We’ve just received an email that prompts an open thread to iPhone 6 Plus owners:
Dear MacDailyNews,
I own an iPad Air and an iPhone 6 Plus. I have not touched my iPad Air since my iPhone 6 Plus arrived.
I am a huge Apple fan and, through my business, I also have the ability to write-off my technology purchases. I am also an Apple shareholder. I’m a great example of someone who would concoct pretty much any reason to own both devices. However – and as an Apple shareholder, this is concerning – if I had an iPhone 6 Plus first, I would struggle to find a compelling reason to ever buy an iPad.
If, after just two weeks with my iPhone 6 Plus, I am struggling to find a reason, this bodes very, very poorly for Apple’s iPad Air – and near certain death for iPad mini. IBM had better do an excellent job of quickly moving iPad into the enterprise!
Now that I have my Plus and have used it extensively, it is very doubtful that I will ever buy another iPad unless or until there is a 12-inch iPad that weighs a 1.25 pounds (566 grams) or less.
Again, I am the very person most likely to buy both an iPhone 6 Plus and an iPad. I don’t see how people with different budgetary concerns (buying these devices with their own discretionary income) will ever buy both an iPhone 6 Plus and any iPad. At this point, from what I’ve experienced, every iPhone Plus that Apple sells very likely means no future iPad sale and almost certainly kills future iPad mini sales.
Sincerely,
James W.
MacDailyNews Take: iPhone 6 Plus owners, do you agree? Does iPhone 6 Plus kill your need for an iPad mini and/or iPad Air?
Of course not. There are a lot of kids who do not need cell phones. Think about the K-12 market…
agreed…
And also, iPhone 6 Plus is only 1/3 the size of iPad Mini.
I do not enjoy lugging around a laptop or an iPad.
iPad mini is a perfect size to carry and still do some sketching, photos, email, browsing, iMovie editing and yes – hell – yes some Pages, Numbers and Keynote type of work.
The iPad mini, maybe popular with 6-12 year olds, that demographic jumps to 35-50 year old and beyond depending on need. If they ware glasses, its possible they prefer iPad for the larger real-estate.
Lastly, the day Apple offers iPad mini with real phone technology as used in iPhone 6+, then ask me what is more useful?
The iPhone 6 does not run iPad apps, so No.
I don’t want any device that requires a monthly fee. wifi only iPad mini or larger iPod touch is the only thing i’m interested in spending my money on
I have to disagree strongly. As big as the plus is, it isn’t big enough for all my iPad applications.
My uses for the plus would be mainly games that make use of the gyro and reading novels. It is quite useless for magazines or any application using four and five finger gestures let alone the ten finger gestures made possible should Apple ever make an iOS dev larger than 9.7 inches.
I bought the iPhone 6 Plus and am hoping to see an iPad Mini with Retina and Touch ID this month so I can upgrade my 1st gen mini. I got a 16 GB just to try it out. I use my iPad Air for work and my Mini for some web, email and reading. I def want a 32 Or 64 GB this time around. There is no better device than the Mini for casual reading. The iPad Air is still a bit bulky though not as heavy as it was while the Mini is about the same size as a paperback and even weighs about the same. I ENJOY my Mini more than the iPad Air but that’s a given since the Air is work while the Mini is casual. Totally different mindset for me depending on which device I pick up. And I don’t consider my phone for any of that. The phone is for maps and casual web on the go and a few apps. Again, different mindset.
I have an iPhone 6 and an iPad Mini. I find myself using the iPhone 6 a lot more and the iPad Mini a lot less. There is one reason to get the iPad Mini or the iPad though, even if you have an iPhone 6 or an iPhone 6 Plus: to use as a cellular hotspot. You’ll get far more battery life as a hotspot on an iPad and you can turn the service on or off easily. If you get an iPad with a cellular carrier different from your iPhone, then you will have additional coverage with two different providers.
