RUMOR: Apple prepping major Logic Pro ‘X’ overhaul

“Apple’s Logic pro audio software could be the next application in the company’s line of professional software to undergo an overhaul, a new report claims,” Josh Lowensohn reports for CNET.

“Japanese Apple tracking site Macotakara has a new report out today claiming the next version of Apple’s professional audio suite will get a similar treatment to what the company did with Final Cut Pro X,” Lowensohn reports. “That includes integrating previously separate applications, while selling others separately.”

Lowensohn reports, “Macotakara suggests that consolidation will be the case with the previously separate Waveburner authoring software being built into the application, with virtual instrument control panel MainStage being sold separately.”

Read more in the full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: Because you loved Final Cut Pro X, oh so much.



  1. I have to believe that Steve’s stepping away has led to some serious lapses in the approach to how software is introduced and at what stage it goes to golden master. Final Cut Pro X is an unmitigated disaster…when it’s so bad it gets a parody by Conan O’Brien…that’s pretty bad. I fight with the stupidity of dropping Save As in Lion which forces a different methodology than 4 other software tools used daily. No option to make it work otherwise. That’s just poor design, not leadership. It’s same thinking that led to e-world, the GeoPort, the Hockey Puck mouse and other wrong headed moves. You can SEE the thinking behind it but it’s not “real world” smart. It’s leadership with a lower case l.
    And that is just annoying.

    1. Uh, Steve was responsible for the hockey puck mouse. So, your entire sky-is-falling “Steve has left now everything is falling apart” thesis has no basis in logic.

      Not to mention the fact that Steve was still there for the planning and release of Final Cut X. And he’s still Chairman of the Board. Pretty sure he’s going to continue giving an earful to anyone who screws up.

    2. Lion’s autosave feature is a totally f*%6ed up concept that shows Apple in very, very bad light. I don’t know how that got through the quality control people. Someone at the Mac OS X development team fell asleep at the wheel, probably that Federighi guy, now that Bertrand Serlet is gone.

      1. The autosave feature is great. What part of “you don’t need to save” don’t you understand? On top of that you have versions and save as to do anything you want. What’s the big deal? Just because you fail to understand it’s simplicity does not mean the world should stop rotating.

          1. Well clearly they exist i remember a designer some years back who didnt save for 2 days in a large PS file because ‘ it simply took too long’ (dont ask me why she didnt do so overnight) and was distraught when the machine finally crashed on the 3rd day and she lost anything. I certainly know that we all get over confident and forget to save at times especially now that we seldom have such taken for granted reliability. usually it bites us. The one aspect of Quark I always liked was its ability to autosave and it saved me more than a few times as has Indesign since. Havn’t experienced the feature on Lion but the concept is a lifesaver for professionals and amateurs alike no matter how good your ‘memory’ supposedly is.

      2. I’m baffled that anyone would find autosave, of all things, to be a “bad” feature of Lion. Anything that prevents you from losing your unsaved work is a very, very good thing.

        I think you’re objecting solely from the perspective of “this new thing is unfamiliar”. It’s true that human habit can be tough to break, when we’ve learned the bad old way so well. It’s going to take time to embrace the newer, better way.

        So, rather than take the “I want things to stay just the way they were, even if the old way was bad” approach, I’m already having no problem embracing autosave in the apps that support it.

        If you still want the “old” kind of saving approach, Windows is still there for you.

        1. Poorest response yet!

          I do a lot of “quick and dirty” lists for clients, where the entire document is common with the exception of a single word/sentence or two.

          With “Save As”, I can keep ONE document open on my screen, change a single word or two, then “Save As” the name of each individual client.


          I’ve got to keep 10 (sometimes 15!) doc’s open at the same time, all with different names, then flip back and forth between them adding or removing a single word/sentence.

          These are very simple lists, TextEdit is (was) all that’s required to handle them, and the removal of “Save As” makes it nigh upon impossible to perform a Very Basic Task.

            1. I tried using “Duplicate” as suggested, but it opened a new document on my Desktop.

              Why would I want a duplicate document on my desktop? I don’t require a Duplicate on my desktop, I used to do what I needed with one document, and now I need 15-20 (or more?) open documents where one did exactly what I needed?

              If I’m doing something wrong and a duplicate document should not appear on my desktop, please advise. Things are slow now, but I’ve got 110 clients, and I used to be able to manage all of them from one document.

              If I need to have 110 open documents on my desktop, I’ll format the drive and return to Snow Leopard.


          1. “Duplicate” and “Duplicate and Revert” have replaced “Save As” for me, and I actually prefer the new method personally. It took me a few days to wrap my head around the change, but now that I have, I wouldn’t want to go back.

            Looking forward to more apps supporting the feature.

        2. The removal of choice is inherently bad. I don’t need to be told how to save my documents. You cannot treat Mac OS X as if it were a major version of iOS and dumb features down so users are faced with a crippled interface. As I said above if you need Apple’s help to save a document, then I suggest you purchase an iSpoon to help you move food to your mouth. I for one don’t need features that get in the way with the way I work. I don’t interact well with an OS that tells me how I should work. Perhaps you should get out of your mother’s basement more since you seem to need assistance every step of the way.

          1. Why not just go back to Snow Leopard until (if?) Apple allows a way to disable it in Lion?

            I personally like it, and have gotten use to the workflow change, but I can understand it being a bit off-putting at first to many.

