President Trump uses three Apple iPhones, one of which is unsecured

“When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iPhones to gossip, gripe or solicit their latest take on how he is doing, American intelligence reports indicate that Chinese spies are often listening — and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work the president and affect administration policy, current and former American officials said,” Matthew Rosenberg and Maggie Haberman report for The New York Times. “Mr. Trump’s aides have repeatedly warned him that his cellphone calls are not secure, and they have told him that Russian spies are routinely eavesdropping on the calls, as well. But aides say the voluble president, who has been pressured into using his secure White House landline more often these days, has still refused to give up his iPhones. White House officials say they can only hope he refrains from discussing classified information when he is on them.”

“The officials said they have also determined that China is seeking to use what it is learning from the calls — how Mr. Trump thinks, what arguments tend to sway him and to whom he is inclined to listen — to keep a trade war with the United States from escalating further. In what amounts to a marriage of lobbying and espionage, the Chinese have pieced together a list of the people with whom Mr. Trump regularly speaks in hopes of using them to influence the president, the officials said,” Rosenberg and Haberman report. “Officials said the president has two official iPhones that have been altered by the National Security Agency to limit their abilities — and vulnerabilities — and a third personal phone that is no different from hundreds of millions of iPhones in use around the world. Mr. Trump keeps the personal phone, White House officials said, because unlike his other two phones, he can store his contacts in it… the calls made from the phones are intercepted as they travel through the cell towers, cables and switches that make up national and international cellphone networks. Calls made from any cellphone — iPhone, Android, an old-school Samsung flip phone — are vulnerable.”

“Administration officials said Mr. Trump’s longtime paranoia about surveillance — well before coming to the White House he believed that his phone conversations were often being recorded — gave them some comfort that he was not disclosing classified information on the calls,” Rosenberg and Haberman report. “In an interview this week with The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Trump quipped about his phones being insecure. When asked what American officials in Turkey had learned about the killing of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, he replied, ‘I actually said don’t give it to me on the phone. I don’t want it on the phone. As good as these phones are supposed to be.'”

“He does not use email, so the risk of a phishing attack like those used by Russian intelligence to gain access to Democratic Party emails is close to nil. The same goes for texts, which are disabled on his official phones,” Rosenberg and Haberman report. “His Twitter phone can connect to the internet only over a Wi-Fi connection, and he rarely, if ever, has access to unsecured wireless networks, officials said.”

Read more in the full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: There’s a lot of conjecture in the full article, but what it boils down to is that, according to sources, Trump sometimes uses an iPhone to make calls to friends and he seems to be well aware that these calls are insecure. What’s never posited in the article, strangely, is the possibility that Trump could purposely say things on these calls that he wants potential eavesdroppers to hear. If you knew your voice calls on a certain device could be listened to by adversaries, you’d use that to your advantage, right?

Regardless, there’s no email or texting, so there’s no risk there and the biggest risk possible, the nightmare scenario: an Android phone, doesn’t exist either.

As the article states, calls made from any cellphone by anyone could be vulnerable to those who are determined to eavesdrop.


          1. Oh I do. If that stuff was illegal (it seems like it was, but I’m no lawyer) she should have to suffer the consequences like everybody else. But via a trial, and conviction. Not a mob hanging. I don’t support criminal behavior on either side.

            1. No, I doubt it and oblivious you would know the facts by now. Briefly, SHE was found innocent before her FBI interview and exonerated by the head of the FBI. In short, the Obama regime fix was in and fully blessed by the media. The list of federal laws she broke has been reported and ignored. No political family since the beginning of time has gotten away with more than the Clintons…

          2. Interesting how you forget a Republucan controlled investigation costing tens of millions failed to find evidence of criminality despite every possible despatate attempt they could muster. Oh yeah, it was Obama’s fault. Yeah, that’s it. Obama did it.

            Brainless fool making a joke of yourself. Sad, very sad. Disgraceful. People tell me that. Yes, people are saying that. You should listen because that’s what they are saying.

            1. “Brainless fool making a joke of yourself. Sad, very sad. Disgraceful. People tell me that. Yes, people are saying that. You should listen because that’s what they are saying.”

              Is that right? Well, I’m all torn up and will just wilt like a wallflower and go away because the far left dislikes me, puhleeze.

              Thanks, you are yet another far left poster piling on. Know I’m doing something RIGHT and makes me stronger.

              Sorry, the exact opposite of what you hoped to achieve. Shamed by Libtards? Not now, not EVER…

      1. I don’t chant “lock him up” without a trial and conviction. I don’t promise a million dollars to charity if a senator can prove her ethnicity, and then lie about it and not pay. I don’t accept 100% of what comes out of 45’s mouth since he lies so incredibly often. I’m might be right more often than the average GOP’er.

