“Conservatives are so PC. Not PC as in ‘politically correct,’ though they certainly have more than their share of those who patrol the language for any nuance that gives off hints of liberalism. PC as in PC,” Devilstower writes for Daily Kos.
“No one has any doubt that PCs running some flavor of Microsoft Windows dominate the computer landscape as much as dinosaurs did the Jurassic plains. Little Unix systems pop up here and there, as do many less well known systems, holding down small niches in the computer ecosystem,” Devilstower writes.
Devilstower writes, “And then there is Apple.”
“The scampering mammals of the IT landscape, Macs have sometimes come close to extinction and even now hold down just less than 5% of computer sales. Hardware wise, that 5% is not so bad, considering that the PC world is divided up amongst Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony, whoever owns IBM’s name this week, and a thousand others. Apple is solidly among the top brands,” Devilstower writes.
Devilstower writes, “But on the software side, the share of the market held by Apple’s OS X operating system looks tiny beside Microsoft’s behemoth. It’s even smaller on conservative web sites. When it comes to visitors to Instapundit, OS X visitors make up only 2-3%, suggesting that conservatives are less likely to go for the Apple brand than the general public. On the other hand, Daily Kos statistics show that between 15% and 25% of visitors to this site are using Macs — an astounding 5x times the general population of these computers. If you were at YearlyKos last time around, you could spot more Macs at breakfast than you’d find in an Apple store.”
Devilstower asks, “So here’s a question: why? Why do liberals like Macs, while conservatives shun them?”
In the full article, Devilstower explores four theories:
• The Fiscal Conservative Theory
• Conformists vs Individuals Theory
• The Hip vs Tragically Unhip Theory
• The Artists vs. Sausage Makers Theory
Full article, with, oh, about 700 reader comments, here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Gandalf” for the heads up.]
MacDailyNews Take: Devilstower might be surprised at just how many “conservative” Mac users actually exist. Especially “fiscally conservative” Mac users. It really depends to the definitions you’re using for “liberal” and “conservative.” But, certainly in the opinion of most, Mac users are generally considered to be at least a tad more left of center than Windows PC sufferers. Forget about Apple’s usual quarterly guidance, the last time we looked, Al Gore was sitting in Apple’s boardroom, but we couldn’t find hide nor hair of Newt Gingrich. What do you think? How do you label yourself, if you do?
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I don’t call George Bush or RUSH a liberal and they are huge MAC Fans.
Last time you posted something like this, the place filled up with Nazis claiming to be Mac users. Keepin’ my fingers crossed this time, eh?
far from liberal
Regardless of label, I think that smart people use Macs. Or at least people who are more informed on the merits and detriments of both Macs and Windows.
Mac users, whether “liberal” or “conservative” have generally made a conscious decision to use Mac over Windows.
Most of the Windows PC users that I know use that platform because that’s all they know and they certainly don’t know what they’re missing.
I consider myself to be “conservative” or at least “Republican” and, yes, I should have been confirmed to the Court.
although my bro in law who is even less liberal than I am is FARRRR from ever considering using a mac.. so I guess we ballance out
Here we go……………..
Again.
Heaven spare us.
I consider myself conservative, as we use that term in American politics, and the only type of computers I have ever owned are Macs.
The truth is pretty obvious. Conservatives tend to have jobs. And most companies use scores of PCs. Therefore when they visit they are probably on a company PC.
The liberals are visiting their sites on the mac they have in their homes (parent’s basement that is) in between anti-(fill in the blank) rallys, birkenstock sales, and Greatful Dead tribute concerts.
Voted for Reagan twice, Bush the elder twice, then for Dole, then for “W” Bush twice and would do so again if I could. I have used Macs since 1984. Do I win a prize?
Could it be because conservatives actually have jobs and have to access these sites at work where they have to use Windows??
I’m a conservative, and I love my Macs.
Quite conservative, though I don’t consider myself a Republican, and I only own Macs. My parents are also conservative, and have only ever owned Macs. Same with my brother, his family, and all of my cousins and their families. I think Devilstower’s ‘theory’ is a complete load of hogwash. There’s really no point in trying to say that All Liberals Prefer This while All Conservatives Prefer That. Generalities like this serve no purpose, are usually always false, and tend to cause more hell-hate-&-discontent than anything else.
Thanks to Judge Bork for providing a TRUE difference between Mac and PC users. This political theory about Mac users is crap. Conservatives do not shun Macs in any way.
FreeRepublic.com, a popular conservative website, has a large and active Mac community.
Many Democratic scandals were researched and exposed for the first time at FreeRepublic by Mac users, such as Bill Clinton’s rape of Juanita Broaddrick, Clinton’s selling of pardons in exchange for large contributions to his presidential library, and several others. It’s fair to say that Bill Clinton got impeached by a Mac.
I’m fairly conservative. My dad, my brother, my mother (the rest of my family. . not so much) We are the Mac users, and they are the PC users. So I dunno where all this is coming from. Goodnight.
Macs for me, a real right winger for 60 years, since I left home at 15.
I’m surprised to see so many conservative blockheads troll mac news sites.
Talk about a hit piece! Both the Mac/PC thing and the Liberal/Conservative thing too!
I would just direct these guys to MDN. After reading a few choice threads here, I think they’d change their tune. I’d say it’s pretty close to even.
and thats hilarious about the stereotypical “oh liberals are hippies and dont have jobs” part. continue choking slowly to death in yout ties conservatives while you read your infallible bibles.
you’re not going to “heaven” assholes, you’re consciousness is going to dissappear along with the rest of us.
Count me amonst the conservative boys who use a Mac.
I believe in the free market, choice, letting the consumer decide what they want, less regulation and all that schtuff..
Of course, Windows sucks, so I choose – freely – to use a Mac.
Of course if the EU has it’s socialistic/US Liberalistic ways, it will destroy iTunes, take it over and leave the platform in a wake of goverment controlled Keynesian-laiden rule.
Condi for Pres!
And no, Bush is an embarassement. He is no Regan and certainly no conservative. Thank goodness he still have the veto pen for the next two years, keeping capital gains taxes and income taxes where they are at.
One could say that liberals prefer Macs because they are more intelligent than conservatives;
but thankfully, the country is nowhere near 95% conservative (although sometimes it seems that way),
which means that many conservatives must be Mac owners, which I suppose also means that not all
conservatives are as dumb as they look.
Adoring Macs has nothing to do with politics, just good taste. Bleeding heart liberals do not have the corner on good taste. To the contrary, they have good taste in technology in spite of themselves. As a staunch conservative affiliated with any party, I believe strong moral values and limited government are congruent with sensibility and good taste in technology. Liberals whine for the government to buy the computers for them while conservatives tell them to get off their lazy asses and earn it! Nuff said.
re MDN’s take… There are fiscal conservatives around. But they are all Democrats.
Mac users are a diverse bunch, but creative types have been staunch supporters of the platform for a very long time and they tend (note I said tend) to be more left of center. Mac users also tend to be more educated than the PC user and, generally speaking, more educated people tend to be more moderate to liberal in many of their views. However, many conservatives appreciate a great computing experience and use a Mac. Me, I have used Apples (even pre-Mac) for a long time, drive a Subaru and watch The L-Word. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative with a big environmental streak. Call me a progressive libertarian- certainly no Neo-Con.
