Apple has pulled the Exodus International app from their iTunes App Store.
Recently, Jeff Buchanan, Exodus International’s Senior Director of Church Equipping & Student Ministries, told The Christian Post, “In no way shape or form is our message about trying to cure or do we try to promote that type of methodology or message… This is a label (gay cure app) that has been put forth by opponents to the application to serve as propaganda in order to stigmatize and really label the application in a false way and provoking a response such as you are seeing with the application.”
Katherine T. Phan reports for The Christian Post, “Over 107,477 people have petitioned Apple to remove the Exodus app from the iTunes store. The petition, launched by Truth Wins Out, a LGBT rights group, calls Exodus’ message ‘hateful’ and ‘bigoted.’ On Monday, Truth Wins Out, whose name is a play on words of Exodus’ Love Won Out conferences, urged more people to sign its petition.”
In addition to releasing a video on why Apple should remove the app, the LGBT rights group also pledged to continue pressuring Apple until the app is removed, even promising to hold a press conference featuring victims of ‘ex-gay’ programs in front of the company’s offices if their demands are not met,” Phan reports. “We are disheartened at the fact that there are activists who are rising up to silence our voice on the Exodus iTunes platform,” said Buchanan. “We want to ask that there would be fair and equal representation of religious belief on this platform as is already existing. We would like the spirit of diversity and tolerance that is so valued within the LGBT community.”
The non-defunct link to the app via Apple’s iTunes App Store was here.
Related articles:
Over 100,000 sign petition demanding Apple pull ‘ex-gay’ app from iTunes App Store – March 21, 2011
Petition calls for Apple to pull ‘ex-gay’ app from iTunes App Store – March 18, 2011
The intolerant militant homosexual movement “wins” another one of their “wars.” One question:
If homosexuals “didn’t choose” to be that way, what about pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles, and coprophiles?
Consent vs. Nonconsent. Your logic is flawed.
Wait, are you trying to say that pedophiles “choose” to be sexually attracted to children and therefore consign themselves to either a sexless life or, if they act, a depraved (and hopefully incarcerated) life?
The same for those sexually attracted to corpses, animals, and feces?
Are you trying to say that having sex with a child, an animal, a corpse, or a pile of shit, is even remotely related to two same-sex ADULTS CONSENTING to have intercourse?
Oh, so neither the homosexual, the pedophile, the necrophiliac, or the coprophiliac chose to be that way, but because the homosexuals can find another to consent to the sexual aberration, it’s fine and, quite certainly, very dandy. I get it now.
I’m talking about consent and you keep talking about choice. Quit grasping at straws to prove your flawed argument.
you are being to logical for the “gay” people. For some reason they believe their cause is a “civil” cause and the difference between pedo’s and what they do is a simple ” I do accept” …
amazing isn’t it ?
I think God will be clearing up the human confusion and insistence on doing His job very soon. PLease hurry God. Save your children from damnation. We are sinners.
Try looking at it from a somewhat more practical angle: As long as consenting adults are involved, other people’s sex lives are none of your damned business.
THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS…Apple caving into the fascism of the so called, “gay” militants and removing the “Exodus App” is no more and no less than a high-tech book burning and no less odious than the Nazis burning books. (No coincidence that the same Brown Shirts elite “gays” that were behind the Nazi book burnings are behind this new-age book burning Exodus and other groups like “Jonah” offer a way of freedom and redemption from the bondage of homosexual addiction to the “homosexual” and as such by the very act of offering hope it presents an existential threat to the preferred lie and crutch of the addicted “homosexual” that they have no control and no choice over their condition. This issue has backfired on the censors in the “lavender mafia” and brought global attention to the existence of Exodus International and will inform multitudes of our brothers and sisters who suffer the slavery of homosexuality. THANK GOD FOR THE GAY MOB! A great moment in the ministry to homosexuals!
…having sex with a pile of shit…
Two Words: Barney Frank!
I just threw up in my mouth… uggggg….
And… Larry Craig!
haha now thats something i can agree with!
Yes it is….
No it’s not…
Yes gays are just as bad as all these things
It’s NOT intercourse if done in the way you imagine- intercourse involves a male & female- the rest is inter”off” course by a few inches
That was the first witty response I’ve read from the homophobes. Thanks for the chuckle, even if I don’t agree with you, lol
Yeah you really can’t separate them, if you’re going to say sexual orientation is an inborn thing. It’s pretty ridiculous to say that it is of course, we DO choose either way inasmuch as a human being can choose. And if there is no such thing as free will as science would seem to suggest then they’re absolutely the same, systems reacting to their inputs and nothing more.
Oh and plenty of people classified as pedophiles have consenting partners. There are kids going to jail in the US because they turned eighteen before their girlfriends. If anything someone screwing any member of the opposite sex who is past puberty (nature’s age of consent, and the guide for the age of consent in most less religiously backwards places) is infinitely more natural and ‘better’ than homosexuality. That’s one hundred percent a morality tie up, the same as all the silly little abstinence programs. Because of our stupid mores we want our kids to keep being dumb innocent children until they’re twenty-one when in reality we’re ready to get out in the world and run down antelope and stick spears in rival tribesmen and have kids once we past puberty.
So yeah, for that one at least homosexuality is definitely more abberrant, I think everyone realizes that the 18yo age of consent is a joke and that every man in the US wants to bang sixteen year olds no matter how ‘perverted’ it supposedly is. For that matter apparently a lot of women do too 😀 That’s our prime, when nature’s making us our most attractive so we can quickly attract a mate before we die of natural causes at twenty five or so.
That being said I don’t really have any problem with gay people. Sex is for fun, procreation is for procreation, they’re not the same thing. Now, a guy walking around in a skirt with his balls hanging out the bottom is a completely different thing, I TOTALLY have a problem with attention whores of every sort and wish they would all contract horrible slowly fatal diseases. As long as they’re useful respectful members of society though, what hole people want to stick what into is their own business.
Georgia Bill – it is a conditioned sexual perversion. Hypocrisy Alert’s point & parallel are robust. You are confused b/c you miss the binary aspect of this reality. No matter how you twist the your argument – you cannot change this fact.
Eloquent speech without logic or proof is still b.s. to me. You say it’s a “conditioned sexual perversion” and that H.A.’s “point and parallel are robust”, yet give no reasoning as to why, except to say it is. Don’t worry about me “twist”ing my argument. It has, and will, remain the same: Consenting adults engaging in intercourse is far removed from the other acts, all of which amount to some form of rape. If you, or anyone else, can come up with a thoughtful, logical, fact-based argument that supports H.A.s point, I’m happy to read it. I’m an open-minded guy, but you’ll have to do much better than “He is right, you are confused.”
“conditioned sexual perversion”? If so, presumably no human or animal would engage in homosexual behavior without being conditioned, which is contradicted by every observation, test or study, particularly in the case of animals. By whom and how, for example, are animals conditioned to engage in the homosexual behavior which has been observed in a number of species?
“robust”. Absurd. Hypocrisy Advocate repeatedly ignores any points not in support of his unsubstantiated comparisons.
“confused b/c you miss the binary aspect of this reality”? I am confused by what notion of reality you live in, as your statement is ridiculous, irrelevant to any rational discussion and utterly illogical.
Well, homosexually are worth about as much as your “pile of shit”, so, yeah
I guess they found the “GAY Gene”. Apparently being gay isn’t a choice or perversion, but rather a genetic make up. homosexuals are perverted human beings, and pedophiles are just MORE perverted. Just continue your pursuit of sexual deviation and you will find yourself attracted to a piece of sh1t next. I mean your already sniffing around the orifice where it comes out…doesn’t seem like a big leap to me. Golden showers anyone? perverts.
Sounds like you’ve been reading up on all those fantasies you aren’t brave enough to try…yet.
@sickout you do realize that over 95% of pedophiles are male heterosexual middle-class businessmen, don’t you? So, if you fall into that category then chances are many of your colleagues are pedophiles. Pedophilia has very little to do with sex and is more about power and control, which is why they pick on defenseless children. Remember pedophile priests were males (almost all heterosexual) using their power against young boys (and in only rare cases young girls). So based on what you said pedophiles are just MORE perverted heterosexual males middle-class businessmen. And your apparent knowledge of homosexual activity leads one to believe you’ve probably engaged in it more than once. Particularly your knowledge of golden showers (which had to look up to find out what they were). I think you doth protest to much and engage in that which you rail against. Nothing worse than a self-loathing homosexual like you. Even your screen name bespeaks your self-loathing.
Sorry, autocorrect changed sickofit to sickout.
When you put your stick in a butt, yes you are having sex with a post-pile of shit.
I believe that there are people born out there who as they mature learn from their emotions etc that they are attracted to people of the same sex. (They’re born that way). I also believe that some people similarly learn that they are attracted to children.. And I believe that some people develop and learn that they need to be with multiple partners – polygamy. I believe that many in each of these groups were “born that way”.
The pedophile can’t act on his natural urges without running afoul of child molestation statutes and finding him/herself imprisoned – while the ages of legal consent may be somewhat arbitrary, overall it serves to protect many who cant help themselves. You should feel sorry for the self-constrained pedophile – he was born to grow, mature and yet still remain attracted to children. If must be very difficult for him to live surrounded by what his body and mind says should be his – yet he can never touch that forbidden fruit bc if he does he forfeits his freedom. That is a sad existence and one that I pity. Perhaps one day psychology will develop procedures to re-write his attraction programing – until then, he has to walk thru this life alone and empty.
In reality, the homosexual group has nearly attained parity with straights. In some ways they have more rights in that they are essentially a protected class. And more importantly, the consent issue faced by the pedophile is absent with the homosexual.
The polygamist also have no consent issue. It seems to me that these two groups are most closely analogous. And it also seems to me that these groups should align themselves to increase their numbers and political power.
I would suggest that both the polygamists and homosexual groups unite and advocate for a right to marry whomever you want (regardless of number) so long as the putative spouse(s) are consenting adults.
And until we can cure the poor pedophile, we should give him our support and empathy.
Homosexuality = 2 consenting adults
the rest are not, big difference.
” 2 consenting adults the rest are not, big difference.”
How do you get consent from a pile of shit?
A corpse… some would say that saying nothing to a request is a tacit agreement.
Animals… Are you Dr. Doolittle, if not, then how do you know they didn’t consent? Does a horse consent to being ridden or pulling a coach?
a child… apparently there are adult children who can give their consent. What? Haven’t heard of adult children… Yeah, sounds like an oxymoron, but our current elected bozos seem to think that it is a perfect term to use for this part in the new health care law recently passed.
“Health-care overhaul legislation, signed into law by President Obama earlier this year, allows adult children to remain on their parents’ health plan until age 26.”
Oxymoron, I see where the moron part comes in.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/insurance/employers-reluctant-to-add-older-dependents-sooner-rather-than-l/19502338/
A child is a human offspring, no matter what age, so yes, there ARE adult children. When talking about about pedo’s, one talks about children below a certain age of consent.
Right. My point exactly. Shit, children of an illegal age, animals and the dead cannot consent (legally.)
So, I reiterate:
Homosexuality = 2 consenting adults
The rest are not. Big difference.
There is no hidden meaning.. Figure it out.
i bet i could get a 12 year old to consent to have sex w/ me, is that ok???
No, because your 12 year old cannot LEGALLY give consent.
I bet half the jail population runs a train on you and then kills you for raping a 12 year old. Is that ok?
Somehow I doubt there is enough money or enough dope on the earth to make that happen.
So, sex between consenting adults? How about sexual attraction between brother and brother? Brother and sister? Sister and sister? Adult child and parent? and so on.
Well that would be incest. Personally, it ain’t right in my book, but it is legal in some parts of the world.
And if you are Christian and you believe in the same bible that condemns homosexuality. Well, that same bible tells another story about Adam and Eve who had two sons. That means mom was the only other woman around.
Just sayin.
Excellent thought StanW. Additionally, why limit it to just two? How large groups of consenting adults? Sheesh a line must be drawn somewhere. And the bible does that already…sex is a gift from God between 1 man and 1 woman within a marraige. Extending the line beyond that is done just to fulfill your selfish desires? What is flawed here is the lack of faith, arrogance, and ignorance of the LBGT community.
InChrist,
You are free to believe what you wish..
I just can’t put any faith or relevance into a book that preaches that homosexual sex is an abomination on par with shaving your beard, or eating shrimp.
Read your Leviticus..
The Bible is as flawed as the men who wrote and interpreted it.
I have to note that marriage was not invented by Christians. It was around along before the Christian god was even thought up. The argument “because religion says so” also goes against Separation of Church and State. “Because the Bible and God says so” is an invalid argument.
Not true. The vast majority of pedophile encounters are consenting. The extremely rare cases of child molesters (i.e. not pedophiles) are the ones who make the news and skew the reaction of people who refuse to analyze the subject dispassionately and logically.
Coprophilia does not necessarily involve any partner so consent is not a factor. Or, if a partner is involved, surely this amounts to consent.
Necrophilia does not require consent.
This is not really the right forum for such distasteful, off-topic subjects and I understand not everyone will agree with me. But, controversial, distasteful and so on, what I say is true, nevertheless.
That’s why I said consenting ADULTS.
meaning of legal age.
“The vast majority of pedophile encounters are consenting.”
Under the law, a child cannot legally consent to sex. Even if they say “yes”, that means nothing in the eyes of the law. Children are not intelligent enough to understand the meaning, ramifications, and potential consequences of sexual activity.
Your attempt to justify pedophilia/hebephilia/non-legal ephebophilia is disgusting, and you have my pity.
Ok the real perverts are the ones obsessed with what everyone else is doing in their bedrooms number one number two they are the ones who have no problem watching a person’s head being blown off, in fact they call it entertainment. I wonder what Christ would think about that double standard. You all seem very willing to cast the first stone but according the the sources you love to cite, being drunk is a perversion, being obese is a perversion, having an affair is a perversion, oral sex a perversion, sex during menstruation a perversion, sex for pleasure a perversion, masturbation a perversion. I guess the only legal grounds for divorce
should become adultery because that’s in the Bible as well.
Oh yeah greed is a perversion, as is lying and not paying taxes. “Cesar’s things to Cesar” Jesus said. Not helping the poor is a perversion and finally, according to Jesus Christ himself, judgement itself is a perversion. You all really need to figure out what is really wrong with this world because you are really the ones making the mockery of what’s truly important. I would love to be able to shine a spotlight into all of your bedrooms.
Homosexuality = multiple consenting “adults” (are you taking in the truck stop, public bathroom massage parlor factor?)
Nevermind the spread of diseases because now, adults 1 through 654 don’t have to worry about impregnating the other adults because it’s just mutual masturbation with a gritty butthole or disease ridden fish.
There, fixed it for you.
Dude, I really don’t want to hear about your personal stories. It’s fitting how your middle name is “ddbagg”. Double douche-bag! Lol
right. Because straight people don’t have casual sex.
@h2a: In point of fact, homosexuals are far more promiscuous than hetereosexuals. Study after study throughout the years prove this, and the only arguments against said studies revolve around rhetoric, not statistics.
it also equals them shoving it down everyones throat and flaunting it in all our institutions including the military. They dont want anyone to disagree with them. It used to be about just wanting people to leave you alone but thats not good enough.
Next step, polygamy, all ways; guy-girls, girl-guys, guy-guys-girls, etc. Why not? Absolutely no reason why not.
If want to be technical, you have to draw the distinction between pedophiles and child molesters. A pedophile probably can’t help what he or she is attracted to. But molesting children is a detestable crime, not at all comparable to consensual homosexual relationships.
Draw a distinction between pedophiles and child molesters!? What the heck are you talking about??? They’re all freaks one in the same!
As far as homosexuality being comparable to pedophilia, necrophilia, -ilia, that’s all a matter of opinion. Just because Hollywood has decided that homosexuality is ‘normal’ now and that the rest of us must accept it or we are “bigots”, does not make homosexuality moral and ethical.
Homosexuality is not a naturally accepted phenomenon, or else homosexuals would be able to reproduce, but that’s kind of hard, isn’t it??
You liberal nutjobs make me laugh.
i would argue that it is equally immoral for those who are infertile to have sex. it’s not a naturally accepted phenomenon, or else they could reproduce, but that’s kind of hard, isn’t it??
How is that equivalent, h2a? It sucks to have to grasp for a reply when you can’t refute, huh?
Your above argument is that sex between those who can’t reproduce is morally wrong. Why do you only apply that to homosexuals?
You are not just an irrational bore and bigot, you give yourself away: You are plainly a mean-spirited, narrow-minded, self important prig. You have a black heart the size of a rice grain. You deny other people the right to a good life, whilst enjoying your own freedom to do what you like and enjoy. Mudding the water by comparing gay people with sex monsters, and bizarre fetishists is laughable. Breeding isn’t part of everyone’s destiny. Ask the ants and bees. Yet non-breeding individuals contribute massively to the general good.
I guess that means oral or anal sex between men and women should be illegal too, then.
h2a, the guy who cant reproduce doesn’t choose to not reproduce, he is unable, homos on the other hand choose not to reproduce
So why stop at homosexuality, why not allow polygamy? Why can’t they have what they want? What makes two people with the same sex normal and not one man with 10 wives? Why are they looked down at?
@MoronAgainstHomos
You ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed, are you, boy?
A pedophile is only attracted to children, but a child molester actually does something about it. That’s a pretty huge distiction right there.
Also, as far as being black goes, just because Hollywood has decided that negroes are ‘normal’ now and the rest of us must accept it or we are “bigots” does not make negroes moral and ethical. Look at their supposed “culture”, for Christ’s sake! It’s all about gangs, guns, booze, bitches, fried chicken, these cacophonous jungle beats somehow passing for music… And don’t even get me started on the way they talk. Ever had one of them “ax” you a question? Damn, sometimes I’m not even sure they’re speaking English. Seriously, can you honestly look me straight in the eye and tell me they’re 100% human? No way. They gotta be at least half chimp.
And don’t call me a racist, brother, ’cause I’m not. I’m just telling it like it is.
P.S.,
If homosexuality is wrong because they can’t reproduce, then it’s wrong for infertile people to get married. Or have sex. Or kiss. At all. With anybody. Because even if they’re heterosexual there’s no possibility of them reproducing. So I guess they should be considered deviants or at the very least second-class citizens. And who’s to say they didn’t CHOOSE to be biologically infertile, huh? Those sick perverts.
They’re almost as bad as liberals.
Homosexuals are perverse deviants. You can ALWAYS count on the gays to sue you too. Even animals know same-sex relations are unnatural – gay men/women do not. No matter how much the gays cry and whine – they are a minute, insignificant, dead end part of the species who contribute little because they are too busy suing us in court.
Not true … study the penguin or ducks. You never saw two male dogs humping? What rock have you been under? They all have same-sex relations.
@NeversawAGaysonlyDrinkingFountain There are lots of animals that are homosexual. If you’ve ever owned guinea pigs you’ll soon realize they’re mostly gay. Giraffes, gay. Penquins, ducks = gay. Oh, and what about seahorses? Not only do they engage in homosexual activity they actually occasionally change their gender physically. Some years they’re female, other years they’re male.
Mentioning the animal kingdom to bolster your argument just shows you how absolutely stupid (or ignorant) you are.
BTW new stem cell engineering allows a skin cell to fertilize an egg. So, at least homosexual women, will actually be able to fertilize their partner’s eggs and the child will be genetically linked to both female parents. And all their children will be female. Men watch out. The majority of the earth’s population has needed you around for sperm. If that’s not necessary, then you (and the violence men bring to situations) won’t be needed. So, your argument that homosexuals can’t reproduce is moot, well at least for homosexual women. Right now the cost is prohibitive for most couples. But, it will certainly become less expensive the more prevalent it becomes.
So, are you stating that you “choose” to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex?
Hypocrisy Alert’s logic is dead on, Georgis Bill, and here’s why…
He’s NOT claiming those other *philes* are the same as consenting adults, but they ARE the same as far as sexual deviency goes in that those people are wired that way, just as homosexuals are. The homosexual movement is about the most intolerant gang out there and yet tolerence is what they claim to be asking for…..
Wrong. “Sexual deviency” is a matter of perception with regard to homosexuality. The Moral Right will say it’s condemned in the Bible, and yet they choose to ignore all other archaic restrictions on what you can and should do. The more free-thinking populous couldn’t care less what they do, as long as it doesn’t adversely affect anyone else. That’s how freedom should work in this country: Do whatever you want as long as you don’t hurt another’s person or property. As far as all the other “philes” are concerned, they are tantamount to rape, and common sense should tell you not to even go there. And lastly, when there are two opposing viewpoints, both sides would be considered “intolerant” of each other. But all LGBTs want is to be treated the same as any god-fearing Christian would be. I’m siding with the LGBTs on this one because I haven’t heard one good reason not to. Hell, it doesn’t affect me. Live and let live, I say.
@ Georgia Bill
The whole arguments about the Bible being a contradictory book because it talks about specific commands to the Jewish community in Leviticus is like saying homosexuals are bad because they are homosexuals. Both arguments are ignorant at best. If you believe in the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. Trying to convice someone who is enamored of that lifestyle through logic is pure folly at best. One of the reasons the aforementioned Exodus Love Won Out series works is because it shows love and compassion through Biblical perspective, which is something that the church and many Christians have failed miserably at.
As for the whole Leviticus argument thing, I would simply compare it to studying a book like the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich without any cultural or historical context. Don’t believe if you don’t want to. However, if you are going to delve into exegesis, please read up a bit.
I would also like people to post a link to information where there is verified scientific evidence of a “gay gene” as opposed to a predispositioned (mental) attraction to the opposite sex.
I didn’t give consent to listen to your pro-gay militant BS….so shut up!
Isn’t it past your bedtime CJ? Don’t you have school in the morning? Run along now and leave this discussion to the grown ups.
GA Bill: You have changed the subject and criticized Hypocrisy Alert’s (HA) logic as applied to your new subject—to which the argument was not directed. HA’s point is that pedophiles, et al., also did not choose to be that way and society not only tolerates efforts for those people to reign in their sexual inclinations: society demands that they do.
Yet here, there is no such demand involved. The now censored application was simply made available to those people who choose to reign in their sexual inclinations so that they may live in conformity with their religious beliefs.
The homosexual activists have “won” by depriving other free and consenting adults of access to something they wanted. The reason they did so is because they are interested in forcing other people to accept, rather than tolerate their agenda.
Consent would determine the actions legality, but not it’s status of a matter of choice. Your logic is shallow.
Did you choose to be a bastard asshole, or were you born that way? Just curious.
Well, you’ve obviously got no answer.
You are obviously a total Git, and not worthy of anyone’s time. A smug, opinionated, self-satisfied bore, who enjoys his own freedom to have a life, without granting that right to other people. Bringing up various fetishes and sex crimes, and trying to label gay people as the same category, is irrational, but more obviously indicative of your mean spirit, evil heart and narrow mind.
He was apparently worth your time…
-shnar
I would say the same thing about you, MacBill.
I would say the same thing about you, ByteRider.
Interesting point. I’d go further into the depths of devil’s advocacy to say, what if you’re born to love older men/women and you come across someone that’s born to love much younger boys/girls. Shouldn’t they also have rights to love who they choose?
yes, they should, as long as both are consenting and of legal age. 18.
