In Time Magazine’s July 19 issue, on page 31, John Kerry is seen using an Apple PowerBook (15″ TiBook, it looks like). The photo, taken by Diana Walker, is captioned “From his study in the family’s Pittsburgh, PA, home, Kerry phones Edwards to officially invite the North Carolina Senator to be his running mate.” This comes on the heels of the report, “Vice President Dick Cheney a confirmed Apple iPod user” and, of course we all know that, at least back in 1998 when the photo of Bush was snapped, President Bush uses a PowerBook, too. That just leaves V.P. candidate John Edwards’ choice of platform in question.
MacDailyNews Take: You’d think that with Apple CEO Steve Jobs advising John Kerry and with Al Gore on Apple’s Board of Directors, Steve could figure out a way to get Kerry a new 17″ PowerBook – at least for photo ops.
Update: Updated PowerBook model speculation as per Seahawk’s post below.
Related MacDailyNews articles:
Conservative Mac users miffed at Apple’s Jimmy Carter page – October 14, 2002
The Mac is Bush to Windows’ Clinton – October 25, 2002
Bush-Cheney ’04 Re-election website adds QuickTime multimedia choice – April 27, 2004
Okay, I spoke too soon.
Neomonkey, it does your credibility (assuming anyone thinks you had any in the first place) no good to whine about “lies” from the Bush supporters and then proceed to spew a laundry list of easily debunked fabrications of your own. To wit:
NM: This is wrong [that only 2 senators have won the White House] from the start, as LBJ was elected in 1964.
Let’s try to be a little less obtuse okay? The context is the Kerry/Edwards ticket: 2 STANDING Senators. Only 2 standing senators have won the WH, while a total of 15 held the job but went on to other things before taking the presidency. THE POINT is that current senators rarely win the WH. The real argument is that one has a better likelihood of winning the presidency as an ex-senator than as a standing senator. (for a list see next post)
NM: Kerry did not vote to invade Iraq. He voted to give the president the power to deal with the huge threat that was Saddam Hussein.
Nice parsing. He voted for the resolution, he can’t and isn’t running away from that vote. He says he would vote for the war again TODAY. On this point, Kerry disagrees with you (although he may agree with you tomorrow, who knows?)
NM: Nobody who voted for Gore in 2000 is going to vote for Bush.
Really, so you know more than every political analyst living today? Amazing. Of course, there is NO WAY that you can make this claim. Indeed, it is a ludicrous prediction on many fronts. Given that there are bound to be those who voted for Gore who see Kerry as the most liberal senator in the country a certain percentage of voters will likely align with the more moderate Bush this time around.
NM: So Kerry already has the popular vote.
I would bet a C Bill that you are absolutely wrong on this front. However, I don’t claim to have the knowledge of the future that you claim to have so I won’t.
NM: Florida’s electoral votes will go to Kerry (as they should have gone to Gore).
How do you figure? The 2000 Florida vote was recounted by numerous organizations including the far Left-wing rag, the New York Times. Bush won the Florida popular vote each time. This is well documented. You do understand that if you win a state’s popular vote you get its electoral votes don’t you? Hence, by your logic, Florida will clearly go to Bush again this time.
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(cont. from above)
NM: That’s why the Republicans are floating this notion of postponing the election.
Tom Ridge is ONE Republican and he was inquiring about whether Homeland Security would have authority to postpone the election just like it was postponed in New York on September 11th. On a purely political calculation I would definitely want the election to go on. Look at the pro Bush sentiment after 9/11. Not only that, the next terrorist attack is going to be in a heavily Democrat area like New York, SF, or LA. I will guarantee if there is an attack just prior to November 2nd, it will be the Democrats who will be demanding that the election be postponed.
NM: The poisonous spewings of right wing demagogues have toxified political debate into a us versus them struggle to the death.
Hmm, did Whoopi Goldbrick, Michael Moore, the Dixie Chicks, et al, suddenly become right wingers? I must have missed that.