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Im surprised this thread hasnt gone the way I had expected..
Conservatives and Libs alike are admitting to their preferences, and nary
a real bashing of one to the other — so far …
I wonder if the mood of the country has shifted ?
Certainly, if this topic had come up prior to the last election, there
might have been a more heated exchange here..
Or, is this just a coincidence ?
Another thought —
Have people finally wised up to the propaganda spewed by Fox News ?
(that should heat things up ! lol )
Given that both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are big Democrat Party supporters, I think this is a case where Macs & PCs are on the same side.
The only tech executive who seems to be reliably conservative is John Chambers.
Liberals buy PCs, Conservatives buy Routers?
“The truth is pretty obvious. Conservatives tend to have jobs.”
I think you have nailed it on the head why so many liberal dislike conservatives. They make idiotic comments like yours.
If you want to continue to think this go ahead, but you’re really not doing yourself any justice by saying that.
Liberals aren’t all hippies living in the woods.
> every liberal I know has a job, and a very well paying one.
Duh! Whoever the fsck wrote this article (Devilstower) is just now realizing this and figuring this out? — it was apparent 20 years ago. What a dumbshit and for you to pass this along as real news, wrong again. This “story” is most like other crap on the MacNews train, it’s commentary instead of news.
Well Rush Limbaugh is an all Mac shop. Does he count as a conservative?
Another conservative Mac user here. Macs transcend political lines. We may have differing political views but we’re all Mac users here.
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MDN. Please don’t go confusing me, i’ve only just been told that i use a Mac because I’m a … Piscean, but between you and i, i think i have leanings toward Virgo’s.
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I think it comes down to how savvy the person is. Not Dem or Rep, Lib or Cons. There are free thinkers on both sides of the aisle and therefore we will continue to see the market share grow.
I have voted Rep for as long as I can remember but tend to take a more liberal stance in general and I am a Mac user….and I love it!
Rush Limberger is no conservative, and neither is anyone in the Bush administration. They are all for big spending and big government. Bush has spent craploads of money on this tragic war, he’s created a new bullcrap wing of the government called “Homeland Security” which has only served to bloat the government more, he’s compromised habeas corpus, he’s tried to amend the constitution with anti-gay laws, he’s performed wireless wiretapping on us.
If these people are conservative, what are they conserving – besides the status quo for the extreme rich?
The “liberal” people I know interested in conserving the environment, conserving the long-term economic health of our country, conserving our educational system, conserving our alliances with other countries, conserving the health of Americans, conserving our jobs, conserving the spirit of the constitution by not discriminating against people based on sexual orientation.
The “conservative” people I know are only interested in conserving their own personal “wealth”.
Either kind of person can obviously use a Mac, but it’s a fact that the majority of the “conservative” business world uses Windows.
“Conservative” or “liberal” or something else. That’s irrelevant. The people who say they don’t like Macs are generally the ones who (1) have never tried it, (2) have not tried it in the last five years, or (3) have some personal motive for maintaining the Windows “monopoly.”
Can’t do too much about (3), but Apple has been working hard (and succeeding) at reducing (1) and (2). As described in so many articles and blogs recently, all Apple has to do is make someone AT LEAST consider getting a Mac when they shop for their next PC. If that potential customer does not mindlessly buy this month’s cheapest Windows PC from Dell or HP, and considers getting a Mac, Apple has succeeded tremendously. Before iPod and Intel, most Windows users would not even consider a Mac as an option. Now, if they still get that Dell or HP Cheapstation 2100, that’s fine. But at least Apple was on their radar this time.
What more can a conservative or liberal Mac user as for?
It really depends to the definitions you’re using for “liberal” and “conservative.”
True, and American definitions only work in USA too. Besides …
American politics, can anything be more boring?
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Conservative – 3rd
Republican – 4th
Mac User since the Mac Plus days. Creative Ad agency owner. Rotarian and charity supporter. For small Federal Government and bigger local determination.
As for the article: while it’s fair to say that Windows currently owns the desktop, it’s a little far fetched to state that “Little Unix systems pop up here and there.” The author obviously has an agenda and is pretty loose with the “facts” to move his hypothesis forward. Must be taking lessons from Al Gore. …Okay, I couldn’t help getting one dig in.
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Conservative. No Lib Here.
Rush Limbaugh is shrewd, self-serving bore. Does that count as a conservative?
lolol, that’s “your” consciousness. And not all conservatives are Bible bashers. I’m a right-of-center agnostic.
I’m a conservative and have been using Macs since they came out in ’84, and Apple II’s before that. So what.
If you look back at these kind of politico discussions, you will always find that first mud slinging always comes from a liberal, every time. That, and the attempts to shut down any sensible discussion.
And so it is here again:
“gwm Feb 01, 07 – 12:49 am Last time you posted something like this, the place filled up with Nazis claiming to be Mac users. Keepin’ my fingers crossed this time, eh?”
Well done gwm, for immediately jumping at the chance of using emotive stupid language to insult everyone not of your view.
The looney left is for many, quite apt. MagicWord is ‘true’, how apt.
Voted for Reagan twice, Bush the elder twice, then for Dole, then for “W” Bush twice and would do so again if I could. I have used Macs since 1984. Do I win a prize?
Well, it depends on how you’d view a season-ticket to a psychiatrist.
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Another conservative mac user here. The only validity to the conservative shying away from Apple bit is that some are offended by the pro-homosexual stance of the company, giving equal benefits to gays as they do to married couples. I don’t like it, but I realize the company’s headquarters is in California where such policies are common. If I could change their policy I would. I can’t so I just enjoy their products without considering the company a wonderful God-fearing entity.
Some Christians I know will boycott a company for less. I just can’t imagine my life or my work without the Mac.
Conservative. Not a “troll block head.” Wife is liberal and finally converted her to get a Mac for her new job – though it did help that her new company is entirely and Mac shop. But I would agree in principle with the article.
I work at UVa, yes that famous comuter survey released last week was interesting, but Charlottesville is a thriving liberal hub in a very conservative commonwealth. No matter where I go in C-ville, I see Macs all over the place, it is a nice site.
But I also sense a turning in the tide. Consumers are not as blind anymore and computer users are not as gullible. Even among my PC using colleagues, family and friends, many of them will be switching to a Mac for their next computer. Why? They are tired of the Windows morass. They actually just want a computer that works – no hassles. Wow! That tagline sounds soooo familiar.
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Pretty soon, it will be irrelevent wheather you are a liberal or conservative. Computers are slowly becoming a commodity, and when that happens, it will not matter anymore – there will be an expectation that computers work without tinkering around, and the Mac platform is the best positioned to address that going forward. Regardless of Microsoft’s surveyed reputation (previous article today).
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Conservative with a some libertarianism thrown in. BTW, the Instapudit Blog mentioned is libertarian with some conservative leanings, but regularly bashes hypocritical Republicans in addition to bashing liberals.
