Tim Cook: Apple ‘deeply disappointed’ with Indiana’s new religious-objections law

“Indiana Gov. Mike Pence vigorously defended the state religious objections bill that he signed into law Thursday as businesses and organizations including the NCAA pressed concerns that it could open the door to legalizing discrimination against gay people,” Tom Davies reports for The Associated Press. “The state became the first to enact such a change this year among about a dozen where such proposals have been introduced. Arkansas’ governor said Thursday he supported a similar bill that’s advancing in that state’s Legislature.”

“Pence, a Republican mulling a possible 2016 presidential campaign, signed the bill privately in his office with at least a couple dozen supporters on hand. He later met with reporters and refuted arguments from opponents that law would threaten civil rights laws by saying that hasn’t happened under the federal religious freedom law Congress passed in 1993 and similar laws in 19 other states,” Davies reports. “‘There has been a lot of misunderstanding about this bill,’ Pence said. ‘This bill is not about discrimination, and if I thought it legalized discrimination in any way I would’ve vetoed it.'”

“Soon after Pence signed the bill, Salesforce.com founder and CEO Marc Benioff announced on Twitter that he was canceling all programs that require its customers or employees ‘to travel to Indiana to face discrimination,'” Davies reports. “Conservative groups backing the bill have said it merely seeks to prevent the government from compelling people to provide such things as catering or photography for same-sex weddings or other activities they find objectionable on religious grounds.”

“Indiana Right to Life President and CEO Mike Fichter praised the new law, saying it would give abortion opponents legal recourse if they are pressured to support the procedure. The organization circulated an online petition to thank Pence for signing the bill,” Davies reports. “Pence pointed out that President Barack Obama voted in favor of a similar state law while he was an Illinois legislator.”

Apple CEO Tim Cook, who identified himself as a homosexual in an October 2014 Businessweek op-ed, tweeted today:

Indiana Governor Mike Pence tweeted:

Micah Clark of the American Family Association of Indiana tweeted:

Read more in the full article here.

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96 Comments

  1. Why is the Angry Left so angry?

    “Progressives” convince themselves that everything they’re doing is for the greater good, which supersedes the rights of any individual. It’s a case of “the humanitarian with the guillotine“: we’re doing this for the overall good of humanity, so it’s OK to start killing people. Or to be really, really mean to them in the comments field.

    There’s the fact that advocacy of big government is by its very nature a quest for power and control, for the ability to use force against others—a cause that naturally attracts the bitter and intolerant.

    There’s the fact that those of us on the right are accustomed to encountering a lot of ideological opposition. For most of our lives, the left has controlled the high ground of the culture, such as it is: the mainstream media, Hollywood, the universities, the arts. So we’re not used to crawling into a “safe space” and hiding from ideas we disagree with, which makes it easier for us to regard ideological opposition with a degree of equanimity.

    But beneath all of these factors, there is something deeper, something more elemental. Something metaphysical… It’s all about immanentizing the eschaton.

    For the secular leftist, the end state is social and necessarily political. It is all about getting everybody else on board and herding them into his imagined utopia. There are so many “problematic” aspects of life that need to be reengineered, so many vast social systems that need to be overthrown and replaced. But the rest of us are all screwing it up, all the time, through our greed, our denial, our apathy, our refusal to listen to him banging on about his tired socialist ideology.

    For the Christian, the ideal end state is safely in the next world and therefore is never in doubt. For the individualist, it’s in his own life, and it’s mostly under his direct control. For the leftist, however, it is all outside his control. It requires other people, a lot of other people, and those SOBs usually refuse to cooperate. Talk about rage-inducing.

    If the whole focus of your life is on getting everybody else to agree with you on every detail of your politics and adopt your plans for a perfect society, then you’re setting yourself up to be at war with most of the human race most of the time.

    Which means an awful lot for the Angry Left to get angry about. — Robert Tracinski

    Read more: Why is the Angry Left so angry?

    Off to the beach house! Have a nice weekend everybody! And try not to be so angry, Dem/Lib/Progs! 🙂

    1. OMG, you’re going to get downvoted to death by the Angry Left, that’s for sure. I’d love to see their red faces as they read what you posted. So true, so true, and they’ll be so unaccustomed to being confronted. They don’t get this on NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, or from their “news” program hosted by Jon Stewart.