Watching videos is better on an iPad as well.
If you’re a college student and like Electronic Textbooks, then the iPad is the way to go as Electronic Textbooks often can’t be used on phones. My daughter tried to download an E-Textbook from Amazon onto her iPhone 5 and it wouldn’t download to the device as it said that it was incompatible.
I do believe that there will be a cannibalization effect on iPads but I do think that there are use scenarios for the iPad.
Short answer NO! The iPhone 6 Plus is still the minority phone size to the iPhone 6. In general most people are going to carry phones that are below 5″. Also note that the iPhone 6 Plus does not run iPad apps. For those who want that size, well maybe they want one device to rule them all and the iPhone 6 Plus fits that perfectly, especially in the Asian markets where this is to be true. For me I am an iPhone 6 user, along with an iPad mini and MacBook Pro Retina 15″ computer. I use all three and all three have their purpose. I think the iPhone 6 Plus for MOST is a burden for mobility, so I don’t think this is going to be an issue, but this isn’t a concern for Apple anyway. The iPhone is killing off the iPods. The MacBook Pros are killing off the Desktops. Nothing new.
re: Jay – I use an iPod Nano for running as I couldn’t run comfortably with a phone in my pocket and I don’t care to use those armband-devices. iPods are still useful for some use scenarios.
Same here.
Will never take my iPhone running, iPod for music.
Oh yeah always a use case for having it, but the iPods are not selling at the numbers they once were. I think the bigger concern is with the iTunes Music Store and getting people to value music and movies again. Streaming services in music is really burning down the assets to nothing, instead they need to be innovating that business model. It is rather sad to see that industry to continue to fall further and further.
NO. the iPad is a family device, the iPhone is all mine. Also, games are much better on the iPad with the big screen.
I will still be getting the new AIR!!!
Mini – probably not need to get…
you can still play sushi BACKGAMMON on both.
NO!
I am in a very similar position to the writer. I am a share holder and also own a multitude of Apple devices, including an iPad Air and an iPhone 6 Plus. While your point is well taken, the difference in size between the 6 plus and the Air is still dramatic. I am still constantly using my iPad Air. The difference is that when I am out and about, and can’t carry an iPad with me, I get a much better user experience with the 6 plus than I did with my 5. I still love my Air though. I think the Mini could feel the pinch though from the 6 plus. As far as being a shareholder, don’t forget that the profit margins on the iPhone 6 and especially 6 plus are far better than on the iPad Mini. This should me a win on the bottom line for the company and in turn the price of our shares.
To a point. IPhones can be subsidized, not so much for iPads. I’ll probably get a 6s+ next year instead of buying both an iPhone and an iPad. The initial cost Will be over $1000 less, especially when you factor in AppleCare.
I love my iPhone 6 Plus and I my iPad Mini, but I acknowledge that I am likely to soon prove to be the exception. Plus owners will probably see no need for the Mini, but the Air is different. Fundamentally, these devices are the same, but screen area is still a key differentiator: long document typing is better on any iPad, as is, at least for a meaningful number of people, watching shows or movies.
Be that as it may, I fully believe it is important for Apple to add at least one or two more key features that are exclusive to the iPad line. Phones, tablets and desktop devices fit into a Venn diagram reasonably well at this time, with the tablet in the middle, but leaning a bit to the left circle, where the phones are. Positioning the tablet perfectly in the center with such differentiating features seems inevitable, but wholly necessary at this point.
I’ve been wanting a mini for quite some time. When the 6 plus was announced, I canceled my plans to get one and ordered that instead. Hasn’t arrived yet, but I don’t see myself in the iPad market anymore. Just my own experience.
Not sure yet, as my Plus is yet to arrive from China for another week. But my thoughts are as follows. Own both A7 iPads from last year. I just read the A8 iPads will have 2GB of system RAM, Touch ID, NFC Apple Pay, 802.11ac. That would inspire me to buy the A8 iPad mini Retina but not the A8 Air. I use the A7 Air almost exclusively for Viggle which I’m addicted to. But I reach for my A7 mini Retina all the time for watching my 6 Plus UPS tracking. 😜 You might be right.