One of my pet peeves is the attempt by the left to poison all dialogs, even those about non political subjects, with their political agenda. It is a fascistic attempt to monopolize all discussions on all subjects.
I am a Republican here, and an African-American. I am just sick to see how liberals think ALL blacks need to be a democrat. Why?
what an asinine assertion. ugh.
besides, labels like ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ don’t necessarily fit anymore. i’m very conservative on fiscal and foreign policy matters, but i’m socially quite liberal. i’ve voted for both dems and republicans. it depends on the candidate’s stances on the issues. granted, the gop of the last ten years has been anything but fiscally conservative and has been to the right of hitler on social issues, so i haven’t been too enamored of them. but articles like these are just lazy and designed to court controversy.
Totally conservative and I love Apple.
I am an X liberal here!!! The anti-American stance of the modern day Hollywood liberal and 1/2 of my old party leaders made me switch. We are now a county of “Mr. Rogers” gutless wimps. And by the way, “The rich Republican” is Bulllhsiit now. Some of the richest people in our government and big business are Democrats. You are intellectually dishonest with yourself if you believe the rich Republican BS still.
Conservative Libertarian here. Been Mac since 1999.
This is a dippy article. He should have also addressed the “Moron With a Deadline” angle.
I’m not American, if that counts for anything, but am very conservative, and have been a Mac user all my life, will use nothing else. I think the problem is that artists generally have a very liberal attitude to life, and most artists/designers would use Macs, just in case no-one has pointed this out yet!
Let’s see, I wouldn’t be caught dead with a Windows PC, and I sure as hell wouldn’t vote for a Democrat even if you paid me. This stereotype of liberal equals Mac and conservative equals PC is just about as stupid as it gets.
Independent here, but undoubtedly more progressive on social issues than most here. Definitely not a hippie, have a well paying job, and dedicated Mac user. None too pleased with the Republican party right now. Surprised most of you so called conservatives haven’t kicked the current Repub gang out on their ear (well maybe you did in November). The current thugs in the White House, besides being miserable cretins, are free wheeling spenders, they just borrow against their grandchildren.
Whatever happened to the Eisenhower Republicans? I could live with them.
Adam: “Given that both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are big Democrat Party supporters”
Wrong. Bill Gates is a Republican.
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The commentary here just proves two things:
1. There are too many unthinking fools who, whether they self-describe with the liberal or conservative label, parrot silly generalities instead of engaging in reasoning.
2. There is no correlation between choice of platform and intelligence.
MDN MW: “nearly” as in, “nearly all the political commentary posted is tripe.”
Unabashed conservative here who believes that we aren’t learning from history’s leasons when we listen to the Neville Chamberlains who make up the Democratic Party. And, I exclusively use Macs.
I consider Macs to the more “minimalistic” computers – not in terms of features, but in terms of required upkeep, bloatware, etc., and they can be maintained by an average individual (i.e. they don’t require visits from “the Geek Squad”). I my mind, that perfectly correlates with a desire for small efficient government and self-sufficient individuals.
Add my name to the list.
Very conservative and fired Bill, bought my first Mac (and six more). Never looked back!
Life’s short, get a Mac. (I just love that)
I voted for Jimmy Carter . That Was the Only Stupid Vote I ever Did
I am a VERY conservative 37 year old! In both my politics and my theology and I’ve never owned a PC but owned 7 macs plus worked on 2-3 times that.
This is a crazy generalization.
I’m conservative. Have been all my life. And, I’m a Mac user.
Looks like someone’s learned how to troll for hits a la MDN.
This guy is so 90’s with his article. There were more liberals that used Macs back then because you would find them in publishing, graphic arts, and media professions and that’s were the Macs mostly were. Obviously this exposure to Apple products mad them fans. They just happen to be liberal for the most part. It’s not the case so much today.
BTW, I’ve been a conservative all my life. My first computer? An Apple IIc.
I have a small theory. I work in publishing, where Macs are prevalent in most organizations, if not dominant.
Many journalists tend to lean to the left (big shock to those who purport a biased media). Journalists are also very well-read types, and it could be that even conservative writers are visiting this website just to shape their opinions.
And while we’re on the topic of baseless theories, I do have one about why journalists tend to lean to the left. Look at this way: Most of us are relatively poor but have rich educational backgrounds. That means we’re less likely to vote for big business and we probably had two or three gay friends back in college. It’s pretty simple, really.
Hm.. has an excellent point. I think the difference between PC and Mac users are irrelevant to party/political stance. It is more a question of intelligence. Smart people use Mac. Lemmings use PC’s.
End of story.
Of course, as everyone here has pretty much proved, politics has nothing at all to do w/ PC preference.
But I also dispute that PC users are “lemmings.” There are a lot of good reasons one might choose a PC.
1. They want to have the same computer set up (and share software) between work/home. Sure, Macs can run Windows and Parallels, but this needlessly complicates matters. If you just want to use windows and windows softare, why get an expensive (if beautiful) computer that does both?
2. They want to play the most advanced games that either a) aren’t available for Mac or b) would run slowly in Parallels.
3. They want more software choices.
4. PC’s can still be found that are cheaper than Macs.
5. They enjoy programming/PC troubleshooting, and all that technical stuff.
Look, I think Macs are great–I’ve been a loyal user for 20 years–but it’s narrow-minded to think that only a fool would buy a PC. Thankfully, Apple doesn’t think like that (at least not anymore), or they’d never have a shot at making the kinds of improvement (Intel switch, OS X, Boot Camp) that improve market share, etc.
People can say “well, Mac’s can do Windows too, so there’s no reason to
Republican here… social moderate and fiscal conservative. Mac user since 1988. Liberal and conservative are not as important as old and young. Daily Cos is more hip and geared to younger audiences. Older are more likely to go with the PC (shoved on them by their corps over the last 20 years….). That is reflected in the increase in Mac ownership in the colleges et al by incoming students.
I think it more of a “follower” or “independent” kind of thing NOT liberal/conservative.
Mac users of years past have tended to be “independent” thinkers seeking out the BEST computer platform. Where as Windows users have made their purchase due to purely financial reasons or from outside influence with someone telling them that Windows was a great way to go – looking no further.
It’s very obvious to me that there is NO conservative/liberal bias in choosing a Mac.
I tend to be more Liberal. The last Republican I voted for was Ford – because I didn’t know better.
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I don’t think that your politics matter when choosing your computer. There are informed and intelligent people on both sides of the political aisle, and they choose Macs. I’m liberal. There are a number of conservatives on this board. We generally agree about most everything when we talk about computers, and we disagree when we talk politics. So what? I don’t see any relationship between your politics and your computer choice any more than I see a relationship between your choice of breakfast cereals and your computer choice. The only difference is, people are passionate about their politics, and often passionate about their computer choice. They usually are not about breakfast.
Buddy of mine uses a PC because “I can tinker under the hood when it goes wrong, and you can’t do that on a Mac”.
Erm, what do I say? I want a machine to work with, not to repair!
I feel it’s a slight willy-wave (though I don’t offend by saying so!).
He does take apart old cars at weekends, so I guess it makes sense. Sort of.