        1. NO wrong quote, the correct usuage is “lock her up.”

          Welcome @Leftist to the MDN discussion and just wondering if you are brand new, or yet another regular poster changing your screen name?…

          1. Been posting here since ‘07 off and on, always as “leftist”.

            The kind folks at the recent Ted Cruz rally were just chanting “lock him up” about Beto. He isn’t even involved in a scandal. Wtf? Yet is the left wing “mob”

            I know the conservatives on this site are intelligent, although quite dickish sometimes. Serious question, are you really ok with the hostility and hate your base has come to represent? I can’t stand being played by democratic politicians, are you really just fine with Mr. Trump lying to you constantly?

            1. “Been posting here since ‘07 off and on, always as “leftist”.

              Ok, thanks. Must have been awhile. I have been posting since the beginning on and off, sometimes years apart, and my screen names have changed over time. Have more time on my hands these days.

              “I know the conservatives on this site are intelligent, although quite dickish.” NO, certainly not all. Yes, I have allowed myself to contribute because I have never suffered fools lightly and my impatience sometimes gets the best of me. That said, the vitriol on the LEFT is the worst it has ever been and wrongly based on dogma and emotion — not facts at times and that gets my Irish up. Working on it.

              “Serious question, are you really ok with the hostility and hate your base has come to represent?”

              Both parties are guilty. But the Democrats are off the charts lately and they are running away on the scoreboard, not even close.

              That said, right back at you. Are you ok with the hostility and hate your base has come to represent the past two months?

              I just saw several vignettes of Democrats on several liberal news channels today ALL blaming the pipe bomb mailings on the rhetoric of President Trump. One CNN Democrat said “Trump has unleashed the dogs of hate.”

              Couple thoughts:

              This is what Democrats are much better at circling the wagons and unified delivering the same talking points in unison. Obviously, a coordinated effort to deflect attention from their hateful rhetoric lately in a dishonest scapegoat attempt to blame away their culpability and transfer it to the president. Like they are Angels, puhleeze. This political ploy is so transparent and insults intelligent people in all parties.

              Holder, Hillary, Waters, DeNiro, Biden have advocated daily uncivil behavior against Republicans and a few advocated direct physical VIOLENCE. In addition to stalking, public harassment, mobs around their homes and bullhorns late at night. This just has to STOP.

              No one needs lectures from the uncivil hypocrites on the left at this time. Not one statement today from the Democrats calling for civility and fairness to cool the rhetoric. As I said above, instead we get a unified effort to excuse their responsibility. Shameful double standard and proud the president is the only adult calling for calm while the Democrats play their petty political blame game.

              All the recent bomb mailings went to the most hateful rhetoric on the Democrat side. Madonna got a pass, but that was two years ago where she thought about blowing up the White House. I don’t condone this criminal act and hope the perpetrator is brought to justice.

              Bottom line: The Democrat coordinated blame game LOST. The unifying message of the president WINS…

      2. Here come the well worn rightie talking points. All predictable: everything that ever goes wrong is the fault of Obama, Clintons, CNN, Fake This and Liberal That.

        Once you get past the label pasting any intelligent person can see it’s all bullshit. Smoke and mirrors to cover up the GOP money men filling their pockets.

        Oops, I observed what is plain as day to anyone with a brain. Does that suddenly make me a flaming liberal? Cue the regular blowhards. I am a registered republican, but the Trump backers are making me rethink what kind of government I should leave the kids. Trump and his kind are trashing the future in too many ways to count.

        1. Thank you, KennyT, for that accurate and precise description of the right wing. The will continue to support the fascist antics of 45 no matter what because they are locked into a cult of personality. Of course, none of them even know what that is, but we’re not supposed to point out their ignorance – it’s so civil to let people stew in lies and hate. #sarcasm

  1. So MDN calls out the article for using conjecture, but then conjectures that maybe Trump is deliberately saying things he wants people to hear. Pot – meet kettle.
    Lame, MDN. Very lame.

    1. “If you knew your voice calls on a certain device could be listened to by adversaries, you’d use that to your advantage, right?”

      Obviously and of course, unless you suffer from TDS like NYT and joebloggs, then logic and simple rational thought elude you completely.

    2. MDN is giving Trump WAY TOO MUCH credit. More likely he doesn’t want any White House records on who he calls to give national secrets to . . . If he can remember any.

      1. When are you going to post facts instead of OPINION?

        “MDN is giving Trump WAY TOO MUCH credit.”

        MDN is giving credit where credit is due.

        My credit to the president is the old country saw, “dumb as a fox.”

        Keep under estimating this man, he has proven over and over again for years he can handle ANYTHING…

        1. Well, the only fact in this story is that Mr. Trump uses a personal, unsecured phone that is being listened to by the Chinese and Russians. Full stop.

          Now for opinion, I find it absolutely hilarious that his staff are hoping he doesn’t accidentally pass on classified material during these calls. But they’re not too worried about it as he doesn’t pay attention to the classified defense briefings anyway.