        1. If the whole focus of your life is on getting everybody else to agree with you on every detail of your politics and adopt your plans for a perfect society, then you’re setting yourself up to be at war with most of the human race most of the time. Which means an awful lot for the Angry Left to get angry about.Robert Tracinski

          1. The only reason for the hyperbolic outrage coming from the business, entertainment and sports industries over this law is willful ignorance – and, yes, that includes Tim Cook.

        2. For folks who take such pride in their professed love of diversity, Dem/Lib/Progs certainly do not seem to tolerate even the least bit of diversity that falls outside their own little pool of groupthink.

        3. This “Two bigoted morons. You deserve each other.” is a typical response I see more and more from the far left. Rather than write an eloquent response, or a logical, thoughtful argument against First’s post, it is just name calling and emoting. And again, emoting and not thinking through the logical argument of individual freedom is coming forth in this decently long thread.

          By and large, the left is open to any idea, so long as it aligns with their own. If not, opposing ideals and ideas be damned. It’s amazingly hypocritical, and isn’t an open thought process whatsoever.

          If Auramac came back and gave a thoughtful argument on why religious beliefs should be eliminated, and should not be acted on or shared, and what would take their place and why, then great. Start that argument, I’d love to see it. Because what history shows us is it leads to Communism, Dictatorships, and mass killings, and of course, an elimination of liberty.

    2. Why does the Angry Right (should that be the Angry Wrong?) believe that it is a persecuted minority?

      Why does the Angry Right appear to believe that the world population is divided into two sections, with the other section consisting of everyone else?

      Why is the Angry Right so certain about its understanding of the viewpoints and beliefs of billions of other human beings that it can categorize, label, and dismiss their importance so easily?

      Why is the same group that professes to be supporters of a merciful and forgiving Lord also a vociferous supporter of gun ownership without limits and a massive military?

      It just does not add up. People are too complex to group into a couple of political parties. George Washington warned of the result of political parties, and he was absolutely correct.

      1. Let’s be fair: there is an Angry Left (or Angry Liberal) group which does basically the same thing as the Angry Right, only reversed. You have near militant LGBT groups who scream down anyone who dares disagree with their entire agenda, atheists filing lawsuits over Christmas trees in state buildings, etc.

        People of all persuasions take can take their politics or their particular pet projects to the extreme. This law in Indiana appears to be along the same lines. What’s truly sad is that this law is far, far more likely to be used to discriminate against people (whether religion, sexuality, race, whatever) than it is to be used to “protect” businesses from having the right to refuse service to someone they simply don’t like.

        1. “Let’s be fair: there is an Angry Left (or Angry Liberal) group which does basically the same thing as the Angry Right, only reversed.”

          I’d suggest that is not even close to true. E.g. Oregon is bringing in a law that will make everyone with a driving license automatically registered to vote… without further paper work and proof of identity. Meantime, Republicans enact laws that have removed large numbers of people from the voter rolls, on being a serving member of her state’s legislature!

          Another example is the hateful spite that sometimes gets spewed here. This is not anywhere close to 50/50. Almost always right-wingers.

          1. Motor Voter laws = Illegal immigrant voters. Terrible idea.

            Republicans have removed felons from voter rolls, which is a large number of people, and maybe there shouldn’t be felonies for non-violent drug use, but I don’t see the Democrat party ending that injustice.

            That’s the only large minority of people that the Republicans have removed from voting.

            1. When the stupid Supreme Court declared previous voter protection laws were no longer needed, many Republican states immediately rushed in laws that have impacted huge numbers of people, making it way more difficult to register, and way more difficult to get to the polls to vote.

              Surprise – this has impacted poor people and minorities much more than others. Further surprise – the supposed justification of voter fraud and “bad people” has been shown over and over to be invalid… that voter fraud is a tiny phenomenon.

              Even Republican voting administrators have been trying to tell the legislators these laws are not needed and that they have far more negative impact than positive.