C’mon, this comes from the daily KOS. Have you ever read anything from that site? Talk about nutjobs….
I’m very conservative and I LOVE Mac. I think it may just “seem” like more Mac users are liberal than conservative because people who lean to the left tend to be more outspoken, artistic, etc. and therefore are more visible than conservatives who tend to be more quiet and reserved.
Well if you’ve been around this site for a while, you’d know that I am a die-hard fire-breathing conservative. (That means “freedom” guys — freedom from economic tyranny, freedom from regulatory tyranny, freedom from governmental tyranny, freedom of self-defense, freedom of association, and so on). That I use Macs has jack to do with politics, and it has 100% to do with efficiency. I got so tired of fixing, patching, fixing, praying, sweating, swearing, bleeding, and crying in attempts to keep my flotilla of PCs running. I switched back in the OS 9 days and it’s been good ever since.
DailyKos is the fever swamp of the American left. Marcos famously said “screw you” to U.S. troops and wished for their deaths. Then, he tried to cover up his actions. I’d like to believe that real liberals have more class than that.
I am a warmonger and I love Apple!
It has always seemed to me that conservatives use macs because they like to use superior systems and that liberals use them just to be different. I am a conservative. I think these articles are just dumb.
It has always seemed to me that conservatives use macs because they like being superior and that liberals use them simply for the sake of being different. I am a conservative, and this article is BS as I have at least 10 conservative friends, all with macs.
I heard Steve Ballmer’s school bus passed a gay man on the street during an elementary school field trip in the early 1970s. It gets worse. The fuel in the school bus came from a Mideast nation with a MUSLIM POPULATION!!! A GAY MAN! MUSLIMS!
Where did I get this information? The freedom-loving Fox News who reported Apple Inc. in Cupertino, California leaked the information to discredit Microsoft on the eve of the Vista launch. Bastards. This is a new low from the godless immoral liberal hippies at Apple. Ballmer is innocent and had nothing to do with either situation.
My thoughts and Christian prayers (are there any other kind?) are with Steve Ballmer and his family at this difficult time. Shame on you, Apple, and thank you Fox News for your diligent, fact-filled, non-sensationalistic journalism.
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MDN, did you realize you would touch off the firestorm of idiocy that these comments reflect? Who gives a shit what your political leanings are? If you are a Mac user, you’re a welcome member of the Apple fan club. Please leave your politics aside.
I think the reason conservative sites are visited by more PC’s is because more businesses use PC’s and conservatives are the ones with jobs.
Liberals can use anything they want at the coffee bar or while smoking dope and planning the overthrow of the U.S. Government just sitting on the couch at home.
Just kidding…
~M
Umm… Should this article go under the Who Give a Shit article?
Do Democrats drive different brand of car than Republicans?
Although I think W is a dipshit I really don’t consider myself either one.
I’m voting for Howard Stern in 08
Conservatives FTW!!
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Flaming liberal (yes, flaming) and I love my mac!
very far from liberal here, dont know where they are getting these ideas from.
Conservative here, for the most part.
But it’s really not a black & white thing. There are issues on both sides that seem just.
Example: I would never own an SUV. I’d have an electric car, if there was a decent one (I buy American). I’m for saving fuel, but believe we should be drilling the hell out of Alaska (and any of our land that keeps us self-sufficient.)
I recycle, and believe in helping the poor (but not through government bureaucracies).
I usually vote Republican. The Democrat leadership have allowed themselves to be too associated with far left wacos.
Oh… Apple user since 1981.
Someone else said it:
Smart people use Macs. It really is like being enlightened to the world of computers that work and are fun.
Just ask any of my converts. Some liberal, some conservative, some could care less. All are thrilled with their Macs.
I am very conservative and I’ve purchased and used Apple computers since 1981. It appears that the Mac transcends politics and idiology.
I am a professional, educated, intelligent, conservative (fiscally, socially, morally), Christian Mac user. The only one of those things that has anything to do with my using a Mac is my intelligence.
What’s really interesting is I went to one of the most conservative Christian colleges in the country, and guess what? All of the computer labs and classes were on Macs except one or two used for teaching programming in very old languages. The bookstore even sold the blueberry iMac.
I didn’t switch to Mac until many years later, but that was my own stupid fault.
So no I don’t think conservatives shun Macs.
Ditto to macca’s comment – well said – I’m in your camp.
The Mac on your desk doesn’t care whether you’re conservative, liberal, fence-sitter, a tree-hugger, a suit-wearer, or anything, really, for that matter.
I’m a conservative and I love Macs! This is a totaly baseless argument and is only because SJ is a liberal and Al Gore is on Apple’s Board of Directors among other reasons is this “Devilstower” making this point.
BTW, Rush Limbaugh is one of the biggest Mac users out there and he’s about as Conservative as they come!
Conservative Mac using Art Director. Eat me.
Let me say for the record that I am utterly shocked by the orderly weighing in of the camps in response to the original question. After I read the MDN abstract I thought somebody was cold and needed some flaming to get warm, but no, its actually pretty civilized – so far.
In a purely politically conservative crowd I appear to be a liberal with right leanings (so I’ve been told), and working in a Christian org. I spend a lot of time around very conservative types. However I’ve noticed the opposite to be true when hanging with a miltantly liberal gathering (miltantly liberal, is that an oxymoron?). I guess maybe I’m looking for real solutions, and I often see the answers coming from complex equations that include such political and social elements as “conservative” and “liberal”, among others.
I see politics as a tool for getting something done, and that’s kind of how I see my Mac too.
I am a artist and a conservative, they can go together!
Just because you hold conservative views doesn’t mean you can’t look outside the box and express what you see visually.
Who the hell CARES???? This is like saying “liberals” like Splenda and “conservatives” like Sweet-N-Low!!! Both sweeten your coffee, it just comes down to personal preference. Some people, “liberal” and “conservative”, like Macs, others like PCs. Some poeple have a choice with the platform they use, others don’t. I use a Mac at home, and I have to use a PC at work. Does that make me a middle-of-the-road type? NO! Stupid, STUPID article that has no real meaning.
I think the lines are better drawn as follows:
1) Mac users…intelligent, good looking people
2) PC users….stupid ugly people
nuff said.
@Jen Voted for Reagan twice, Bush the elder twice, then for Dole, then for “W” Bush twice and would do so again if I could. I have used Macs since 1984. Do I win a prize?
Ypu…here is your Dell.
@Jen
“Voted for Reagan twice, Bush the elder twice, then for Dole, then for “W” Bush twice and would do so again if I could. I have used Macs since 1984. Do I win a prize?”
Yup…here is your Dell
Conservative as they come…Happy Apple user since 1982.
(In 1982, the IIe was provided my parents as I was 11 years old…the computer still works I might add.)
MacBook Pro, eMac, and G4 IBook make up my own family’s lineup now.
This article is totally baseless. I work for a conservative Christian ministry which is an all Mac shop. (Well, except for the PC that FedEx supplies for us, but we don’t ‘own’ it!) And I know of several other conservative Christian ministries that are all Mac shops. The difference I see is Mac-users are more productive. The ministries that use Macs ‘do’ things, while the PC-using ministries just seem to meet about doing things.