Please people, stop assuming that the USA is the whole world. Many countries have ages of consent lower than the ridiculously-high 18. Some are as low as 12. Many are tolerant of things that the US finds “perverted”. Many find America’s rabid christianity and right-wing crusading disturbing. Many find Amerca’s cultural terrorism damned annoying. Many wish you’d just shut up for a while and stop trying to tell everyone else that they should be, think and behave exactly as you do.
It happens all the time. People in their 40’s or 50’s engage in relationships with people in their 20’s and 30’s.
The lack of any sense in your post is breathtaking.
Group X should not be able promote respect for their differences and freedom to live peacefully as they like because Groups Y and Z commit crimes?
Freedom of speech means people can criticize whoever they want (outside of slander). But it also means people can fight to be respected. If you can’t cheer on a peaceful (hardly militant) movement like that, or recognize the difference between freedom of expression vs. freedom to commit crimes, something is not right with your moral compass.
When did you choose to be straight? Oh, what, you didn’t? You were born straight? Yeah, thought so.
I may not have chosen my sexual preference, but I sure as hell can choose my behavior.
So what’s your point?
so, monogamous, Christ-centered homosexual relationships arent okay?
Please. I know more hetero sluts and whores than I know promiscuous gays.
Per capita I bet you are wrong.
Of course, you have data to support yourself, correct?
@kmichaels: It’s a well-established fact that society has known (not just theorized, but proven through study) about for decades. If you weren’t so enthralled by the agenda, maybe you would have joined the rest of us, including some on the Left, .
But if you insist: http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/promiscuity/
Now you’ll ignore me and/or you or another will come back with some combination of the following: hand-waving or some logical fallacy (ad hominem is the most popular choice but circular arguments and repeating what’s already been addressed adequately are also likely candidates).
1) No such thing.
2) Who cares who you say you know? There’s no reason to trust you, nor would who you know be relevant either way. Studies have ALWAYS shown homosexuals are as a whole far more promiscuous than heterosexuals.
To refute your point #1, I present an excerpt from Exodus:
“Also, we do not label ourselves “ex-gay” but identify as Christians who have had or have same sex attractions.”
See that last part? “Have”, as in “present tense”. Sounds like some gay Christians to me…
And you can cite those studies, right?
All are born straight. Gays choose to be that way
All are born gay. Straights choose to be that way
(And why not? It makes just as much sense.)
Consenting adults: pedophiles, zoophiles, necrophiles, and coprophile do not involve consenting partners. That is rape, just as heterosexuals and homosexuals who force others to have unwanted sex.
A quick check on on the App Store:
Christian = 488 apps
Muslim = 235 apps
Jewish = 120 apps
Gay = 105 apps
Apple is very fair to religion. Right wing christians are far from being oppressed.
So why are gays having a hissy fit about this app? Are some gays not allowed to try and be straight and who’s making up these rules?
I don’t own ANYTHING made by apple. How you folks guy pay top dollar for a product that censors it’s information is way beyond me. I think ALL of you are idiots.
The way it should be: Any and all apps, period. No “Overlord of Apps” allowed… da$mn you people are stupid.
You don’t own any Apple products, and yet you come to an Apple site to post comments. Dumbass troll just outed himself as a dumbass troll.
I have no idea from where you got these numbers – for example only Jewish apps you can find about 700 – check out http://www.jewishiphonecommunity.org/category/iphoneipad
Nice try. You must be a “size queen”. Size does not matter in this issue. Apple has executed pure VIEWPOINT DISCRIMINATION in this case and should reverse there ill advised caving to intimidation from a fascistic militant minority.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
— The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
So Apple is Congress now. What a dope. As a gay conservative, I feel that the mainstream media, Apple, you liberals, you unforgiving Christians, and you gay baters are all moronic, unsophisticated idealist with no common understanding of history, true freedom, choice. love, passion, and hope. You are all idiots. Almost every single comment on this site must have been written by fools. Has everyone in the U.S, my home country, gone completely insane. We still are the greatest country in the world–don’t get me wrong. But the world does not count much these days. Everyone is so stuck up their own @66 that they cannot stop eatting the cavier for 10 seconds to think critically on this subject.
NO one does not have a right to do whatever he or she wants to do.
Yes, homosexuality is not a sin.
Yes, homosexual acts do de-limit one’s freedom.
Yes, people are born into an evironment in which there genes might condition them to be homosexual. Meaning that biological and sociological connections are both obivious and common sense. Do not TRY to disagree. Resistance to these truths is futile.
Nice false equivalency you set up there.
Mutually consenting relationship vs immoral and illegal victimization.
bingo
You’re an idiot. Who would choose to have such a sexual orientation? The point is that gay adults consent to be with each other and therefore, it’s not a problem. How pedophiles or zoophiles end up dealing with their predicament is a totally different issue. D’uh.
simple enough…someone start a petition to keep it available. the way the lib society works is ‘it’ (fill in the blank) can not exist if they do not agree with it.
I don’t know why you religious/conservative people even try to debate, your arguments never hold water and they just come across as a crazy conspiracists rant or an angry misanthrope. Normal, intelligent people generally use calm logic and reason to make their points, something that a religious, conservative person could never hope to win against (I mean, after all, you do believe in an invisible man, living in the sky granting wishes to those who pray to him. It doesn’t get any more illogical or crazier than that! amiright?).
If you really want to win an argument, just tell the truth – that you “feel” the way you do. Just say, “Look, I don’t like fags, immigrants, or abortion, and I hate and fear things that I’m told threaten me or that I don’t understand. I’m full of anger, fear, and hate, and that’s the reason I’m against these things… because I ‘feel’ that way.” A logical person will have no debate against that and will only be able to say, “Wow, can’t argue with that. you win your argument! Jesus must be proud.”
Anyway, hope this helps.
because we are right every time… hence; right- conservative…
but i am offended by communist apps, will apple take those off…. gay community- grow some balls….hahahahah
Wow, you’re so far out there they named a land after you.
Wait, you’re accusing conservatives of doing EXACTLY what gay people do all along. You say they simply have ‘feelings’ against homosexuality. The proof gay people always give for justification of their behavior is that they ‘feel’ that way and therefore, it’s ‘natural’. Now, it may very well be natural, and I’m not one to either confirm that or deny that. But, neither are gay people. To simply assert that ‘I feel that way’ is no more proof of homosexuality being natural than a Christian saying ‘I feel that way’ is proof that there is a God. Doesn’t mean either is or isn’t true. It just means feelings don’t justify fact on either side.
Scientific proof on the matter is mixed at best, especially since current thought is that people’s orientation is usually set by the time they reach elementary school, long before awareness of it, making psychological tests almost impossible. But whether or not it is natural also holds no bearing on whether it is moral. People may have a natural tendency to violent anger or a natural sexual addiction; the ‘naturalness’ of either does not justify it morally. Good tendencies are the same way. The ‘natural’ desire of someone to help someone in trouble doesn’t make it morally good. I don’t know what the moral standard is, but it definitely isn’t a feeling’s/action’s ‘naturalness’.
Sexual Orientation = heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality
Behavior = pedophilia, zoophilia, bestiality, incest, etc.
“Intolerant militant homosexual” catch phrase = made by religious douche bags that don’t want to acknowledge that they’re a homophobic bigot, so they paint all gay people with the same broad brush stroke.
Since a behavior is something you do, sex is a behavior. Since sex is a behavior, then homosexuality, hetero, bi, pedo, zoo, beastiality are all sexual behaviors.
Just different flavors of the behavior.
The question first posed has NEVER been answered.
Since all are behaviors and even going on the premise that homosexuality is gene related, why aren’t the rest gene related?
Same as murderer’s, etc… it’s all behavior that you can’t stop because you’re “BORN that way” right?
The first question has been answered many, many times. Too bad you dismiss all logical explanations and gravitate towards the ones that bolster your already preconceived notions. Your ignorance clearly shows.
They are militant. They dont want anyone to disagree with them. It used to be about just wanting people to leave you alone but thats not good enough. NO one has to like you and they can have a damn app if they want!
Homo groups are the new Nazi’s. Apple and Steve Jobs should be ashamed to pander to a worthless group of nags like LGBT groups that represent the bottom of the barrel of American society.
Offensive comments. ‘The bottom of the barrel’ are racists and homophobes.
no they just view things differently like gay people do so……ya your a dumb ass
Aww… Did somebody hurt your feelings, Matty? Are you a racist homophobe? Poor little Nazi boy…
Gay is not a “race” you retarded fag!
@CJ
You need serious help with reading comprehension. Stay in school.
lol! you speak of ” bottom of the barrel American society” and name yourself UpTheAzz.. now who’s calling the kettle black?
Your tripe is racially motivated and therefore not worth text.
You too! Gay is not a race! I can clearly see why you people like to play in human feces. You have no clear sence of intelligence or shame. But hey….that’s your choice…..keep that shit to yourself or your boyfriend. Leave the Church alone. If they are wrong….they will be ignored. If you are wrong….you will be ignored. It’s really simple. You are only solidifying the distain that others already have for you, and others like you, with your unrelenting assualt on common decency and militant tactics.
Homosexuality is not a choice, nor is it contagious. Relax.
homosexual agenda of hate America wins again, to the chagrin of America and all that was once great about America
Hypocrisy Alert— I found your message to be homophobic, pedophobic, zooliophobic, necrophobic, and corpophobic. Shame on you. Homosexuals, Pedophiles, etc, all have a right to co-exist, spread disease, rape children, etc.
Well, if it’s a “choice” then you are admitting that you are bisexual? Meaning, you are attracted to both men and women, but “choose” to be with women. Congrats on coming out as bi-sexual, Hypocrisy Alert.
Considering dropping IPhone, their website and all the apps. Beyond the moral debate is the free speech issue. Wheres the free speech? Its just like liberal college campuses shouting down opposition instead of welcoming debate. If Apple is really picking a side on this then I’m gone. Shame on you, you wimps.
what about arsholes?
Q: What is a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic misogynist hater?
A: Anyone winning a debate against a godless leftist.
No, the “don’t lie to people” movement has won.
It is so sad that anyone who speaks out against the gay agenda gets bullied and silenced while the gay community gets free reign to spew filth and nonsense.
What filth and nonsense are the gay community spewing? Please elaborate.
Of course, since the gay community knows nothing of being bullied and silenced.
And that makes it right?
The gay agenda? You mean people who want to be treated equally and not be rated as second class humans, who are willing to stand up for themselves in a society full of bigots who want them to shut up?
Filth and nonsense? Can you just elaborate on that for me? Or did you just choose those words to make your comment seem like it served some kind of purpose.
“You mean people who want to be treated equally and not be rated as second class humans, who are willing to stand up for themselves in a society full of bigots who want them to shut up?”
COULD THAT NOT BE SAID OF CHRISTIANS ALSO?
i am a Christian. And it would behoove some of them to shut their traps once in awhile.
Right… Christians have it so bad in this country. Are you kidding me? I live in the Bible Belt and, trust me, y’all are running this shit. Quit being a martyr.
There is substantially more Christian bashing in the USA than there is gay bashing.
You have proof of this claim?
That’s because most people are educated (although you can’t tell from this board) and call out bullshit when they see it. I know I try to. If the Christians (and I hate to lump them all together, because there are many out there that are doing alot of good) want to stop being bashed then they need to stop spreading hate, lies, and bullshit. Simple, really.
Perhaps because Christians have made their religion into a political agenda.
@cry me a river: Do you live under a rock? Unless you count some school kid saying “that’s gay” about something totally irrelevant as “gay bashing,” I’ve heard ZERO gay bashing in the popular culture while the Left takes great pleasure in bashing Christians in all sorts of “art” (movies, entertainment TV, pictures, etc.) and on their agenda-pushing television programs (news/politics commentary).
@rvanward: You help prove kmichaels’s point.
@CanofSand
No gay bashing? Just a quick glimpse at this comment section refutes that claim. Or did you not read anything before you posted? I know you said “in pop culture”, but that’s a weak argument. It’s the stigma LGBTs have to deal with in real life that’s the issue here. And sorry, but rvanward’s comment was pretty spot on. Religion has been infiltrating politics for quite a long time. Stating a fact is far from the “bashing” you think it is, no matter how much you may dislike hearing it.
“Left takes great pleasure in bashing Christians”
The only “Christian bashing” I’ve ever seen coming from the left is the bashing of false Christians who claim to be the real deal… But then go around doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught. Like hating people, persecuting them, treating them as inferiors, showing aggression, failing to exercise compassion and tolerance, never turning the other cheek, etc. etc.
Which, alarmingly and quite sadly, seems to be the case for most people in the USA calling themselves “Christians”.
you are going to have to come to terms that gay people are less then 1%..and people like myself do not agree with it… but that does not mean we will treat you any different ( as long as you stop shoving your SEXUAL preferance down our throats) I dont go around making my sexual preferance a race…so you are not any better then me and you do not get extra rights… get over it and yourself..as for apple, I have spent probably over 10,000 on apple and this will be my last time …i Do not support a company who thinks they are god and can decide what is better for me…
Don’t let the door hit you in the homophobic ass.
Just because you don’t agree with it, doesn’t make you homophobic. This kind of talk from both sides of the issue is shameful.
Dude. Seriously. He just decided to stop buying products from a company in which he has $10,000 invested because they removed an anti-gay app from their store. It’s hard not to read homophobia into that.
They are not bullying anyone. Nobody is being beat up, ridiculed, or having their rights taken away or minimized. They are not even promoting laws to limit anti-gay expression, as the App Store is not a legal forum. This is as peaceful – and non-bullying – as cultural differences could possibly be expressed.
They pushed for the removal an app that is disrespectful to their moral right to live peacefully as they choose to be removed using a petition, which is well within normal civilized discourse, not to mention the constitutional value of life, liberty and the search for happiness.
There is not even a hint of bullying.
It is bullying if Wayne Besen wants to set up press conferences in front of Apple headquarters every week and try to embarrass Apple. Exodus could also do the same thing and show how Exodus has helped so many people.
Here’s what I don’t understand: I would never download a gay app because I’m not interested in it. I find many of those gay apps disrespectful to my moral right to not have promescuity promoted. Why can’t people who don’t like the Exodus app do the same?
You are confusing apps which are anti-something with apps that are pro-something. I doubt Apple would publish an app which promoted the idea that being straight, or not at least trying a gay experience, was an immoral choice. If you can find such an app I will stand corrected.
You are also confusing people who are often discriminated against legally and socially petitioning for respect, with people who are not often (certainly no where near as much, i.e. Christians) discriminated against, loudly promoting discrimination (as apposed to promoting their religion) while interfering with other people’s peace.
Finally, you are confusing what is legal, which apparently both cases are, with what Apple should do, which it is well within its rights to decide.
It’s quite evident that you have never downloaded the app. It’s also quite evident you didn’t understand anything about my comment.
Just like I’m not into gay apps, and therefore I won’t download it, if you’re not into exploring the possibility of changing your orientation, DON’T DOWNLOAD IT. How hard is this to understand?
You are correct, “don’t download what you don’t want to see” is a sensible and productive philosophy. If Apple had decided to keep the app up, I would say the same thing to anyone spoiling their own happiness by worrying about it.
But there is also nothing wrong with Apple canceling their active support for marketing and distribution an app that purports to help solve someone’s “problem” of homosexuality, or an app that “helps” black people overcome their “bad” genes, or “assists” indians in not being “backward natives”, etc. These are not just offensive, they are overtly discriminatory and scientifically untenable views even if they are sincerely held by some ignorant people, even on occasion people who are the targets.
If this were the government enforcing a standard of speech it would be a different matter, although discrimination often crosses the line from free speech to a violation of people’s right to equality, but we are talking about what Apple choses to promote with their resources or not. Not lending their resources to this kind of nonsense makes sense and the world a better place. Let people believe nonsense on their own dime, or promote it with their own websites or other distribution, not Apple’s.
“I doubt Apple would publish an app which promoted the idea that being straight, or not at least trying a gay experience, was an immoral choice. If you can find such an app I will stand corrected.”
There is a Bible app. You have been corrected.
The bible also tells stories of incest.. Adam and eve had two sons, how did procreation continue.. Mom was the only woman around.
Leviticus says Homosexual sex is an abomination. Levitcus also says eating shrimp, crab and lobster is an abomination.
Shaving is an abomination, having sex with a woman on a period is an abomination..
The bible is as flawed as the men who wrote and interpreted it. Whether you choose to follow the bible or not is up to you. But it’s not a reliable or relevant source for this topic.
Sigh,
The Bible says it is immoral not to try the gay experience? You have lost me…. (I think you misread what I wrote?)
The gay agenda is equality and equity. Nice talking point, but it doesn’t sell to anyone informed on the issue.
I’m gay, but I never go the memo with the “agenda.” Could someone email me a copy?
Woody… average life span for a homosexual is 50 years. Good luck with that. You guys die of diseases [33 various types to be exact]… no wonder there’s no such thing as a “gay retirement community” hahahah
You have a cite for that?
Ever been to Palm Springs, CA.?
A lot of minorities suffer from bad health stats. And many human behaviors with a genetic/developmental aspect have an impact on health and longevity. Aside from being hateful what is your point?
Sad day when Apple gets pushed around by those who would label this with differing opinions as hateful when any unbiased viewer would find no sign of hate. Sad
Yeah, proclaiming that homosexuality is an immoral sin against God. No sign of hate there what so ever. Not even an inkling.
The gays need to stop whining and just suck it up.
so should the blacks.
I’ve met people who have been gay but are now straight. I’ve never met a black person who is an ex-black, except Michael Jackson, but I’ve never met him. Stop comparing gays to african americans.
The fundamentalist Christians who have been at war with equality and equity for GLBT people for 30 years or more need to step back, chill out and remember that they live in a democracy- not a theocracy.
Actually we live in a Republic
Yes, you are correct sir. And I am the Republican that defeated the slave loving Democrats.
YOU MUST GO TO THIS SITE FOR THE CORRECTION OF THE REVISIONIST HISTORY OF THE MARXIST LEFT.
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Democrats+Owe+Blacks+an+Apology
Hee heee, you said “suck”
Yeah, GAYS. Just take your abuse and shut up so that all the freedom-loving Christians can rule this country and legislate their open hatred of you.
Way to go, Apple!! There is no room for hate and intolerance in the App Store!
Well, there’s certainly room for censorship and silencing of ideas that aren’t so militantly backed. Which is intolerance, by the way.
Apple is a private company. They are free to censor all they want when anything is deemed harmful or disrespectful to a group of people.
No- Apple is a publicly traded company owned by it’s shareholders, of which I am one. The app should have never been approved.
I’m also an Apple shareholder. Maybe I should start pushing to get rid of the gay apps too, because it offends me. hmmm….
Your logic is exactly right, and I agree with you. But logic, fairness and real diversity do not truly exist in the dictatorial world of political correctness.
Yes–Apple is *not* a government agency, so it can censor to its heart’s content. As long as the government isn’t involved, it’s not censorship, it’s editorial discretion.
You are using the word “militant” in a very misleading sense. Apple has the right to choose what apps it publishes, and to respond to customer complaints as they see fit. Gay rights advocates have the right to petition, like anyone else.
This is not censorship it is freedom expression which is just as important. People have the right to NOT promote or be associated with views of others as they choose.
Apparently there’s no room for freedom of choice either. Nobody is forced to download the app. This is pandering by Apple, pure and simple. Best thing for someone who wants the app to do is to jailbreak the phone and download it from elsewhere.
So sad, so very sad that Apple caved to peer pressure. If some doesn’t like a particular app don’t buy it. The app didn’t advocate violence or immorality. What ever happened to tolerance? It seems that the gay community is the most intolerant group in the country and Apple fell to their pressure to gain what? What end does Apple hope to gain? This is a very sad day. Everyone looses regardless of your view on being gay.
No objectionable content? We beg to differ. Exodus’ message is hateful and bigoted. They claim to offer “freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ” and use scare tactics, misinformation, stereotypes and distortions of LGBT life to recruit clients. They endorse the use of so-called “reparative therapy” to “change” the sexual orientation of their clients, despite the fact that this form of “therapy” has been rejected by every major professional medical organization including the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association. But reparative therapy isn’t just bad medicine — it’s also very damaging to the self-esteem and mental health of its victims.
Oh horsepoop. Tell that to 5 friends of mine (2 men, 3 women) who over the course of time became straight. They didn’t see engaging in homosexuality as being consistent with their values, and they believed that heterosexuality was *gasp* superior and preferable.
You sound like one of those idiots from exgaywatch.
you can’t “change” homosexuality. you can accept to live with repressed feelings, but that’s not changing anything, it’s repression.
No offense, but I will trust in the words of my friends over you, since it’s obvious you can’t accept anything that doesn’t fit within your paradigm.
I also have friends that are gay and they tell me their sexual preference is NOT a choice. So:
“No offense, but I will trust in the words of my friends over you, since it’s obvious you can’t accept anything that doesn’t fit within your paradigm.”
Right back at ‘cha bud.
I love how Georgia Bill cancels his replies to cut off any chance of anyone upending his weak arguments. What a manly man.
No offense taken.
Believe what you want. I know from personal truth. I did not choose to be gay, I did not learn to be gay. I am gay..
You cannot not choose or learn to be attracted to someone. It is instinct, it is inherent..
The only “choice” is whether to embrace or repress those natural instincts.
Funny, I didn’t realize I was cutting off comments. I can’t reply directly to your comment, so did you cut off replies too? Amazing how you accuse me of cutting off comments, and yet you still found a way to reply. So go ahead and try to “upend” my “weak arguments” you silly, silly person
Not only can it be done, it’s been done, and no number of agenda-pushers saying otherwise proves those people who’ve done it are liars. How arrogant, how insulting you are to those people. Why, that’s downright *intolerant* of you.
Yeah, of course it can be done! Just ask two of Exodus Internation’s very own co-founders, Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper!
Not only did they cure their gayness through the power of The Lord, they married two nice girls, and of course helped set up Exodus to cure other gays just like them.
Then in the late 70’s they become lovers, divorced their wives, and ran away together. See? It totally wor… Oh, wait.
Sorry, but Wil doesn’t have 5 friends who became straight. He has five friends who either lie to him or themselves.
The organization tells young LGBT people that they are wrong to be who they are, loads them with guilt, pressures them in a closed environment and turns them into guilt ridden, repressed, self-loathing individuals. Really loving and kind- isn’t it?
BTW- the most intolerant group in America today are easily the fundamentalists within the evangelical christian church. I grew up in it and know of what I speak.
Well, they believe homosexuality is a perversion, so… yeah. Nothing hateful about helping others stop being perverted. Disagree with the premise if you want, but calling them hateful for believing that relies on a circular argument.
So, are the Apple Inc. Hypocrites going to pull all of the apps promoting the “gay lifestyle” that they have polluting their app store?
Not with Tim Cook in charge, that’s for sure.
Homosexuals: The most intolerant things on earth that never stop screaming for tolerance. I wonder if these horrible frauds will ever fathom their total hypocrisy?
We will not. No.
You have confused not promoting negative views of being gay with promotion of being gay.
I doubt very much that Apple would publish an app that promoted that being straight or not having had a gay experience was wrong and needed to be corrected.
That would hypocritical.
The App Store has many Bible apps whose text certainly fall under “promoting negative views of being gay.” Abomination is pretty negative, I’d say.