    3. “Off to the beach house! Have a nice weekend everybody! And try not to be so angry”
      So you post your garbage 5 minutes after MDN puts this post up? We’re supposed to believe you’re a wealthy individual that sits on MDN and refreshes every minute until there’s a political posting worthy of your time? You sir are a phoney, and quite possibly a ghost writer for Steve Jack. Sole proprietor of MDN

    4. Nice to see the riechwing support christian charria laws. You all are NO better then ISSIS they use beheading swords you use your beloved guns and military complex. Burn babies burn…..in your hell.

      1. Hardly “Christian charria laws”. It is really merely a question of freedom. As a maker of wedding cakes, can I be FORCED into making cakes for gay weddings? How many times have I seen signs stating that a business reserved the right to choose the customers they wished to service? If a person can be barred from a store because they are barefoot, they they can be barred for other reasons. If I have the right to quit my job, why doesn’t a business man have the right to NOT do business? Slavery was outlawed long ago, but those who appose the right of businesses to not engage in participation in gay weddings, are really advocating for slavery, forced labor for a cause they object too. Let freedom ring.

    5. “For the Christian, the ideal end state is safely in the next world and therefore is never in doubt.”

      You realise that makes you fucking insane and neatly explains what is wrong with you and “religious freedom” laws?

  2. No computers for you.

    In unrelated news today, a new religion was formed which finds fat ugly people are evil. They insist that they should not be compelled to offer services to such people. Forcing them to comply is neither fair and moral.

      1. Tell you what, I haven’t signed up myself, but give me your email and I will reach out to them and they will send you a form. A donation of 10% of your monthly income is required, but tax deductible.

  3. “In a history-making decision, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana has signed into law a bill that officially recognizes stupidity as a religion.

    Pence said that he hoped the law would protect millions of state residents ‘who, like me, have been practicing this religion passionately for years.'”

    1. Why so angry, honey?

      Why are the rights of homosexuals and mentally ill “transgenders” more important than the rights of law-abiding religious folks?

      The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.

      Have fun trying to immanentize the eschaton, Angry Left.

      1. You sir are providing facts on record. How dare you! The angry left ignore these truths. I’m an independent conservative…. & ! ..guess what??? I smoke pot. Take responsibility for YOUR OWN ACTIONS PEOPLE.. Good Lord! Or should that be Good Alah!? Jesus is my Home Boy JACK!! In general… People Suck. Have a Grateful Day. 😝🌹

    2. I would believe it was about choice if the discriminating business was obliged to post in a large sign and in all advertising that they discriminate, and against whom. Make it a HUGE fine to discriminate without having the signs in place. The bigots would be out of business quickly.

  4. Why are those on the right so afraid of gays, science and education? LOL

    Don’t be afraid little boys. That gay person isn’t going to hurt you and science isn’t the work of the devil. You’ll be safe if you read books and think beyond what the bible tells you. It’s a big wonderful world out there. Don’t be scared.

      1. This is not a religious freedom bill, it’s a license to discriminate in public accommodations law. I don’t see how religion is in any way safeguarded by this, just because you interact with someone you disagree with doesn’t mean you are agreeing with them. You religious people are so terrified of everything, maybe you should ask yourselves why.

      2. I’m not angry, junior. I’m just laughing at you and your right wing buddies who are so afraid of science.

        RUN, JUNIOR, RUN! Here come the scientists! LOL

    1. The far right and their fundamentalist stance on religion has always been fear-based, and manifests as anger, which makes the trolls on here especially laughable.

      Like radical Islamists, fundamentalist Christians justify their hate and fear by hiding behind very select passages in their religion’s texts, and ignoring the inconvenient bits. Hell, fundamentalist Christianity and radical Islam are so close in spirit they’re sharing the same bed, though they’ll try shooting you for suggesting such a thing.

      As for why they’re terrified of gays, someone said it brilliantly: They’re afraid a gay man will do to them what they themselves actually do to women.

      Even if that’s as simple as looking them over and making unsolicited comments and advances.

      Neatly sums up their twin hatreds of gays and women… heck, make it a holy trinity of fear and hate by saying they’re afraid a gay *black* man will do to them… etc.