          “Administration officials said Mr. Trump’s longtime paranoia about surveillance — well before coming to the White House he believed that his phone conversations were often being recorded — gave them some comfort that he was not disclosing classified information on the calls. They said they had further confidence he was not spilling secrets because he rarely digs into the details of the intelligence he is shown and is not well versed in the operational specifics of military or covert activities.”

          1. The article simply said it is possible the Russians and Chinese are listening in on one iPhone. They offered ZERO evidence to back that up and did not cite one conversation that breached national security.

            That’s because they have no proof or idea what the president is talking about. Typical Times “guilt by association” possibility reporting. So you are wrong to say they are definitely listening, but yes it is entirely possible. Way to go, Apple.

            NYT: “Administration officials said Mr. Trump’s longtime paranoia about surveillance — well before coming to the White House he believed that his phone conversations were often being recorded — gave them some comfort that he was not disclosing classified information on the calls.”

            Again, “gave them some comfort that he was not disclosing classified information on the calls.”

            You call that opinion? Almost the entire article is opinion and your proclaimed fact is a guess.

            Nuff said…

        2. “He (Trump) is a f***ing moron”
          –Rex Tillerson, former States Secretary of State

          He uses an unsecured smartphone. (that alone should be enough to lock him up)

          He was caught passing national secrets to the Russians putting lives in danger.

          He is the Lier-in-Chief. The guy can’t put two words together without it being a lie.
          He doesn’t like me, but he thinks you are in idiot or believing him. {Trump’s thought bubble – I just told them that the tax cut for the rich is for the middle class and doesn’t benefit me in any way, even thought is specify included a tax cut for golf club owners. These people will believe ANYTHING I tell them}

        3. Goober sez “When are you going to post facts instead of OPINION?”

          thats a question readers have been wondering about the goober. the shit from trumps water boy never has facts just insults.

          1. “thats a question readers have been wondering about the goober. the shit from trumps water boy never has facts just insults.”

            Piling on? I’ll make an exception here to my policy of not responding to total idiots.

            “never has facts just insults.”

            “Never” is an absolute statement that only idiots use. It is certainly not true 100% of the time. Let this BS go easily in the past, but I read more parrots reproducing lately.

            I post plenty of quotes, newspaper links and facts as I see fit. Latest example is the Elizabeth Warren DNA controversy.

            Stop LYING…

            1. Goeb you gotta be really stupid to believe blowhard Trump is anything but a cheerleader for the the most vile corrupt self serving rich. News flash, dumbass: Trump inherited all his wealth, as a businessman he’s repeatedly proven himself dumb as a box of bricks. His role for the GOP is to rile you up into a paranoid xenophobe so the corrupt rich can take even more. it is working, Cesar. Trump has inspired nothing but hate in his base, which is why you are here ruining a computer forum with your goddamn hate speech politics

            2. “Goeb you gotta be really stupid to believe blowhard Trump is anything but a cheerleader for the the most vile corrupt self serving rich.”

              You gotta be really stupid if you don’t understand President Trump is a cheerleader for ALL the people, including you, and for the U.S. around the world. Watch the genuine enthusiasm in the eyes and smiles of people at any of his free wheeling rallies. Real, not staged and you can feel the wave of love and affection. Never seen anything like it, priceless!

              “as a businessman he’s repeatedly proven himself dumb as a box of bricks.”

              Yeah, all billionaires that build skyscrapers and golf courses all around the world, negotiate with world leaders, run successful TV shows, write bestsellers and marry models are “dumb.” He never earned a dime, is that what your are saying? Right, on to the next fairly tale.

              “His role for the GOP is to rile you up into a paranoid xenophobe so the corrupt rich can take even more.”

              Do you have to be so obvious and clueless at the same time. You have absolutely NO idea what the president’s role is for the GOP or the American people. For the rich? Two words: Clinton Foundation. Just more tired stereotypes.

              “Trump has inspired nothing but hate in his base”

              TOTALLY FALSE! Keep telling yourself that — self hypnosis is what is needed here for the most ridiculous accusation. President Trump’s supporters know better than you ever will.

              “which is why you are here ruining a computer forum with your goddamn hate speech politics”

              Now you are swearing at God, how noble. You, Democrats and the media have your own hand and responsibility in all this. For example, your post contains hate speech, lies, disrespect, personal and presidential insults and attacks.

              Bottom line: it’s everyone’s fault, HYPOCRITE. Practice what you preach. Nothing has been ruined, get a grip…

  2. This NYT article is a joke. If you’re an addled Lib, replace Trump with Obama and you’ll see how one-sided it is, What’s described can only be BAAAD, according to the NYT. That Trump could use this to his, and the country’s, advantage is never even considered.

    Kudos to MDN for pointing this out. MDN delivers consistently balanced, dispassionate Takes. That some of you TDS victims think MDN is “Pro Trump” only highlights how brainwashed you are. If Trump is so “stupid,” what does that make the so-called “smartest women in America” who he vanquished despite having the entire establishment, including many in his own party against him?

    President Trump is a true change agent president and we haven’t had one of those since Reagan.