Hypocritical is a Baptist Minister in Alabama who ranted against homosexuality and served in The Moral Majority being found dead in 2 rubber suits hanging from a rope with a dildo in his rectum. Funny how that never got on CBN or Faux Newz Channel.
So, you are saying that wearing rubber suits and a dildo in the rectum is homosexual? Only if the dildo was attached to a dude. I have a few dildos and Im not gay. Maybe this was a murder set up to discredit the guy????
I guess that depends on what we are expected to be tolerant of. We will certainly never be tolerant of the injuring of other homosexuals. That is what the Ex-Gay scam does.
Why can’t we just have an anti gay and anti christian app and let the two cancel each other out?
…or is apple gay?
Tim Cook, the man in charge of Apple right now is gay. yes.
Remember the rainbow Apple logo???? Coincidence????? Discuss
Its such a sticky situation because alot of christians flat out believe being gay is wrong and thats written in their scriptures and then you have a gay population how do u allow freedom of religion and silence its beliefs you cant but at the same time no group wants to feel like their is a prejudice against them. This is complicated its not like if their is a racist app because racism isnt really a topic in the bible so of course if a racist app came out its only logical it be banned but a app that is supporting its beliefs in condemning a sexual orientation thats different. I honestly wouldnt know what to do if i was on the deciding board for apps. I my self am gay and dont like the idea of that app but its in a religions beliefs how can i really alter a religion worshiped by millions. I just wont download it but the fact that it sits their others are free to download it and allow its message to begin to stir up ideas but you can only hope that ppl are not influenced by its message.
The people who really believe the bible speaks out against homosexuality are taking it completely out of context. They pick and choose scriptures to fit their brainwashed mentality.
Uh no. 100% incorrect. Actually it’s the other way around. Gay apologists the Bible “completely out of context. They pick and choose scriptures to fit their brainwashed mentality.” We have had the same stance on homosexuality for about, oh, 5000 years.
Let me correct that for you:
“We have had the same brainwashed stance on homosexuality for about, oh, 5000 years”.
There, it’s fixed now.
The stupidest rabbi back then would still be wiser than you are now.
Yeah, because religion’s always been right, huh? I was also very heavily involved with religion… Until I reached the age of Reason (r.i.p. George Carlin. You are sorely missed!).
and I see it’s clearly working to save people.
Would that be the same Book of Old Jewish Fairy Tales (thanks Bill Maher) that describes talking animals, rivers turning to blood, the sun standing still, 900 year old men, people being raised from the dead by other humans? Uh-Huh.
Im not sure who this mythical “we” is you speak of. It certainly isn’t christians. They have not been around that long. Nor is it most peoples of the globe that have had many more tolerant cultures in 5000 years. So tell me, who has had this “same stance on homosexuality for 5000 years”? I bet it’s a “wide” stance tho.
Leviticus 12:13, King James Bible:
“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.”
…sounds pretty anti-homosexual to me.
oops, 20:13, sorry.
My God doesn’t have any particular hatred against anyone. Matter of fact, my God loves everyone equally, and doesn’t think that anyone is an abomination because of who they are attracted to. My God thinks the God of Leviticus is a small-minded, mean-spirited asshole.
Since that’s my religious opinion, it’s equally as valid as yours.
Unfortunately your god who loves everthing you want him to love is not the biblical God…the Real God says that He says he is angry with the wicked every day Psalm 7:11
Also He loved Jacob, but Esau he hated…
I’m sorry, please try again when you find the real God.
Hey, BibleView: Your “real God” doesn’t exist. Thank God I live in a country that respects my position and doesn’t force me to belong to a religion in which I don’t believe. Why should I have to follow your lifestyle and morals when I don’t believe in them?
Thank God I live in a tolerant country where anyone can put up an app *even one that others might disagree with*, without being censored… oh wait… nevermind…
written in a time when they believed that the way youth become fertile is by ingesting an adult males semen. during these fertility rituals older men would force young boys to have sex with them.
What are you talking about????? Maybe you were sleeping in your anthropology class.I know I was, but I believe what you are describing is the practiced in the tribes of New Guinea.
I’m sure you also don’t wear clothes made of mixed fabrics (cotton, polyester, etc), and I’m also sure you don’t eat cheeseburgers (mixing meat and milk), and I’m sure you also don’t do the other things that are preached against in the book of Leviticus.
@botvinnik
Dude, you really don’t want to start quoting the Bible to justify your argument.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father; or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, “This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
TRUE: leviticus DOES says that homosexuality is an abomination.
LEVITICUS also says eating shellfish is an abomination. Shaving is an abomination. Sexual intercouse with a woman on her period is an abomination.
If you believe in the scripture of Leviticus, then you believe that anyone who has ever enjoyed shrimp cocktail is going to burn in hell.
Hi Mike,
You are terribly off the mark with all of this Leviticus stuff. Way off. Don’t you get the fact that Jesus (The New Testament) was a sin offering for all eternity? He came in the flesh to put an end to sin and ABOMINATION and to the excessive legalism of the Old Testament as fortold. In Jesus we become a 100% new creation. The New Testament at its very essence OFFERS ALL HUMANKIND A WAY OUT FROM OUR SIN NATURE (The ONLY way out). You MUST however read Paul’s historic letters to the Romans at the time their culture was in its last days and homosexuality among other self-destructive sins was rampant. In the book of Romans Paul explains that God DOES NOT DESTROY THE HOMOSEXUAL the homosexual by denying the truth of God removes him/herself from the grace and protection of God. GOD GIVES THE HOMOSEXUAL OVER TO HIMSELF/HERSELF. THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION!!! Translation for the slow of mind: The sinner brings destruction upon themselves. The ONLY sin that Jesus will not pardon is APOSTASY. (denying the sovereignty of God). That is the sin of homosexuality, exchanging the truth of god for a lie and thinking of themselves as being wise in their own eyes. I strongly urge you to read this historic account of the fall of Rome. It is THE homosexual life changer in the New Testament. There is a way out and it is life everlasting. May you find it. God is good and He loves you and His MERCY TRIUMPHS OVER JUDGEMENT.
“Romans 1
Greeting
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Desire to Visit Rome
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers, 10 making request if, by some means, now at last I may find a way in the will of God to come to you. 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift, so that you may be established— 12 that is, that I may be encouraged together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.
13 Now I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that I often planned to come to you (but was hindered until now), that I might have some fruit among you also, just as among the other Gentiles. 14 I am a debtor both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to wise and to unwise. 15 So, as much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also.
The Just Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”[b]
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.–Romans 1:1-32 CHOOSE LIFE!
Thanks for lumping all us gays together. I know you Christians really appreciate the same courtesy. To clarify, being intolerant of hate is not intolerance, it’s called self-respect. Is a battered wife being intolerant when she leaves her abusing husband. You might be interested to know that Exodus has willfully distorted the findings of many psychologists and presented their research inaccurately to promote their agenda. And as for biblical truth, get back to me when no one’s getting divorced, eating shrimp, wearing cotton-wool blends, or having their period.
Except for that there was no hate in the app. You’ve obviously never seen it.
I’d say using misinformation and distortion to prey on the gullible while promoting ideas refuted by the APA is hateful. I personally know someone effected by Exodus, distorting their truth because of societal judgements and self-hatred.
“Hateful”. Please, let us ban this word as it being the most overused, yet completely useless, vague adjective, used to not promote discussion but to encourage character assassination.
Try Googling “Robert Spitzer” the man who helped declassify homosexuality as a mental illness in the 1970s, who now says there is evidence that some people can changer their sexual orientation.
I don’t think semantics is the main purpose of the debate here. But fine, let’s exclude the word “hate.” It does not change the fact that Exodus and similar ministries have an agenda and tactics that are questionable. If you misrepresent the work of others you should be held accountable.
Gay youth, already an at-risk group due to societal intolerance, is a target for hucksters like these, promoting that they “pray the gay away” and that they ARE NOT FINE THE WAY THEY ARE, they can transform through the power of Jesus Christ.
As for Robert Spitzer, you are correct. Sexual orientation is a continuum and can evolve for some people. BUT Mr. Spitzer does not express that those who are homosexual can change or SHOULD change because they are not at their best the way they are. You can see how easy it is to distort his work for an agenda, eh?
MacBill, who exactly is spewing hate and intolerance? The community that will not tolerate another opinion. that’s who.
Tolerance and freedom of speech go both ways, otherwise it does not exist in reality. Gays need to be tolerant and accept the right of freedom of speech of those who do not agree with the gay lifestyle. Who is logical enough to see that the gay movement is one of the most intolerant sectors of society.
I second that. If there are impressionable gay people out there who have found this app and think they can be “normal” when they already are normal, I hope they come to the realization that you cannot ” pray the gay away”.
You opinion does not negate actual cases where people did and continue to do just that.
Being gay isn’t a lifestyle. I tried for years to be straight and it was not happening. The problem is people who feel that gays choose to love the same sex and are all sex-obsessed hetero-phobes. We are not intolerant, we are just upset and frustrated that because of religion, something that should have no bearing on laws, is the one thing keeping us from having the same rights as you. gays aren’t asking for anything special. We just want to be able to have ALL of the same rights straight couples have and civil unions don’t give us those. I find it funny that when the African American community was seeking civil rights and to be treated equal people said the same thing you said. How sad.
Thank you, your are exactly right.
Oh give me a break… you gays have EXACTLY the same rights as everyone else.
*I* have the right to marry any woman that will say yes to my proposal.
*You* have the right to marry any woman that will say yes to your proposal.
*I* do not have the right to marry another man.
*You* do not have the right to marry another man.
You are already being treated 100% equally under the law.
Is that all you’re looking for in a wife, a woman who will say yes? What about mutual attraction and love?
Is that how you’re going to present your wife?
“Here is the woman who said yes to my proposal.”
Instead of:
“Here is the woman I love.”
Damn, I’ll feel sorry for your wife, if you can find one.
*You* have the legal right to marry a member of the sex you’re attracted to.
*Gays* don’t.
So yeah, totally the same. Duh.
Let me see if I have this right… If you’re intolerant of something, you speak out against it. “Gays need to be more tolerant and accept free speech of those who do not agree with the gay lifestyle”. So what you’re essentially saying is: “Gays need to be tolerant of the intolerance of the anti-gays.” But you start with saying “tolerance and freedom of speech go both ways”. Am I the only one seeing the fallacy of this logic?
“Your request could not be completed.” – surrounded by gay iPhone and iPad apps.
Jesus this is just as bad as yanking the pro-Christian app. I mean come on Apple, Jesus H Fracking Christ, let those gay bastards go poke themselves in the butt for all I care but why pull an app for expressing a preference for being straight?
What next? Banning an app that advocates frizzy hair for a certain segment of the population?
this app wasn’t an app for straight people who prefer being straight. it was straight people (or gays who hate themselves) who thing everyone else should be straight also.
Well, as a white man, I think everyone else should be white too. And everyone who isn’t should shut up.
Thousands have left the gay lifestyle behind and the gay community does not want anyone to know this. Therefore they must silence ministries that help people leave the gay lifestyle. If people can become ex-gay, then their whole argument about being born that way is mute.
Exodus is dangerous in that it presents the truth. The gay community is not interested in the truth, so they surround themselves with people who tolerate or support their lifestyle.
The message of Exodus is that you don’t have to be gay. There is a way out. Many need to hear that message. The militants in the gay community will do anything to silence that message.
Dude, seriously, its MOOT note MUTE.
@loganson:
Paragraph 1: Wrong
Paragraph 2: Wrong
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The very premise of “curing” LGBT people means they think it’s a sickness. The American Psychological Association and other such bodies removed that from their list of disorders a very long time ago. Just because Exodus presents its program as compassionate does not mean it is. The very attitude of thinking they have to “cure” and “help” homosexuals is condescending and patronizing to begin with.
Exodus does nothing more than to teach people to internalize hatred towards themselves, not become “cured”. It would be interesting to do psychological, psychiatric and health studies of these people after a few decades of supposedly becoming “straight” to see what the real (and damaging) effects of this program really are.
The problem is not that people are LGBT; the problem is the bigotry directed at them. Exodus simply exacerbates and perpetuates this bigotry.
“If people can become ex-gay, then their whole argument about being born that way is mute…”
Or vice-versa. Which is exactly why the debunked pseudoscience of Exodus should not be promoted. Exodus’ assertion that gays can change their sexuality has been deemed invalid by real science. With their argument rendered mute, Exodus’ bigotry becomes clearly apparent.
Why would anyone download this app? I have not seen it, nor do I think most of the people in this discussion have either. But I do think that if it does not promote hate or violate the rules of the site, it should have remained. Would a straight person download it? Nope? Would an openly gay person who is proud download it? Nope. Would someone who is sitting on the fence download it? Sure. So why not allow them to make a choice about their sexual direction and have the options to choose how to handle their sexual preference as they see fit. It appears that the LGBT side wants every person who has ever “experimented” or questioned their preference, to embrace homosexuality. I have seen many people go through this time in their life when they are questioning who they really are, and if the person chooses to find help, then why not offer options. As you say, people cannot change their sexuality, but they can seek advice if they are questioning. There are those who might explore “tendencies” but does that really make them gay all the way? I once went to a rap concert. Does that make me a gangsta?
@Loganson:
The fact of the matter is, LGBT people are still persecuted, even in the United States, even today in the 21st century. Speaking up in defence of their rights is not talking filth and nonsense; it is speaking up in defence of their rights, and it is a response to centuries of persecution, exclusion and invisibility.
Free speech comes with responsibility; you can’t just say hateful things about people in a public way. Saying hateful things about people is not free speech, it is hateful speech. There are many court cases that define the limits of free speech. And yes, Exodus’ premise towards homosexuality is intolerance – otherwise, why would they want to try to “rid” people of it? They state very clearly that they think it’s undesirable. And the language they use (describing their program as a “cure”) betrays their belief that homosexuality is a disease. They say that they do not hate homosexuals, that they want to help them, but this attitude is condescending and patronizing and is rooted in a belief that homosexuals SHOULD be cured, as opposed to accepted. They cloak this intolerance in a message of “love” and caring, but it’s really not, when you look at their basic premise. Telling someone to become invisible because it’s uncomfortable for others is not showing tolerance or compassion. The problem is not that LGBT people exist; it’s the prejudice that people direct against them in so many ways, subtle and blunt. So apply some critical thinking and really examine what they are saying by their choice of words and their attitudes. It’s really not hard to see their hostility towards homosexuals.
And furthermore, the American Psychological Association removed homosexuality from its list of disorders decades ago. So Exodus (and the user Hypocrisy Alert-the first comment to this MDN article) are living in a different time, still believing that homosexuality is an illness, or that it is equated with things like pedophilia (of which about 95% of the cases are committed by heterosexual men, by the way), zoophiles, necrophiles, etc. It is not, and this has been abundantly proven and declared by bodies such as the APA and others like it. It’s time for you guys to update your thinking and get out of the 1950s!
It is not spewing filth and nonsense to defend your rights. The problem here is not that LGBT people have spoken up in defence of their rights; the problem is the hateful attitudes they have to contend with in the first place. If they were accepted rather than singled out for mistreatment, treated like they were suffering from a sickness, told to be invisible, etc. then they wouldn’t need to be defending their rights, would they? This is akin to beating someone up and then punishing them for telling you to stop beating them up.
The declassifcation of homosexuality from the DSM was highly political decision during the height the early gay power movment.
Dr. Robert Spitzer, who helped declassify homosexuality as a mental illness back in the 1970’s, recently did a premlinary study after talking to some ex-gays, in the early 2000s. He now said that there is evidence that some people can change their sexual orientation.
I’ll say it again, Mr. Spitzer findings are not equivalent to the message of Exodus. Sexuality can change BUT he has never stated that if you DON’T change your are living incorrectly or are “less than.” The premise of Exodus is that you can be healed and, to be healed, they therefore think you are sick. This is horrible messaging and scientifically disproven decades ago.
This is correct, Dr. Spitzer never put a value judgement on it. However, I think in America one has the right to self-determination, that if one truly wants to try to make changes in one’s, for whatever reason, they shouldn’t be denied access to information to do so. And since Exodus is a Christian organization, they believe that heterosexuality, however imperfect and messy it can be, is the best possible arrangement for human sexuality. That’s their value judgement; you would probably disagree. But to pull the app because of such weak criticism smacks of cowardice from Apple.
In the end, as I have stated above, I know 5 people who worked hard on making these changes, and are HAPPIER for it. Who are you, or Apple, to deny someone this possibility?
The outpouring of ignorance on these threads is totally stunning. How do you people lead a high-tech lifestyle with such hillbilly world views?
Good on Apple for doing the right thing. People who advocate sexual self-repression or long term behaviour modification for the sake of satisfying stupid old superstitions do not deserve to peddle their crap on the App Store.
amen brother! It’s like listening to 8 year olds fight. I can’t believe these people think they are adults.
I think we all practice sexual self-repression in one way or another, or at least most of us. You might not. I mean, who wouldn’t want to go bang everything in sight?? I would, but I don’t. You call it self-repression, I call it moderation.
And what do you have against hillbillies? You sound like a cosmopolitan racist yourself.
“Hillbilly world-views”? “high-tech lifestyle” ?
Dude…. or dudette…You can keep your “frothy mix of lube and fecal matter”. I guess that’s pretty high-tech huh? What about Obama’s school czar with his “FISTING classes” given to young high school kids? Yeah…. I don’t see ANY promotion of this lifestyle anywhere. Dash seems to think you have to have lube and brown froth coming out of your anus in order to be considered as living a “high-tech” lifestyle. I’ll stick with “low-tech” I guess.
Disgusting.
Being gross doesn’t make you right, I’m afraid.
I read a lot of accusations that the app promoted hatred, violence and intolerance, but saw no proof at all. No demonstrable evidence was presented. Disagreeing with someone’s opinion does not constitute hatred or intolerance. And feeling that someone’s actions or condition needs changed and providing a forum for them to find support and info is not violence. They were not promoting the forced alteration od anyone’s lifestyle.
Planned parenthood does something similar. They promote the alteration of a pregnant woman’s condition to prematurely non-pregnant. Do they have an app? Alcoholics Anonymous provides a place for An adult who purchases a legal substance (beer) and gets wasted by choice to find support and information to change his life should he choose.
That’s really all that Exodus is. And no one proced otherwise, just made allegations and accusations, signed a petition, and evoked a knee-jerk reaction to grease the squeaky wheel.
Shame.
So, what app can we get pulled next? I think Angry Birds is offensive to a large portion of the population. All the pig lovers are an emotional wreck over it.
BAN ANGRY BIRDS!!!!
I love how most Americans think it is all or nothing. Grey areas don’t exist in nature or don’t exist in economics? Which is it, because they probably exist in both. Its a lot more involved then simply apple pulling out a app because they think it is offensive. And all the reasons might not be pure reasons or they might be.
And as for this argument on homosexuality. We have not done enough research to figure out to how homosexuality occurs biologically. So, in that case we should treat everyone with dignity and respect. And even if we did figure out the causality of homosexuality, would we still want to demoralize people if they are? Just ask yourself this, are you any different than the kid in the sandbox that sees someone that isn’t like him and picks at him with his words or fists?
Great, now Apple is owned by LGBT groups. Apple, I am severely disappointed at your absolute bias and hypocrisy. Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame on you.
Apple, you claim to be tolerant….why not ACTUALLY live that out and let people sort it out for themselves? Did it ever occur to you that active homosexuals simply DO NOT HAVE TO BUY the app by Exodus International? Perhaps I’ll donate to their Godly efforts.
SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME on Apple.
Justin
“Great, now Apple is owned by LBGT groups.”
Easy now, Chicken Little. The sky isn’t falling. Love how you jump to the most extreme conclusions though. Very amusing =)
If people are looking to be delivered from homosexuality, pulling the app won’t stop them from finding ways to do it. Not to mention they can use safari to just go to the web site. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Just use safari.
I so wish everyone could get their head around God’s amazing and sacrificial love for his children. If that was fully understood, none of this would be an issue to debate.
John 3:16,19
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Love your work in South Park dude.
Timmy!
Not me. Try again
And for us who don’t believe that myth? What then?
In a pluralistic society, no legal group should be able to promote laws to lessen the political access of another.
I agree. If people realized that it isn’t their job to fix people, it’s Gods, and if they could just love people the way Christ taught us, they’d see that none of these things really matter. God does the judging, not me.
Too bad most Christians aren’t as open-minded as you are. Thank you for being thoughtful and fair. A breath of fresh air, really.
Actually there are a fair number of Christian verses that teach that Christians are to teach repentance and admonish repentance to others in the world. You are, again, sadly mistaken.
Right! Matt 4:17, Mark 1:15, Mark 6:12, Luke 13:3.
Tell you what: the day you can prove that the Christian God exists, I’ll start following Christ. Until then, this is America, so let us live our lives without persecution.
Rom 1:20 God’s eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all he has made. That’s why those people don’t have any excuse.
To paraphrase Henry Ford–“You can have any world view you want, as long as it’s the same as mine.”
I’d like to go read what the app was all about so I could form my own opinion and respond to the issues it raised but unfortunately, I can’t do that now…that “book” has been burned in the fires of intolerance, bigotry, and fear.
Sounds like you already have an opinion.
My opinion is that I wasn’t allowed to form an opinion about the material. I’m being “protected” from it because it supposedly has “hate speech”. There’s violence, bigotry, hatred, intolerance, hate speech, and fear on both sides of this issue. With the app no longer available, I can’t really form an opinion about the material itself. (I suppose I could contact Exodus International to request to see the app’s content.) Some on this forum (and other forums about this issue) are saying it wasn’t hate speech at all. Some are saying it’s the epitome of hate speech, homophobia, bigotry, and intolerance. Who am I to believe? The one who shouts the loudest? The one who is professes to be a Christian? The one who tells us he/she has been cured of Christianity? The one who tells us he/she has been cured of homosexuality? The gay-rights spokesperson? The one who wrote the app? The scholar? The lawyer? The one who quotes the Bible? The one who quotes the Koran? The one who quotes Supreme Court rulings? Those who run the App Store who decided, after all, that it did contain hate speech? I can’t read the material now, so I can’t enter into the debate about it. All I can see is the rancor from both sides.
My father was a WWII vet. He used to say, “I may disagree with what you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” I think the “Greatest Generation” had it right. I’m not sure we still have it.
+1
Far too many people these days say they value free speech, while gleefully limiting the free speech of those who disagree with them. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and I’m very much afraid we’re losing that vigilance more and more every day.
Just so you know, Apple is not the government; they are a private entity, and they can choose who gets to sell and what they get to sell through their App Store. Their decision to remove the Exodus App is well within their rights, and it only closes a single avenue for Exodus to push their message through. Exodus still has the right to express their message in any other way allowed under the law. This is not a “free speech” issue.
The Westboro Baptist Church being allowed to protest funerals is a “free speech” issue. While I disagree with the WBC’s message, I do agree with the Supreme Court that as long they are protesting within the limits of the law, they should damn well be allowed to do so.
There is a big difference between the WBC’s case and Exodus’ case. If you can’t see it, then you have my pity.
It is within their right to do so, and it’s certainly not a free speech issue, as you’ve accurately pointed out. However, the removal of this app is pandering to a relatively small percentage of the population who claim to be offended by something they’re not forced to look at. The app doesn’t come as a standard install on the iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch. Let the consumer decide.