  5. What about amputees, people in wheel chairs? What about people with tattoos? Better not serve them. How about children of Nazi heritage? How about lawyers and illegal immigrants? Where does it begin, and where does it stop? Oh, I see, it’s just the gays. Just them, because they made a lousy decision. Tomorrow they can decide to not be gay and all will be well. They can get married to the opposite sex, have children, be happy. Just like you and me, because they are broken and morally corrupt. Wake up, stop the gays!!!! We’ll all go to Hell.

    (This was purely sarcasm)

    Love thy neighbor.

    1. Gollum, I was agreeing with you until you used the word “lawyers.” Personally, I think discriminating against lawyers should be allowed and even encouraged.

      With fewer lawyers the US would be a better place.

    2. “Love thy neighbor.”

      When he shits all over my human dignity and violates my civil rights? No, I don’t think so. To do that I’d have to be a practicing Christian rather than the professional “Christians” who have been posting to this site.

      And since I do not believe for one millisecond in the superstitious claptrap called the eschaton my actions will have no immanent effect. Immanentizing, by the way is not a word, as immanent is an adjective. In fact, there is no verb form for the word.

  6. It’s amazing that liberals don’t see their own hubris in the mirror. What if the gov’t deems pork to an essential part of our diet and then forces a Jewish sandwich shop or Muslim restaurant to serve pork as part of a balanced diet?

    What made this country great is that people of faith respected other people of faith, or of no faith. And those with faith in nothing also respected those with a faith in God.

    For those of you who denigrate faith, just remember that the Judeo/Christian values of private property, free enterprise, freedom of religion, the ability to enjoy one’s own profit, and the building of a strong nation by strong family values are what built this country.

    When you abandon them, as many European countries already have, you get a stagnant labor pool, high taxes, loss of property rights, fewer religious options, high gov’t intervention and high public debt. In effect, you become merely sheeple for the gov’t to entertain and control.

    We have the only constitution that is rooted by an IDEA – that IDEA that our rights come from God. Remove that, and you no longer have rights, only slowly declining privileges.

    1. It is amazing that conservatives so often take an opposing viewpoint to the absurd in order to attempt to discredit it. Perhaps it extends from the fact that many conservative viewpoints are founded in the absurd.

      1. What is so absurd about what I said? Liberalism and its effects on European societies are directly related to a lapse in principles that founded these ancient countries.

        Do you remember Michelle Obama’s lunch program that is forcing kids to eat completely different foods? Is forcing non-hallal or kosher food that far away?

        It’s Biblical principle that a country should not be indebted to another nor should people fall into debt.

        It’s Biblical principle that if a person is entitled to enjoy the work of his hands and the property that he owns. Witness the confiscatory tax regimes of European countries (and also our death tax).

        Working and paying for one’s own survival is an important Biblical principle. As is industriousness and being enterprising. Depending upon others when you can work for yourself, even at a menial job was considered immoral. Europe is sagging under their own welfare states (and we are too).

        What about search and seizure? In the Bible, you had to have two witnesses to establish an accusation establishing a right of privacy. in our NSA/Gestapo/KGB world, you have no right of privacy.

        The discipline of science was founded not by Muslims or polytheists who believe in the arbitrary wills of their gods. It was founded by people who believed that God created the world with physical and moral laws so that we could learn about Him and establish a relationship with Him. If His will and creation is arbitrary, you cannot have science and laws.

        And the whole point of the Constitution is that the founders saw these same abuses back in their own country and rooted the rights as from God to prevent as much as possible this from happening again.

        Not so absurd now, am I?

        1. Actually, science was founded by the ancient Greeks. Polytheists and generally all around enjoyers of the butt sex. Algebra was invented by the Arabs. Facts are better than superstition.

        2. “What is so absurd about what I said?”

          It started in your first paragraph.
          It isn’t about a Jewish/Muslim sandwich shop being forced to serve pork. That would be like forcing a sandwich shop to start selling SUVs, instead of going to a car dealership.

          This is about what circumstances a sandwich shop is allowed to not sell something, that they are selling to everyone else. “I don’t like you even though I don’t know you” is not a valid reason.

          In closing, why are you trying to use the Bible so much? Jesus said, “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s”. And he also pointed out that his kingdom was in Heaven, not Earth. Jesus would have been a supporter of the separation of Church and State.