Liberal or conservative, Mac users are more productive!
MW: ‘Together’ We may have differences of opinion, but TOGETHER we achieve infinitely more using our Macs!
I would classify myself as a conservative. I want tax breaks, less government, and fewer social programs. I want to keep more of my money. I have had a Mac since my first SE30. That machine was and is awesome. It still works! I boot it up from time to time just to play around. Not one of my older Windows machines will do that. I’ve tried Windows and found it frustrating. On one occasion, I lost an entire hard drive along with all of the ledgers, accounts receivable, and payable. The crash was due to a virus. I was under the delusion and believed the myth of “windows is for business”. That is so wrong! OS X is absolutely awesome. My accountant doesn’t like that I use a Mac, something to do with importing reports into the Windows counterpart. But I don’t care, because I’m paying him. I don’t think the conservative/liberal comparison really holds here. I think a better one would be free-thinking, artistic, and wealthy vs. a need to confrom, lack of creativity, and lack of financial means to purchase. Some people see a $400-600 difference between laptops and opt for the inexpensive Windows model. Sure, I could get along with a Windows machine, but why cruise the information highway in a Yugo when you can afford a BMW?
Devilstower’s rabid fondness of his/her liberal prejudices has suffocated any possibility of unbiased thinking. Devilstower utter failure to abide by any measure of thoughtful analysis and reasonable conclusions is clearly demonstrated by his/her omissions of rigorous and meticulous scientific study. Enderle and Dvorack demonstrate more profound thinking than this individual.
This post also demonstrates MDN’s penchant for stirring the political pot, even if MDN has to resort to using adherents to the lunatic fringe of politic persuasion.
liberal by far
here we go again. gwb is not a conservative. republican does not equal conservative. although democrat does seem to equal socialist. if you worship james madison, you’re a conservative. funny, he was a liberal in his day.
mac user all the way.
In American terms I’d call myself liberal. And yes, I think liberals are more likely to be Mac users than conservatives.
@Jen…yes you do.
Here is your Dell
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Of course, you would. Anyone with the lack of sense as an Al Gore adherent would believe anything as true without a shred of supporting evidence.
Conservative Mac user reporting for duty.
Most U.S. conservatives disapprove of Hitler, and doing so makes them liberals. So it is true that only liberals buy Macs.
For all you Republican Mac users…
Steve Jobs contributes a hefty amount to the Democrats.
Add up all the money you’ve ever spent on apple products.
The Democrats thank you for your contribution.
Absolute GARBAGE AGAIN!
I am involved with a local environmementalist group. Most of them are over the top granola crunching, incense sniffing, anit-war, Bush hating extremeist liberals.
There are about 25 people in the core group. 1/3 of them are College Professors. Only 4 of us have/use Macs. All other liberals were on PC’s.
As a Republican I try to get them to see the light, but they seem too scared to leave their PC’s. I’ve switched more Republicans than Liberals. Guess Rep. are more open minded after all.
And the college where I work, departments are predominantly PC. And it doesn’t get more liberal than this place. But Macs are gaining ground.
Sung to the tune of “The Beverly Hillbillies”
Come and listen to my story ’bout a boy name Bush.
His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he drove all about.
But that didn’t matter ‘cuz his daddy bailed him out.
DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up.
Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale.
He can’t spell his name but they never let him fail.
He spends all his time hangin’ out with student folk.
And that’s when he learns how to snort a line of coke.
Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy.
The next thing you know there’s a war in Vietnam.
Kin folks say, “George, stay at home with Mom.”
Let the common people get maimed and scarred.
We’ll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard.
Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy.
Twenty years later George gets a little bored.
He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord.
He said, “Now the White House is the place I wanna be.”
So he called his daddy’s friends and they called the GOP.
Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms.
Come November 7, the election ran late.
Kin folks said “Jeb, give the boy your state!”
“Don’t let those colored folks get into the polls.”
So they put up barricades so they couldn’t punch their holes.
Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade.
Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in.
Told all the voters “Hey, we want George to win.”
“Stop counting votes!” was their solemn invocation.
And that’s how George finally got his coronation.
Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority.
Y’all come vote now. Ya hear?
I am a fiscal and social conservative, as well as an evangelical Christian. My first Mac was a 512KE in 1987. I would never use anything other than a Mac (I own five) and would rarely vote Democrat unless the candidate was pro-life. I surf conservative websites all the time with my MacBook Pro! To me the world of Microsoft is a lot like the big govenment of liberals. Having said that, I have a kidred spirit with my Mac brethren who are liberals.
Always RIGHT is ALWAYS LEFT!
And full of the Mr. Hanky stuff.
…. and all those liberals who buy Microsoft and PC-related products fund the war in Iraq, global warming, Republican party coffers, etc, etc, etc.
Oh, by the way, there are a lot more PC users than Mac users so liberals send MORE money to Republican interests than conservative give to liberal causes.
How, do like them Apples?
It would be interesting to see if MDN could post IP addresses with each comment, so as to expose the right wing hucksters who multiple post (you know who you are).
ANYHOO-
Who’s the biggest, most liberal spender of all time?
(Hint: he refers to himself, as the “deshizhun maker”).
I mean, really. I understand once, BUT TWICE, people voted for him?
He’s not conservative at all.
Too bad Pat Buchanan didn’t make it. If we have to have a conservative president, he’d be MY choice.
Forget McCain. War hero or not, he took it up the wazoo from his own party, with a smile on his face.
Anyone with the lack of sense as a W adherent would believe anything as true without a shred of supporting evidence.
Q.E.D.
I’m a conservative. I own three Macs at home. My small business is Mac-only.
I’m a Christian, just right of center, Republican Conservative who has used Macs since 1988.
I am forced to use both platforms at work and would love to just trash the Windblows machine.
I have personally owned three Macs (currently running a dual 2.3 ghz G5).
…
My wife, on the other hand leans more toward the liberal side and prefers her Windoze PC.
I guess we both just swim against the current.
So how do all you Mac users here feel about the fact you’re responsible for over 3,000 American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?
Your stupidity knows no bounds! I am not a Bush adherent, despite your biases and prejudices to the contrary. By the way, thanks for giving incontrovertible proof that you are as partisan and as bigoted as the best of the drones of the liberal crowd.
Also, the fact that you have to plagiarize my own thread to make your idiotic comment clearly demonstrates your own laziness and lack of cleverness.
Pathetic.
I’m an atheist and wouldn’t vote for a Republican unless he is a homosexual pedophile with a religious base supporting him — oh, wait. . .
Anyway, I have a Mac.
Magic Word: spirit. Like, totally wholly.
Dear Guility (sic),
It is too bad that this simple article has to turn into such a diatribe for many. But I must respond.
I have been to Iraq. Have you? I took my Powerbook to Iraq and wowed the locals with their pictures on iPhoto. Have you? I have talked to Iraqis about Saddam dipping their loved ones in acid. Have you? I have had Iraqis thank me profusely for my service in liberating their country. Have you? What you see on liberal media is not what is really happening in Iraq. Most of our troops are building roads, schools, hospitals, etc. 80% of the violence is within a 20 mile radius of Baghdad. We must stop that violence, but we’re in a war! I’m proud of my service. I’m proud to have gone to Iraq. I’m proud to be Mac.