My regret today is that I didn’t download it yesterday and put it on a host for anyone to obtain.
The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of disorders for the same reason that Apple removed the app – political pressure and intimidation.
And for the APA it was certainly a militant experience – especially when members cars were rocked and their voting records released. Meetings were interrupted, microphones grabbed. There was a whole lot of stuff going on.
Barbara Gittings brags, “That’s how far we’ve come in ten years. Now we even have the American Psychiatric Association running scared.” (Gay American History, by Jonathan Ned Katz, 1992, p.427. This interview was taped July 19, 1974).
There was no research paper that was done or clinical trials done that made for a scientific change in their stance.
If someone struggles with their sexual orientation and wants to change, they should have that option and choice in life. If others do not, well, they are free to live as well.
The language of Exodus does not promote hatred against gays or violence to them. It does not strip them of their human dignity. It does present a different view on homosexuality and in America, we have the right to our own ideas and their expression.
As for the LBGT community, how is forcing people who are uncomfortable with their orientation morally superior?
“If someone struggles with their sexual orientation and wants to change, they should have that option and choice in life.”
Look what happens to people who try to hide the fact that they are gay: their closeted shame turns to hatred for themselves and other gay people. They try to fight who they are by forcing themselves to believe that being gay is a “choice”; to the hardcore believers of this idea, being gay is as simple as flicking on a switch, and they think anyone else can make that choice. When they can no longer bear the weight of hiding who they are or they are discovered and “outed”, their shame increases tenfold.
The end result is never pretty. Just ask the parents of all the gay teenagers who have committed suicide over the past few months. (Or are you celebrating their deaths?)
Being gay is nothing anyone should be ashamed of, and indeed, your narrow-minded way of thinking ensures that people will continue to be ashamed of it. You should be more open and accepting of people as they are, instead of wanting them to change to fit your specific view of reality. We do not have to conform to a single person or group’s world view, and that includes Exodus.
Apple had every right to pull the app; they are a private organization, and they can choose what is and isn’t sold through their app store. Exodus has not suddenly lost the right to speak their mind and spread their odious message in any way they see fit—they have simply lost an avenue with which to do so. If they don’t like it, that’s their tough luck.
Being gay is something to be ashamed of. It is a deviant lifestyle. There is little commitment and a lot of promiscuity involved with the majority of relationships and the lifestyle often leads to depression and at worst, suicide.
Are you speaking from personal experience? Or are you parroting the Moral Right? Your answer will determine your credibility.
Jason Bummstein = An Idiot and a TOAD! (Toad definition: general derogatory term used to denote a stupid, foolish, rude, or otherwise undesirable individual)
“There is little commitment and a lot of promiscuity involved with the majority of relationships…”
You have absolutely no clue. I know of more LGBT committed monogamous relationship lasting 30 years or more than I do have friends in heterosexual relationships lasting 1 year. Nearly all the hetero-relations ended up in divorce. And why? Promiscuous Cheaters! Asshat.
“the lifestyle often leads to depression and at worst, suicide.”
And why is this? Because the evangelical-bible-thumping Christians tell them “there is a cure”, “their lifestyle is undesirable.” Basically telling them “something is wrong with you – get help.”
Just what if… all us atheists out there start telling you and all your Christian homophobes that “praying and believing that there’s this invisible man in the sky who determines your fate when you take your last breath is demented. There is a cure. Your lifestyle is causing harm to others and is undesirable. Get help.” Perhaps get locked up in a mental ward with white cushioned walls, straight jackets and a lobotomy.
Wow. You’re such a nasty individual. You don’t really know anything about Christianity, do you? Christians don’t point out homosexuality as a special sin. We believe that every sinful tendency is “undesirable” and necessitates a “cure”. That goes for you, too, regardless of whatever sexual preference you have. That goes for *everybody* on this green earth, including me. That’s *why* Jesus came..that’s *why* there is such a thing as Christianity to begin with. Seriously, you want to argue with a Christian about their beliefs, do yourself a favour and *learn* more about it, because otherwise you are wasting your time.
I believe that I have sinful tendencies. So, why is it that I don’t feel suicidal? I don’t feel as if I’m crazy. I don’t feel like I’m a worthless human being. That’s because I believe the Son of God died on my behalf. Obviously, if He loved me and every homosexually oriented person enough to DIE for their sins, then obviously they are not worthless and they shouldn’t commit suicide. If they have ever felt like that, that originates from the Father of Lies..and you are perpetuating that lie by implying that they either have to accept their sinful tendencies or hate themselves. Well, you know what? I and any other loving sensible person rejects that false dichotomy that you imply. I believe that homosexual behaviour is sin, just as I believe stealing, fornication, murder, bestiality, adultery, gossip, lying, unforgiveness, hatefulness, and being disrespectful to one’s parents are also sins! That doesn’t mean I believe that people who are inclined in any of those ways should be hated, because God loved them enough to die for them. He loved me enough to die for me in SPITE of my sinful tendencies (which are different from the one we are discussing). Who would I be to dispute with God that somebody’s sins makes them so worthless? Obviously, I would be just as arrogant as you!
So, you know what? You can go shove it with your smears and your lies.
Having a sinful nature means that there’s something wrong with all of us, but because we are created in His image..we are all of value as human beings. If that doesn’t make sense to you, then respectfully, it says a lot more about you than it does about the “evil fundies”.
Maybe it would be better off that you do accept their sinful tendency, because God help them and you if you can’t love them despite it! You wouldn’t be able to love yourself, because I’m sure there are a lot of bad things you’ve done, and a lot of temptations you’ve fallen sway to.
Welcome to the human race.
Great strawman argument. I always love the lovey dovie hippy Jesus picture.
I enjoyed the stereo-typical talking points as taken from today’s feel good love everyone new age doubletalk as found in the pages of the recent “new” interpetations of the Bible.
Typical liberal Christian idology (pun intended).
Actually the book says talk to your wayward brother giving him a chance to change his ways, if he doesn’t change…. walk away from him. Speaking of the good book,
Can you spell abomination?
Who was that angry man with the whip chasing the money changers from the Temple?
One day, each will give an accounting for having changed the words in that good book.
There are Eyes that never sleep.
Let’s see now… You call Regular Reader nasty, accuse him of helping Satan, call him arrogant, and tell him to shove it. Yeah, people don’t get much more “loving and sensible then you, do they?
Sigh.
Another fake Christian.
Did you think if you buried the insults and passive aggressive digs undearneath a mountain of flowery talk about God’s infinite forgiveness and how “loving and sensible” you are, it’d just fly under the radar?
Funny, I had a feeling that one would get ’em to show some “true colors” = hypocrit.
First off, Sarah, your reading comprehension skills are severly lacking. I don’t think sins make anyone worthless. Jason Bummstein said something to that effect. And that is why I replied – TO HIM.
As far as you go: Bottom line is this: I do NOT think homosexuality is a sin. Period.
Therefore, your statement: “Maybe it would be better off that you do accept their sinful tendency, because God help them and you if you can’t love them despite it!” shows again how reading comprehension skills just do not exist for you.
I do accept their tendency (notice how I left off “sinful.”)
I believe in monogomous, caring, loving, respectful, partnerships whether it be man/woman, woman/woman, man/man — bottom line — HUMAN/HUMAN. Just cause you aren’t “married” through the eyes of a “church” doesn’t mean shit. Marriage is a partnership and bond that flows through the heart of two HUMANS not through a church. Therefore, I do NOT believe that “fornication” is a sin. I think marriage is a sin. Start labelling people (and belive me “being married” is a label or saying someone is “arrogant” as you so eloquently proceeded to do) and this is what you get… this “disgusting poor excuse for humanity” thread.
Your statement: “you are perpetuating that lie by implying that they either have to accept their sinful tendencies or hate themselves” is, well, bullshit. And again shows your hypocrisy. Let me explain in a real simple sentence for you:
What you and your “arrogant” ilk do is perpetuate the “lie” that they have to “accept their tendencies as sinful.”
They don’t. I don’t. I won’t. That is what can be extremely dangerous about religions and those that follow who “argue” that everyone needs a “cure” of something. (Sound like those pharmaceutical commercials. Please. Enough already.)
Sarah, I’ve done many sinful bad things and have fallen sway to much evil in my short 37 years of life… and… so…. what? I apologized, if needed, learned from my mistakes, moved on. I didn’t/don’t love myself any less. I don’t need anyone “dying” for my sins. Why would I? I handle the shit that I create. It’s called being responsible and sensible. Welcome to being human!
Now, Dog bless your sweet loving, tolerant christian soul, Sarah. (sarcasm intended as I know reading comprehension is hard for you).
Sounds kinda normal when you describe it like that…
Great Post. I thought the history re-writers had erased that historical chain of events and replaced it with “ain’t nothing wrong, everything is OK”. Keep telling the truth and eventually it will free the sexual orientational challenged to find a real relationship with the opposite sex.
Man, those tolerant liberals. God forbid anyone disagree with their warped views.. then they just censor the other viewpoint. Typical.
Oh, right. It’s only okay when it’s the conservatives trying to shut the liberals up.
This isn’t a issue split between conservative and liberal, even if the media plays that card….
That’s funny.. I’m very conservative, my kid brother [who teaches at a local university] is.. surprise surprise.. a liberal loon. YET.. Homosexuality being the most disgusted thing ever is something we both agree on.
This isn’t a democrat/republican issue. I’m not surprised that your brother agrees with you. Homophobic bigots tend to agree with each other on the issue of homosexuality.
name a specific example of a conservative trying to “shut up” a liberal.
Just search “Glenn Beck loses his mind” on YouTube.
As a cured ex-Christian, I don’t care if people want to believe in middle-eastern campfire stories about spacemen – they have the right to waste their time just as much as the rest of us. But that doesn’t give them the right to inflict their ill-informed views on the lives of others. Well done Apple.
inflict: to impose as something that must be borne or suffered. First off, no on is inflicting anything on anyone. It is an app that is available IF you choose to download it. The same as a book in the library, you disagree with whats in it,then dont read it.
I guess by the same reasoning Apple should remove all the apps by Hayhouse, the Abraham-Hicks apps, any apps dealing with Angels or mystical healing, etc….. For dog knows, this is probably offensive to many christians muslims or jews.
From Exodus: we don’t do “ex-gay therapy.” The app is a resource app that pulled in many of our online resources including blog posts, announcements, event information and even a powerful article against bullying.
Also, we do not label ourselves “ex-gay” but identify as Christians who have had or have same sex attractions. Our goal is to live out our lives congruent with our faith. Exodus is here to help those with similar beliefs to do the same.
It’s a shame that Apple caved but rest assured, the reality of our lives, beliefs and message will continue to boldly and lovingly go forward.
As a general policy, I am against censorship although it is necessary in some cases. I cannot say whether or not this is one of those cases. I have no desire to peruse the Exodus material and cannot, therefore, render an informed opinion. But a decision to censor should not be made solely on the basis of the number of names on a petition. History, both secular and religious, has shown that the power of censorship can and will be used to control societies.
Quoted, if your beliefs comfort you and you are happier now than you were in the past, then I am glad for you. I do not personally subscribe to your religion or your message. However, as long as you do not attempt to impose it on me or others, especially through legislation, then I am willing to be tolerant. The problem that I have encountered is that many structures of religious dogma impose the drive to proselytize. That drive has increasingly been channeled into political action, and that is unacceptable to me and many others.
I would not impose or try to force anyone to believe what I believe. I have invited many people to Church and whenever the say no I leave them alone. Others have come to God because they have had christian friends that showed them love through their daily conversation and life style. As a Christian I do invite people to church because of the joy I have found. Will everybody feel the same as me…unfortunately not. But if I see someone struggling with life or going through tuff times I cannot help but testify about how God delivered me. I know there are God haters in this world that could care less and would belittle me, but God has been good to me And whether they believe in Him or not, I will let people know of his saving grace. If they don’t want to hear it I move on. Some have been turned off of Church because of hypocrites or things happened in their life that they don’t understand and they blame God for their hurt. Why do bad things happen to good people? I don’t have the answer. But one thing I do, God is good! Take care.
Your right to believe harmless falsities should be well respected and prptected, and I am sure your behaviour in society is exemplary.
The problem however, as you can see from a frighteningly large number of these posts, is that when people believe in something – anything – too fiercely and vest their whole existence into these mental constructs, then they start first influencing and later imposing on other people’s lives.
Instead of arguing about which preferences or beliefs should prevail, we should instead be focusing on what principles and objectives we are trying to uphold as a society. If we agree on those, the rest will follow through easily; if we don’t then jumping directly to the more easily tangible dilemmas is rather futile.
@Leto
“The problem however, as you can see from a frighteningly large number of these posts, is that when people believe in something – anything – too fiercely and vest their whole existence into these mental constructs, then they start first influencing and later imposing on other people’s lives.” wasn’t that why the app was removed? They influenced & imposed their views to Apple, thus imposing their views on other people’s lives by having the app removed.
If gays were born gay then every identical twin of a gay would be gay. But they’re not. Ergo: it’s not genetic. It’s really that simple.
wow. Nice biology lesson. You know there is more to our makeup than genetics. There are chemical balances and hormones that make up for a TON of our instincts and behaviors.
of course. and there are such things as choices.
some people are born with a genetic dispostion to alcoholism. however, they can still choose whether or not to be an alcoholic.
men, generally, are born to with a desire to have sex with every pretty woman they see. however, they can choose whether or not to act out on that impulse.
but the issue here isn’t about choice. the issue here is one of tolerance. the homosexual community want all of their behavioural predilections tolerated by the heterosexual community but do not wish to extend the same grace to the hetersexual and the non-practicing homosexual community.
that is unacceptable in an open society that wishes to be egalitarian.
i don’t know any homosexuals who are trying to make heterosexuals give up their straight lifestyle.
What she’s saying is that the genetic argument that gay activists have been trumpeting for 20 years was completely wrong and flawed.
And by the way, when is this religious group going to release an app that offers to cure women of their PMS… that shit gets old month after month… “I’m happy! I’m angry! I’m sad! I’m crazy!” Ugh… I wish women would just choose to be normal.
Sorry Tina May, but there are identical twins that are of the opposite sex. If you can have boy, girl twins then you can have gat, straight twins.
You lose.
Gay, straight twins. You know, typing on a physical keyboard after using iOS is a pain in the butt, no pun intended.
Identical twins of the opposite sex? Do you know the difference between identical and fraternal twins? Clearly not, but I’m not going to take the time to explain it.
You clearly have no idea what “identical” means.
Then how do you explain the fact that if one identical twin is gay then the other twin is gay 50% of the time? The statistical probability of a gay child is about 5%. 50% is SLIGHTLY more than 5%, right? Just because the answer isn’t 100% doesn’t mean you can disregard the SCIENTIFIC data. Ergo: genetics play a huge role in determining sexual orientation. It’s really that simple.
David, time for you to go back to school. Gay activists have been saying that homosexuality is genetically determined. If that were the case, it would be 100%. Genetics only play a “huge” role if it were 100%. 50% means at best, inconclusive. Meaning, stop trying to make conclusions that aren’t there.
Another reason to boycott Apple, and a fascist, closed platform device
This is why I will NEVER buy an apple product. Besides being stupidly overpriced, Apple gets to play censor and promote a PC-correct agenda and quietly promote aberrant ‘lifestyles.’ So glad I left the corporate cubile way of living – no more mandatory ‘diversity’ training B.S.
microsoft actively supports gay rights with millions of dollars, as do pepsi, home depot et al.
my recommendation is to purchase the product that best suits your needs and love your neighbour to the saving grace of God.
there we go. Thanks.
How can any one claim this action is not motivated by intolerance, bigotry & christophobic hatefulness. Will the level of intolerance described in the story below find it’s way to America? With Apple leading the way, it may. “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”-George Orwell. Newspeak anyone? To give a single example – The word free still existed in Newspeak, but could only be used in such statements as “The dog is free from lice” or “This field is free from weeds.” It could not be used in its old sense of “politically free” or “intellectually free,” since political and intellectual freedom no longer existed even as concepts, and were therefore of necessity nameless. ” Irony, sweet irony.
http://www.persecution.org/2011/03/10/disappointment-after-prime-minister-of-uk-favors-ruling-against-christian-foster-care-ruling/
Don’t look now, Comscout, but you are an animal. You certainly aren’t a vegetable or a mineral. Seems to me you are more equal than the horse you ride upon.
i didn’t know that preventing Christians from curtailing the free rights of others was “Christophobia.”
@Rotten Apple
If this is the way you feel, why on Earth are you reading this site? Simply to troll?
i would just suggest that those who don’t like apple’s and the homosexuals community let apple know that they won’t be buying an iphone any time soon.
if heterosexuals are to be expected to tolerate the message / applications from homosexuals, then homosexuals should be expected to tolerate the message / applications provided by heterosexuals. one would think that would be reasonable.
Do me a favor and don’t buy the iPhone 5, so my non asshole friends and I can get ours faster.
For a non asshole you sure act and sound like an intolerant asshole.
simple enough…someone start a petition to keep it available. the way the lib society works is ‘it’ (fill in the blank) can not exist if they do not agree with it.
Its pretty crappy about Apple pulling the app. Gays are pretty sad they want us to accept there
way of life on their terms. Why are there voices
heard over everyones elses. Apple cares about
the bottomline and nothing else. Apple better wake up.
terms and to hell with the
rest of us.
gays have been excepting your way of life for centuries. Quit bitching.
damn it. *accepting
Homosexuals wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for heterosexuality. Show some respect.
Because “praying the gay away” is religious BS. Apple is under no obligation to promote anyone’s agenda… or do you think they should give the green light to apps from the KKK?
Articles of faith for the gay community …
1) We are born this way.
2) It’s genetic.
3) It can’t be changed.
4) We demand acceptance.
Go against any of these articles of faith at your own risk.
It’s more than faith, after all, we know ourselves and how we are far better than you do, quite obviously.
So, to fix your stupid comments:
1) Yes, we are born this way, which seems far more logical than that generation after generation for thousands of years people would make that choice
2) We don’t necessarily say it’s genetic, we don’t know, but we’re sure we’re born this way, however it happens
3) Can you change from being (I suppose) straight to being gay? No? Then how do you expect gay people to change? Given that they’re just as gay as you are supposedly straight.
4) We demand equality before the law. I personally don’t give a flying f… if bigots accept me or not.
So yes, go against this logic or be prepared to be shot down logically for the foolish argument you are.
An honest question: Is it possible that all the outraged folks above were (very successfully) trolled by the original poster, and the other various posters fanning the flames thereafter?
In time, there will be a group saying that sex with horses is love and that they didn’t choose to be that way. They will demand their rights and acceptance. The gays will say that marriage should only be between two human beings and the animal lovers will call them bigots and zooophobes. Time marches on. Things tend towards chaos. There will be parades with horses and people dressed up in all forms of harnesses, whips, and feathers as they show their pride.
That sounds very Gayquestrian to me.
Well, that is a horse of a different color.
Nag, nag, nag.
Slippery slope arguments are EVER SO MUCH FUN!
So we shouldn’t have allowed interracial marriage because it might lead to gay marriage 60 years later, right? One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Just like your lame analogy.
Evidently Apple is responding to a revelation about Exodus.
Apple is responding to gay political agendas.
So does any group that tries to secure equal rights for themselves have an “agenda” for the right to oppose?
Here is what God says…about the issue of Sodomy…our views don’t really matter. This also applies to so-called “christian homosexuals” [sic] as well…
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. ” (Romans 1:18–32, KJV 1900)
Here is what [my opinion about a translation of an ancient text, with context lost and words no longer understood] God [is purported by me to] say…
There, fixed that for you.
Incidentally, other people equally strong in their Christian faith, if not in fact stronger faith than yours, disagree with you. Who are we supposed to believe?
Ron,
ancient text? context lost?words no longer understood?
Are you serious with that? that is the lamest, most childish thing(though not that uncommon)Ii have ever heard to try and stick your head in the sand, and hope it all goes away. last time i checked, mortality rates were at 100% ,and your gambling big time.
Yes, I’m serious with that. Unlike you, I have actually studied this. The meaning of words of changed so substantially since these texts were supposedly written that it’s an entire study just to determine what THEY meant at the time. Also, you do realize most of what is being translated, was written hundreds of years AFTER the events supposedly took place.
Just because people die does not make the bible true, or the word of god, or that there is a god, or any other lame non-sequitur. Talk about a lame, childish argument! I would have understood the error of your argument at 5 years old.
True Christians follow the actual scriptures. The fact that some that call themselves Christians but still disagree with the actual scriptures says more about those sort being wrong and misinformed.
Yep. And isn’t it wonderful that God does the convicting and judging so that you don’t have to? It’s such a relief that I don’t have to try to “save” everyone because the only thing Christ asked us to do is love one another. And thank God for that.
God has judged homosexuality as a sin and an abomination. Are you sure you are a Christian. God also stated that his followers were to judge righteously. God also said that we should be wise and informed on manners of judgement. And God said that his followers would even judge angels.
But **I DON’T BELIEVE THAT.** And that belief is not fixed in our Constitution. We have freedom of religion, which means that if I want to follow atheistic precepts, I can. It also means that laws should not be passed which curtail the rights of any particular group for religious reasons. So until you can go found Jesusland somewhere, as long as you’re in America, you’ll just have to put up with freedom…even for the people you don’t like.
If the app isn’t spewing hate, I don’t see what the problem is. If I was hateful anti-gay it definitely should be pulled, no question. As far as the cure thing goes, no more than you can “cure” a heterosexual to be gay, you can’t do the reverse either. So just ignore the app. as silly and worthless.
There goes someones First Amendment Rights to those who scream the loudest. I am non religious and in fact anti religious. I know a lot of Gay people and really do not care what your sexual orientation is. I am also a Republican and a Conservative. But shutting people up who you do not agree with (I do not agree with them either) is just wrong and unconstitutional. Its pathetic that Apple caved.
All of this is very interesting, but beside the point. Why on earth can’t gay or straight people purchase whatever apps they want?
When I heard about “Grindr” I was appalled, but I didn’t petition Apple to remove it from their store. People should be able to buy it if they chose to do so. The same is true for the Exodus International app. If you disagree with their views, don’t buy the app. If there is a market for it and no laws are violated, the app should stay on the market.
The way I see it, Apple has every right to sell it or sell it, or not sell it. If they feel that any this product violates any of their corporate values, I have no problem with them pulling it, but it’s disappointing to see them limit the freedom of their customers to purchase whatever apps they chose to.
The big contradiction here is that the LGBT community seems to be all for limiting people’s freedom in this case… as long as the freedom their limiting is not their own. Does that honestly make any sense at all?
And MDN generates lots of clicks which will help its advertising income which was the purpose of this article.
MDN regularly removes posts of which it doesn’t approve.
Apple is doing the same thing.
If the app was free, Apple was effectively paying for someone to host an app that was at opposites to their own policies, given that the COO is gay. If they were making money from it, it would just about be understandable to continue hosting the app (although I would be disappointed); but they’re not.
if Exodus want to spread their message, they can write an app for other less discerning platforms or deliver the content as an HTML5 site.
There is no constitutional right to have our app hosted on Apple’s dime.
Of course, these protesters will then attempt to pressure Exodus’ ISP to shut down their site. Or perhaps go to other ISPs to get *them* to block Exodus’ domain name. Heck, they could also go to Google and ask them to not index the Exodus site, China-style, so nobody can find it.