          1. Well, by your same example they are selling pro gay cakes to others and not to the LGBT. But it’s not even the cake but the messages that they are being asked to out on the cake.

            Or in the case of a Jewish or Muslim deli shop, what if they were asked to serve their food at a pork conference? Or a Catholic catering service asked to cater a porn studio?

            What you don’t understand is that separation of church and state is not about the free practice of citizens but the prohibition of government against establishing religion. People have have always made judgement calls in the operation of their business according to their ideals even if we disagree with them.

      2. What if you found yourself on the losing side of tyranny KingMel?
        (Tyranny means cruel & oppressive) Not unlike our current greedy, corrupt government who only have their own best interests to increase THEIR OWN BANK ACCOUNTS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. (iThank the Lord iOwn AAPL) iPonder PeasantMel, as you are being repressed, you would not be in your current mindset.

        Flip the coin KingMel…. now you are on the throne, & YOU COULD GIVE RATS ASS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT BREATHS. Narcissistic behavior has corrupted this once great country absolutely. Look no further than OBlahBlah. Some people you just can’t reach. Isn’t that right Luke?

    2. I don’t know what country you are a part of, but the US constitution does not mention god. The thought that our rights come from some omnipresent being is insane. Our rights come to us because they are a part of a legally binding contract between the government and the people governed. God has nothing to do with it.

      1. I didn’t say our Constitution mentioned the word “god”. I said that our constitution is rooted in the idea that our rights come from God. This is evidenced by the large body of writings by the framers in regards to the Constitution.

        The Constitution does not grant rights – it only elaborates them for the purposes of limiting the gov’t, not empowering people.

        1. No. Rights do not come from god. If so; whose god? and what are these rights? The rights that we enjoy as US citizens are certainly different than any rights enjoyed by other countries throughout history. If they were provided by “god” than shouldn’t all people have had the same rights throughout time? Why are certain “christian” communities forbidden to do things that are perfectly legal in the US; such as dancing. Your ‘god’ sounds pretty psychotic in regards to what she grants as rights. I don’t think I like her.

      2. “Our rights come to us because they are a part of a legally binding contract between the government and the people governed.”???????

        ABSOLUTELY DELUSIONAL

        Where were Pete Seeger’s rights?
        RaaaaaaNDY?

        Pete Seeger’s legacy is the answer RANDY…. YOU are THE PROBLEM of this country.

    1. There are few things in scripture more clear than that homosexuality is sin just like adultery and sex outside of marriage. The difference is the homosexuals insist, no demand, that everyone deny what they know and join them in proclaiming that homosexuality is not sin. So as I understand this “law” in indiana, it says you can be faithful to the truth of scripture without fear that the state will empower sin to persecute truth using the power of the state.

      This battle will never end, because the truth is clearly stated. It doesnt matter how many hollywood personalities or politicians or godless judges say otherwise. There is forgiveness for every sin except the one that is not acknowledged. The voices on the other side are the same historical voices of force and compulsion that imagine that they can compel conformity in thought. It will never happen. The more force that is applied the more Christians are forced to confront the reality of their faith and acknowledge the truth of God.

      The church is growing around the world. If it is under attack here, then what a privilege it is for us. Homosexuality is sin. A sin that is forgiven by the work of Jesus the Christ. He said, take up your cross and follow me. That cross is your sin. Put your sin on the cross and follow.

      What is really sought by evil is to force the faithful to deny the truth of scripture and go beyond tolerance and mercy and say: “homosexuality is not sin. Scripture is simply wrong”. What a pathetic comment it is about our society that we are forced to spend our attention on this.

      1. Do you also follow the directions in that stone-age book of yours on:
        – Stoning your children to death if they talk back to you.
        – How to treat your slaves.
        – Genocide.
        – Given your daughters to be gang-raped because the crowd wants to “know” the men (angels) who are visiting you.
        ?

        Sorry matey, you don’t get to cherry pick the wise bits from the vicious psychopathic gibberish. That book is not “The Truth” of anything. Such beliefs belong to the childhood of our species – of fear of lighting, noises in the night, storms and meteors. It’s time to grow up.

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