Interesting point, revealing IP addresses of all threaders. How would this lack of anonymity preserve the right to privacy, you know, that same thing that you hold so dear and precious yet you condemn the Bush administration of violating? Why let a little thing like the right to privacy interfere with your “liberal” desire to collect personal information of U.S. citizens? Will you develop a liberal McCarthyism black list? Hmmm. May I call you “Joe”?
Also, what about the “names”? Obviously, it is the substance of the threads that offends you. Oh, that’s right! You are humiliated by the threads that contradict your thinking because you can’t muster an intelligent response. Too bad. Well, maybe you just don’t understand the question much less comprehend the problem. Sorry, even I can’t help you there, you’re just going have to learn to deal with reality yourself even if it requires you to endure some painful and long-needed introspection.
There are many highly intelligent people on both sides of the political fence, almost all of whom are good people, who just don’t see eye to eye on certain issues.
The most intelligent of these share several characteristics:
• They don’t bash those on the other side of the fence for their beliefs, but only for their actions;
• They are willing to put the greater good ahead ahead of partisan politics;
• They are willing to work to accomplish a good goal with anyone also willing to work for that goal;
• They use Macintoshes.
Although I am a conservative (not a neo-con) and have been a registered Republican for over 30 years, I highly respect many who are styled “liberals” though I sometimes disagree with their opinions. If more on this forum proceeded from (a) respect for others and (b) acknowledgement that their opinion just might be wrong sometimes, I think we’d all get along better.
(Of course, this is just my opinion, and I might be wrong.)
MW: speak, as in “Speak softly and carry a big stick,” Teddy Roosevelt.
alansky and lolol
Please keep the conservative bashing to yourself. We are not here to debate politics. This is a Mac forum. There is a difference.
Be informed, not lied to. Check out the fact that Guilty is culpable of liberal bias and left wing myths.
I’ll pray for all of you Atheist, and/or anti Christian, far left liberals and maybe even some of you PC adorers.
There. Done. I can’t take it back, it’s out there.
God bless you all.
The cost of the Iraq war through fiscal 2006 is $319 billion. Who’s paying?
BIO-
I have no doubt that your service was exemplary. I also believe what you say about the rebulding effort. No doubt, but there are terrible dictators all over the place who should be removed.
The point is, why are we there in the first place?
(Answer: Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld still had a hard-on for “unfinished business” leftover from Bush seniors’ tenure. The diversion into Iraq was a calculated lie. There has been a long-standing desire on the part of some to “build a road for democracy in the Middle East”. They actually mean oil.)
Where is Bin Laudin? Not in Iraq!
Please don’t tell me “we’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here”. That’s bullshit. What, the Sunnis and Shiite are coming HERE to fight their turf battles?
The 29% of insurgents who are al queda only came to Iraq AFTER we invaded!
Unfortunately, money resources and lives are being wasted.
While the Bush administration has made some good inroads, we are WOEFULLY UNPREPARED.
The hotbed for breeding radical muslim fundementalism is NOT Iraq.
@@ Guilty (yes you are)-
Gosh, thanks for that highly regarded and credible new source.
Not quite on the same level, though, of Faux “news” InfoTainment (TM).
the awesomeness of Apple and the Mac transcends all differences. end of story.
This really all boils down to money. When I was poor, I thought like a liberal. I wanted the government to help me. However, now that I’m rich and wealthy, I want to the government to stay out of my business. I now think more like a conservative. I really don’t care how many people die in any war as long as I’m making more and more money. Now, rich or poor, I have always prefered to use Macs because they are the best computers on the market.
I think the question itself is totally out of line. I’m a liberal atheist, and I love my Mac. I have a great friend who is a conservative Opus Dei catholic and he loves his Mac (yes, we’re great friends. Weird, uh?)
The hard fact is, among liberals and conservatives, there are smart ones and dumb ones. Also, among liberals and conservatives, there the brainless sheeps and the thinking leaders. There are computer illiterate conservatives and liberals.
So, the conservative/liberal choice can not be of any significance when choosing an operating system. What does it have to do with anything? It’s just plain stupid.
If you agree you want a better OS, a computer that just works, a great quality product, and a great experience when using your computer, you’ll choose a Mac, regardless how liberal or conservative you are.
God, am I the only democrat here?
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All for big government and lower national debt. I’m just a little environmentalist who likes to smile at things like Happy Feet.
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more bullshit posters.
Losers.
not you, grifterus
Hey, this is interesting!
(Olberman vs. Oreilly poll)
http://news.aol.com/entertainment/tv/dailypulse/071106/_a/cable-clash/20060711101609990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Conservative mac user here.
btw macca, if you consider the GOP for the last 10 years to be right of Hitler on social issues, you don’t have to worry about label ambiguity: “liberal” fits you nicely.
Who the heck is this anonymous coward and why is he talking to me? How brave of you to harass and badmouth people on a www forum.
$319 billion. Still counting. Who’s paying? Anyone know?
Hmmn?
Hello…….
If you look back at these kind of politico discussions, you will always find that first mud slinging always comes from a liberal, every time.
A true sign of a delusional person. And no, I’m not gonna waste my time proving something so completely obvious to someone so completely one-sided.
What a dumb article. Devilstower’s perspective from inside a basket.
LinuxGuy,
While I respect all of your posts, and also bond with you on your investment attitudes toward Apple, I have to say this:
If you think “poisoning all dialogs, even those about non political subjects, with their political agenda.” is something only the “left” does, you are a fool. From my perspective, the “right” does it way more than the “left” but I am willing to acknowledge my own skew and say both sides do it equally as much.
Maybe early on, with all of the artist-types preferring Apple Macintosh graphic oriented computers to Windows terminals. But now, everyone is buying Macs, so that old stereotype doesn’t really work anymore. Soon, we’ll all be Mac users.
I’m a liberal myself, but don’t be hating. 😀
Conservative, in the modern American sense, on domestic policy, international affairs, and some social issues. Interesting that, as Macaday pointed, that the libs on this thread first jumped at the opportunity to curse and use foul language towards those with whom they disagree. That’s all that needs to be said about them.
Recovering Euro,
XOXOXO
“while it is not true that all conservatives are idiots, it is true that the vast majority of idiots are conservative.”
The left one is swollen and a little tender, and I have since switched to loose fitting pants. Thanls for the advice.
Am I on the wrong dam forum again?…
MW:hell, as in “hell”
Do more Florida fans or more FSU fans use Macs? More Alabama fans use Mac’s than Auburn fans? Do higher percentages of Jews use Macs than Christians or Muslims? Any Hindu Mac users out there? What does it matter? If you met me at a Macworld vendor booth we would probably hit it off pretty well because we both really love our Macs. That’s the thing with a Mac…You Love it. You like the way it looks and works. You appreciate the fact that it doesn’t primarily run Windows. PC only users just don’t really care that much. They believe in the fallacy that you can’t find the compatible versions of PC software for OS X. They don’t realize how incredibly easy and logical OSX is. Allot of people still believe that Macs are more costly than PC’s and don’t consider all the cool software that comes with OSX..widgets,itunes,imovie,garageband….on and on.