    1. Yeh, the “true change” of
      – Making the US a joke, worldwide
      – Ceding leadership in the world to Jina and Russia
      – Destroying democracy

      So have you seen the recent speech from your senile man-baby’s best friend, Vlad the Impaler?
      Vlad said:
      – The age of the US is over.
      – Trump takes his advice.
      And then, later, he insulted the Seal of the US, while Bolton just simpered and smiled.

    2. “Change agent” indeed.

      If Obama achieved in eight years 10% of what President Trump achieved in less than two years he would be heralded as the greatest president in modern history.

      The point is BLIND MEDIA BIAS…

      1. Let’s see here… in less than two years he has inspired the attempted assassinations of two ex-presidents, four other current or former officials, and a philanthropist. He then made a speech blaming CNN for that without mentioning that they were one of the victims. This within a week of congratulating somebody convicted of body slamming a reporter.

        Just as well Obama didn’t do 10% of that.

        1. … hard to tell that you’re a CNN aficionado. Try looking elsewhere to find out what the President has actually been able to accomplish in two years, all the while having to battle the fake news and all of you drama queen libtards.

          1. It is horrifying that any purported American could think that pointing out that someone just tried to blow up their newsroom makes me a CNN aficionado. Or that attacking the media with bombs and body slams is consistent with any form of nationalism other than fascism. Or that it is OK to equate a political protest in a restaurant with attempted ex-presidential assassinations and serial attempted murder. Or that I must be a fake Republican because only Democrats think that political violence and the threat of violence is unacceptable.

            Willkommen to Amerika,
            …to America.

        2. It’s imbecilic and childish to blame others for your own actions. Trump has never called for violence against political adversaries. He only calls them names to brand them. It’s the media that claims his rhetoric is violent but none of their listeners actually listen to the source himself. Which by the way is how many former Democrats #WalkAway when they discover the media has been lying to them.

          The count is up 613 acts of violence and harassment by the left against Trump supporters, the fake pipe-bombs notwithstanding that smells strongly of a false flag operation.

          1. “has never called for violence against political adversaries”

            You mean, other than all the numerous times he has. One example is asking his supporters to rough up protesters at his rallies, even saying he’d pay their legal fees.

          2. It’s imbecilic and childish to blame others for your own actions. Except that’s all Trump does. Call everything fake and manufacture another crisis. Cannot believe anyone would trust him as dog catcher.

        3. Well, well, well, the FAKE lying conservative is OVERDOSING on CNN again with his tinfoil hat on too tight.

          Sorry, I’m enjoying your personal problem that you feel the need to try yet another desperate attempt to NEGATE the amazing accomplishments and historic successes of President Trump. Only thing left to say on the matter is I feel your political pain.

          Breaking News: This week Trump’s approval numbers hit the HIGHEST mark of his presidency and two points higher than Obama at the SAME DATE in his first term. Was that on all the front pages and leading all television newscasts, hell NO!

          Binging on CNN, reading NYT and Mother Jones you would NOT know that unless they buried it deep in their reporting. You don’t have to thank me for keeping you current and up to date on political REALITY and poll numbers.

          I was WRONG. If Obama achieved in eight years 1 % of what President Trump achieved in less than two years he would be heralded as the greatest president in modern history.

          What’s next, USER. Are you going to follow CNN’s lead yesterday and BLAME the president for the wave of mailed suspicious yellow packages?…

          1. Based on your past verbal attacks, most people would agree that you are partisan and hateful enough to be a suspect Goeb. Funny how your loony end of the spectrum elevates every issue into a war and proposes violent measures to resolve them.

          2. Breaking news, neither Hilary nor Obama are president.

            That title goes to your super sexy Benedict Donald Trumplethinskin.

            Keep dragging up previous administrations all you want, your “whataboutism” his hilarious and you may actually be as childish as the president. Congrats.

      2. Trump has one accomplishment. The corporate tax cut. Unfortunately, the corporate tax cut was not as good as the one that Obama tried to pass but republicans refused to support. They did support Trump’s cut because it also included huge cuts for the rich and only puny temporary cuts for the middle class. Republicans have no problem running the biggest deficits in history if it’s because they’re not paying taxes. They can always raid social security and healthcare later.


        Well that explains a lot, Goeb. You never told us that you read braille.

        Some of us get our news from apolitical sources that aren’t bought an paid for by unelected self-serving partisan & corporate powers.

        You want facts? Here you go:

        Following last year’s corporate handouts, the economy is now cooling. We don’t want this to happen, but that is the reality and it’s all because the Trump administration has fouled up international trade badly. The markets will continue the volatility, mirroring the volatility of the idiot in the White House.

        Capital goods orders are softening. The US trade deficit INCREASED 0.8% to the largest level in history. US Food exports have been hit badly by the trade fiascos.

        Unemployment claims, which were falling the prior quarter, have bumped back up from historic lows and there is no federal plan to address the shortage of skilled workers.