But I’m curious about what positive impact 2GB of system RAM might have on the mini Retina’s performance. And I do think the 802.11ac might be the key spec to get me to also buy the A8 Air. I have bought every ATT maxed out iPad and iPhone (except the original) to date including both the 64 and the 128 iPad 4. So I am obsessive compulsive when it comes to iOS device ownership. Atypical.
If Phil can pitch ’em we’ll enough next Thursday, I’ll probably continue my insane purchase habit. I have nothing else to do with my money. Will return to this thread in November to let you know what happened after I got my 6 Plus and Phil gave it his best shot.
I have both and use both an iPhone 6+ and an iPad mini.
I do not want to read on an iPhone and if I am doing something which takes a significant amount of time I use the iPad not the iPhone.
I need both.
I’m in the exact same situation as James W. I haven’t used my iPad mini since I got my iPhone 6 Plus. I also have a full sized iPad that I haven’t used either. I’m thinking of selling all of my iPad (I have older ones) and if there’s a larger iPad, I might get that. I’d like to have a large iPad just for movies (maybe games).
The iPad mini was a great work-horse, but it totally overlaps with the iPhone 6 Plus for my use.
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Honestly, there wasn’t that much need for an ipad mini (or ipad) in the 1st place. With a 13″ mac book pro and now an iphone 6 plus, the only thing i use it for is netflix in the car for kids. No longer reaching for my ipad 🙁
IPhone 6 128 gb
iPad mini 128gb
MacBook pro 13.3″
The above will be my setup, not counting my iMac etc at home.
The 6 plus will not kill any desire for the mini, or the full size iPad. Now I do see if apple makes a 5.5″ iPod… It might hurt the mini.
But as someone else said, textbooks don’t always work on the phones. I doubt they will see the 6 plus as any different than an iPhone 3g..
My choice as well. The 128 GB storage on the iPhone 6 and iPad mini drive the choice.
I prefer the iPad mini over the full size iPad.
My most frequently used device is the iPad mini.
I would reverse it and say that my owning an iPad kills my need for an iPhone 6 Plus. It’s a valid question though: would anyone buy both of those products? I think fear of iPad cannibalization is a factor as to why Apple took so long to release a large-screened iPhone.
6+ won’t really affect iPad Air, but it’ll definitely have some impact to marginal sales of iPad mini
but as the famous saying go – better to cannibalize your product line than let someone else (samsung note) do it
Good point and I have been thinking a lot about the same.
1) many people already use their iPhone 4/5 as an “iPad”, they will be very happy with a 6 Plus, result: still 1 (new) device.
2) many (iPhone 4/5 users) who considered iPad Mini will for sure go for a single solution with 6 Plus, result: minus 1 device
3) for my self I love and use heavy my iPad Air, for tons of pdf (A4/Letter format) reading, music, books, tv-subscribtion, nas/Netflix streaming, you name it, I NEED one more iPad ! (12″/1 pound), result: plus 1 device.
Total result: Equal 🙂
I still use my iPad Air when I am home. I use it for surfing, texts, and even as an iPhone when at home. Gotten used to answering calls on the iPad air and so I hardly pull my iPhone 6 plus out of my pocket. That is at home. But I do not carry my Air with me when I go to Starbucks, etc. The plus is just great for that. But I will be getting a new iPad Air as soon as they are available. My wife has an iPad Mini and she also seems to use it much more than her iPhone 6 at home. I am really liking the camera on the plus BTW. The new Air rumored to have the same one I hear.
I may not use my iPad mini retina as much as I did before I got my 6 Plus, but I’m still using it almost daily for tasks that are either better on a larger screen or are more battery intensive. It is entirely possible that the iPad (particularly the Mini) will be considered unnecessary for many users now, but definitely not all of them.