Give an inch to anyone with strong anti-free-speech inclinations, and they’ll go the whole nine yards to shut up anyone who disagrees with them.
And lest you think I’m picking sides, I detest this kind of behavior from all sides, regardless of who it’s coming from. Why do you think there’s so much pressure to set up a national domain blocking system? Because all the anti-free-speech extremists are hoping they can get an “in” with those in power, and have some say in what gets blocked – in whose speech they get to stifle.
If you truly believe in free speech, you have to defend even the speech of those you vehemently disagree with. Otherwise, the “free” speech you believe in is about as “free” as Google is “open”. 😉
Oh, what a tragedy. Where will gays go now to
learn how to be straight.
A note to the mentally challenged : this is sarcasm 🙂
The only problem is that the gay community wants their freedom of speech. Well so does the anti-gay community. Why stifle one to satisfy the other. Let the app be freely available and let users decide if they want it. The gay community should try to be a little more tolerant of heterosexuals.
Oh yeah. Being gay is immoral depending on who you ask. Why is one person’s opinion more valid than another’s?
If God created two males and two females and the two males hooked up and the two females hooked up, the human race wouldn’t exist. So really, as far as continuing our species goes, homosexuality is ineffective and goes against nature. But if we’re evolving into a race of depraved loud mouths, I’m happy that homosexuals can’t reproduce. Eventually the world will go back to normal when the homosexual populace dies out. Not that I’m hoping for that or anything. Some of my best friends are gay. =)
It sounds as if Apple and LGBT engaged in an effort to deprive, select individuals first amendment rights. I find the extreme left and right in this country, very intolerant.
The app is a resource app that pulled in many of our online resources including blog posts, announcements, event information and even a powerful article against bullying.
Also, we do not label ourselves “ex-gay” but identify as Christians who have had or have same sex attractions. Our goal is to live out our lives congruent with our faith. Exodus is here to help those with similar beliefs to do the same.
It’s a shame that Apple caved but rest assured, the reality of our lives, beliefs and message will continue to boldly and lovingly go forward.
Same sex attractions? You make it sound like you’ve got a crush on the 6th grade math teacher. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation. You cannot change it. You cannot pray it away. Telling teens to push aside their sexual feelings until they have no sexual feeling for anyone is mentally damaging and abusive. You shouldn’t have to destroy your life just to please your chosen God. I thought God made everything, and doesn’t make mistakes? That would include gay people.
Just because a whole bunch of people repeat the statement that “sexual orientation can’t be changed” over and over again for twenty odd years doesn’t actually make it true.
Everyone is missing the point entirely. Everyone talks around in circles but never gets at the heart of the problem.The bible says homosexuality is a sin, amongst many other sins. Therefore Christians….as followers of Jesus Christ…proclaim what the bible says. They are not our words, they are Gods. If you have any question about it, ask God. He made it extraordinarily clear in his Word. Having said that, homosexuality is just one sin among many that are committed everyday , ie anger, rage malice, slander, hatred, envy, lust, greed…and the list goes on. Sin as sin. He hates sin….all of it, and commands all of us to turn away from it(meaning to stop doing it…). Its real easy to compare yourself to what others are doing. Compare yourself to the perfect righteousness and holiness of God. As with any other sin, Christians are called to love people wherever they are and encourage Gods truth to be lived in out their lives…and this is the same with homosexuality. It is very simple. Because we are helpless to turn away from sin on our own, we need Jesus Christ to be our payment for sin. Only then can we stand before God and be judged not guilty.
May I, as a nonbeliever, choose to engage in legal and non-coercive sex with anyone who chooses to do the same with me, without the Government stepping in and barring that or punishing it? This is AMERICA, not Jesusland.
We don’t do “ex-gay therapy.” The app is a resource app that pulled in many of our online resources including blog posts, announcements, event information and even a powerful article against bullying.
Also, we do not label ourselves “ex-gay” but identify as Christians who have had or have same sex attractions. Our goal is to live out our lives congruent with our faith. Exodus is here to help those with similar beliefs to do the same.
It’s a shame that Apple caved but rest assured, the reality of our lives, beliefs and message will continue to boldly and lovingly go forward.
There are no apps on the AppStore that convinces Christians to feel they belong to a sick religion and that they should repent or give up their religion. Any such app would be rejected. Same case with the Exodus Int’l app. I looked at its content and it says (in videos) that homosexuals are sick in the heart and need to change their ways. That’s why this app has been taken down.
Shameful for the people of Exodus to have opinions about things. I disagree with them! Burn them at the stake!
There are many left leaning news and blog apps that often bash Christian beliefs.
Which ones?
Wow! Talk about bullying!
Wow! GLBT’s intolerance is just as ugly as everybody else’s.
So much for “open-mindedness”.
Give me a break. If there were an app that told you that you were immoral because of your sexual orientation, and that you needed to pretend to be gay in order to please your God, how would that make you feel? Do you think that would be good advice for teens to hear?
How about an app that tells teens to place leeches on their eyes to help their vision. Does that get a thumbs up from Apple? Or is it only intolerance if you don’t accept everyone’s religious beliefs?
Oh, the poor teens! We can’t expose them to anything but the prevailing notions on sexuality from the LBGTQ because anything else that what they say would be hateful and intolerant. Not that the average teenager is smart enough to make up his or her own mind.
Duh, winning!
It’s funny to read all these conservatives spewing anti-gay rhetoric on here after clicking the link from self-hating closeted gay right winger Matt Drudge. Yes he’s gay, he even dated David Brock. Google it.
It’s funny to read all these conservatives spewing anti-gay rhetoric on here after clicking the link from self-hating closeted gay right winger Matt Drudge. Yes he’s gay, he even dated David Brock. Duh, winning!
Wuh, dinning.
I’m seeing a fair amount of hate and anger in the comments here, from all sides, so I’d like to quote something you may have heard once or twice before:
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
The “love” being spoken of here is not related to physical lust, or the “love” we may have for, say, products made by Apple (guilty!). Instead, the original Greek word being translated here is agape, which specifically refers to a selfless, voluntary and unconditional love. That’s the love Christ showed for all of us, even those who were taunting Him and spitting on Him as He died.
That’s a very, very difficult standard to live up to, and sadly, there are far too many people who say they follow Him, while failing to show even a hint of this kind of love to others. But just because there are plenty of bad examples of Christianity to be found, does not make Christianity itself invalid. (Sort of like how, just because there are a lot of very bad copies of Apple devices flooding the market, doesn’t mean Apple devices don’t exist, and doesn’t mean they’re not really as good as claimed.)
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult, and left untried.” – G.K. Chesterton
So please, love those who disagree with you. Speak kindly to those who call you terrible names, accuse you of following fanciful “sky-god” myths, or say hateful things to you in the name of “love”. It is very, very difficult – but it’s also very, very rewarding. We all need God’s mercy through faith in Christ, and showing this kind of agape love to others points people to Jesus far more clearly and powerfully than anything else.
“But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.”
Thank you for the contribution of light and fresh air to this ugly mixup
To add to the verse quoted by @Spade. The most difficult part of the verse believe is to “believe the best of every person”. I struggle with that a lot.
“Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices in the truth. Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstance, it endures everything without weakening. Love never fails.”
Wow! Religious people are so full of hate, fear, and anger. I guess God can’t overcome human nature after all.
Personally, I’m reminded of the old Christian perspective that no one goes to hell unless they absolutely insist on it.
Bon chance.
Wow. The complete and utter lack of biblical knowledge and discernment on this page, from both ends of the spectrum, is utterly appalling. Out of context verses, a complete lack of understanding of history and application, and an overall attitude of “holier than thou” from one side and “bigoted view of religion” on the other. Grow up and start finding common ground and debate like adults people. Ridiculous.
‘…still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest… Paul Simon, ‘The Boxer’
We all collect collect arguments, lines of reasoning and logic, using our God-given intelligence, and build our fortresses of beliefs and values to protect and justify what we love and value most. Often our intelligence is used not to evaluate ideas in search of truth, but instead to protect ourselves from truth, to defend the indefensible, or ‘prove’ the absurd. We are all certain that we are right, because after all, ‘I am me – what I am convinced of (or convince myself of) is self-evidently true’.
One of the things that grieves me in ‘discussions’ such as these is the notion that ‘I am so obviously and totally right, and have all real evidence and truth on my side, that anyone who disagrees me is a) ignorant, b) hate-filled, c) an idiot, d) evil, e) intolerant, f) morally, willfully blind, e) all of the above, so that I am free to treat them as sub-human, call them names, impugn their character and motives, and wish them all to hell (if I believe in it).
Jesus said that the measuring stick we use on others will be the same one used on us in the coming judgment. Respect, humility, genuinely caring about the ultimate good of another (whatever their present set of opinions or values), and the idea that I could be mistaken, and would be willing to change my mind if I become convinced by the preponderance of evidence; these are some of the good indicators of someone who might be able to engage in a discussion about volatile subjects without losing their grip on honor, decency and humaneness. I see very few posts here that reflect anything of more substance than ‘I am right, you are wrong and therefore evil and deserving of my hatred, contempt and venom because you are not like me and my kind’. God have mercy on such as we…
So why is this being banned? I get that some people are offended by the idea that a gay might change their orientation, but certainly those people can ignore it and not download it? But there might be some people it could help…I am offended by a huge amount of stuff in iTunes store – explicit, bad taste (farting apps, really?), and disagree with apps representing other religions than my own. But I am considerate enough to recognize that those are of value (be it only entertainment value) to some other group. Out of love for them and for the Jesus who loves ALL people, I don’t make a stink and forebear with those things. Why can’t others also show consideration and allow something they disagree with that might be helpful or valued by someone else?
This is why I use a BlackBerry.
Consenting or non-consenting adult? By what arbitrary standard here are people defining adult? Is it 18? 16? 14? 21? If you say “18 because it’s customary,” I’ll ask you where you came up with that arbitrary number. Certainly if one’s religiously-based or non-religiously based preference for “sexual orientation” or even “behavior,” is considered arbitrary and not applicable or appropriate, then neither is another’s arbitrary choice for an appropriate age of consent, or even definition of whom or what is able to consent. The point is, just as those in the “gay community” demand the availability of certain types of software, those in the “non-gay community” should also have the right to demand the availability of certain types of software. End of story. Apple is clearly wrong here. But none of this really matters, because the banned software will certainly be made available on other platforms. Apple has a sizeable market share, but it doesn’t have a monopoly and it can’t control supply and demand.
I’m tired of Christian bigots telling others what they can and can’t do!
If one man wants to insert his engorged phallus into another man’s feces-lined anal canal, then who is anyone to object?
They are, after all, two (or more) consenting adults.
And the above-referenced sexual activity is certainly natural and much safer and healthier than phallus-to-vaginal sexual contact, right?
So get off my back, bigots! (Unless that’s how you like it.)
It’s been really great to have been raised by my two sensitive, enlightened dads — oh, and cable t.v. and my uber-cool friends: the Bravo network and MTV, among others, who have made sure I’ve been inculcated with the truth — that being gay isn’t just okay, but is awesome!
Thanks, enlightened age! Have a day. 🙂
(And all you bigots can stop being “offended” at the idea of anal sex. I wish I had a penis so I could smear it with feces too, just like my more-awesome-than-me gay buddies. )
What a pointless argument. Welcome to America where gay people are allowed to be gay and anyone else is allowed to say that they shouldn’t be. Personally, I am offended by greedy insurance companies, reality TV, and people who buy big screen TVs and then say they can’t afford to neuter their pet. When is somebody gonna ban that insanity?
This is an outrage!!! I call upon all Christians to boycott Apple by not submitting any more Christian or religious apps to the app store from this day forward. That will show them we can’t be pushed around!!! 😉
This is a sad case of Apple pandering to those who are completely unhurt but apparently offended by the existence of this app. Nobody is forced to download it and it’s not pre-installed as a part of iOS. I fail to see what’s wrong with allowing the consumer to decide if it’s a desirable app to have or not.
Ill tell you:
Exodus’ message is hateful and bigoted. They claim to offer “freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ” and use scare tactics, misinformation, stereotypes and distortions of LGBT life to recruit clients. They endorse the use of so-called “reparative therapy” to “change” the sexual orientation of their clients, despite the fact that this form of “therapy” has been rejected by every major professional medical organization including the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association. But reparative therapy isn’t just bad medicine — it’s also very damaging to the self-esteem and mental health of its victims.
It’s hateful to do something you know kills you quicker and call someone hateful for wanting to help you?
How does being gay “kill you quicker”?
Homosexuals DO die before heterosexuals.
Just like alcoholics are 26% more likely to die before people who do not drink.
What is it about homosexuality that causes early death? Please explain, and feel free to use any data that backs up the idea that gays die earlier than straights from being gay.
Which one will you believe?
CDC
World Health Org. (UN)
and a plethora of other places that track death rates by HIV/AIDS.
You missed the part about “please explain” and dodged the citation part. In what way does simply being gay shorten the lifespan? What medical research facilities agree with this? If I live a normal, monogamously gay life, what about being gay will kill me?
Not all who die of AIDS-related diseases are gay. Most who die of AIDS in Africa are heterosexual. AIDS can be transmitted during genital intercourse between men, women, or a man and a woman.
So in what way does being gay kill you?
Wow you just won’t stop cutting and pasting that tired old paragraph, won’t you?
I know of many people who have been helped by them, some by a lesser extent, some by a greater extent.
Google Robert Spitzer, people!
Well stated, BigDaddyDK.
So, if there’s a homosexual gene, why not a beastiality, pedophila, gene?
Murderer’s gene?
Adulterer’s gene?
Homosexual sex is between two consenting adults which harms no one.
All of your other examples either
1. cause harm to another,
and/or
2. are a non-consentual practice.
2nd chance..
So, if there’s a homosexual gene, why not a beastiality, pedophila, gene?
Murderer’s gene?
Adulterer’s gene?
My answer remains the same; Figure it out.
homosexual practices and relationships between two consenting adults do not cause no harm to anyone.
Murder, adultery, bestiality, and pedophelia, are all un consensual practices that are dangerous and cause harm to an unwilling victim.
Actually, adultery IS between consenting adults!
So, 3rd time..
So, if there’s a homosexual gene, why not a beastiality, pedophila, gene?
Murderer’s gene?
Adulterer’s gene?
READING COMPREHENSION:
1. Cause HARM to another
AND/OR
2. are a non-consentual practice.
Adultery may be consensual between the people in the illicit affair, but it also brings harm to the non-cheating spouse.
it was missing “or” the second time i posted it..
read my first post.
Mike..
I think the person with comphrension issues is you unfortunately.
Again,
If there’s a homosexaulity gene, why can’t there be an adultery, pedophile, murderer’s gene.
The homosexual gene has NOTHING to do with the action, but the ‘inbred’ ‘born with’ behavior. At least that’s what pro-homosexuals have been saying.
Different action… same set of genes.
You said it, homosexuality is not an action. It’s an orientation, a condition that is inherent and can’t be taught or learned..
Murder, Bestiality, etc.. are actions. not conditions.
Your question is silly. It’s like saying why isn’t there a bad driving gene, or a bad gardening gene.
Mike,
I understand why you can’t say that a pedophile, adulterer or murderer can’t have the same ‘gene’ link as homosexuality. It doesn’t make your side look good.
If homosexuality is an inherent behavior, ANYTHING can be an inherent behavior. Doesn’t matter which sexual behavior it is.
Their ALL ACTIONS!
Like i said in the beginning
Your examples: Murder, bestiality, pedophilia, etc. etc. cause damage or harm to another person or thing.
Homosexuality DOES not, when it’s between two consenting adults.
Again Mike,
It has NOTHING TO DO WITH legality. It has to do with whether there is a ‘gene’ for it. Your action is not based on legality or not. It’s based on whether you act on an urge.
So, if there is a homosexual gene, why not a heterosexual, adulterer, beasti, bi-sex, murderers, etc…etc…etc…etc…etc..
2nd chance Mike
So, if there’s a homosexual gene, why not a beastiality, pedophila, gene?
Murderer’s gene?
Adulterer’s gene?
Or, are you saying there is NO born homosexual gene?
Apple is completely in their rights to do that. They own the store. Censorship is bad. What happened to tolerant liberals? Oh wait…there aren’t any.
nothing like the tolerance of the homosexual agenda?
So it’s intolerant to ask Apple to remove something that causes distress to a specific group of people?
Something that causes stress? Humm…
What about ANY religious apps other than say Muslim apps?
What about movies that portray women in a bad light?
What about song lyrics like 50cent or others who glorify killing cops?
or apps that might offend parents of younger children?
DIStress. Not “stress.” Not only that, Apple is an independent actor. It does not represent the government in any way, so it is free to exclude from its app store any app they desire, just as they are able to exclude music, TV, or movies they don’t like. Look at it the other way. Should the government *require* Apple to carry that app? If not, then Apple has the right to reject it, just as they would have the right to reject an anti-Quran app or an anti-Christian app.
Nice try ‘sigh’,
They’re an independent actor? Really? I didn’t say they didn’t have the right to do so. We’re not arguing that point. I grant you that.
Now, onto the real issue. W
What about ANY religious apps other than say Muslim apps?
What about movies that portray women in a bad light?
What about song lyrics like 50cent or others who glorify killing cops?
or apps that might offend parents of younger children?
…Apple has the right to include or exclude any app they want to. They don’t have to explain themselves to anyone but their shareholders, as long as the app doesn’t lead, directly or indirectly, to the harm of others.
I’ll say again for possible comphrension.
They had the right to do so.
So,
Now, onto the real issue. W
What about ANY religious apps other than say Muslim apps?
What about movies that portray women in a bad light?
What about song lyrics like 50cent or others who glorify killing cops?
or apps that might offend parents of younger children?
As someone who turned away from homosexuality years ago, I can authoritatively state that it is a daily choice. Every. Day. It is a daily struggle. However, I would not have had my two sons, or a relatively satisfying relationship with my spouse, who I met after choosing to reject my predisposition, without the struggle. It has borne enormous dividends. It has been worth it. I associate with others who have also walked the harder path, and it has been worth it for them as well. It’s only my old friends from the lifestyle 20 years ago, at least those who are not yet dead, who shun me. Talk about bigoted and hurtful.
Its kind of like drugs. I used to do a lot of drugs in my day. Every time I shot up, it was my choice. Everyone I did drugs with loved me until I decided to go to rehab. Now when I see them on the streets they won’t even hold their coin cup in my direction. Really, looking at me now makes them feel horrible for what they’re still doing.
I didn’t think homosexual rehab could work until I compared homosexuality with drug abuse.
Seriously, homosexuals are homosexuals because they didn’t get enough attention as heterosexuals. It is a choice, then an addiction. I blame Elton John, Lady GaGa, and every homosexual entertainer for making homosexuality socially acceptable. We imitate what we see on television and hear on the radio. Sad but true. We are a world full of idiots. The only ones who are going to get out this alive will be the ones who stick to their morals.
So. You “turned away from homosexuality years ago,” but you struggle with the desire every day. Seems like homosexuality hasn’t turned away from you.
Hey, sometimes one has to struggle with a life-long disorder, and not it it define them.
What medical group has declared homosexuality a disorder? Not the AMA or the APA. In fact, no responsible, non-religiously-affiliated group considers homosexuality a disorder. I don’t like to presume, but it sounds to me as if you’re repressing your true nature based on religious dogma.
Have you ever lied Teh? If so, do you struggle with NOT doing so, or do you just enjoy lying?
Ever spoke ill will of someone? Or, is that ok for you to do?
I am not compelled by nature to lie or speak ill of anyone. How is that in any way comparable to one’s sexual orientation? Oh, right–the Man in the Clouds said it’s SINFUL. Except that the God of my choosing things teh ghey is A-OK. So you go follow your God, I’ll follow mine, and please don’t use yours to create laws that oppress mine.
How do you know there isn’t a ‘liars’ gene?
Supposition is no replacement for empiricism. I could suppose that there is a dickery gene that makes right-wingers total dicks toward anyone they don’t like, but that doesn’t mean there is one.
Apparently, you’re not compelled to have homosexual sex. Just like someone who has a desire to have sex with a child, but doesn’t.
Homosexuality is not pedophilia. Two consenting adults desiring or engaging in homosexual acts are not illegal or harmful. Acting on pedophilic desires necessitates on actor being under the age of consent and is illegal for that reason. But it doesn’t surprise me that you have to compare gays to molesters in trying to win an argument.
We’re arguing not whether two homosexuals can have sex. That’s a given. Another trojan horse argument.
We’re arguing if there is a homosexual gene, which there is NO evidence of, why can’t there be a pedophile, adulterer, murderer, etc… gene.
It is true, I do suppress my true nature. I wanted a family of my own, with a dad and a mom who make children and raise them together. I also try to “man up” rather than twist my way out of uncomfortable situations that may make me look bad (aka lying), and I try not to let go of a fairly mean temper, both of which is suppressing my true nature as well. I think my choice has taken a certain amount of courage, and, I repeat, it has been worth it. I’m a faithful spouse, and a good parent. I’m not saying that my choice is the one that everyone should make, but in a free society, shouldn’t we all be free to make the choice of what consenting adult we have sex with?
Here is my question?
Where do GAY babies come from?
Gays should be rounded up, gassed and buried in mass graves after having their di.cks cut off and rammed down their gay-lisping mouths.
Shame on Apple for giving in to this politically correct nonsense. They ‘d let just about anybody submit an app. This group should be able to have an app like anyone else. There are many trying to flee the gay behavioral lifestyle. Why shouldn’t they be able to find the help they are looking for? I am very disappointed in Apple that they would try to stop free speech and commerce in this manner.
What about that guy in Russia who’s in jail for life because he literally ate some other dude he met online. Is consensual cannibalism ok? They were both willing participants. One dude was hungry and the other dude was willing to be dinner.
I guess my point is that even if two consensual adults are involved, it doesn’t make the act moral. But don’t get me wrong, that’s one less psychopath out of the way. Now, if we can just get the gay and lesbian community to get a taste for human flesh, cannibalism will become legal pretty soon. I’d love to go to those pride rallies.
Consensual homosexual acts do not normally conclude with one of the actors dead. Equating gay sex with cannibalism is disingenuous.
No but there is anal bleeding and a compulsion to listen to the Village People. All of these are far worse than death in my opinion. Stop judging cannibals. It happened between two consenting adults. Gaw, small minded “apples and baseballs” so small minded. You watch, one day the ACLU will be sticking up for cannibal rights. Then who will be dising…. that big word you used.
Homosexual men are MUCH more apt to get HIV/AIDS. People with that disease die how much before others?
Again, based on CDC and WHO data.
Yeah, and IV drug users are more apt to get HIV/AIDS… so what’s your point?
The point was I made a statement people questioned it, now you’re going to question the information supplied by throwing a ‘trojan horse’ into the equation.
Homosexual sex is abnormal behavior and leads to higher death rates. It will be even worse for bi-sexuals which are not really included in those numbers by the CDC and WHO.
Also, just to let you know… ANY Deviant behavior leads to death so that includes drug users as well.
Again, deviant behavioral patterns lead to MUCH higher rates of death.
You mean this statement: if there is a gene for homosexuality, then is there a gene for adulterer, murderer, etc.