-B
P.S. Thanks for the Bill Clinton quote. It really helped your argument about the need for truthfulness in government leadership
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So much for the theory that only good guys use Macs…
Presidential Occupations
Here are the governmental positions held just prior to reaching the presidency:
George Washington — General
John Adams (1797-1801) — VP
Thomas Jefferson (1801-09)– VP
James Madison (1809-17) — Cab Sec (State)
James Monroe (1817-25) — Cab Sec (State)
John Quincy Adams (1825-29) — Cab Sec (State)
Andrew Jackson (1829-37) — Senator (4 years prior to President)
Martin Van Buren (1837-41) — Cab Sec (State)
William Henry Harrison (1841) — Ambassador to Columbia
John Tyler (1841-45) — VP
James Polk (1845-49)– Gov (Tenn)
Zachary Taylor (1849-50) — General
1850-1901
Millard Fillmore (1850-53) — VP
Franklin Pierce (1853-57) — Senate (11 years prior)
James Buchanan (1857-61) — Ambassador to England
Abraham Lincoln (1861-65) — Rep (12 years prior)
Andrew Johnson (1865-69) — VP
Ulysses S. Grant (1869-77) — General
Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81) — Gov (Ohio)
James A. Garfield (1881) — Senate
Chester A. Arthur (1881-85) — VP
Grover Cleveland (1885-89) — Gov
Benjamin Harrison (1889-93) — Senate (2 years prior)
Grover Cleveland (1893-97) — President (4 years prior)
William McKinley (1897-1901) — Gov (Ohio)
1901-2001
Theodore Roosevelt (1901-09) — VP
William H. Taft (1909-13) — Cab Sec (War)
Woodrow Wilson (1913-21) — Gov (New Jersey)
Warren Harding (1921-23) — Lt. Gov (Ohio), Senator
Calvin Coolidge (1923-29) — VP
Herbert Hoover (1929-33) — Cab Sec (Commerce)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-45) — Gov (New York)
Harry S Truman (1945-53) — VP
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-61) — General
John F. Kennedy (1961-63) — Senate
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-69) — VP
Richard M. Nixon (1969-74) — VP (8 years prior)
Gerald R. Ford (1974-77) — VP
Jimmy Carter (1977-81) — Gov (Georgia)
Ronald W. Reagan (1981-89) — Gov (CA – 7 years earlier)
George Bush (1989-93) — VP
William J. Clinton (1993-2001) — Gov (Arkansas)
George W. Bush (2001-2004) — Gov (Texas)
George W. Bush (2005-2008) — President
So here is how it breaks out:
12 VPs
10 Governors
6 Cabinet Secs
6 Senators (only 2 sitting)
4 Generals
2 Ambassadors
1 Representative
Of these, I think only Washington, Jefferson and Lincon were confirmed Mac users, but that may just be a rumor
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-B
Math correction:
-13 Veeps not 12
-Also, one president took office then lost the next election then won 4 years later.
This is from another site but it contains important points so I thought I would quote it here.
Posted by atthisaddress on spymac.com:
“I’m a Republican that will be voting for Kerry. I agree that the idea that Kerry is a liberal is a joke, he is every bit as establishment as Bush. Kerry is far from my idea of an ideal candidate.
However, there is more to this election than simple politics. An important legal doctrine is at stake, the legal right to privacy. This was most recently used to strike down a popular Texas law that called for a PRISON sentence for those engaging in a homosexual act. The Bush administration argued that the law should stand, and said that the simple belief that the people of Texas had said through their legislature that homosexual acts were immoral was reason enough to justify the law.
The court, by a narrow majority, ruled that the implied right to privacy in the constitution required Texas to prove they had an overwhelming reason to restrict the conduct of citizens, a reason that would be more important than the right of people to do as they saw fit as adults under the law.
For the right-wing Biblical conservatives, this is the most hated modern legal doctrine. It was first envoked in 1965, when the Supreme Court struck down a Connecticut law that called for a PRISON sentence for married couples that used condoms. Imagine that, the insanity, the intolerence of a law like that.
If Bush gets in again, kiss that doctrine goodbye. There are a lot of very old Justices, and Bush would name as replacements young conservatives that would not only overturn this legal doctrine, they would serve on the Supreme Court for decades.
For all his faults, Kerry will name replacement Justices that would preserve this doctrine. This election has real life consequences. Here is a link to that 1965 decision if you are interested. “
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Beeblebrain, nobody gives a shit about your “governmental positions held just prior to reaching the presidency.” What with invading a sovereign country with no provocation, based on lies, Bush and his neocon outlaws have to go, it’s that simple. I doubt if you understand that the Bushies provoked the 9/11 attacks in the first place, and have been covering up ever since. They were going to invade Afghanistan in October 2001, but Al Qaeda launched a preemptive strike since they were going to lose everything anyway. But sheep like you suffer from cognitive dissonance and self-deception and reality avoidance when it comes to your Glorious Leader.
9/18/2001
A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week’s attacks.
Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm
Kerry Didn’t Read Iraq Report Before Vote — Aides
Wed Jul 14, 7:42 PM ET
By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democratic candidate John Kerry, whose campaign demanded to know on Wednesday whether President Bush read a key Iraq intelligence assessment, did not read the document himself before voting to give Bush the authority to go to war, aides acknowledged.
it’s interesting to see comments such as
If we are attacked again like 9-11, we will need to bring back internment camps to house all Muslims living in America and begin mass deportations. We also ought to proclaim that we will nuke Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria if there is another attack in America since those countries fund and contribute to terrorism. The sooner we nuke Iran, the better.