I do see it hurting sales in the near term, but I also expect Apple to come up with a solution to the problem and provide us with new use cases for the iPad that wouldn’t make sense on the Plus.
If anything, all this had done is convinced me top be more responsible with my Mini instead of caring it around with me whenever I leave the house.
*to, not top (and sorry for any other minor errors). Gotta proofread better when I’m using Swype.
He is experiencing the IPhone 6 Plus “Honeymoon”
It will wear off and he will be back to his iPad as well as his phone.
The iPad experience is different and compelling. The 6 Plus is still claustrophobic in Safari. Definitely an improvement but not a replacement for the iPad.
Of course not! Dumb question!
Two days ago I sold my 3rd generation iPad. With my iPhone 6 Plus, I didn’t need it anymore. At first the iPhone 6 Plus seemed rather oversized, but now I’m used to it and love it. It’s a flexible device that fills many needs. I love it.
In addition, once iPad mini gains the A8 and M8 processors those gamers and photographers and simple work applications will feel a heck of a lot better on a iPad mini then on a iPhone Plus… simple as that.
Furthermore, the day Apple gets things really really really right will be the day the latest chips are offered across all devices at the same time. Rather sad to not see this; A8 M8 in the AppleTV and iPad mini. Should be either optional to buy this way or just offered as the new device. A9 64 bit is on its way… shall see quad core or octal core offered soon. weeeeee
For right now I don’t see my iPhone 6 plus as a replacement for my iPad. This may change as we get App updates that take advantage of increased resolution are released to make the 6 plus more iPad like. However, I just feel like the 6 plus is a smaller tablet than I would like to use in general. To be honest I’d like to throw away my phone and have a full sized iPad with full phone capabilities I could take it with me everyplace. In reality these are all different sized tablets. In the future I would like my 3 devices to be my iPad with phone capabilities, my Apple watch, and my updated Mac Mini that’ll be out in a couple of weeks. I’ll use the mac as my personal cloud to serve my other devices and will be a very happy camper.
iPod Touches should come in the same sizes as iPhones:
2.5
3.5
4
4.7
5.5
I think there are as many iPad use cases as there paper sizes.
I have iMac Macbook Air, iPad 2 , Mac Pro , iPad Mini Retina . IPhone 5S and iPhone 6 Plus
I use all of them with the least used being the iPad 2 followed by the Macbook Air
What I don’t own in my regular house is a TV. Actually technically that is not true as I have a UEB TV hooked up to iMac and Mac Pro and I do have a samsung flatscreenwhich has not been turned on in years
Can I have your iPad Air?
Since you aren’t using it…. 🙂
I have the iPad Air and the iPad mini Retina. Love ’em both for different apps and situations but when I get the 6 Plus, I won’t need the mini and will pass it on over to my wife who’s using the first-gen mini but I’ll certainly hold onto the Air.
I often tend to use the Air as a mini laptop with a BT keyboard and I can get a lot of work done with it (including spreadsheet work) that I can’t (or don’t want to do) with the mini and certainly won’t with the 6 Plus.
For me, it’ll be the MBA 13″ (with the 27″ Thunderbolt displays at home and at work), iPad Air and iPhone 6 Plus. Perfect progression to cover all the bases as far as I’m concerned. The mini would be a little redundant within that group. I may still want a mini later when the weight comes down to around 8 ounces or less.
I will chime in and say….
I own an iPad. I got an iPad mini, my BIG IPad has not been touched since.
My iPhone 6+ is on it’s way this week.
I gotta feeling my iPad mini will no longer be “falling on my face” at night.
I think I’m gonna miss my iPad mini.
😉
I think James W has a real point, and there are a lot of people who will agree.
In the end, however, it will depend a lot on the use case.
1 – not everybody wants to carry around a Plus all the time. So for millions, it is not an issue.