Well, maybe there is, maybe there isn’t. You obviously don’t know. I obviously don’t either. Just as many others on this forum may not. Maybe we’re still too stupid to figure it out. We certainly don’t use nearly enough of our brain power on a daily basis. Why would you think the possibility of it to not be true? Because it fits easily into your stereotype of LGBT’s “deviant” behavior.
Homosexual sex is NOT abnnormal NOR is it deviant.
I never questioned the information supplied. I went to the CDC site to find my own answers. And yes, I see that gay men may have a higher risk of contracting HIV/AIDS through sex. Just as drug users may have a higher risk of contracting HIV/AIDS by injecting themselves with dirty needles. Just as smokers may have a higher risk of developing lung cancer. So are smokers now deviants too?
Any just to let you know… I know that ANY deviant behavior leads to death! What idiot wouldn’t know that? That includes reckless drivers that text! Sheesh… thanks for the condescension.
Please cite the data. A URL will do. Also, is that for America only? Because a lot of heterosexuals die of AIDS in Africa.
Is there something magic about teh ghey that kills you young?
http://www.cdc.gov/globalAIDS/default.html
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure
There’s a plethora of information here. Also, take into consideration that they really are NOT including bi-sexual sex between men and women. The numbers for heterosexuals would be lower if you included homosexual women I believe as well.
However, based purely on the numbers that are present, you can see that it’s a 50% higher likely chance for homosexuals.
So it’s only a “choice” when it’s being forced upon society, the military, elementary and pre-school children, but not when someone really wants to change their behavior? The message I hear is clear. You’re queer, you’re here, and you’ll do everything you can to make more of you.
Homosexuality is not a behavior.
As proven and documented by the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association.
Mike,
be·hav·ior (b-hvyr)
n.
1. The manner in which one behaves.
2.
a. The actions or reactions of a person or animal in response to external or internal stimuli.
b. One of these actions or reactions: “a hormone . . . known to directly control sex-specific reproductive and parenting behaviors in a wide variety of vertebrates” (Thomas Maugh II).
3. The manner in which something functions or operates: the faulty behavior of a computer program; the behavior of dying stars.
Homosexuality is not behavior any more than disliking beets is a behavior. A behavior is an action based on prior experience. Having sex is a behavior. Having sexual feelings is not.
Argue with the dictionary
Argue with the APA.
There are ‘doctor’s’ within the APA that believe pedophilia is fine.
Humm..
I’ll just wait for your citation on that one.
By the way… how much of the APA and other psych. info on sexuality came from Alfred Kinsey? And, how much of that behavior was homsexual behavior with children under age by prisoners? Ummmm…..
, Kinsey’s Sexual Behavior in the Human Male maintained, is “culturally conditioned.” Pedophiles don’t harm children in most cases, the Indiana University professor argued, but the “hysteria” caused by police, parents, and others in authority does. According to Kinsey’s pedophiles, who became “trained observers” in his reports, signs of “orgasm” for children as young as infants included “violent cries,” “loss of color,” and an “abundance of tears.” This wasn’t science. This was perverts rationalizing their criminal behavior.
What exactly is your point here?
The point is that every pro-homosexual wants to say that your ‘born’ with the gene. One, there is NO evidence to that fact. So, anyone else with deviant behaviors (beasti, pedo, adultery, murderer’s, thieves, bed wetters can make the same claims their behavioral patterns.
A great victory for political correctness and leftist censorship. Yay!
I am very disapointed that Apple caved in to the pressure of the few promiscuous deviants who complained .
Further proof that the “LGBT Community” is hateful and bigotted, and will stop at nothing to militantly foist their agenda on others.
Apple gay fo dat
lets see, 500 years ago ‘the world is flat’
400 years ago -actually burn women for being ‘witches’
150 years ago – use the bible to somehow justify slavery
100 years ago- use the bible to somehow justify keeping women from voting
you might as not argue with these numbsculls
take comfort in knowing they are ALWAYS, I mean ALWAYS on the wrong side of history.
so wait let me get this “straight” the people who have been cured from being “gay” are liars and shouldn’t be able to let people know about this? this is the tolerant gay community at work for you!
I am a Conservative Christian and DO accept that there are other communities and beliefs out there– some of my best friends are gay and lesbian. They know I don’t agree with their lifestyle, but this does NOT take away from our friendship. Personally, age of consent is a modern, mostly western idea and should not be there. It should be solely based on consent. If a 20-year old and a 15-year old like each other, they should be allowed together. This is standard in many countries and has worked out just fine for thousands of years. If two people of the same sex want to get together, who am I to stop them. I have my beliefs and they have theirs. There should not be any law barring one orientation over the other. The Bible does not direct someone to hate another person. It directs you to hate the sin. The words of hate I see here are despicable.
I hear a lot of people whining about being a homo is allowed because it’s a matter of consent.
If gays were only screwing in the dark of their own space, I wouldn’t have much to whine about. But where’s the consent in making elementary through highschool aged kids sit through sensitivity lectures and gay sex ed classes? Where’s the consent in pulling an application that no gay person has to consent to download? It sounds to me that if you’re gay you can whine loud enough to get anything done because people are being insensitive and offensive with their views and heterosexual foundations. Well news flash, none of the crocks of bs that the gay community throws at us, and none of the “wars” they win to preserve their pathetic tirade of complaining do normal people consent to.
Forcing gay opinions and tolerance on me is something that I do not consent to. And you don’t have to forgive me when slingshot razorblades into your gay pride parades where all you wear is a rainbow colored manthong and demand respect.
i agree here. seems Gay people think we should tolorate them and we should respect them yet at the same time they are intolerant of anyone elses views.
While i do believe it is wrong to be gay and no one is “BORN” gay its a choice you make. I know i know people will say but i am not attracted to women or im not attracted to men. its wrong and maybe you are not attracted to the opposite sex but there are ways to deal with that and help.
I know some people dont want help. But my biggest issue with the gay community is they always try to push their ways on everyone else. When i was in school just mid 90s if someone was gay they did not speak about it in school and you really never saw anyone who if they were ever acted that way in public.
Now days you have to be taught that its ok to be gay and we should love them and all this. Well no one is throwing more hate then the gay community themselves. Millions of people would have voted for that app but wow 140 thousand people didnt like it so now we get to hear about it.
If you have an itunes account i say we email Apple and let them know we do not like that our choice is not considered. If your gay i tell you that you can get away with anything anymore.
If you want to be gay fine but dont come push your gay crap on me with your gay pride parades and everything else. keep it to yourself.
If the App actually worked, it would wipe out Apple in a single day.
Deodra you’re obviously lying. There’s no way you’re a “Conservative Christian”. 15 year old children? Go to church and repent for your own thoughts. Unbelievable.
Actually, I am a conservative Christian. Have you ever been around the world? I have been to several first and third-world countries where it’s the norm. Only since the early-to-mid 1900’s have teenagers been deemed “children” so-to-speak. In Zambia and most other African countries, a 15-year old “girl” would be considered a woman and would likely have children. Are we to say that this is “wrong”? No, we do not have that liberty. You see, it’s all about perspective. So, stop belittling others for something you CHOOSE to hold as an idea. What I say is true and is backed up by fact. Up until “recently” when a girl’s body was capable of bearing children she was considered a woman and an adult. Fact. How old do you think Mary was when she bore Jesus? Nope, not the twenty-something most seem to think she was. She was a young teen, more than likely, based upon history. Chill out, mate.
Dude. Well summed up – “more than likely”. Anyway, who cares about around the world – this is Amerrrrrrrrica. Peddle your pro-pedophilia agenda elsewhere. Chill out, brosauce
LOL. Yeah, trying to stay honest. We can’t know how old she was– the only thing we have to base it on is standard tradition of the day.
Anyway, totally not pro-pedophilia. It’s certainly not my cup of tea, but was commenting based upon what I was reading. There’s certainly a lot of ill-will in this thread.
I’m happy you pointed this out, too. Most people on this thread seem to equate U.S. law with morality, which is really strange. It takes two seconds to realize how arbitrary 18 is for ‘the age of consent’. Why is someone not able to consent at 17 years, 364 days? Or, say one person is alive for an extra leap year; that would mean the person reached the same number of days as someone a few years old was, but the 18th birthday would fall one day later.
Whatever, thanks for pointing this out. It’s absolutely not pro-pedophilia to note that 18 is an arbitrary age of consent and that it is not the equivalent of a moral codification.
I had high hopes that Apple would leave this app alone. If homosexuals or those sympathetic to homosexuals are offended by the app they are not forced to buy it.
Instead the militant wing of the homosexual community show their own brand of intolerance by trashing anything that does not fall in line with their “You must be accepting of the homosexual lifestyle” vision. Bullying and intolerance are not owned solely by those who find homosexuality as deviant. Those on the homosexaul side of the argument can be just as intolerant by disregarding or demonizing those who peacefully disagree. Their bullying of Apple, Chick Fil’A, and Target are prime examples.
It’s a pity that Apple gave up an opportunity to show that they are champions of free speech and freedom of thought.
This article is full of smoke and mirrors. I have read it several times trying to understand precisely what was going on that was “bigoted” and “hateful” to the LGBT community. To me, it’s as clear as mud, all I can understand from it explicitly is that it was removed by Apple.
It is really poorly written, and the ensuing “ignorance fight” that occurs in the comments is equally confusing. Two ignorant people from opposite sides arguing solves nothing, you might as well argue with a fence post.
And just to feed the trolls on here, there is no such thing as Christ-centered monogamous gay relationships. It’s, um, specifically and explicitly anti-Biblical, therefore there cannot be any involvement of the personal character of Christ in their behavior. Don’t be mad at me, it’s just what the scripture says in many places in both old and new testaments. To sum up, if you’re going to monogamously gay, that’s your decision, but don’t make yourself a hypocrite and try to fool the world into thinking that you are honoring Christ with your monogamous gay relationship. It’s character masochism.
Romans Chapter 1… these LGBT fanatics have definitely been handed over to their depraved minds…. In spite of that, I say Thank you, Lord, for giving grace to the humble and resisting the proud. Thank you for saving me and providing for my family, and thank you for giving us Your word so we’ll know how to live for You when the militant LGBT folks prove that this world has gone to pot.
Deodra,
Two things…You are not a 15 yr old Christian. Nice try.
Second, age of consent is not a “western” idea. Go to Saudi Arabia and have sex with a 15 yr old. You will come home in a bag.
Never said I was a 15-year old Christian. BTW, I have a 16-year old friend that LIVES in Saudi Arabia and she’s about to wed a 30-something year old man. She does not live in a city proper. She’s in the bush, as-it-were. One of my friends and her family that now live in the UK is from Iran and the same thing is true. Those that live the old way of life that’s been virtually the same for over a thousand years see that when a body is able to bear children you are an adult. Do some anthropology research.
Deodra, to clarify, you’re no Christian…of any age. your views give you away. As part of the marriage rite in Islam, the girl is checked to assure virginity is intact. If not, she goes home in a bag. If she does anything sexual outside of marriage,….the bag.
The age of consent is what ever your father, the seller, says it is. The girl, and often the boy, have no say. There have been some highly publicised Honor killings in the news recently that are carried out if the girl steps out of line. Learn to read the paper and, for the first time in your life, do some bible research. What with you being a Christian and all.
I, for one, would like to say…Who gives a sh!t?
My comments, btw, do not condone crimes. Consent is consent. I say this not just in the idea of consent with a lawful minor, but in orientation.
I do not agree with homosexuality, but I do not hate homosexuals and am friends with many. We have zero right to hate or belittle them.
The question is not you personally comfortable you are with homosexuals, Deborah. The question is why did Apple pull an app that offered those who wanted to change their orientation the information and chance to do so? Did it qualify as “hateful” and “intolerant” to have such an app as that? I would say that anyone who had a chance to download the app and read it for themselves would be hard pressed to find anything of that sort. Like I said, there a lot of gay apps there that offend me that I would never download. Why can the gay activists have the same consideration?
Lol on Deborah. 🙂
I agree with you that it’s not about personal feelings. Honestly, I think it was the wrong move for Apple to bend to pressure to remove an app that about 1% of the populace had an issue with. It would have been better had they let it alone and allowed their users to make the decision to download it or not.
So basically, the homosexual community can shove their sense of “morality” down our throats after shoving it in our face because they have the backing of the government. No intrinsic value just the same “Might makes right” argument.
Homosexuals can’t reproduce another homosexual. Just because you adopt, raise or through artificial insemination can produce a child doesn’t mean they are homosexuals. So homosexual classification is based on nothing more than behavio(u)r/lifestyle.
So, if me being of asian descent ACT BLACK does that mean I’m black? And what behavio(u)r constitutes being “black”? Oh, wait, you’re not black because of the things your do but because of your physical features which cannot be altered except by surgery. Looks like I’m out of luck unless I want to foot the bill for the face transplant.
FACT 1: Most states don’t allow homosexuals to adopt any child under the age of 8, and many don’t allow ANY adoption whatsoever. A child of 8+ knows homosexuality is wrong, hence why they do not even consider it.
FACT 2: Most Reproductive Doctors will not “assist” homosexual or lesbian “couples” by choice.
PUTTING AN END TO THIS CONVERSAION WE’RE HAVING HERE:
Ask yourself one simple question: “Why are homosexuals banned from donating blood in American and most western countries?”
Don’t believe me? Go to CDC, FDA websites or just visit a local blood bank and when they ask if you are gay.. and they will… tell them yes… and watch how fast they escort you out of the building.
Our Government and our collective medical communitiy all agree: Homosexuals are filth.
Hey… I don’t come to that conclusion… don’t blame me.. it is what it is.
Well said Cap’n. Filth is filth.
What rationale can you have when you think that playing in your boyfriends poop is sexy?
Go Apple, down with the haters!
I’m gay and suffer from fecal incontinence. I don’t need a “gay cure” just my sphincter back 🙂
BTW i didn’t “choose” to lose my ability to hold my waste.
Apple rocks – let the revolution march on…
Dog bless you, Kenny! Hey, I see you’re feeling a lot more chipper after that bought of anal cancer followed by that liver transplat you had due an infected load of Aunt may’s nut butter filled with Hep C.
Congrats!
“Homosexuality is not a behavior. As proven and documented by the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association.”
BTW, how did they prove that with all the fake propaganda science studies like the GAY gene that never existed. So then answer my question.
“Where do GAY babies come from?”
I go to a hospital and look in the nursery and see boys in blue and girls in pink, I have yet to find a purple or rainbow colored onesies.
Ouch! HAHAHA! Good point, cam….
Homosexuality used to be in the DSM until the late 70’s when political pressure had it removed. Had it stayed in the DSM, treatments could have been developed [and some in the religious community have proven successful] that would keep these people from a) having an avg life span of 50 years, b) disease prone, c) cancer prone, d) redicule, e) transgression into pedophila (43% of all homosexuals are also pedophiles… not my number…. look it up yourself).
Homosexuality is a disease like alcoholism and is often approached with treatments that are similar… the “12-step program” if you will (“My name is Joe, it’s been 24 hours since I sucked a $#$#”)… You get my point….
Just a couple miles away from me is a kosher deli. I want to go in there and put up signs that say you can be cured of Judaism through the healing power of Christ. Are they required to put up the signs? Think hard. And if your answer is “no,” as it should be, then perhaps you’ll understand why Apple has the right to block an anti-gay app.
OK, while I agree that Apple has the right to include/exclude whatever apps it wants, consider this:
A few miles from me is a grocery store that puts up flyers for various community things. Someone goes there and puts up a sign that says “Help us overcome our addiction to chocolate.” The store has no problem with it, and it’s not hurting anyone. A few people who want to overcome their addiction to chocolate go. A few other people think it’s ridiculous that anyone could even posit giving up chocolate as a possibility. They complain and complain to the store, even though the meeting isn’t going to hurt them at all, but the store, scared of how vitriolic they are, chooses to take the flyer down. Were the chocolate addicts in the right to silence a view they disagreed with?
If your answer is ‘no,’ as it should be, then perhaps you’ll understand why developers whose apps have already been cleared by Apple and are only intended for those who CHOOSE them should not be subjected to bullying by those who simply disagree with the app’s premise.
Ahem. Kids don’t bully other kids for liking chocolate. You can’t be fired from a job for liking chocolate. Being a chocolate addict won’t get you thrown out of your parents’ house. Chocolate addicts don’t end up dying in the snow tangled on a barbed wire fence because anti-chocolate thugs beat them and left them there. The entire world isn’t trying to convince you that you’re an abomination of God for liking chocolate. There are no groups devoted to seeking out and “correcting” chocolate addicts. Keep perspective.
“Bundle of Twigs” religion wins this one but hey, what did you expect? If Apple was owned by a bunch of Catholics, this would be the other way around. Just keep living your “lifestyle” so you call can die at the ancient age of 42.
I know that when i receive my partner it is NOT behavior! I was born to receive his member. I wish that i was “born a top” instead of being “born a bottom” . Tops are less likely to get anal warts.
Apple bottom 🙂
I think the first post makes a valid point about comparing homosexuality to necrophiliacs, ect. I have a friend who is unfortunately turned on by the sight of guro. For those of you who don’t know what guro is it is basically gore hentai. He doesn’t know why he likes it but he does. Sometimes what we find sexually attractive does not fit in to social norms. There is no reason to force what you believe on someone else unless it harms someone else, emotionally or physically. If the LGBT is going to advocate that they deserve equal rights they should fight for those who want to walk around with sex dolls and make out with them in public. Or the zoophiliacs who want to do it with their animals. They aren’t about equal rights. They are about putting themselves up above everyone else because they see their cause as a righteous crusade the EXACT same way the Christians did during theirs in the medieval middle east.
Pedophilia is wrong because you are taking the innocence of a child. There is no way to condone this act, but at the same time it is quite possible that some of those who are pedophiles are born that way.
WTF. pedos are born that way. 1st its gays now its pedos what other crap will the left push on us. So back to my 1st question looking a a newborn innocent baby, if he is born that way, how would I know. Suppose I was for abortion like the left advocates, and I knew the baby was GAY or a PEDO, then maybe I would exercise my reproductive right and save that child from a nightmare of a life. So please tell me before I have kids, “HOW DO I TELL THE DIFFERENCE?”
I know straight people, born straight. I know gay people born gay. I know bisexual people, born bisexual. One lesbian I know tried over and over again to be with guys, but it didn’t make her happy. One lesbian I know was a prostitute for men and abusive sex in her chosen “career”, so she started dating more emotionally sensitive people and she found herself in a very happy lesbian relationship. My mother knows 2 lesbians who have been “life-partners” for over 40 years, better than most straight couples. Sexuality is not black and white, it is a continuum of fluid ideas and behaviors. Men in prison may not be gay, but will engage in homosexual acts. What responsible adult people do behind closed doors is their business, and I don’t want every detail of anyone’s sex acts. I don’t like seeing anyone groping each other in public. Get a room please. Try mounting a camera in my bedroom and see how far that will go. Will there be new regulations on acceptable forms of sexual activity. The only threat to straight sexuality, is straight sexuality. If gay people and straight people would see each other as people and realize the Supreme Being doesn’t hate a particular group of people. There are good and bad people in every group. Do no harm and love each other as people. It’s really the only way to solve these issues.
From Exodus Int: we don’t do “ex-gay therapy.” The app is a resource app that pulled in many of our online resources including blog posts, announcements, event information and even a powerful article against bullying.
Also, we do not label ourselves “ex-gay” but identify as Christians who have had or have same sex attractions. Our goal is to live out our lives congruent with our faith. Exodus is here to help those with similar beliefs to do the same.
It’s a shame that Apple caved but rest assured, the reality of our lives, beliefs and message will continue to boldly and lovingly go forward.
Exodus International:
It is a shame that Apple caved. If what you’re saying is true, it’s the kind of thing we NEED to help some of us get past our Godless desires, no matter what shape they take.
It is a sickness. We are designed to love a person of the opposite sex. Many people have left being gay and are happily married now. If God wanted us to be gay we would have had adam and steve not adam and eve. Its perverting the natural laws.
But this article is not about why people are gay but the fact that people took the app away.
Ironically, there seems to be plenty of room for applications like the Gay/Lesbian News Reader, HRC Buying for Workplace Equality Guide, Jack’d gay “social network,” Grindr “gay, bi & curious guy finder,” or Gay Dance Radio. What about the millions of Americans who are offended by those apps? Would 146,000 signatures be enough to rid iTunes of them? For an industry that is supposedly on the cutting edge, it’s shocking that Apple would be a part of any movement whose goal is gagging free speech–the very foundation of the mainstream media. It’s an amazing double standard, but hardly a new double standard where Apple is concerned. Last November, the same company booted the Manhattan Declaration from its store because it held to a biblical worldview of marriage. (Of course, Apple made no secret of its agenda in 2008 when it donated $100,000 to defeat Proposition 8.) In this instance, all Exodus does is offer compassion and help for people who choose to seek it. No one is forcing homosexuals to download the application and change their lifestyle. And now, Apple has decided that even customers who want help won’t get it! How sympathetic is that?
This is about silencing anything and anyone who challenges homosexuality. Americans need to wake up and realize that religious liberty is heading in the same direction as Exodus’s app–toward extinction! In this environment, it doesn’t matter what the facts are. If they contradict the homosexual agenda, the Left will do everything it can to muzzle them. Our form of democracy will not long survive if the freedom of speech and religion are lost.
Meanwhile, liberals are on a crusade to end bullying–when the biggest bullies are the ones in their own movement! Decisions like Apple’s are rooted in the same anti-Christian prejudice that’s led to the Left’s persecution of donors, businesses, voters, churches, and even students. What do you call 146,000 people ganging up on a company because they don’t like someone else’s point of view? Bullies! They have to resort to intimidation because they know the rest of the country isn’t with them. They also know that if they had to debate conservatives out in the open on issues like marriage and morality, they’d lose!
How about this jason: why don’t you vote with your wallet? If you are so offended by Apple’s decision, why don’t you vote with your wallet? Sell your Apple products, if you own any, and see to it that they never see another dime from you.
Simple i dont buy Apple products because of how i love or hate Apple as a company. They make awesome products and considering the only alternative is windows. NO THANK YOU! Microsoft is no better. I dont know their stance on something like this but i do know they have done allot of other things i disagree with. However i love my iphone, my ipad and my iMac and i wont replace them. BUT doesnt mean i have to agree with Apple.
Besides you really think that a few people saying we wont buy apple products over this would make a difference? Android sure it might but with Apple gosh half the world would have to something and give up Apple.
I agree with you Jason.
Liberals are bullies. They are usually the protesters. Ironically, it is the Conservatives who for the most part fought and died to give the liberals the right to protest, the right to speak their mind. The liberals are always so busy demonizing anyone who doesn’t agree with them! Of course they don’t want the app – it goes against their beliefs. My question is simple – there are lots of things I don’t agree with – I simply don’t buy them. MSNBC? I don’t watch it. Mainstream Media? I don’t buy it. Bill Maher? I don’t watch him. I don’t demand that MSNBC be taken off the air, I don’t seek the Huffington Post or NYT to be closed and Bill Maher is free to spread his hate to anyone who still listens to him. On the other hand, the liberals insist on having the App removed from the store. They truly make me sick
Lot’s of things in the app store that I don’t agree with an ignore.