This is extremely racist and fascist.
The idea that concentration camps are acceptable to hardcore Bush supporters suggests that the Nazis didn’t really lose World War II.
I’m no fan of John Kerry – who is a cousin of George W Bush and Dick Cheney.
Kerry and Bush are also part of the evil Skull and Bones society.
Kerry has a history of covering up Bush crimes (cocaine smuggling in the 1980s) and will be a fine successor to Baby Bush, covering up his complicity in 9/11.
Who had the power to turn off the Air Force protection of New York and Washington on 9/11? Osama? Saddam? Cheney and Rumsfeld?
When Hitler came into power, the Nazis burned down the Reichstag (Parliament), blamed it on a lone Communist arsonist, and used it as the excuse to “temporarily” suspend civil liberties.
The Republican Convention in New York – criminals always return to the scene of their crime.
“Who the hell are you to name call the President of the United States? What are your major accomplishments? Gay internet porn watching? Give me a break and spare us the name calling of our president.”
Oh, and I suppose you didn’t call President Clinton any names?? What a bunch of friggin’ hypocrites.
Mark with your statements such as:
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“Kerry has a history of covering up Bush crimes (cocaine smuggling in the 1980s) and will be a fine successor to Baby Bush, covering up his complicity in 9/11.
Who had the power to turn off the Air Force protection of New York and Washington on 9/11? Osama? Saddam? Cheney and Rumsfeld?
When Hitler came into power, the Nazis burned down the Reichstag (Parliament), blamed it on a lone Communist arsonist, and used it as the excuse to “temporarily” suspend civil liberties.
The Republican Convention in New York – criminals always return to the scene of their crime.”
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…it is time to return to the nut house and go back to your “it�s all a big conspiracy!” club.
And don�t forget to put back on your aluminum foil hat!
Tip to Eddie: Don�t call names, use facts. Didn�t your momma ever tell you that?
neochimp,
you are a disgusting, lying, poor excuse for a human being.
I think this is interesting how it has degraded into what it always does these days with opposing points of view. Didn’t this thread start with the topic of who uses a mac or not? The post from the email earlier comparing Bush and Clintons approval stats was great and a few other posts here. The majority of the political commentary here is just name calling and hateful.
I love my MAC, we have a home full of them. I assure you that my politics had nothing to do with my choice of platform. Quality and reliability were my deciding factors.
To be in the “Think Different” club I guess you have to ‘think the same’ as the liberal masses after all. How unfortunate.
What’s a shame is how hypnotized and hoodwinked the Bush supporters seem to be (probably from watching too much Fox News). It’s sort of like how a kidnapping victim often ends up respecting and praising their kidnapper. My response is this: Enjoying Fascism Yet? I’m not, and I can’t wait until we show Bush/Cheney the door.
Remember, Regime Change Starts at Home!
Extreme Liberalism is Communism and Fascism.
EXCEPT FOR ENDING SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM & COMMUNISM
WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING.
PROTECT ISLAMIC PROPERTY RIGHTS AGAINST WESTERN IMPERIALISM.
SAY NO TO WAR!
gee I can’t believe I missed this discussion.
Nice try back there Dave H.
rexray,
Yes, the old “call your opponent a fascist if you have no ideas of your own” canard. This is tiresome. Fascism is a forced government monopolistic system such as the left pushes nearly everywhere around the globe.
By the way, by all emperical observation, Fox News is a middle of the road news channel. But even if it were as conservative as you imagine it to be, it can barely be heard above the noise of the leftist “news” organizations of CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, LAT, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, PBS, NPR and other left-wing organizations. When was the last time you heard a positive story about Bush on one of these networks or in one of these newspapers? When was the last time you heard any probing questions about Kerry, his lame war record or Edwards’ ambulance chasing lawsuits which have virtually destroyed the OB/GYN profession? When are we going to hear from the major media about Kerry being the most liberal Democrat senator to EVER run for the presidency?
We won’t becuase the major media LOVES Democrats and hates Bush. Every day we are punished with a disgusting love fest for the Dems with “reporters” talking about how sexy Edwards is and how the camera lens “melts” when it gets a picture of the two Dems together.
Throwing footballs on the tarmac, give me a break
Talk about Lemmings. I hear nothing from liberals except “Bush is an idiot” (which he clearly is not), and nothing about policy issues, or substantive matters. With liberals its all about feelings and perceptions and what the lib media spoon feeds you everyday. You are so easily swayed by snake oil salesmen like Michael Moore who knows that you are just a bunch of easily manipulated robots. He pretends to be this blue collar guy from Flint (he’s not) and then drives around in limos and flies in his chartered G5 (that’s a jet, not a PowerMac) and collects his millions. He decries Bush’s “ties” to the Carlyle group (Bush has none – that was his father) while having his film partially funded by George Soros who was a principle financier of the Carlyle group!
