.
Awwww, bless ’em… stantheman, G-spank and Sputnik…
They’re like MDNs very own court jesters to keep us entertained when nothing else is on!
Can I come work for MDN, too?
-There is no news.
-There is still no news.
-No, nothing yet.
Stay tuned to MDN, people, your primary online source for no news!!
I hope you noticed the dual core Pentium EE used 533Mhz DDR2 memory….put standard 400MHZ DDR memory in their (same as Mac), the price drops by about several hundred dollars.
And why put ram in from Crucial? This was supposed to be a direct purchase comparison….however if you want to add third party replacements, you might as well do the same for the Dell, or simply just build the PC from scratch…and I guarantee you your attempts to price-favor the Mac will surely fail.
Any which way you try to put the spin on it, the dual core chip still came out on top with good performance/price compared to the latest Macs.
Sammy,
Any comments about the impact of After Effect reliance on OpenGL and the fact that the Macs weren’t ordered with a video card that was on the After Effects supported list?
It’s rather like somebody going to buy a new vehicle to go 4-wheeling and didn’t both buying 4-wheel drive. You can’t blame the manufacturer for that one. You blame the dummy that didn’t buy the proper parts. These guys doing the testing didn’t do the correct ordering for the purpose at hand.
With the RAM, these guys even said (when the did the 2.7GHz G5 test) that they wouldn’t have bothered buying RAM from Apple. I picked Crucial because their quality is great and their prices reasonable and the comparison fair.
If you want to add 400Mhz DDR memory in the PC go ahead and report your test numbers. You can drop the price further still by putting in a slower processor. Rather defeats the purpose don’t you think?
I never quibbled with the results as posted. I’m just saying test platforms similarly (and correctly) configured for the task at hand. You want to use RAID 0? Then configure the Mac the same as the PC (or the PC the same as the Mac). You want to use an After Effects/OpenGL test bench, then use video cards likely to be used by somebody using After Effects. Seriously, would you buy a video card that wasn’t fully supported by the application on which your income depended? These items are all direct purchase, too.
Bandit Bill:
My tsunami comment was directed at Sputnik. Ad nauseam (To a disgusting or ridiculous degree; to the point of nausea.) is right.
Sickening and pathetic troll.
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Just because the 6800 Ultra is listed on “unsupported”, doesn’t mean the card was hampered in any way. If anything, it was an advantage considering its sheer processing power. The fact that OpenGL was used means nothing was even amiss, as Nvidia fully supports all OpenGL extensions. Notice ATI’s entire X800 series line is missing as well.
What you have is simply a matter of time before these latest graphics cards are added to the list, as the chart specifically says cards will be added as they are tested. You’re argument is based on very flimsy grounds, which will break once the latest generation of ATI/Nvidia cards are added to the list.
Just browse the after effects support forums. Plenty of users utilizing the 6800 and X800 series with no problems.
Which now brings us back to the main point, the 6800 Ultra is actually an advantage. Swap in any of the lesser “supported” graphics cards, you may end up with a much lower score. Be careful what you wish for.
“With the RAM, these guys even said (when the did the 2.7GHz G5 test) that they wouldn’t have bothered buying RAM from Apple. I picked Crucial because their quality is great and their prices reasonable and the comparison fair.
If you want to add 400Mhz DDR memory in the PC go ahead and report your test numbers. You can drop the price further still by putting in a slower processor. Rather defeats the purpose don’t you think?”
You’re trying to have it both ways, you can’t. Maneuver the G5 pricing all you want, it will NOT end up a better price/performance ratio than the dual core Pentium….that’s just going to be something you’ll have to accept until Apple improves their current lineup.
“I never quibbled with the results as posted. I’m just saying test platforms similarly (and correctly) configured for the task at hand. You want to use RAID 0? Then configure the Mac the same as the PC (or the PC the same as the Mac). You want to use an After Effects/OpenGL test bench, then use video cards likely to be used by somebody using After Effects. Seriously, would you buy a video card that wasn’t fully supported by the application on which your income depended? These items are all direct purchase, too.”
You can’t get over the fact the dual core Pentium whipped the G5 with less memory, and a weaker video card can you? You will be a mighty unhappy camper the next few months as more dual core offerings come to the table, especially AMD’s which are less expensive and more powerful than their Intel counterparts.
Why don’t you check barefeat’s latest Mac vs PC page? About as similar as you get, prices have obviously changed, yet the outcome still puts the G5 at the bottom of the barrel.
“Be careful what you wish for”
Well, I never said the the unsupported cards worked poorly (as you can see from the results as posted). What I said was that the card used was not one Adobe had listed as a supported model. And Adobe refers to this list pretty strictly with OpenGl issues (particularly nVidia driver versions). The FireGl being a weaker video card to the 6800? Not if the application used as a benchmark doesn’t properly support the 6800.
Fine, drop the 6800 in the PC. Frankly I’d love to see a comparison with the RAM, drive array, and video card inconsistencies removed. I frankly don’t need the power that either of these systems provide. And that isn’t a cop-out.
The RAM issue – I’m not having it both ways. You want higher performance gear, you tend to pay more for those parts. That’s a fact of life. In my example, I added 2GB of RAM to the PC using fair pricing and also used the same fair pricing to fill out the G5 (unlike Apple’s gouging for RAM which priced and available for the fools wishing to 2x overpay for what you buy at Crucial). BTW, the tests run aren’t impacted by 2GB or 4GB. But the price of the system is, and that was part of the argument. So either drop the Apple system’s price accordingly or up the PC price accordingly.
If you wanted to get more fair, add in pricing for FireWire800, optical line-in/out, etc. Then what we have are the essential difference between the systems.
That is what I’m looking for.
And frankly, I have no idea how you equated my comment of “I never quibbled with the results as posted. ..would you buy a video card that wasn’t fully supported by the application on which your income depended?” to me not being able to “get over the fact the dual core Pentium whipped the G5 with less memory, and a weaker video card can you?”
If I were in the market for a PC and saw a benchmark utilizing unsupported gear for an application on which my income depended, I would have the same, legitamate, questions. Would you buy a video card that didn’t perform as well with game that played the most for your gaming-specific PC?
As for being unhappy? It depends on what is available when I next need to purchase a computer. But somehow, I think your tears of joy won’t translate into tears of sadness for PowerMac users quite as quickly and extensively as you hope.
Zupchuck, I understand your point concerning both options and pricing. We could argue back and forth, changing the overall value to what we see fit as we debate what options should go in and out, or what options even matter.
If you have issue with this particular benchmark suite, I suggest you mention it to the article writer. Other than that, you can’t deny the dual core Pentium is quite a decent bang for your buck value, no matter how you strip it, even compared to last year’s Xeons let alone the Mac.
Keep in mind this pricing for new technology, which are generally high after initial launch. If history is anything, you will see these prices drop significantly over the next few months (considering, a dual core chip doest not incur a great manufacturing cost compared to a single core chip).
MicroShaft always finds a way to force users to switch to the latest crap they glued together. O you want a secure browser sorry but firefox doesn’t work on LH. For example.