        As economists have been saying for over a year, Trump’s policies do not make America stronger or safer in the long run. He juiced corporate coffers to keep Wall Street on his side, and the sugar high was bound to fizzle out. Now that is happening and Goeb is too blind to see it.

      4. “If Obama achieved in eight years 10%” – GoeB

        Yes, he did. Despite the Republicans fighting everything he did, Obama took an economy that was the worst since the Great Depression and made great again, just like he did for the country. Now the Baby-In-Chief (you know, the head of the Nationalist Party) is trying to sell out his country for his own personal profit.

    3. Why don’t we let the “true change agent” speak for himself…

      Jina has total respect… for Donald Trump and for Donald Trump’s very, very large…. a brain.

      Women… You have to treat them like shit.

      I sorta get away with things like that. (About bursting into Miss Universe pageant dressing rooms.)

      I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things.

      I’m very highly educated. I know words, I know the best words.

      Let me tell you, I’m a really smart guy.

      Sorry losers and haters, but my IQ is one of the highest—and you all know it! Please don’t feel so stupid or insecure, it’s not your fault.

      My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well been documented, are various other parts of my body.

      I am self funding and will hire the best people… (Checked out the list recently of those who are criminals or have been fired for incompetence? Pretty much everybody.)

      I am the least racist person there is. And I think most people that know me would tell you that. I am the least racist.

      Laziness is a trait in blacks.

      I will build a great wall — and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me —and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.

      I’ll tell you, it’s Big Business. If there is one word to describe Atlantic City, it’s Big Business. Or two words—Big Business.

      In life you have to rely on the past, and that’s called history.

    4. “replace Trump with Obama and you’ll see how one-sided it is”

      It’s not NYT’s fault that Trump needs a private phone (and private meetings with Putin) to to pass national security secrets too and Obama knows how to keep secrets.

      1. If you replace “Trump” with “Obama” the righteous right would complain about this for months. I mean, they got so pissed about Obama’s uppity tan suit, his Starbucks salute, and his Dijon mustard.

    5. Yeah, he’s so smart. He’s playing them.
      DT : The New York Times has a new Fake Story that now the Russians and Chinese (glad they finally added China) are listening to all of my calls on cellphones. Except that I rarely use a cellphone, & when I do it’s government authorized. I like Hard Lines. Just more made up Fake News!

      Appleinsider : Update: President Trump has refuted the claims made by the The New York Times in a Tweet. However, the Tweet was made from Twitter for iPhone, which is specifically prohibited on all devices issued to federal employees up to and including the president.

    6. “If Trump is so “stupid,” what does that make the so-called “smartest women in America” who he vanquished despite having the entire establishment, including many in his own party against him?”

      In a nutshell, that’s all that needs to said about the presidents brainpower. Dumb as a fox…

      1. Nuff said goeb. That is your attempt at a closing argument. So now that you did your party duty to insist repeatedly without examples or facts that Trump is somehow the smartest guy in the room, please go away. Go join botty making maga hats or pipe bombs or whatever it is that gets your rocks off , but please do it offline.

  3. Well, if Hillary used a private server for classified government e-mails and violated all laws, President Trump using one private iPhone is a drop in the bucket. Hope he is careful and will shall see…

        1. Jeezus, would you look in the mirror, you f’n trumpanzee? Everyone hates you. This is not a trump worship site. Get a clue and go away already!!!!!!!!!

          1. GoeB does not need me to stick up for him. But it’s unfair to say that everyone hates him. To say that I have nothing but vitriol for Trump is true, yet GoeB and I manage to keep it respectful.

  4. And yet..none of the articles pushing this say how..or if even…he is being monitored. Huff post said he is using a hacked iPhone that is being monitored and listened to by the Chinese and Russia…but provide no evidence that is true. It’s unbelievable, really, than any of you get so passionate about these things.

    I work with someone who won’t get a flu shot because they don’t trust Trump. You are all idiots. Seriously.

    1. You believe that there is an insecure phone Trump is using and the Chinese and Russians (and a hand full of other countries) are not monitoring? I have a bridge to the moon I’d like to sell you.

      In the end it doesn’t mater as they (the Russians) are probably the ones he is calling anyway.

      1. Trump is playing on a whole different level. You don’t get to where he is by being an idiot or ignorant. As revealed by his soon-to-retire ambassador to the UN, Trump uses what people think about him against them which is how he got Rocket Man to come to the table.

        If he were really as you claim him to be, then the NATO nations wouldn’t be stepping up their commitments. We would have been in two nuclear wars already. There would be no new North American Trade Agreement, the economy wouldn’t be booming, and his favorability rating would not be higher than Barack Obama at this time.

          1. So when Trump
            Says Melania “really wanted to be with us”, when she’s standing three feet to his left,
            Gets up from the signing desk without signing the executive order and wanders out of the room,
            Comes down the steps from Air Force 1, veers away from the huge limo in front of him and starts aimlessly wandering across the tarmac,
            that’s because he is operating at a “higher level”?

