Apple can’t innovate anymore, my a$$

“I am sick to death of pundits proclaiming that Apple can no longer innovate,” John Kirk writes for TechPinions. “Apparently, the less one knows about a subject, the more strident one’s opinion on that subject becomes. Nevertheless, this nonsensical posturing has simply got to stop, for it is easier to believe a lie that you have heard a thousand times, than the truth that you have heard only once.”

Can’t innovate anymore, my ass. ~ Phil Schiller

Kirk writes, “The critic’s arguments seem to break into two categories, which are really two sides of the same coin: Apple desperately needs to enter a new product category; (But it’s already too late because) Apple can’t innovate anymore.”

“I mean, honestly, could Apple’s critics be any more wrong? Could they have it any more backwards? Do they know nothing at all about Apple or the Tech industry?’ Kirk writes. “The very people who seem most certain of Apple’s future (or lack thereof) are also the very people who seem most ignorant of Apple’s past.”

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  1. iMac 1998
    iPod 2001
    iTunes Music Store 2003
    iPhone 2007
    iPad 2010

    What’s the problem? Since when does Apple churn out “game changers” on an annual schedule? Let the idiots whine…

    1. Because those idiots are turning the sheep against Apple’s current lineup of products, which hurts them in the marketplace AND has led to the massacre AAPL has endured in the stock market since September.

      1. I don’t think so. There are millions of people who buy Apple products, Most of them have never heard of any of Apple’s critics and don’t read a thing they say.

      2. Seems to me the “sheep” have spoken and continue to buy Apple products.

        And some more history for the history-challenged. Apple is a great company, regardless of stock price. Apple was a great company, when AAPL first topped $100 and then $200, and it was still a great company when AAPL later dipped below $80. That was a much greater “massacre” than the current drop, as a percentage. Did Apple, the company, suddenly change because of the price for a share of AAPL?

        1. I never said the price of AAPL had anything to do with Apple’s performance as a company. What I did say, though, is that negative perceptions have hurt Apple’s business because perceptions are that Apple is doing something wrong.

          I guess I didn’t make this clear enough: Apple is doing NOTHING wrong, it has not changed for the worse in any significant way. The only thing wrong is public perception, which has directly caused its ridiculously underpriced stock and most likely has had an impact on sales, even if Apple remains incredible profitable.

          1. docwallaby…
            “What I did say, though, is that negative perceptions have hurt Apple’s business… ”

            Measured how, exactly?
            – More profits from the iPhone that ALL OTHER PHONE COMPANIES put together.
            – Huge share of PC profits, running counter to the downslide of all other PC companies.
            – the iPhone ALONE makes more money than all of Microsloth’s products combined.
            – Second most valuable on the planet.

            1. Yes, when eight months ago it was the most valuable company in the world.

              I don’t see how anyone can look at what’s happened since September and NOT see that outside perception turning on Apple has bruised it. Apple is not doomed, Apple is doing everything it should be doing. But it’s not exactly crazy to suggest that Apple would be in a better position if not for the constant attacks it has endured from ignorant commentators, pundits, and politicians.

              Public perception affects what people buy. And that public perception, that horribly misinformed public perception, is negative.

            2. The perception problem started some time ago with the low rumblings of tech enthusiasts and bloggers, many of whom resented Apple. Some of them were hired as experts by mainstream media who had belatedly “discovered” that technology was relevant. This explains both the ideology and the lack of journalistic standards. As time went on, Apple became a headline magnet. These writers were forced to scrape the bottom of the barrel for Internet fodder, because of Apple’s secrecy and because of industry pressure to produce slanted stories. Wall Street analysts increasingly used these writers and their industry “sources” to construct a narrative of their own that soon degenerated into a mechanistic milking of profits from a collective anxiety complex.

              The Lion and the Jackals. Who will win? Stay tuned. Meanwhile, here’s a tip from our friends at Imodium…

            3. And don’t forget, there’s irrational exuberance. Some, certainly not all, journalists and analysts were responsible for running AAPL up so high so fast last summer. There were levelheaded sober journalists and analysts who did not get caught up in the feeding frenzy. But people investing in AAPL paid no attention to them. Those analysts were quite often beaten up here. They are the same journalists and analysts who have said all along that AAPL should not be thrown under the bus. But the journalists and amalysts that drove AAPL up irrationally last summer have driven it back down. So one should never blame all analysts or all journalists in this situation. But let’s face it, investors only read or hear what they want to.