I won’t however, ignore something that t hateful and bigoted. The exodus group claim to offer “freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ” and use scare tactics, misinformation, stereotypes and distortions of LGBT life to recruit clients. They endorse the use of so-called “reparative therapy” to “change” the sexual orientation of their clients, despite the fact that this form of “therapy” has been rejected by every major professional medical organization including the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association. But reparative therapy isn’t just bad medicine — it’s also very damaging to the self-esteem and mental health of its victims.
There is a difference. But no point in arguing anymore as Apple already did the right thing and removed the app.
🙂
Typical liberals – the don’t like a critical point of view, so they demand it be erased! Eliminate ALL opposing points of view – let the liberal agenda be unchallenged!
If you wish to be a homosexual, if you support homosexuals’ rights, if this type of app repulses you – then heres a thought…..DONT BUY THE APP! I don’t like the KKK. I don’t like radical islamic extremists. I’m not particularly fond of eggplant. Therefore, I do not bring these things into my life. However, I am not a liberal. When a liberal doesn’t like something, they want it eliminated from the world.
The following was copied from: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2368989/posts
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy them. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, they want them outlawed!
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t` eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. If a liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a person of color is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed. If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in labor and then sues.
And now we add this – if a conservative sees an app from i-phone against homosexuality and doesn’t agree with it, he doesn’t buy it. If a liberal see the App – they collect signatures and put political pressure on Apple until it is eliminated from the Apple Store.
Liberals make me sick
A little bit of a blanket description but it is pretty true.
You missed this one: “If a conservative sees two men being affectionate in public, he often takes steps to stop it, even by physical force if necessary, and may not stop until one (or both) of them is dead. If a liberal sees a man and woman being affectionate in public, they don’t care.”
Your reply is baseless and ignorant. I am conservative and have family members (through marraige) who are homosexual. Personally, I don’t believe it is a choice, I believe they were born that way. There is no problems. To each their own. You miss the point – it is not about eliminating homosexuality. It’s about the difference between conservatives and liberals when they don’t agree with a point of view. Liberals have a tendency to force their views on everyone else. Forcing Apple to pull this App shows the weakness and intolerance of the liberal point of view. How is it any different from forcing a library to pull a book the liberals don’t agree with? Conservatives simply say, if you don’t like it, don’t buy the App.
True. Strong and bitter actions indicate a weak case. There must be something about “homosexuality” the gay mafia is trying to hide. Truth be told, “homophobia” is actually the fear of the truth about homosexuality getting out. Let not the story of homosexuality be told by those who are in the death grip of its addictive and self-destructive nature. Censorship will not stand. You cannot censor liberty from the bondage of homosexuality. Sorry, get used to the “ex-gay” movement. It is not only right but it is a civil-right.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward.
WOOO HOOO!!
One by one the right wing religious zealots and bigots are losing!!
I just love reading the fear and panic in some of these posts!
THANK YOU and AMEN to APPLE!!
Sounds like all of you people need to get a job.
I am a “pig bottom” one night i was at a circuit “bug chaser” party. I even wondered did i decide to have these guys ram-rod me, or was a destined via DNA to serially take johnson?
After the fourth big $%^&, i knew that it had to be genetics.
Now i am part of a minority group like, blacks.
They did not CHOOSE to be colored, I did NOT CHOOSE to take johnson up my butt.
Who would choose to like FISTING?
I was BORN this way.
Hysterical candor. What is “genetic” is man’s sin nature. You keep going back for the big fisting for the same reason a junkie and a drunk goes back to the self-destructive drink and drug even though he knows it is killing him not because it is in their DNA but because they have a sin nature and have acted upon it and joined in with it to the point of addiction. The good news is that there is a way out, IF YOU CHOOSE IT. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6 And do not be discouraged by the task of seeking Jesus and sometimes falling back into sin, there is cause for great hope. Jesus is MARRIED TO THE BACKSLIDER. HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU. “Turn, O backsliding children, said the LORD; for I am married to you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:” Jeremiah 3:14 Alleluia!
The people at Apple are a bunch of cowards for caving to this group. Gays are about 1-2% of the population (Kinsey lied). Lets risk offending the rest of the population to appease them. I’m NOT buying Apple products as a result
So you’re saying that the gay lisp that most gay men have is genetic… or is it a learned trait? And as for evolution of our species: How would a trait like homosexuality possibly come to be an expressed trait of the modern human if the trait inhibits reproduction? It seems to me that homosexuality is a learned trait, either through social stigma, sexual abuse, and quite often for acceptance.
Yes, homosexuality is genetic.. Every era, every generation, from B.C. to modern day. It is not learned behavior, it is inherent. The sole purpose of man is not just pro-creation.
Here are just a few famous homosexuals who are known for things other than pro-creation.
Alexander the Great, Socrates, Lord Byron, Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde, Andy Warhol, Michelangelo , Leonardo Da Vinci, Tchaikovsky, E.M. Forster, Julius Caesar, Harvey Milk, Melissa Ethridge, Cole Porter, Frederick the Great, James Baldwin… just to name a few.
So how is the lisp a genetic trait? I’m confused to your response. Just because there are homosexuals that have greatly contributed to history does not mean that homosexuality is not a learned trait. If the sole purpose of man is not pro-creation then what is it? And who gives man that purpose?
I never said a lisp is a genetic trait, I said homosexuality is a genetic trait.
There are many purposes for man to exist. The majority will pro-create, few will be leaders, some will be artists, some will do both, some will be unable to procreate, some will choose not to procreate. Some will be gay..
And as for evolution of our species: How would a trait like homosexuality possibly come to be an expressed trait of the modern human if the trait inhibits reproduction? If the sole purpose of man is not pro-creation then what is it? And who/what gives man that purpose? In my line of work, I’ve learned that it is inherently the main evolutionary objective of all species to reproduce and thus survive. Just saying.
…doesn’t mean we won’t some day. That’s what science is. They have more and more data about homosexuality, and the more they learn, the more they’ll apply that data in the quest for relevancy in evolution. And just because science hasn’t got an explanation for it yet doesn’t mean it does not serve an evolutionary need.
There is no “sole” purpose. There are many purposes for man to exist. The majority will pro-create, a minority won’t, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other purposes for life.
Lot’s of people both gay and straight do extraordinary things with their lives and never pro-create.
So we shouldn’t discredit God from the science debate just because what we don’t know yet doesn’t mean we won’t some day? I’m not really sure who or what you mean when you say “they” and their “data.” You usually have to find a definite genetic correlation to a trait before you look for evolutionary relevance. So we’re back to square 1… there is no genetic correlation that has been found.
Genetic, my a##.
If it is genetic, you got if from your parents or grandparents or great grandparents, etc.
in case you weren’t aware, all of those folks had heterosexual sex.
That’s how you got here, buddy.
Hey Mikey,
You’re a liar and you know it. The Human Genome Project is finished and NO Homo Gene was found. Au Contraire, they have now PROVEN that sticking ones genitals in anuses is a learned trait and has NO Genetic origin whatsoever. You know this and you’re lying. You must still support Obama too, no doubt. Liars like to hang together, so we observe.
There is no “purpose.” We don’t have a reason, or a destiny, or a fate. We just evolved into highly-developed primates is all. Man gives himself purpose.
I agree with your last statement to an extent. There are men who derive their purpose from men… but not all. A world with no destiny, fate, reason or purpose would be a very sad one for anyone to live in. I was just very surprised that MikeK thought man had purpose and wanted an explanation as to where he thinks that purpose is derived from.
It *is* a sad world in which we live. I trust you’ll understand I can list any number of instances wherein man has acted abominably.
There is not one scintilla of evidence to support your big lie about homosexuality being genetic nor being an immutable trait. ZERO. If there is evidence, please sight your evidence. (Insert cricket sound here.) Lying will not further your position in fact lying is what gets so called “gays” in the fix they are in.
Of course there is. Ask any genealogist and they will confirm it. Much evidence has been found, little has been brought forth into the public because it disproves the foundation of so many religious beliefs.
Not to mention that it’s not just humans. There scientific evidence and finds on Lesbian geese, gay dolphins, gay apes. go ahead google it.
Sorry… but that is a load of crap. MSNBC and the like are frothing at the mouth for any indisputable evidence that there is a genetic link. There has not been any credited or published work approved showing chromosomal correlations.
Mike – you are desperate, dude. Ok – you are a homo. But you chose it.
And you’re trying to tell us that you can be queer because a dolphin or goose or ape is? Bwahahahahahaha!
Ok – if that’s the way your brain works, what do you say to the father who decides he is going to kill and eat his newborn son because he is a threat to his dominion? After all, we see this in nature so it’s okay for people too, right?
Mike must be schooled in the Marxist technique of repeating the big lie until it is perceived as truth. The problem is that the very truth still stands in testimony against the big lie. Keep repeating it if it makes you feel better but you are only fooling yourself. PS: Did I mention that EX-GAY IS A CIVIL RIGHT? (Get used to it)
I will leave this argument with a few lines from Steve Jobs manifesto and the knowledge and satisfaction of knowing that “We Won.” Deal with it. 🙂
Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward.
Mike… please show empirical evidence. The GNOME Project has shown NO homosexual gene.
That proves it’s a CHOICE.
Just like the choice to murder children is a choice.
Ok Mike – step away from the “conspiracy theories” and keep your hands where we can see them.
LOL! You have been very vocal and made several well thought out points in your never ending input on this site….but – seriously?!?!? The Conservative Genealigists of America (we’ll call them the CGA – is that good???) have encrypted reams and reams of documents with 256 bit encryption protocols to protect the Church and hold from the world the knowledge that homosexuality has been definitively proven to be DNA related vs choice???? Really? Is that the very best you can do Mike?
Are you trying to be the Glen Beck of the liberals? (Don’t get me wrong, I love Glen Beck – but many people accuse him of spreading too many conspiracy theories)……This is so funny…..
Thanks for putting a smile on my face so late at night – time to go to bed…..and wonder <> about what really, REALLY is going on in Area 51……clearly, its populated by conservative genealogists plotting to keep the world in the stone ages.
Also – I believe there is talk about lesbian geese laying lesbian eggs, of gay apes eating bananna’s while listening to Cher and gay dolphins blissfully swimming in sequin lined pools …. all housed withing the Area 51 Grounds, again – protected by those evil conservative geneologists.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA
Deep breath, wipe tears away
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Genealogist????? Mike K…..Mikey…….the Mike Man……the Mike-aroni and cheese-ster……….C’mon!!!!!!!! Secret-keeping Genealogists? Lesbian Geese? Gay Dolphins? C’mon Mike…..get a good night’s sleep and come out with something a bit better than the genealogists who plot to keep knowledge from the world.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
CAN’T STAND IT…..STILL LAUGHING
Conservative genealogists hiding knowledge from the world?
Lesbian Geese?
Gay Apes?
I’m on the floor kicking and convulsing in laughter……
I can just picture a smoke-filled room full of conservative genealogists, all dressed up in white lab coats kibitzing about how they were going to “bury the truth” until the world could handle it…..
Sorry – it just hits my funny bone squarely….
WTF does a conservative genealogist look like Mike? Damn those conservative genealogists….never did trust them anyways!
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Please supply the weblink that shows empirical evidence that there is a homosexual gene.
No, it’s not genetic Mike.
Should Reorientation (ex-gay app) Therapy Be Available?
APA Journal Article Says Yes
An article published by the American Psychological Association journal:
“Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training” defends the ethics and effectiveness of sexual reorientation therapy.
The paper is entitled “Ethical Issues In Attempts To Ban Reorientation Therapies,” by Mark A. Yarhouse, Psy.D. of Regent University and Warren Throckmorton, Ph.D. of Grove City College.
The article’s published abstract reads as follows:
The purpose of this article is to identify the ethical issues in efforts to ban reorientation therapies. The 3 primary arguments cited in the literature in favor of such a ban are discussed: (a) homosexuality is no longer considered a mental illness, (b) those who request change do so because of internalized homophobia, and (c) sexual orientation is immutable.
The authors present three arguments in favor of providing reorientation and related services: (a) respect for the autonomy and self-determination of persons, (b) respect for valuative frameworks, creeds, and religious values regarding the moral status of same-sex behavior, and (c) service provision given the scientific evidence that efforts to change thoughts, behaviors, and feeling-based sexual orientation can be successful.
Psychotherapy: Theory/Research/Practice/Training, Vol. 39, No. 1, 66-75, Copyright 2002 by the Educational Publishing Foundation. (http://www.apa.org/journals/copyrite.html)
This is just another example of gay activism at Apple to repress the fact that MOST gays are racked with depression and that suicide is rampant among them as they deny their own conscience. So an app to help these people is a necessity, but not if you are a gay activist working at Apple. The ex-gay app is considered “homophobic”.
Bingo! Shove that in your APA, MikeK.
Click to access therapeutic-response.pdf
Read it!
And I quote:
“Available online at http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/
Printed copies available from:
Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns Office”
BWAHAAHAHAAA! LGBT Concerns Office? Gee, that doesn’t sound partisan and non-political at all!
I have a better solution. How about the Christian and religious community who know about this issue do 2 things:
1. Get a bigger petition drive against IPOD
2. Boycott Apple, get rid of their product and learn to put their action where their words are… ALl this bantering gets us no where.
The homosexual community only represents 1-5% of the entire population. You would swear they were king kong the way such a small percentage of the population has such big sway.
Yeah, that’d go over well.
“”WE DEMAND YOU ADD THE HATEFUL, BIGOTED, HARMFUL AND DANGEROUS EXODUS APP BACK TO THE APP STORE, OR ELSE WE”LL BOYCOTT YOUR PRODUCTS.””
LOL.. you’re a moron.
Talk about intolerant! Man, the gay/lebsbian and bi-sexual community is militant about not allowing any other points of view or even letting those in their own community consider a different lifestyle. Shame on them!
Bingo – liberalism is great….as long as you agree with them. As a rule, liberals are intolerant. They are also hypocritical. Honestly, they are a joke. Ever notice that liberals always think they’re the smartest people in the room? Ever notice how often liberals look down on other people who don’t agree with them. Ever notice their tendency to attribute anyone’s disagreement with their point of view as simple “ignorance”……”If he/she only had the mental capacity to understand the liberal’s point, they would also agree….”. They truly make me sick – they are a sickness that has and continues to hurt this country. Intolerant – I challenge anyone to find anyone less tolerant than a liberal.
Good Lord, people. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Stop forcing us to abide by your views. You want tolerance, but you are preventing it with every act!
No one should have to tolerate or learn to ignore bigotry.
What does that even mean?
I’m gay, Mike. IT IS NOT BIGOTRY. You just choose to label it that way because YOU do not agree with a different point of view. You’re an idiot. Open your mind like you preach to others and accept THAT EVERYONE thinks differently.
I’m sorry, but An app that promises to “cure” homosexuality through Jesus Christ by an anti-homosexual religious group by using techniques that have been discounted and deemed dangerous by every modern medical and psychological group is, plain and simple: bigotry.
What will poor Mike do when he finds out that there are atheists who believe in turning from the addiction of “homosexuality”? I guess he will be left alone with his glaring anti-Christian bigotry. There are Jewish groups and Islamic groups as well who will minister to people suffering same-sex attraction but ONLY Christ offers the way to redemption and total renewal and re-birth. I guess that is why Mike has expressed an extra-special hatred and bias toward the Christian groups since he KNOWS that there IS a way out and therefore he CHOOSES “homosexuality” and gay apologetics. That’s ok Mike. You can’t crucify Christ again, that has been done and He forgave His persecutors. In the meantime Mike, keep worshipping the created rather than the creator and it will keep you in the second class phylum that you find comfort in.
@MikeK
You are a left wing kook who has no foundation to argue upon. Your argument remains that no one in the gay community might want to be straight. Are you “pro-choice” buddy? Or only when it comes to killing babies? You people speak from both sides of your mouth… whichever way serves your agenda best. You’re right when you say that “no one should have to tolerate”…. as in I shouldn’t have to tolerate my child’s 5th grade teacher talking about his sexual orientation.
The only reason someone might “want to be straight” is if they are taught that they are not okay being the way they are born.
We need to teach gay and lesbian teens who are struggling with their sexual identity that there is nothing wrong with the way they are. It’s all about education, teaching self esteem and learning to love ourselves and others for our similarities and our differences.
LGBT teens who experience negative feedback from their family and friends are 8 times more likely to have attempt suicide and 6 times as vulnerable to severe depression.
The so called “therapy” that the exodus group teaches to try and “change” the sexual orientation of their clients, has been rejected by every major professional medical organization including the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association. But reparative therapy isn’t just bad medicine — it’s also very damaging to the self-esteem and mental health of its victims.
It doesn’t belong in the app store.
The good thing is. It’s been removed.
I believe that Apple has every right to remove the app as a private company. It is also the right of private organizations mentioned above. I do not believe any public entity has the right to subjectively remove such an option for readily reproductively able human beings that might be confused. There is no concrete science behind born predisposition to sexual preference.
But the better thing is so many ‘ex-gays’ and reasonable gay people have come out of the closet and give substantive comments to the topic. Unlike your cut and paste ranting.
You are saying that I’m cutting and pasting? Ranting? Or mikek?
Mikek. Read his posts. He’s using the same paragraph over and over again, trying to brainwash us…even when it’s been proven flawed or false.
That is about the most stupid thing on this entire thread I have read thus far. You make MikeK look logical. The fact that you cannot address the questions I posted is a testament to your ineptness. You can’t even spell your name correctly WILL!
Dear Cherry,
Please calm down and learn to follow the thread structure of a WordPress comment section. And please don’t tell me how I should spell my name. It is my name after all.
I think it says a lot about MDN (and nothing good) that they’ve allowed a lot of these comments to stand.
No one’s forcing you to stick around and read them. Just like no one’s forcing you to download Exodus’ app.
Cheers.
Totally… how could you argue your point with free speech allowed?
I get as disappointed at Christians as I do the vocally sinful when these “debates” break out. Christians who judge sinners are themselves sinners. James said as much…
3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,” 4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
At the same time, sinful behavior is wrong and the sinner should be made aware of that sin in a humble and loving way. Where is the love is my question.
I feel that God would want his people to advocate protection from sin for their children. I do not agree with judging the man. There is a fine line between acceptance of the sinner and acceptance of the sin.
Apple is no different to every other organization who has bowed to gay political pressure.
The American Psychiatric Association’s well-known removal of
homosexuality from its list of mental disorders was done because of political pressures, the overall influence of the sexual revolution, and problematic humanitarian motives. Now homosexuals who seek treatment for their condition are often denied help by psychologists and psychiatrists.
All three great pioneers of psychiatry—Freud, Jung and Adler—saw homosexuality as disordered. Yet today, homosexuality is not to be found in the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.
Were these three great pioneers just reflecting the ignorance and prejudice of their times? Is this radical shift due to our modern-day enlightened, sophisticated attitude? Has there been any new research to account for this shift of opinion?
No new psychological or sociological research justifies this shift.
Research did not settle the question. Research simply stopped, and it is politics that has silenced the professional dialogue.
Now, the only studies on homosexuality are from an
advocacy perspective.
Militant gay advocates working in a small but forceful network have caused apathy and confusion within our society. They insist that acceptance of the homosexual as a person cannot occur without endorsement of the homosexual condition.
Intellectual circles too—who are self-conscious about sounding intolerant—proclaim homosexuality as normal, yet it is still not so for the average person for whom it “just doesn’t seem right.”
Said very truthfully and very well smackdaily.
I am gay, but celibate. I am sure my homosexual orientation will never go away, but I can learn to live with it like any unhealthy addiction to alcohol, food or drugs. I don’t feel dirty or less for my gay feelings, but I love myself enough to know that acting on them will not make me happier. Gay people, whether they admit it or not, are longing for acceptance from their same sex, usually thru a failed relationship with their same sex parent. As adults, that yearning for acceptance unfortunately turns sexual. I am not an app user, but I can only see this Exodus app as a good thing. They are only trying to make lives happier and more fulfilling.
Religious people are not all bigots. What do you call these people forcing apple to take down this app? They seem as hateful about anything as anyone. If you dont like the app well then dont download it. Funny how all these other apps that are pro gay can stay up but heaven forebid if someone wants to help someone overcome something they get their app pulled.
If there was an app to make people become gay you can guarantee it would stay up.
To be gay is against human nature its wrong and its immorale and its sick. Homosexuals are the ones who brought aids here in the first place. Aids runs rampet among the Gay community much more so then in hetrosexual.
The problem i have with gays is they refuse to let anyone have any other point of view. They think they can have parades and other things but if a christian rally is held in town they will boycot it. Did the rally have the right to be there? yes. Did they ask anyone to go round up the Gay people and bring them down NO.
But because they might have a different view they get condemed.
Id much rather have a relationship with Jesus knowing some day i have a place to go then to always wonder hmm what if. WHAT IF what the bible says is true? How can millions of people living the majority of the population and millions throughout history be wrong?
maybe they are and maybe they lived a life loving others and praising a God who doesnt exist and for 1 hour a week or so they went to Church.
There is no 2nd chances. So i tell you id rather be wrong on this side and live my life doing good things rather then the other side and be wrong that there really was a God afterall.
Each person must choose but in the end i honestly cant see how anyone can think we all just poof came about. And religion aside free speech is being censored here. But if apple was being fair then they would take down all the gay apps too.
All of this is moot for Islam is projected to dominate the world. Those edgy bearded folks don’t take too kindly to queers and other deviant behavior. Allah Akbar! Allah Akbar!
Why do gays always have to tell us about their feelings? Jesus, get some counseling on where you went wrong and move on. Dice Clay said it best, “Get the F back in the closet!” I’m sick of their whining and perceived bogus injustices.
EX-GAY IS A CIVIL RIGHT.
If Chastity (Now Chaz) Bono can legally change from her (his) naturally selected gender, people who entered into same sex attractions and relationships are equally entitled to change their gender identification back to heterosexual.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, the new “gay activist” = the old Nazi Brown Shirt. This is about censorship and fascism. The “lavender mafia” does not want democratic dialogue and seeks to censor those who PROVE that there is in FACT a way out of the addiction of same-sex attraction. The “hater” lie will not stand.
The numbers of people who formerly identified as “gay” is multiplying exponentially and WE WILL NOT BE STOPPED!
Censor all you want, eventually every expunged or censored word will resound from mountaintop to mountaintop.
Homophobia is really the fear of the truth about homosexuality.
“When fascism comes to America it will be carrying a pink swastika wrapped in a rainbow flag”–Larry Upton Lewis Sinclaire
READ “THE PINK SWASTIKA” You will never think the same way about the lavender Nazis.
haha, funny. next.
I am gay and I am EXTREMELY disappointed with the gay agenda. In NO WAY is Exodus’s message one of hate. I am sick and tired of the gay community, which I distance myself from, act like they’re point of view is always right. They’re the biggest hypocrites of all – NO TOLERANCE regarding ANYONE else’s point of view. Although I’m gay, I SO PREFER to hang around heterosexuals. They’re open-minded and usually practice what they preach.
Oh, you want to know why the gays are winning? Because people are “afraid” to say anything to offend another. Oh, it’s okay that so-and-so is gay because I know them. NO, you have to say something to that person. YOU CAN NOT REMAIN SILENT. This is how the gays are winning, they group, they’re involved, and they’re very bright people. To many people just get complacent and think others will say it’s not right or stand up for what’s right. YOU MUST DO IT! I’m gay and not proud, and I am so sick of the gay community pushing their beliefs on everyone. Yes, they all really are perverts. I mean, look at their dating sites and the photos posted and the weird fetishes. Oh, to all you gays thinking this is a hate message, it’s not. I’M GAY!