            Wow! I hadn’t realized before what a great comedian you are!

            Some recommended viewing:

   (Melania remark 13sec in.)

   (Wanders across the tarmac at 1:20.)

          2. Trump is operating at mudpuddle level, Goeb.

            When Trump incorrectly claimed Obama was born in Kenya, you believed him even after Obama showed his birth certificate.
            When Clinton routed her Blackberry email through a Mac server, you chanted lock her up while remaining silent about Powell and dozens of other US officials who did the same thing.
            When Trump used a Samsung S3 and blabbed openly about governmental matters at Mar a Lago loud enough for anyone to overhear, you remained silent.
            When the Trump campaign used unsecured Windows servers, you remained silent.
            When Trump uses a ghostwriter tweeter to push out propaganda from an unknown iPhone using his twitter account and from insecure cell networks, often inside Trump buildings, you remain silent.
            When Trump lies about what he does, and is caught on camera doing it, you remain silent.
            When Trump directly incites violence and xenophobia, again with video proof, you remain silent.
            When Trump blames “the media” for directly reporting what he does, you pile on, usually repeating the Faux News attack on CNN.
            When corrupt organizations like Cambridge Analytica are found guilty of abusing data on behalf of Trump, you remain silent.

            You operate with your head fully up Trumps ass and attack anyone who questions the incessant lies coming from the White House (or local golf course, usually). You post no references to facts, and then accuse others of making shit up.

            At least there remain some decent people who operate with clear eyes. Former CIA Chief John Brennan offered some choice words for Trump:


            Practically every former defense official who has worked at the White House has privately and not so privately identified Trump as an idiot who does nothing but find peons to stroke his ego. You ignore their insights and continue to be a pawn in pathetic partisan mudslinging.

            Meanwhile the Putin/Republican Faux News rumor mill is now pushing a bullshit conjecture propaganda piece claiming that democrats are actually sending pipe bombs in the mail to other democrats in order to frame Trump supporters. That’s how low the extreme right is crawling right now. Well this should be interesting as we are probably hours away from the Secret Service or FBI nabbing the domestic terrorist. Trump took an oath to keep Americans safe, how interesting that he is doing the exact opposite, looking to the media as a scapegoat when it is his (well, Murdoch’s) media pushing the lies. Trump and his rabid supporters including you, Goeb, have egged on disgusting political behavior and may very well be the inspiration for this latest rash of domestic terrorism. Congratulations for achieving the ultimate result of your political ground game.

            Just be ready for the pendulum to swing back. As Trump villifies entire segments of humanity, he has demonstrated complete lack of decency or inkling of ethical authority on any matters — the press didn’t create international or domestic terrorism. Partisan fact-free assholes did.

      1. On Obama’s economy.
        And on the recent stock crash that wiped out the years gains.
        It’s been hard to crash Obama’s booming economy that was handed to Trump on a silver plater. But Trump has been hard working on that putting the country’s bills on a credit card.

        1. Oh absolutely right, Obama’s economy! Yes, while in office the last two years what an absolutely marvelous job! Cutting mountains of government regulations, reducing agencies for efficiency, streamlining the construction application process, tax cuts for everyone, economy on fire, tax money overseas coming home and companies expanding, manufacturing jobs coming back, coal and steel rising again, new trade deals, tariff reforms, GDP rising over 3-4%, rages rising, record number of stock market highs, lowest unemployment in 49 years, poverty rates and food stamp numbers plummeting, record Black/Hispanic employment, enforcing the red line in Syria, shackles off military eliminating ISIS, rebuilding the military, dictators on notice not bought off with billions of our tax dollars, saving billions pulling out of the toothless feel good climate accord, NATO members paying more, North Korea and Russia on notice while negotiating deals, full support for law enforcement, addressing opioid epidemic, arresting and deporting dangerous MS13 gang members, working on immigration reform and stronger borders, strengthen immigration from terrorist nations, repealed medical coverage tax, government tax collections new record, appointed two fine Supreme Court justices, and know I’m forgetting a lot, sorry. President Obama, keep up the great work…

      2. Goeb, tell us how that sugar high tax cut is faring. Trump added $1.5 trillion onto the US debt, and corporations bought back $1 trillion in their own stock. You can point to only a handful of companies that are projecting continued strong growth (one can always find isolated examples of anything, but you can’t even bother to share your economic research with us here).

        “Overall, 179 out of the 500 stocks that make up the S&P 500 have fallen 20 percent or more from recent highs, putting them in bear territory. An additional 174 stocks have fallen between 10 percent and 20 percent.”

        If you will accept this OBJECTIVE FACTUAL NONPARTISAN reporting (not likely), you will see that even corporate leaders are no longer sucking trumps little weenie. Their tax gift was nice but the trade wars and tariffs are wreaking havoc on many economic sectors.