          2. I would say the vast majority of Apple’s customers could not care less about AAPL price. They are Apple’s customers, not shareholders or investors. And most don’t read tech news and blog web sites either.

            1. And what about potential Apple customers? Or current customers bombarded by the ridiculous ads for Samsung’s Galaxy POS phones? Or by their friends who mock them for having Apple products?

              Are you just looking for a fight, or is there something unreasonable about saying that negative press hurts public opinion, and business would be better than it currently is if public opinion were better?

              And I’m sorry, but it’s folly to think that consumers in the Internet age live in a bubble of ignorance. Apple routinely makes the news, Apple rumors are in high demand, and cell phones are a major part of our lives now. Any decent consumer at least does a little research into a phone, even if it’s walking into a store and being misled by a sales representative. To imply that people aren’t aware of or impacted by the negative press Apple receives (even if they don’t recognize it as bullshit) is ludicrous in the extreme.

            2. I’m saying that the vast majority of Apple customers DO NOT CARE (whether they know or not) if AAPL is at $700 or $400. It’s not a matter of “ignorance”…

              Negative press definitely DOES hurt AAPL (because it affects shareholders and potential investors), but it hurts Apple (the company) much less, because Apple’s CUSTOMERS care about quality products and they know Apple represents quality versus the alternatives.

              Look at the so-called “antenna gate” fiasco. You can’t get much worse on the negative press front than that… Did that affect sales? No, Apple kept selling iPhone 4 as fast as they left the factory. Did it make customers want to return their iPhone 4? No, there were probably more returns from customers who decided they wanted to wait for the white version. Apple’s customers are SMARTER than you imagine.

              You’re one of those people who thinks everyone else thinks exactly like you (someone who reads MacDailyNews and probably owns AAPL). You have a blind spot for being able to see things from another (more common) perspective.

            3. @docwallaby
              “…is there something unreasonable about saying that negative press hurts public opinion”

              Yes there is – when it’s not really, substantially true.

              There’s a real danger of thinking that a seemingly big stink created by a handful of small-minded bloggers and hypocritical so-called “journalists” has more effect than it does. We see that with some posters on here, who join in the stink-raising with EVERY one of these supposed doomsday scenarios, repeating the bull as if it were thoroughly researched fact.

              Yes, these various “tempests in a teacup” should be countered. But like ken1w points out about “antennagate” these pissy little tempests have little effect on the overall trajectory of Apple’s sales.

            4. 1) I never tried to suggest that the AAPL share price has a significant impact on purchasing habits. You are clearly hung up on AAPL. I am not. So trying to suggest that I am saying “Oh, people aren’t going to buy iPhones because Apple’s share price is down 40-some percent” is absolutely ridiculous.

              2) Negative press includes not only tech pundits, but Congressional hearings, Department of Justice witch hunts, and massive advertising campaigns that show perceived weaknesses in Apple’s offering. Now, you say Apple’s customers are smart–yet you are also suggesting they don’t pay attention to any of that stuff–which I find to be completely contradictory.

              Consumers do not live in a bubble. And yes, while LOYAL APPLE CUSTOMERS know just how high-quality Apple’s products are and how great their customer service is, you need to realize that 1) Not all Apple customers are loyal to Apple, and 2) Not all potential Apple customers are as knowledgeable regarding Apple’s advantages.

              Those two groups–Apple customers who are not particularly loyal to Apple, and potential customers who are not as aware of Apple’s advantages–are the ones I am saying Apple has probably been losing due to the constant bombardment of bad press Apple has received over the last eight months.

              That has NOTHING to do with AAPL share prices, and everything to do with people calling into question Apple’s leadership, Apple’s business strategies and practices (i.e. taxes, IP protection, etc.), Apple’s ability to innovate, and the supposed inferiority of Apple’s competitors.

              Again, I don’t see why we’re having this argument. I also don’t know where you get off saying I think “everyone thinks like me” or I am unable to see things from a “more common perspective.” A lot of this is based on conversations I’ve had with other people, and my attempts to understand THEIR opinions of Apple and its products. I am, frankly, the only one of the people I know who is an avid Apple fan and an AAPL shareholder; everyone else I know is either a more casual consumer of Apple’s products (and I assure you, this number is rapidly shrinking), cannot afford Apple’s products, or do not like Apple. The only other person I know personally who was an avid Apple fan is converting back to Windows, which baffles me.