Is it relevant if we are liberal or conservative? My entire neighborhood is 95% Republican. My county is probably close to that. I still have healthy relationships with many people who I disagree with politically. Some of my best friends are Republicans, use PC’s. I have switched some to MAC. I have a liberal friend who teaches university classes on PC, but has a MAC in his office. His brother, another liberal, would never stray from a PC.
That’s why I don’t think that this conversation is relevant. People who use Mac’s can be good people whether conservative or liberal.
So, that said. Go Obama / Biden 08′
Conservatives are, by definition, herd-followers and afraid to think that anything could ever be better than their own insular world.
So it may not be a 100% rule, but it’s a likely pattern!
i’m conservative,.. and a mac freak. always have been. always will be.
As for me and most of my Mac using friends, we’re all pretty conservative. I’ve been a faithful Mac user since the Reagan years. (that’s the 80’s for kids that don’t remember any presidents before Clinton.) I would think Apple’s user base would be predominantly conservative since you need a steady source of income or be able to hold down a job of some kind to actually afford one. Most of my liberal friends that even use computers are using Dells because it’s all they can afford. And strangely enough, I and many of my conservative friends are professional musicians as well. Oh and Libs, your politics and your worldview is entirely screwed up as shit. You’re ruining the country. This country is a republic not a democracy. You know, Steve Jobs is a capitalist first and foremost. He’s just a “democrat” because he feels he needs to be perceived as anti-establishment I suppose. He’s rich enough where it wouldn’t matter if our sovereignty was disolved and we became the North American Union and all had to use Spanish as our main language. Interestingly, Apple has flourished under a republican administrations, both at the beginning of the company, and now the recent resurgance. I recall the darkest time at Apple during a democratic administration. I suppose they’re doing so well now because the economy is doing so well…under a republican administration…during wartime. Pretty soon I’ll be placing calls from my iPhone to my liberal acquaintances’ pay phones that they have to run down the street every day to make their calls. I’ll ask them who they’re voting for next time around. Ha ha.
COMPUTERS ARE NOT POLITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anybody who buys this crap on what this hack is writing for in is magazine is a complete and total moron. Only a bonehead would listen to the other bonehead on this garbage. If you have a brain and common sense, you would know that computers can’t get up and walk and vote at the voting booth. Computers can’t give money for campaigns. It does not matter if your a conservative or a bleeding-heart liberal, a Republican or a democrat. Most of your companies have so called liberals on the company board who makes the computers. You may call them liberals, but i call them secret communists!!
“So here’s a question: why? Why do liberals like Macs, while conservatives shun them?”
All of his theories are completely wrong.
What do political leanings have to do with one’s choice of computer??
I’m right-of-center, consider myself conservative, and have used Apple II’s and Macs since 1983.
Microsoft’s products, leadership, and all-out rejection of religion (they openly say it’s a waste of their “valuable time”) helps make for an easy choice.
IMO Al Gore’s Apple board seat and Steve Jobs’ political donations are necessary ills. I’d rather have profits from my loyalty be pissed to the Democrats, than see it awarded to Ballmer or Gates.
One more point:
An Apple Mac is not a Toyota Prius.
For the most part people don’t buy Macs to make a political statement.
People buy Macs because they’re a better product.
It’s that simple. Political theory is just reading into something that isn’t there.
Dad is a diehard lib with socialistic ideals and he has had nothing but a pc with windows. My wife and kids diehard Apple and conservative. Oh yeah and homeschooled too. Go figure!
Do liberals like Apple Macs, while conservatives shun them?
If this thread is any indicator, I say the answer is no. It’s funny how
in our culture we are always seeking something divisive.
Conservative Mac users RULE! We have more money than hippies and drop outs. We can afford Macs.
Love hearing Rush Limbaugh brag about how he love his Apple Computers. Has since the Gulf War broadcasts.
A great computing is bipartisan.
Hmm. when i used my first mac in 1985 i was extremely “conservative”. I thought all minorities were lazy, democrats stupid and that tree huggers were avoiding real jobs. If businesses could only break free of restrictions, the world would be a better place.
Now I’m much older. You’d be hard pressed to find a greener lefty liberal. I’ve gone WAAAY past democrat. I’m so far left i’m almost conservative again. I firmly believe minorities still get the crap stick and that poverty is often a side effect of past “conservative” actions. I still think democrats are stupid, but I have a real job and i bought a bunch of trees to save them from the chainsaw. Vegan. Major recycler. If multinational corporations could only be destroyed and their board executed, the world would be a better place.
Anyways, my point being that I’ve been a diehard mac user during the whole redneck->socialist conversion so i cant see much merit in the politic/platform comparison.
I am a conservative, long-time Mac owner/user.
My first Mac was a Mac 512K later upgraded to a MacPlus.
But I do have to admit, it is painful buying my Macs from Apple with a leftist Steve Jobs president and a leftist moron Al Gore board member.
Mac user for 20 years, conservative for LIFE.
Libertarian/Conservative Mac lover.
Wow this comments area sure went to hell, didn’t it?
The majority of the mac users that I know are conservative. I believe that my friends who love (?) their pc’s are liberal. The pc users claim they are more cost effective. I do not know of any hospitals that are using macs. (A software vender I know claims that there are pc’s in hospitals however.)
I have two Dell Precision PC’s that appear to be reliable.
Steve
“A software vender I know claims that there are PC’s in hospitals however.”
Now THAT is the scariest thing I’ve heard said in this whole long thread of discussion!
Libertarian. Mac user since 1985.
Conservative here. It’s obvious MDN is also. Read between the lines.
Bullshit.
I am not a political extremist, by any means, but I am closer to the right than the left, and I have always been an Apple fan.
A lot of people don’t really know where their own political views actually fit in the “left/right” spectrum.
The Political Compass has an interesting test to gauge your political leanings. Try it, you might be surprised…
Thanks, Larry. I didn’t realize I was so much a Libertarian.
What makes you think that I care about what irritates your childish sensibilities?
Not sure what the American definition of liberal is – somewhere slightly to the right of Margaret Thatcher I suspect – but it’s hard to see how Macs can be seen as a left wing choice. Everything about them says ‘elitist’, not least the price which excludes a high proportion of the population. OS X is the gated community of computing – very pretty, very secure from nasty intruders, but somehow cut off from the real world.
Perhaps the conclusion would have been different had political sites not been used as the source of the info. Wealthy “Liberals” (in the American sense) tend to be more focussed on politics and government, since in their view the status quo needs to be challenged. Wealthy “Conservatives” in contrast are happier with the status quo, so will have a broader range of subjects they browse for on the Web rather than concentrating on political sites. So even though it’s wealth that probably defines whether someone has a Mac or not, “Liberal” Mac users get over-represented in the results.