Until one of you actually can speak with a little intelligence on this subject the conservatives herein will continue to believe that you are incapable of putting one cogent thought after another.
We know you think Bush is an idiot and a fascist, we get it. Now, tell us WHY and back it up with some educated posts. If you can’t, you won’t mind if we ignore you.
Thanks.
-B
rexrap spues: “Enjoying Fascism Yet?”
What are you talking about? I doubt you have any idea what any three of those words mean, let alone the middle one.
From Princeton university: Fascism – a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism).
Where are you living at rexray? Not in the U.S. I do.
Hey rexray… you werent by chance at that Oz Fest show last night in Jones Beach, NY were you? Your rhetoric sounds spawned from the same ignorance as the Hitler Montage in that concert last night.
I always find it interesting when immigrants like Ozzy, who have made their fortunes off the American Dollar, bite the hand that feeds them. Maybe JohnKerry.com will underwrite a website for him too. Another example of honesty…
Amazing
OK Beetlebrox. Let’s hear you defend Bush’s record on the environment. Please don’t just jump to the other issues below. Let’s hear your defense of this issue first. It alone is reason enough not to vote for Bush.
Other policies/issues where I think Bush is doing a terrible job is his disproportionate tax breaks for the very rich, the war in Iraq which he got us into based on faulty intelligence (c’mon, admit it for once that the WMD battle cry that Bush used to justify getting us into Iraq was wrong), the continuation of the Patriot Act which should only have been used (if at all) in the immediate emergency situation follow 9-11 and which is now starting to be abused, his ignoring the Geneva Convention, the torture of prisoners carried out during Bush’s watch by soldiers under his command that most probably resulted from the atmosphere which Bush as the commander in Chief created in the Armed forces, the fact that he has taken more vacation than any president in US history, the fact that he was totally not on the ball before 9-11 and actually got a briefing warning him of Bin Ladens intentions and did NOTHING (but stay on vacation) and more.
There, is that enough policy issues and substantive matters for you?
I just went downstairs to have some food and cool off and was thinking over this debate. It is utterly amazing to me that intelligent, clear-headed people (Mac Users even!) could be for George W. Bush. While I was eating I think I have realized how this could happen.
After 9-11 there was a tremendous upwelling of Pro-America feeling in the United States. I mean we all remember how the whole country was covered in US flags. We were also all scared by this vicious attack on our own soil. We all started pulling together and thinking as one country because of this. George W. Bush was the head of our country when this occurred. As our leader he is a symbol for all of us of America embodied in one man. (I mean if you had to pick one person who would be functioning as the representative of America it would have to be the president, right?) As such he was the recipient of all these positive feelings for America and is in fact still receiving these positive feelings from you. Americans were (are) scared and angry. Bush beat somebody up and blamed someone for our troubles and we cheered him on and loved him for it. (I will admit I was (and am still) very much behind the action in Afghanistan and find no fault with what Bush did there) The problem is that although America may merit these wonderful positive Pro-America feelings, Bush does not.
I don’t think he is evil but he is definately following his own agenda which benefits himself and the special interest groups he favors and does NOT necessarily have the best interests of a majority of Americans in mind. So many people are going along with it though because they are angry and scared and they love America. They want George to protect them and make them feel safe again. The problem is that what George is doing is not having this effect. People are also giving him a huge benefit of the doubt on a lot of other issues right now because he is the leader of America right now and they love Amerca. Please wake up and look at his record on the issues objectively and not through a prism of Hate and Fear for our enemies nor through one of excessive love for our country. (cont.)
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Wake up people. Take a step back and look objectively at George’s record. Try and do it without the emotions of fear and anger tinging your judgement. I think you may be able then to see that George W. Bush is NOT the man that we need to have as President of our country.
Is Kerry perfect? No. Will he do a better job than George? That would not be difficult for him to do and I am confident that since he is much more of a middle of the road type his performance will be be much preferable to George’s. And that is why he is going to get my vote.
Jack A…
How about you wake up….Bush and Kerry are both fucking idiots and I wont vote any dipshit into office in this day and age (Local, State or federal)…The only way we can keep this country from going to Hell in a handbasket (Even though it will anyway) is to take the power back ourselves. If you think kerry is really going to take charge..Think again. He’s just as much an idiot as Bush.
Besides the People who actually run this country arent “elected officials” they are employees of our government. And personally, Im saving cash to go to another country….
Life is a bitch and then you die NoMacForYou. Especially with an attitude like that. Enjoy.
Fascism, as per the Encyclopedia Britannica:
“Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent.”
“Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and ’30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems.”