              But, by all means, continue to misconstrue my argument as being about Apple’s loyal customers, or imaginary “uninformed yet highly intelligent” customers, or about AAPL share prices, or whatever cockamamy BS you come up with to extend this argument, instead of simply agreeing with this very simple concept: “Apple is doing great business now, but nearly a year of constant bad press has kept it from doing even better business.” A very easy concept to grasp that should be a no-brainer.

            5. “Apple is doing great business now, but nearly a year of constant bad press has kept it from doing even better business.”

              But what is your foundation for making that statement? I see no foundation at all — except the empty one of listening to the idiot-pundits and so-called journalists.

              As far as I know, Apple is selling every iPhone and iPad as fast as they can get them made. They couldn’t be selling more, because manufacturing is maxed out! They’re also selling increasing numbers of Airs, MacBooks and iMacs. Plus having a very positive sales trajectory while sales for the whole Winblows PC sector are going off a cliff.

            6. @Seamus

              … Really? Apple is selling every iPad and iPhone as soon as it comes off the assembly line? Maybe for the first month after release, but that’s far from the case at this late stage in the product cycle. Walk into an Apple Store. Go to Walmart or AT&T or Verizon. See how many iPhones and iPads are sold out here, now, in July. Apple products fly off the shelves at first, and then level off later on. Where did you hear otherwise?

              And it’s not just idiot bloggers online. It’s major news media coverage of Congressional hearings and courtroom battles. It’s talk radio shows discussing Apple. It’s misleading commercials playing 24/7. It’s EVERYTHING. If the only people who gave a crap about Apple were uninformed bloggers and pundits, then why would Apple stories be “click bait”? Why would every tech site take every opportunity to slip Apple into the headlines or tags of their publishings?

              You can’t act like Apple is just some niche company that only a few people care about. And when you’re that large, and have that many sources saying that many bad things about you for that long, there is an impact.

              And for the record, Apple LOST sales last quarter for computers from what I read. They just didn’t fall to nearly the startling degree that the rest of the PC market (minus Lenovo, which performed about the same as Apple) fell.

            7. @bottvijerk

              Let’s see — I put some thoughts about computer sales, and you reply with nothing but personal insult. Why such vitriol? I think it’s because I called you on your shit, instead of putting up with it, like many do — although there have been a few who expressed similar opinions to mine.

              If you just confine your posts to rational thought and logical points, I’ll never have another negative word for you. But as long as you want to insult people, I’ll throw your shit back at you.

            8. “And for the record, Apple LOST sales last quarter for computers from what I read.”

              Compared to a couple of peaks yes. But overall, Mac sales have been remarkably steady since Q4 2010. In that same time, Winblows PC sales have screamed downwards.

        2. For the record, the “sheep” I’m referring to are the people who don’t care just how good a product Apple puts out, and are led to slaughter by Android. Unfortunately, I have a lot of friends who fall into that category.

          1. My golfing friends read The Daily Mail in the UK, and then tell me Apple is in trouble. Perceptions indeed! But I’m not sure how this affects their buying decisions. For instance, one is Scottish and bought the cheapest Kindle and Samsung phone he could find. One is 84 and can live without high tech. gadgets. The third has Toshiba laptops, but both he and his wife have iPads and iPhones which “are just great!”.

  2. Can’t innovate anymore, my ass. ~ Phil Schiller
    Yes, Apple can iterate, but innovate? Not so much anymore.

    BTW-Schiller is an interesting name for someone involved in marketing and PR.

    A rounded Cube 2 a la Mac mini Pro Home Theater PC is NOT a Mac Pro regardless of what Apple wishes to name it. The Black Trashcan is a bug eff U to the very people who kept the lights on at Apple- the Pro creative markets.

    1. The black “Trashcan” Darwin Evolved refers to is the new Mac Pro and it is capable of performing 7 trillion floating point instruction cycles per second. By contrast, Darwin Evolved doesn’t seem to be able to understand the words “Super Computer,” and leaves the rest of us wondering if he has ever completed an instruction cycle. Even one. I wonder.

    2. Misunderstanding a form factor and disparaging it as useless are unprofessional. Insinuations about individuals’ names is juvenile. Presumptuous statements about professionals’ reactions to new products are insulting.