2 – for those who do get a 6 Plus, probably most will agree with James. Of those, many never were going to get an iPad anyway.
3 – There will also be those who really need the larger screen.
+ poor vision
+ data base entry
+ photographers
+ DJs
+ graphic artists
+ road warriors who need “almost a laptop”
+ sales people
+ cats
DEFINITELY NOT!!!!
I have an iPhone 6 Plus and can’t wait till next week to find out about the new iPads. I would prefer an iPad Pro but I am ready to buy a new iPad. My iPad is iPad 3 and it is time for a change.
My iPhone 6 Plus is my mobile, on the go device. The iPad is my at home device which I use frequently because of the bigger screen.
No canibalization of the iPad in my house.
I have not found my use patters change much at all. I use the device that’s closest at hand. I do find I don’t take my IPad Air out with me as much. When arround the house I prefer my iPad when I’m mobile I prefer my iPhone 6 Plus.
My wifes habits are about the same. She sticks with her Mini at home and relies on the phone when mobile.
For me it’s the right mix of the right tools for the job. I now have 3 hammers each designed to help with the appropriate task. Iphone, iPad and MacBook Air…If you asked me to give up one I would decline!
The iPad mini might not be the best for Apple’s margins, but it’s been an amazing product for my girlfriend in Hong Kong. Not only could she afford it (very low wage job), but the quality of the device has been stellar to improving our communication.
I disagree totally. I have both a iPhone 6 plus and an iPad mini. I am occasionally reading on the iPhone while out (waiting in queues etc) but still use my iPad mini extensively. And as for it replacing the iPad air, I don’t think that is likely to be the case as the uses are quite different.
I wouldn’t want to do daily web browsing on anything smaller than an iPad.
An iPad is still much better for music apps like live mixers, and better for online engineering modeling sites. I couldn’t imagine doing that on a screen smaller than an iPad
You have to look at the age group.
The above forties may not buy a laptop or desktop but will certainly buy the iPad for everyday use.
My rationale has to do with eye sight.
the below forties don’t need reading glasses as much as the above forties.
Ever since the iPhone 4 came out, then the 5, I’ve hardly touched my iPad. With the 6, I anticipate more of the same.
I was thinking about getting an iPhone 6+ instead of an iPad. Then I realised I could use the iOS 8 Continuity and Hand Off features with my iPhone 5S (in my pocket) and an iPad. Best of both worlds with no compromise with an oversized phone.
Yes, but to be honest I’ve been using my iPad less and less anyway. Admittedly I only have an iPad 1, but I just don’t find any real reason to use it. I cannot use an iPad for work. When I’m out my iPhone is perfect – I don’t want to carry another device, most of the time I don’t want to carry anything more than what I can get in my pockets. At home, again my iPhone is fine, and I also have my iMac which I use all the time.
I can still see a market, especially in families, but there is definitely an overlap.
I own a iPhone 6+ and an iPad Air and continue to use the iPad Air when I read magazines and use apps like Flipboard, Zite, etc
If I didn’t use my iPad 2 as a comic reader I’d have an iPad mini. And I can see how the iPhone 6 Plus could be an iPad mini replacement.
So yes, if it weren’t for my particular circumstances I could probably survive easily with only a 6 Plus.
This is one man’s obsession with a new device. iPhone 6 Plus is big, but it’s not big enough to make me want to stop using an iPad. Even if it was, it wouldn’t matter to me anyway since I didn’t get an iPhone 6 Plus. I have the 4.7 inch model. I still use my iPad mini. If anything has caused me to not use my iPad mini as much it would be the lousy performance of iOS 8 on my less than two year old iPad mini. It really pisses me off that Apple could be so sloppy that they didn’t bother to optimize the new OS better to run on an older iPad. The iPad mini is (currently) only in its second generation. It’s not like I tried to load iOS 8 on something really old.