        The S&P500 overall is down 7.6% in October, with companies like Harley, Cat, Ford, and 3M all facing headwinds complaining bitterly about Trump’s trade policies. Small cap stocks are down nearly 14%, according to the report, which quotes Steve Chiavarone from Federated Investors.

        Meanwhile you incessantly chant Trump propaganda with no facts, no data, no references. Trump scapegoats immigrants, the media, the media, the media, Clinton, the media, and the Fed for all things that he’s screwing up with his disastrous trade policies. As predicted, the wheels are coming off because Trump doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing. You might choose to wake up and see this for yourself, but you’re too busy tearing the country in half to notice the obvious truth. Workers aren’t doing great under Trump, and the economy is highly vulnerable. The US doesn’t actually win trade wars. Nobody does.

        1. Asking you for a third time for an answer. How much did Obama increase the debt in eight years? Obviously you have no problem with it, only when it happens under President Trump.

          What really intrigues me about your posts is your lengthy partisan ramblings, mixed with mostly opinions, snide mocking insults and some facts that TOTALLY IGNORE the reality and success on the right. Fair and balanced is not in your playbook. Well, you have plenty of company here.

          Sorry Mike, the historic economic accomplishments under the president cannot be negated by a leftist partisan ignoring reality…

  5. And in other news, using a secure landline with a scrambler device is more secure than using any mobile phone which transmits over the air to the nearest cell tower. Who knew?

    But, of course, “iPhone” has to be in the article title, despite the fact that iPhones are one of the few, if only, mobile phones that are capable of, and do, offer in-device encryption before sending any data anywhere. Thanks A-series chips with secure enclaves and proper 64-bit computing!

  6. Why would Trump need a phone? Without a teleprompter, he’s an imbecile.

    A few choice quotes to illustrate the IQ of the dumbest American president of all time…

    1) “(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”

    2) “I get called by a guy that can’t buy a pair of pants, I get called names?” – Trump’s comment about paralyzed commentator Charles Krauthammer

    3) “How stupid are the people of Iowa?” after talking about a poll showing Ben Carson was beating him in Iowa

    4) “I’m not sure I have ever asked God’s forgiveness. I don’t bring God into that picture….When I go to church and when I drink my little wine and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of forgiveness. I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed.”

    5) “I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.” – Trump overestimates the number of people cheering after 911 by thousands and stuck with it even though he knew what he said wasn’t true

    6) “(Obama) doesn’t have a birth certificate. He may have one, but there’s something on that, maybe religion, maybe it says he is a Muslim. I don’t know. Maybe he doesn’t want that.”

    7) “An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that @BarackObama’s birth certificate is a fraud.”

    8) “I am embracing the issue, and I’m proud of the issue. I think somebody has to embrace it because, frankly, the people that are – and I don’t like the name ‘birther,’ because I think it’s very unfair and I think it’s very derogatory to a lot of very good people that happen to think that there’s a possibility that this man was not born in this country, and by the way, if that were true, you know it’s very interesting, if that were true, it’d be the greatest scam in the history of this country.”

    9)) “You know, when (Ben Carson) says he went after his mother and wanted to hit her in the head with a hammer. That bothers me. I mean, that’s pretty bad. I’m not saying anything other than pathological is a very serious disease. And he said he’s pathological, somebody said he has pathological disease. It’s in the book that he’s got a pathological temper. That’s a big problem because you don’t cure that. You don’t cure these people. You don’t cure a child molester. There’s no cure for it. Pathological, there’s no cure for that.”

    10) “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?! I mean, (Carly Fiorina’s) a woman, and I’m not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?”

    11) “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”

    12) “You could see there was blood coming out of (Megyn Kelly’s) eyes, blood coming out of her whatever.”

    13) “Beautiful, famous, successful, married – I’ve had them all, secretly, the world’s biggest names, but unlike Geraldo I don’t talk about it.” – From Trump’s “Think Big and Kick Ass”

    14) “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

    15) “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families.”

    16) “We’re losing a lot of people because of the Internet. We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people who really understand what’s happening and maybe, in some ways, closing that Internet up in some ways.”

    17) “The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than America. … We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing.” (2000)

    18) “There’s many different ways (to fix health care), by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, ‘No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private.’ But…I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now….the government’s gonna pay for it.” – Trump still supporting single payer, government-run healthcare in 2015

    19) “I identify more as a Democrat.” – (2004)

    20) “I think Bush is probably the worst President in the history of the United States.” (2007)

    21) “Bush was a disaster for the country as well as for the Republican Party. Then he asked me about Barack Obama. I told him that Barack will need to be a great president because we’re in serious trouble as a country. It hasn’t been this way since 1929. So he doesn’t have much choice—he will simply have to be great, which he has a very good chance of being. What he has done is amazing. The fact that he accomplished what he has—in one year and against great odds—is truly phenomenal.” (2009)

    22) “(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He’s been an excellent mayor of New York City. He’s a great guy and he means very well.” (2013)

    23) “I think pretty strongly that (Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayor and I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. …I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013)

    24) “(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart. She’s a friend of mine, so I’m a little prejudiced.” (2007)

    25) “I know Hillary and I think she’d make a great president or vice-president.” – 2008

    1. Whoever you are Mr. instant screen name (most likely a regular poster like TxUser, Mike or Melvin), I give you credit for doing your homework and appreciate the effort.