      3. I love a lot of things about Lion, but I totally agree the autosave is messed up.

        And that’s not the only thing. If you are running iPhoto 11 or Aperture 3, I’m betting that those programs give you the beach-ball spinner way more often now.

        And for somebody trying to integrate a new Mac mindset at an organization, the screw up with binding to an active directory is inexcusable.

        Lion was not ready. It’s been very frustrating to work with.

    3. It is hard for people to see the method in the madness sometimes. Because after all you are only normal…nothing special. Now if you were something special you’d be working for Apple.

      All those things you list as failures are there because innovation requires the ball to fail. Let me say that one more time……”Innovation requires the balls to fail”. You may not think that is leadership…..but actually it is the epitome of leadership. You still don’t get “not having to SAVE”……good grieff!! Now what would happen if they allowed you to over-ride this feature? Well, of course you would stay in your comfort zone and ignore this wonderful new way of working. Apple is not satisfied with this and will drag you kicking and screaming until you see the light.

      1. Autosave is not a wonderful new way of working. It’s a retrograde step in the evolutionary process. Now if you were a 5 year old kindergarten kid and needed your hand held every step of the way I would understand. I understand why some men can’t get enough of their mother’s nipple even after weaning and need their girlfriends to fill that role of mothering them to death. Over-assistance is just as bad as not being allowed to think for yourself.

        1. That is entirely wrong. Autosave is a major new convenience. Just like GUI was, compared to the old greenscreen (or command prompt-based computing). You don’t need to use dumbed-down mouse-and-windows environment (real men don’t do GUI; they do command prompt, after all). Much like a manual shift and automatic shift. Even though I’m a big fan of the manual, and look down on people who can’t drive it, I cannot argue that it is in any way better than today’s intelligent (computer-driven) automatic, which saves fuel and gives better performance than the most proficient automatic shifter.

          You may be the sharpest person in the world, able to split your focus between the work you’re doing and the need to regularly save your document, but if you sit in front of a computer for a living, there is no way you’ll go through career without forgetting to save your work at some point and losing some work as a consequence.

          There are dozens of tasks that need to be done in the process of using a computer to do some work, that are NOT related directly to our work. Saving our work periodically (in order not to lose it) is just one of them. And they all distract us from our primary task, which is the actual work.

          Autosave does exactly that — removes one major annoyance that we need to put up with — interrupt our creative flow in order to perform an incredibly mundane and mindless task (regardless of how little effort — Cmd+S — it takes; it still breaks our focus). And it works perfectly. Create a new document. Save it somewhere. Edit to your heart’s content, and it will always be auto-saved. If you need to make another file out of that document, duplicate it and save it as something else. I can’t possibly understand how is Autosave bad. In fact it is a typical example of the “I want things to stay just the way they were, even if the old way was bad” approach, mentioned by Spade above.

          1. How is autosave a major new convenience when it disrupts my workflow because it forces me to work around it. And to answer your question, no, I’ve not lost a document working on either a PC or Mac where I’ve forgotten to click save or Cmd+S in the Mac’s case. If you have problems remembering to save documents you’re working on I suggest that the rest of your problems will seem huge by comparison because I can’t think of an easier way to remember to save than by reflexively keying Cmd+S.

            Another problem with autosave is in not allowing me to save whenever I want so the save in background process interrupts my ability to work on a document. I think if you don’t have enough thinking power in your brain to remember to save then it’ll be better if you worked on an Etch-a-Sketch because obviously working on more complex concepts will be way beyond your grasp.

            And the analogy between an auto gearbox and manual shift is fallacious because if I want I can choose to purchase a car with manual shift. In the case of Lion, Apple has entirely removed the choice of whether autosave is a feature the user wants from the user’s hand. You may like that sort of approach coming from a communist mindset but most freedom loving people prefer to be given a choice.

    4. Final Cut Pro X is absolutely awesome. To call it a disaster is total exaggeration. The program is fast, elegant and fun to use. The results are professional even if the methods are simplified. Looking back on previous versions and other software, everything prior feels clunky and convoluted in comparison. I have both iterations but the X version is way ahead of its time and though cheaper, it feels more luxurious.

  2. So many clairvoyants! Who needs the future (or the past, even) when we can see it all now?

    I was lanning on getting certified in iLife and Logic Pro 9. Appears to be no certification in ilIfe now, OK- but better hold off on Logic, I guess… and Lion- because I can’t afford to buy any new Adobe products.

  3. Oh brother. If they do an overhaul, I hope they at least keep the same basic workflow. There are plenty of things that are less than intuitive about Logic, but the basic track/timeline thing is GOOD, not bad. Don’t follow Final Cut Pro X into that weird trackless/track world. Please.

  4. Removing choice for powerusers .. stupid

    Alienating pro users by not allowing them to use archived material .. stupid

    Removing software sales from dedicated retailers and expecting them to support the software they can’t sell .. stupid

    Dumbing down an operating system because some combo of greedy marketing and bean counting dudes who’ve never met an enduser or a computer in their lives think that there’s so much more profit and so many more heads in the phone, pod, pad market .. stupid

    Antagonising your loyal userbase through arrogance and contempt .. stupid

    Not listening to the groundswell of users who “love the product but hate the company” .. stupid

  5. If everyone knows so much, yet hates the software why don’t they:

    1) Develop their own software,
    2) Hack the framework and rebuild,
    3) Learn to use said software as the creator intended,
    4) Stay with Snow Leopard and older software
    5) Run Linux,
    6) Go back to windows!

    Everyone has different preferences! To argue and name call is childish! Find what works for you and stick with it!

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