  3. Sure they can, but people r understandably skeptical given Tim Cook’s liberal politics. Apple does seem distracted at times, but their creative genius is still intact. Apple’s cautious, painfully thorough approach to innovation is both it’s strength and weakness. Fortunately, the weakness is only perceived. The reality is that Apple rarely disappoints, and everything, except maybe the iPhone 4S and that ugly iPod speaker system that flopped, has been worth the wait!

        1. I was given to understand that Steve was Buddhist. Even the Buddha laughed at politics, religion, and any other form of ideology masquerading as Truth. (The Buddha, and I, refer specifically to ideology, not enlightened individuals: who are many in number, though apparently underrepresented in Wall Street.)

            1. As was George Bernard Shaw, as evidenced in his comedic play ARMs and the Man. Anti war as you appear to be, I expect you are well acquainted with it.

            2. Ah, as part Irish I am partial to the great GBS, whose achievements resulted in his adjectivisation in dictionaries. Beyond that, you have opened my eyes. I did not know that Steinbeck took on the Nazis while they were still active. What do Americans say? Ballsy. And now I discover that some dictionaries admit “Steinbeckian” as well as “Shavian”. Well represented, my friend.

  4. it’s about hits. Blogs use sensationalism to make a living. Sensationalism = Trolling, and blogs have been the ultimate trolls since the beginning of the internet.

  5. The tech community’s assumption is that Apple’s innovation died with Steve Jobs. He seemed to have a knack about what consumers wanted, I’ll give him credit for that much. Innovation is a very unusual quality and you either have it or you don’t. However, it only exists when it happens and no one can tell when that time will be. For pundits to just say that Apple cannot come out with some highly successful product is just plain stupid. Maybe the odds are not in favor of that happening and that’s why Wall Street is so pessimistic when it comes to Apple. I think it will be rather hard for Apple to come out with a product that has the revenue stream of the iPhone. If that’s what Wall Street is expecting, then I’d have to agree with them.

    I do think Apple could come out with another product with the impact of the iPad but that may not be enough to boost Apple’s share price like Google’s share price. With the smartphone industry fairly saturated, I’m somewhat at a loss of how Apple can move tens of millions of new iPhones. I think it’s going to take good old-fashioned hard work instead of innovation. However, with Apple’s huge cash resources, the company just can’t be counted out as a dead company. They can practically buy a new future.

    I only wish Wall Street wasn’t so pessimistic about the company’s future. It almost doesn’t make any sense at all. Apple isn’t doing that bad as they make it out to be. Apple could easily become another Netflix without breaking a sweat, so I don’t see why Apple’s chances are seen as being so bleak. Netflix-type services on all Apple devices would be huge just by way of all those iTunes accounts. Priced correctly it would make a great moat to hold customers.

    1. That’s one of your more sincere posts, 48. Please try to remember to indicate /s if you intend sarcasm as some of us don’t otherwise comprehend you at those times.

      Wall Street can once again fall in love with APPL. This on-again, off-again romance can be excruciating. In the long run, True North is indicated by unwavering faith in the lasting virtue of pure excellence.

  6. “Apparently, the less one knows about a subject, the more strident one’s opinion on that subject becomes.”

    This describes the American journalistic culture better than anything I’ve ever read!!! L’dMAO.

  7. The way Apple integrates technology can be innovative, not always inventive, but that doesn’t always mean better or worse, it can be different than traditional product offerings. Lets take the MacPro from the past several years: it is expandable internally and externally, but expandability has its associated costs. Now, lets look at technical requirements for hard drives versus pcie cards(GPUs), thunderbolt2 will saturate a typical external hard drive. A GPU can require more bandwidth than what TB2 can provide theoretically, but it’s not clear if that bandwidth is often required or even achievable on a motherboard, so there is potential for some performance degradation. So the small subset of very high end users needing External GPUs will be potentially effected by Apples new MacPro. The people who need only a few external HDs will appreciate the dual GPU setup and fast internal component to get their work done quickly, saving and backing up their work externally at a lower cost than getting an internally expandable tower that costs more. The internal architecture is innovative, the smaller footprint takes less space and requires buyers to buy what they need only as they need it, not because a subset of users find it convenient or necessary to have internal expandibility. It’s part of a more modular approach that fits well with small workspaces and provides a lot of power for the dollar, that’s a form of innovation that many will appreciate. It can be difficult to see the possibilities when a person refuses to look away from the past.

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