      The quotes run the gamut from untruthful, exaggerations, insensitive to truthful. But what I love about the maverick spirit it drives the politically correct, Democrats/Media absolutely batsh*t. More importantly, a president like no other that has turned America around in a remarkable short period of time.

      Yeah, keep saying he is the dumbest president ever. I guess anyone on planet Earth that never held political office can wake up one day and decide to run and win. Winning in dramatic fashion by beating a RECORD 16 professional Republicans in the primary and the SMARTEST woman in the world endorsed by 90%+ newspaper editorials and the same amount of television networks. Yeah, he is really dumb. 😆

      Judge the man not by his words you are obviously OBSESSED with, but by his actions and results. You will feel better…

      1. In other words, GoeB is not going to address as single issue brought up by “just for you Goeb”. Nope. He’s going to pivot and attack. Despite his pseudo politeness, he is not being intellectually honest and just deflecting. IF GoeB had any integrity he would post 25 replies. What does it say about your side when your only defense is to shoot off on tangents and attack? It means you are knowing lying and I bet you’re damn proud of yourself for doing so, GoeB.

        1. “In other words, GoeB is not going to address as single issue brought up by “just for you Goeb”

          Like I said, appreciate the post and all the hard work by a newly minted screen name and that is not pseudo, it is genuine. To those that do not believe it, I could not care less.

          Do not deny one quote is false. But rather than take them on one at a time (25 quotes) I summed it up and repeat: The quotes run the gamut from untruthful, exaggerations, insensitive to truthful. Does it really matter which ones? So, will pass this time although I am mighty tempted.

          You wrote:

          “He’s going to pivot and attack.”

          “he is not being intellectually honest and just deflecting.”

          “IF GoeB had any integrity”

          “our only defense is to shoot off on tangents and attack? It means you are knowing lying”

          Tell me again who is attacking?!? ROTFL! You will NOT FIND one sentence in my post where I attacked anyone, just offered my opinion. Lied about what? Dishonest about what? Sheesh!

          The typical desperation on the left, throw false unsubstantiated claims out there and see what sticks on the wall, puhleeze.

          “I bet you’re damn proud of yourself”

          No, pride is not reflective of my deplorable DNA growing up in rural flyover country. That said, the overreaction from the far left is most interesting…

          1. Clearly, you believe anyone doing an analysis of your statements is attacking you, which IMHO is yet another vector of your dishonesty. And in case you didn’t know, the answer to any criticism of 45 does not begin with “But Hillary…”

      2. Why don’t you try a taste of your own medicine, Goeb? You attribute all success to your team and all failures to the other. Donny’s actions as a president have so far been approximately broken down equally into 5 things in this order of priority:

        Tweeting attacks and vitriol
        Holding campaign rallies to whip up the xenophobe base
        Watching Fox
        Strumbling into and out of awkward government functions, always unprepared and uninformed, usually directly conflicting decades of US policy and his cabinet.

        Mexico didn’t build you a wall.
        Corporate tax breaks didn’t result in lasting economic growth, and the debt isn’t even coming due yet
        North Korea still has nukes
        Saudi Arabia still dictates US middle east policy
        Guantanamo remains a 99% empty taxpayer waste and embarrassment against any justice system
        Immigration reform hasn’t been attempted to make legal immigration wirk for the USA
        Healthcare costs keep spiraling out of control, but now nothing prevents the insurance companies from raping patients with shoddy overpriced coverage
        Opioid epidemic rolls on
        Weather disasters keep repeating, without a national plan to mitigate them
        Environmental issues are getting acute, Toxic superfund sites are on cleanup hold because of lack of funds
        Education accomplishment lags the rest of the civil world
        Deficit and trade balance growing worse
        Infrastructure is crumbling badly
        Obesity epidemic from wayward food and infotainment & gaming industries turns kids into porkers

        But Trump has plans to fix national issues right? All he needs to do is chant tough slogans and the USA will magically become fiscally solvent, healthy, and well educated? Suuuuuuuuure.

  7. “You attribute all success to your team and all failures to the other.”

    Two absolute statements in one sentence, congrats. Never said that, but certainly over 50%.

    Your top five priorities is ridiculous. For example: Sleeping. Seriously?

    The guy never sleeps and is the most energetic and hard working president in my lifetime.

    The rest of your post contains some facts, falsehoods and wrongly blames some problems like bad education. That has been going on for decades under both parties and many others you laundry list.

    “But Trump has plans to fix national issues right?”

    Yes, he probably does and obviously he is working on many in your list. We shall see after eight years…

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