The Political Compass tells me that I am very libertarian. Yes, but…
And that but is all important. The reason I think corporations ought to be closely watched and regulated, for instance, is to keep the free market really free and open, not because I have a “socialist” ideology about government organizing and controlling production or consumption. So these stupid political labels tell us nothing at all about what people think, or whether they think, about any particular issue. Labels are as annoying to me as the idiotic questionnaires I sometimes get from political parties, pollsters, etc. that offer no opportunity to qualify one’s responses. They offer packaged and polarized opinions and as such are useless.
I think it’s really just religious fanatics who are generally less technically adept using the PCs. Little to do with classical conservatism or liberalism.
I seems that if rates of political rants are decreasing that it is time to play the religious card to foment another round of diatribes. I wonder, when the race card, gender card, and nationalistic cards will be played to stimulate responses.
Why should anyone with your lack of intelligence and ardent bigotry be taken seriously?
If you like Bush. get your brain checked.
Conservative Ditto Hates:
The Beatles
John Lennon
Apple
Clinton
Global warming
Liberals
These are tell tale signs.
Conservatives tend to be status quo herd type sheeple so it’s no surprised they go with Windows.
I think Billy Gates funded this story to create division among the Mac ranks.
Thanks for confirming your candidacy for town idiot. You may pick up your dunce cap and Pampers from the Democratic committee headquarters.
I’m the guy in a suit in the Apple store. Yes I’m a conservative. Been a Apple fan for a long time, wrote programs for my Newton.. etc. As an independent consultant, my MacBook Pro is the focal point of my business. Keynote, Pages, podcasts and books on my ipod etc it all is so much more efficient than anything in the Win world. I’m sure more small businesses will migrate to Mac.
ITs funny to see liberals who think they are so smart and that they use Macs because they are so smart. Its not surprising to see conservatives who use macs.
But what’s really sad is the namecalling going on. I can’t stand conservatives, but liberals give them a run for their money in anti-intellectualism.
And the reality is both Democrats and Republicans are socialists, and thus evil.
Libertarians want the government out of your bedroom and out of your gun safe and off of your back. Liberals and conservatives are just arguing over who gets the spoils.
The only thing that can be said is genearlly the ones who are willign to think for themselves use Macs and the sheeple use PCs. Ideally everyone who uses a Mac would think for themselves and reject conservatism and liberalism and embrace liberty.
Eventually, you silly “conservative” MACHEADS will come around to the right way of thinking.
Sure, after I lobotomize myself with a 2-inch Forsner bit.
Those freakin’ Jersey broads use Macs to e-mail Osama bin Laden. ‘Nuff said.
“Conservatives tend to be status quo herd type sheeple so it’s no surprised [sic] they go with Windows.”
And Liberals tend to be status quo herd type sheeple who go with Macs?
You are an idiot. Please go away.
I am a university professor with undeniable proof that the majority of conservatives don’t use macs because they use malaysian childeren to do the computations.
I have no political affiliation (or inclination). And I do favor Mac OS X over all other operating systems, as well as Apple over the Dells, HPs and Microsofts of the world.
Do we count? I wonder how many of us are out here…
Notice how many liberal threads become increasingly childish, illogical, and ridiculous once they begin to lose their arguments. Running from the hard facts of reality, many liberals quickly retreat into their individual fantasy world where everything is safe and happy and monochrome. You liberals have no idea how much satisfaction I receive reading your threads submitted from planet Delusion.
Laughing at Liberals.
You must be hung over.
Look at any of these threads, where I post a quesion, or statement.
Response?
“Creepy” “very disgusting person’ “scary, very scary”.
You actually sound a lit too petulant, to me.
That’s the thing about whiney republicans.
Thin skinned. No balls, can dish it it out, not to good at taking it.
Now, here’s a question Try to answer.
IS The President, (besides being a chicken-shit liar) and IDIOT?
Here, review the following exchange.
I report. You decide. Fair and balanced.
REPORTER: What do you think tribal sovereignty means in the 21st century, and how do we resolve conflicts between tribes and the federal and state governments?
DUBYA: Yeah — tribal sovereignty means that, it’s sovereign. It’s — you’re a — you’re a — you’ve been given sovereignty, and you’re — viewed as a sovereign entity. [Laughter emanates from the audience]
REPORTER: Okay.
DUBYA: And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between — sovereign entities.
— Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004
However, for the full effect, and a spendid demonstration of how truly stupid George the Chimp is, I recommend accessing the page itself, and listening to the audio clip (halfway down the page).
http://www.dubyaspeak.com/audio.phtml?year=2004
(This must drive you ditto heads up the wall, eh?).
You display your complete ignorance assuming that I am a supporter of GW, possibly because you reside in that sad world of left-wing self-delusion where people such as yourself are rapidly assimilated into the liberal collective of weak-minded drones programmed to think and act alike.
If twice-serving George Bush is such an idiot how pathetically stupid must Democratic presidential candidates be not to get elected as chief executive?
You are a nut.
Do you hear voices?
My family makes an upper bracket income. We believe in what the constitution says. All men are created EQUAL, Not “All white males and some rich colored guys are created equal. Women are okay because we like to let them think they are important, just as long as they don’t get out of line. Gays are untouchables who don’t even deserve to work, say, marry, love, unless they sell their souls to religon, and drunkenly molest / pander the attentions of young boys/men all the while recitering chapter and verse the party line that has led to their own intolerance for themselves.
No, but I do read quite a lot of mind-warped nonsense from you and your political kin. Thanks again for proving my point. You left-wingers are so predictable, it’s absolutely uncanny.
Yes, folks, there’s no need to throw objectivity out the window. Thankfully, Canadians have a passionate and dedicated free press that is not beholden to the pseudo-science special interest groups. Dare you page through and read [url=”http://www.canadafreepress.com/global-warming.htm
“]reasons to doubt Al Gore’s mythology?[/url]
Ah, the beauty of freedom of speech. Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Ann Coulter’s Camel Toe?
steve jobs is a dem. and most Mac users are. get a life neo conservatives.
I’ll say this again: During the administration of President Bill Clinton, the US. Enjoyed more peace and economic prosperity then at any other time in the nations history. He turned the greatest fiscal deficit in American history into a SURPLUS.
George W. Bush: 3000 Troops DEAD at the hands of GW
any comments on bush’s largest ever trade deficit????
any comments on bush’s largest Federal deficit????
Religions are successful cults
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silver slicker,
During the administration of Clinton; the US watched him only spend two weeks fighting for no increase in taxes but “he just couldn’t do it”, not do something about the first attack on the World Trade Center, you think Bush sent troops to die needlessly try watching “Black Hawk Down”, numerous affairs instead of staying loyal to his wife, and living off of the great economic foundation that Reagan built.
Clinton didn’t do ANYTHING to create a surplus! WE DID! The American people engaging in commerce in spite of a government that CONFISCATES our hard earned income.
Atheists think they have nowhere to go and want everyone to follow them.
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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Ronald Reagan LMFAOOOOOO let me think what did he do…..(thinking…….) OH YEAH 10 MILLION people died of AIDS at the hands of that old wrinkled up fool before he even mentioned a word about yeah he was good…
THINK PEACE you fools thats what solves problems diplomacy
MDN word: new as in we NEED a new president