I personally cannot wait for the next generation iPad mini with touch ID support. The iPhone 6 Plus is a little too big for me as a daily driver, but I just love, love, love the touch ID in the iPhone 6. The new iPad mini will be the perfect size tablet once it supports touch ID ;-)!
I like the initiator of the thread am an Apple guy (47 Macs starting in 1985), every generation of iPad,both full size and mini and I totally disagree with his premise. And almost every generation of iPhone. (By staggering eligibility with my daughter and handing phones down to her.
I like my devices optimized for their primary use and how you use devices and which you use depends on what you do. The iPad does not replace my 15″ retina MacBook pro. Which in turn does not replace my new MacPro for doing Final Cut Pro. The iPhone at any size does not replace the iPad..
Frankly I would rather have a smaller iPhone than even the 6 but of course with the latest technology and hope with the 7 there is a third option that is smaller..
I like the initiator of the thread am an Apple guy (47 Macs starting in 1985), every generation of iPad,both full size and mini and I totally disagree with his premise. And almost every generation of iPhone. (By staggering eligibility with my daughter and handing phones down to her.
I like my devices optimized for their primary use and how you use devices and which you use depends on what you do. The iPad does not replace my 15″ retina MacBook pro. Which in turn does not replace my new MacPro for doing Final Cut Pro. The iPhone at any size does not replace the iPad..
Frankly I would rather have a smaller iPhone than even the 6 but of course with the latest technology and hope with the 7 there is a third option that is smaller. I don’t play games or watch videos on my phone. I don’t do any kind of work on the iPad.
No – I will still use iPad at home for reading etc, just won’t take it with me as my iPhone 6 plus is great for my out and about needs. And will still buy new iPad at some point.
No
No!
Not at all. I love both my iPhone 6 Plus 128 GB and my cellular iPad Air 2 128 GB.
I just wish the Apple SIM card was interchangeable with all carriers. AT&T and Verizon force you to change the SIM out. As such, I just stuck with AT&T. Through a lot of tough work I was also able to get a 4GB data plan for it that includes the built-in personal hotspot capability, for $30/month.
No.
I have an Air and it’s great for watching media.
Just used it to watch the second part of a PBS mystery (with headphones).
Disagree totally. I bought the iPhone 6 plus and the iPad Air 2. The iPhone 6 is ok on the go but not when I can get to sit down in my family room and browse the internet. The 5.5 inch screen is way too small for full page browsing especially in your later years.
Apple is going to do fine and you will make money on the stock.
Absolutely. I have a MacBook Pro, a MacBook air and an iPhone 5S. I also have a 3rd generation iPad which I rarely use.
The iPad is due for a serious reboot. It needs I/O and a filesystem that is user accessible. Until then it’s going to remain a large iPod Touch. It’s a useful device as it is but until it has I/O and a user accessible filesystem it will always need to be tethered to a computer at some point. It’s time for the iPad to grow into a real computer. Apple can keep the walled garden app store, and build walls around the filesystem, but until you can attach storage and manipulate files it will never be a real computer.
So at this point even an iPhone 5S can do anything the iPad can do, an iPhone 6+ makes the iPad even more irrelevant.
Как мы с другом насыпали женский возбудитель в сок нашим жёнам.
Как думаете, что из этого вышло? 🙂
ни кто из присудствующих не ожидал такого эфекта.
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– малая и осторожная обрезка; – пересадка лимона в начале марта при полном оплетении почвы корнями. Для лимона подходит субстрат из смеси дерновой Размножение лимонов Формирование кроны Необходимые сведения Ускорение плодоношения сеянцев лимона Пересадка лимонов Определение кислотности почвы «кустарным» методом.
Почва для лимона. Чтобы лимоны успешно росли и плодоносили, необходимо заблаговременно позаботиться о составе грунта В качестве почвы для лимона подойдет смесь перегноя, песка, листовой и дерновой земли (в равных пропорциях)..
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