No – No – No you’re absolutely not. Nice try though – FAIL!
G.B> and H.P you are arguing two different arguments. The gay lobby has long made the argument that they should be covered under civil right statutes, not because they are concenting adults, but because they are born that way, hence their argument that Exodus is haetful and bigoted. and that they harm gays by trying to “deprogram” them. Two “concenting adults can choose to do all kinds of things together, but that does not require that they be given legal right to force thier choices on others ie. forcing a busines to withdraw an app. or forcing communities to accept gay marriage, or demanding that groups which dissagree with them must change their belief or face hateful scorn, ridicule, and loss of funds. B.T.W. there is not now nor has their ever been any kind of scientific proof that homosexuality is anything other than choice. As to why anyone would choose this lifestyle, I don’t know, why does anyone choose a lifestyle that brings scorn, some choose to steal, some choose to disavow modern conviences, some choose to be hermits, they may choose this and the consequences, for themselves but they have no right to force majority society to accept their behaviors.
If we can just find a cure to homosexuality in the growing fetus, these kinds of social conflicts should be avoided.
I thought the progressives just wanted to abort them? Selective population control right? It’s been pushed before on certain racial groups in America…. I wouldn’t count it out.
I don’t wish those gays harm, but I do hope they can find a cure for their affliction. In my opinion most of them are just weak individuals and easily swayed by the perversion in Hollyweird combined with over PC corporations trying to program people. Sure, gays exist in tiny numbers in history, but the majority are falling to this trend like some fashion. This will pass,even in the top political level where it is so prevalent.
…..spirit of diversity and tolerance that is so valued within the LGBT community…who in the heck are the gay activists kidding???? For gays and their liberal supporters, there is only one point of view allowed, their own or else!!
It just seems like censorship to me
I’ll bet 99% of those signing the petition have never seen the ap and have no idea about what it does. All they have heard is that a “hateful right-wing” group put a “hateful bigotted” app on itunes. Not that I know there is a political litmus test for Apple apps, i will be sure and not buy their products anymore. And I am looking forward to Apple removing hateful left wing apps…ha ha.
Rick – what it is is that they cannot stand the notion that someone could practice homosexuality and then cease such behavior. This notion that they were “born this way” is at the foundation of their whole psyche. To suggest otherwise drives them into rabid convulsions.
The irony in all this is that gays are sure they “were born that way”. So if you are sure you were born that way, then why all the militant homo activities where you need to force it on everybody.
This is proof that you are, in fact, NOT content with your sexuality and you need more and more recognition and more and more homosexuals coming out so that you feel better about yourself, i.e. “safety in numbers”.
For the most part, homosexuals are just guys with voracious sexual appetites who hook up with other guys who can’t control themselves and need to get their r&%ks off as often as possible. It’s a perpetual ride of sexual stimulation. Horny guys pursuing horny guys for sexual satisfaction. In the normal world, men are the pursuers and women make them chase them and prove themselves as true “gentlemen” before they agree to marry them and have sex. In the gay community it’s nothing but a wild, all-you-can-eat sexfest… completely and utterly selfish action.
“For the most part, homosexuals are just guys with voracious sexual appetites who hook up with other guys who can’t control themselves and need to get their r&%ks off as often as possible. It’s a perpetual ride of sexual stimulation. Horny guys pursuing horny guys for sexual satisfaction. In the normal world, men are the pursuers and women make them chase them and prove themselves as true “gentlemen” before they agree to marry them and have sex. In the gay community it’s nothing but a wild, all-you-can-eat sexfest… ”
And you know this how? Facts, please. Citations, anything? Or perhaps your knowledge comes experience? If not then please stop lying and continuing the FUD!
And why is all this talk ONLY about gay men. There are lesbians too, you know. But that thought probably gets y’all straighties off so “it’s okay,” right?
You want some facts??
Here are FACTS from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC):
“Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM)1 represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s. In 2006, MSM accounted for more than half (53%) of all new HIV infections in the United States…”
So gay men represent just 2% of the population yet they make up 53% of all new HIV infections in the U.S. in this particular year. How, you might ask? By having MULTIPLE SEX PARTNERS. That’s what I meant when I said “All-you-can-eat sexfest”.
By the way, lesbians don’t have multiple sex partners and don’t have high rates of HIV infection, if they have any.
Gay men spread their infections all over the gay community through their multiple sex partners and some of these sleep with women with also, introducing HIV into the heterosexual community.
You don’t see a problem with that?
If you want some more facts, there are plenty out there, such as this… http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/promiscuity/
Now, who’s the liar?
Well, FlameBaiterBobP – if you had actually stated those “FACTS” in the manner in which you just did then I probably would’ve responded at all. But you didn’t. Instead you played… flamed me into thinking you’re just a stone-age moron of a man that needed “curing.” You desperately needed someone to respond fiercely to you just so you can feel acknowledged and that maybe just maybe your “opinion” counts for something. You may not be a liar at this moment but you are a sad pathetic little man that knows nothing of creating a civil discourse over highly sensitive matters.
And regardless if lesbians do or do not have multiple sex partners (FYI, there aren’t any documented cases of HIV/AIDS infection from lesbian sex so far.)… that wasn’t the statement I made nor the question I asked. I swear reading comprehension and social skills are severely lacking — hopefully only on this forum — but I have a very sad and bad feeling this might be a National problem! DOG help us ALL!!!
Bob P is echoing Freud’s theory that homosexuality is rooted in the extreme selfishness of narcissism. Oh that Freud..he said so many silly things!
Way off subject people, we’re talking about free speech. While we may or may not agree with the contents of an app, it’s up to consenting adults to choose to download it, not Apple or others who don’t like it. This is why people jailbreak their iPads, they want the CHOICE to decide for themselves.
Actually… as much as I would like to see the app continue on the market… Apple has no obligation to carry the app as a private company. I’m just glad we don’t have an obligation to buy apple products.
Apple is wrong and besides, they are a creepy-ass company. Won’t be buying their Chinese made crap with a 800% mark up.
Of course Apple pulled this app. The guy to replace CEO Steve Jobs named Mr. Cook. Is a known homo-sexual. So this shouldnt be a surprise to anyone.
As a former AT&T executive, I like my iPhone. However, I also liked the freedom of choosing apps that are appropriate and helpful. According to Apple, that would include Playboy, for instance. However, Apple, bending to popular culture, decides to remove an app that provides helpful resources for people of faith — Christians — who struggle with homosexuality and want to resist temptation to honor God, seeking to make their lives more closely resemble what we believe is His intent for us. Next thins you know, Apple will decide that Bible apps just have to go because the Bible is very clear about homosexuality.
If you want resources, at least for now, they are still available on the web, but the shrill and hypocritical pro-gay lobby may eventually bark loud enough to remove them. They will do anything they can to make sure no differeng opinions are heard, resorting to name-calling of Christians as hateful bigots.
Jesus, no doubt, can handle this.
http://www.thomhunter.com
Thom,
You are free to believe what you wish. However, the app in questions was removed because it was deemed harmful and dangerous to a particular group of individuals. The so called “cure” techniques taught by the exodus group have been deemed dangerous and inappropriate by modern medical professionals.
Apple did the responsible thing.
Mike
There is nothing at all “harmful and dangerous” to homosexuals. Might hurt their feelings and bruise their “gay pride”, but that’s about it. Homosexuals need to constantly reconfirm their gayness because most know deep down inside that they made a conscious decision to live this way and they can’t stand the idea that someone could “un-decide” to live as a homosexual. They are hell bent on proving that they DIDN’T decide to live that way.
Okey dokey Bob, why don’t you take your argument to the medical and psychological professionals who deemed it harmful and dangerous.
Exodus’ message is hateful and bigoted. They claim to offer “freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ” and use scare tactics, misinformation, stereotypes and distortions of LGBT life to recruit. They endorse the use of so-called “reparative therapy” to “change” the sexual orientation of their clients, despite the fact that this form of “therapy” has been rejected by every major professional medical organization including the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association.
Dude – you are WAY too wrapped up in your sexuality.
Do you do anything else the rest of the day?
Good response Bob. Good one.
Hey Mikey,
He’ll eat it, Mikey eats anything…yeah, that’s true it seems. Not everyone is as ignorant or as much of a demogogic propagandist as you Mikey. Anyone who’s seriously studied the American Militant Homo Movement’s history knows that the reason that the APA and other “professional” pseudo-medical Associations no longer consider homosexuality a mental disorder as Freud did and many still do, is because that organization was violently threatened and then taken over politically by militant homos, just like the NEA was taken over, the ACLU was taken over and the Democrat Party was taken over by illegitimate groups of people with political agendas that have nothing to do with the TRUTH. I’ve read all about it and the former Chairman of the APA admits that this is what happened and it had NOTHING to do with a legitimate removal of Same Sex Attraction Disorder from the DSM which lists and explains mental disorders and their cause. http://www.narth.com/docs/normalization.html
In 1972 the militant gays attacked the Psychologists, spit on them during their meeting and threatened them if they didn’t comply with their demands. Four years later, Dr. Charles Socarides – who was at the meetings and was an expert in the area of homosexuality, having treated homosexuals for more than twenty years – described the political atmosphere leading up to the 1973 vote: Militant homosexual groups continued to attack any psychiatrist or psychoanalyst who dared to present his findings as to the psychopathology [i.e., the study of mental disorders from all aspects] of homosexuality before national or local meetings of psychiatrists or in public forums.” Elsewhere, Socarides stated that the decision of the APA trustees was “the medical hoax of the century. http://www.kulikovskyonline.net/homosexuality.doc
All that Mikey says above is as meaningless and truthful as Hugo Chavez claim today that life on Mars was probably snuffed out by Caplitalism. Leftists and Militant homos (redundancy there) love to create new realities based on political ideas that they believe have triumphed, such as the notion that homosexual behavior is “normal”. No it’s not. It’s deviant, by definition. Normal is what the norm does. The species requires procreation which can only be accomplished through heterosexual sex. Homosexual sex is like watching a dog hump a person…the dog might orgasm, but it ain’t normal. It’s just possible. But then so is bestiality, necrophilia and incest. No other society than Western decadent society accepts homosexuality as “normal” and something not to be discouraged. We must help homosexuals and maybe many can’t be helped. They should be accepted, but not celebrated, anymore than we should celebrate Sterility or Turette’s Syndrome. For most it’s a chosen lifestyle based on lust and the easy slaking of that lust. Many sex addicts will also engage in homosexual sex just to achieve orgasm and other “homosexuals” live normal lives with wives and children like the former NJ Governor, the bishop of New Hampshire and countless others. There’s no gay gene, so people aren’t born gay, they’re made gay, most often by having been abused as children. It’s a sickness whether it’s freely chosen or programmed by trauma. That’s the truth Mikey. You’re just a Liar relying on the ignorance of others and their abilities to suspend common sense.
lol.
MikeK,
Often times the truth is dangerous. There is nothing said in the article that “medical professionals” deemed this dangerous and inappropriate. Thom…. Jesus will handle this one day.
And BTW: Apple did not “bend” to popular culture. They ousted the Christian bigot app disguised as “The Manhattan Declaration” late last year.
Apple also publicly endorsed and donated $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign to legalize gay marriage. Apple is also currently being run by Tim Cook, a gay man.
Mike.
Mike,
You forgot your other two Ks. Stalinist, hater of free speech and fairness. We’ll have to meet up later at BoyAhoy Gay Chat Ap. I’m 12, so I’m sure you’ll be happy in our next chat there.
This is by far the most frightening and disgusting collection of comments I’ve ever seen here.
The religious far right is the delusional far wrong. I feel physically ill, as naudeous as if I had stumbled onto an Al Queda religious fanatical “discussion.”
This is “MacDaily news?” Tell me this isn’t representative of most “conservatives.” Or even Christians.
This is Hell on earth. The lack of regard for those of other sexual and political persuasions is downright ignorant and evil. This is not spirituality, nor is it religious doctrine- if so, you can call it Prejudice.
I am a caucasion heterosexual. I love Apple. I am also to the Left of Obama. I don’t care who or what you are if you are different. But if you’re sick, obnoxious, or offensive- I have no respect for you.
You sound like someone who’s had a frontal lobotomy. Did it hurt? Why did they do it? If you’re left of Obama you must be more of a halfwit than he is. Are you Hugo Chavez?…no, Barney Frank, right? With a mind so stunted, how do you even know that you’re a heterosexual? You may be deceiving yourself. I think that you’re just a lobotomized, Socialist, Marxist, enemy of the U.S. Constitution, but I’m just expressing my 1st Amendment Rights here. Since you love Apple, I just hope they love you back because I can’t as much as I try….jili pollas.
Why does it seem that the homosexual community is so intolerant of those who disagree with them? To have a difference of opinion is not a crime, nor does it have to be taken as so offensive. One is entitled to an opinion just as one is entitled to throw a punch. I will readily admit that the right to throw a punch ends at another person’s nose, but in this case, where does the right to disagree intellectually cross a line into a wrong done to another?
6 pages of comments? Is this close to a record?
I’m enjoying the discussion–please continue. I’m learning so much.
Has anyone noticed that one of the Aps that Apple is allowing to remain is called “BoyAhoy” gay chat. Last time I checked the word “boy” referred to male children under the age of consent that perverts pursue for illicit, illegal sex, because they’re..well, uh…perverts…ahem, I mean homosexuals. So, BoyAhoy is OK, but Christians who’ve repaired their broken traumatized selves from Same Sex Attraction Disorder, aka homoerotic behavior, usually induced by having been victims of homos in childhood are anathema…yeah that makes sense, in a totally f*cked up world. No wonder the Stone-Age cult of the Arab demon Allah want to kill us all. They don’t want their children to end up with the worldview of Apple Executives. I don’t blame them on that point, although I’ll fight them to the death on many other points.
That’s exactly the kind of stuff these double minded fools do. I say hey, I don’t have to have a MAC or use ITunes or anything they offer.
I smell boycott.
I agree. From now on and from this Apple produced website I’m calling on a boycott of all Apple products by right-minded, non-politically-correct Christians and people of all faiths and even Atheists and Agnostics who recognize that homosexual behavior, (as famous gay celebrities like Gore Vidal, Camille Paglia and many others who’ve gone in and out of it, have admitted) is a chosen lifestyle to BOYCOTT Apple for their crude, bigotted intolerance of Ex-Homos who’ve repaired their psyches from SSAD (Same Sex Attraction Disorder) which all Psychologists fully recognized as a mental disorder prior to their being politically bludgeoned into submission by militant, violent HOMO terrorists in 1972.
I learned on this comment thread that the new CEO at Apple is gay. Wow, isn’t that great! Who the hell cares, I don’t…..unless he’s an intolerant, militant gay, which we now see he appears to be. He’s probably a paedophile too….hence the great love of BoyAhoy.
Let’s see how well Apple does when their BoyAhoy Gay Chat supporters are the only ones left buying their Chinese made shiny crap.
No child of mine, nor anyone in my family will ever be using my money to buy an Apple product again, and I encourage all other 1st Amendment loving Americans to do the same. These people are twisted tyrants supporting perversion and squashing those who would try to help the perverts who wish to regain their lives from the trauma they’ve been living since they were victimized as children (most likely). The Sodomite Stalinists at Apple will have a Pyrrhic victory here. This will hurt their sales. I was thinking about replacing my Blackberry. They’ve made my decision easy. DROID here I come.
At least the app will be available on Android phones which are out selling iphones.
“On Monday, Truth Wins Out, whose name is a play on words of Exodus’ Love Won Out conferences, urged more people to sign its petition.”
What they really mean is “Lust Won Out”.
You know, this is the one thing muslim have right…..try arguing your fudgepacking logic in those countries. These packers can go into schools and spread their propaganda but if any group has a different opinion, well, they can go to hell. Love the liberal tolerance!!
Way to go, Apple. No free speech or free thought on your apps beause they may disagree with a very small minority and their lifestyle choices.
I like how anyone who is pro-homosexual calls everyone who disagrees with the lifestyle a homophobe…Really? because I’m not afraid of homosexuals, which would make me a non-homophobe. Save your labels, idiots. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and when you can explain to me how one man sticking a part of his body into another man that is soley meant for the excrement of human waste and call it normal, then we can have a discussion on what a homophobe is.
It’s wrong of Apple to pull an app that they approved had content that could be viewed by children. If they give in to one group out of politics, it shows they will do it again if enough political pressure is applied. I just swore off Apple.
I was homosedual when i was younger, but also religious. I’m more or less agnostic now, and I think the religious taboo against homosexuality probably caused me to be interested in it. I am married for 12 years, my wife is aware of my past, and I acknowledge that I do have homosexual urges from time to time. But not enough to get me to secretly seek any encounters with men or anything like that. It would probably be more accurate to say that I am bisexual. My theory is that everybody is bisexual. But they’re afraid to admit it.
Should apple have banned the app? I don’t think so. Exodus does what it does because of sincere religious conviction. To be honest, the gay activist’s actions here are petty and draconian from my point of view, they actually make me feel sympathy for exodus.
It’s an anus!!!! The anus is where feces exits the body. How is that even remotely attractive???? It’s disgusting, much like homosexuality is. The next time you poop, stare at it…and think, gee whiz this is what a homosexual male wants all over his penis.
I know nothing about this ‘Ex’ app. I’d love to see an Ex-Muslim app personally. This is the world of people wanting animals to have lawyers and two guys wanting to have an abortion or something of that sort. It makes no sense whatsover.
Big Ditto There!
We could call it EX-Demonic-Sex-Death-Medaeval-Cult-of-Allah Ap
Even in the best case scenario for those who argue for a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, there would still be people that choose a homosexual lifestyle based upon life trauma or social pressures. It can’t be all or none, that is just silly. So who are you do deny these people that desire to… say, overcome the fear of men because of rape by their uncle as a child, the ability to do so? Is your ‘civil movement’ so precious that those that have physiological disorders must be ignored?
My main complaint here is that the LGBT “community” claims to be all for diversity. But then they rally to completely suppress any diversity of thought or belief. Very hypocritical.
I guess that if two adults consent to bashing each others faces in with the end of a baseball bat, then it is okay by MikeK…afterall, they DID consent….
This serves as a perfect analogy because of the grotesque medical pathologies that accrue from homosexual sex. For lesbians, breast cancer rates are astronomical. For male homosexuals, anal polyps, fistulas, ulcerations, and AIDS are the result of their unnatural “coupling”.
But hey, that’s okay, hit me with that baseball bat one more time — it hurts so good…
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faggots want to make sure that nothing labels them for the degenerate freaks they are. Like the negro and other protected groups they need to be shipped off and left to decay in their own filth.
Nice try. This is the most transparent attempt at projecting I’ve seen in quite a while. Remember what Mommy told you though…Lefties can’t do irony. They’re too self-righteous and too hypocritical and wrong. Try again.
Very gutless of Apple!
Exodus article says During the past week, Exodus International and their iPhone application have been grossly misrepresented. Since we haven’t had the opportunity to adequately correct the errors, we want to expose two primary myths.
Myth #1: Exodus uses hate speech.
Exodus presents a redemptive, biblical worldview on sexuality, which communicates a message of love and acceptance to those that are struggling with unwanted same-sex attractions. Exodus helps people to live their whole life, including their sexuality, in congruence with their faith.
The mission of Exodus, which is front and center on our website, is “Mobilizing the Body of Christ to Minister Grace and Truth to a World impacted by Homosexuality.” As followers of Christ, we are committed to emulating Him in everything. Our primary focus is encouraging and educating the global church NOT ONLY to lovingly communicate the truth of scripture, but also to conduct themselves in ways that would be consistent with the ways of Christ, namely showing love and compassion.
One example, which has been completely neglected by those reporting on the application, is an entire section devoted to Exodus’ adamant opposition to bullying. In alignment with biblical teaching, readers are encouraged to support and befriend anyone being mistreated. Here is a segment of the language used, “Exodus International affirms that gay-identified individuals and those who struggle with same-sex attraction are persons for whom Jesus Christ died and loves equally. Therefore, we strongly oppose bullying, name calling and acts of aggression against any individual or group of individuals for any reason. These actions have no place in our society and we must, instead affirm behavior that validates the personal worth and dignity God bestows upon every human being.” That doesn’t sound like hate to me.
Myth #2: Exodus “cures” people.
Exodus does not claim to cure anyone. That is not within our ability and certainly beyond the ability of our iPhone application, which simply provided mobile access to information available on our website. As complex human beings, sexual attractions develop for many known and unknown reasons and no one chooses those, but as sexual beings, we all make decisions about how to express ourselves. For those who consider the Bible to be life-giving truth, homosexual attractions and the desire to act on them are at odds with the desire to live a life that reflects the Christian faith and often results in moral tension.
Exodus acknowledges that pursuing a relationship with God over these attractions won’t always make the feelings go away. They may stay the same, lessen or possibly shift towards the opposite sex. That’s not the point. The point is to pursue a life beyond attractions, feelings and societal labels that is guided and defined by Jesus Christ and the truth of Scripture. And for the record, living with conflicted desires is not the same as living a life dominated by them. Exodus doesn’t believe there is a “cure” for homosexuality, adultery, arrogance, gossip or any other sin. There is, however, Jesus who paid the price for it all when He died on the cross. Then there is the daily, sometimes moment-by-moment, decision to live a life congruent with His teaching.
Our desire was simply to provide information to individuals exploring and looking for answers that are consistent with their own beliefs. Apple already provides hundreds of apps specific to the GLBT community and has made the Gay Christian Network’s podcasts available on its iTunes store. Our hope was to see equality represented on the same platform.
This is the funniest discussion I’ve read since one on Schrodinger’s Cat. Keep up the insults and humor.
ahh – the tolerant left – choice, tolerance, free speech – except for the right (and correct)
I will leave this argument with a few lines from the famous Steve Jobs “Here’s to the crazy ones” manifesto, as well satisfaction of knowing that whether you like it or not, we won this small but important victory.
Deal with it 🙂
Peace, MikeK
I will leave this argument with a few lines from Steve Jobs manifesto and the knowledge and satisfaction of knowing that “We Won.” Deal with it. 🙂
Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward.
There is a legitimate source of concern as to whether the human race will be “pushed forward” off of a cliff…
MikeK: You said that back on page 5 remember?
Using the same baseless nonsense, it would be okay for a man to have sex with his dead wife as long as she gave prior consent.
No!
Depravity is never okay even if there is consent to the depravity.
The nonsensical logic is if two adults consent to it, then it cannot be considered immoral or perverse and must be forced into acceptance by Orwellian brainwashing.
I think she had to still be alive when she gave you that “prior consent”.
This one’s for those who want more choices:
http://www.android.com/
You know at least mike remained respectful throughout. More than a lot of u can say.
Someone please answer my question……………
Where do GAY babies come from?
their mother?
What, you mean not from two gay men or two gay women, amazing!
How could you tell the baby was gay? Was it wearing purple or a rainbow onesie?
Hmm not sure I recalled anyone arguing that babies could com from men. Do you have a point? If so, make it.
What are the prissy faggots and dykes whining about now? Much to do about nothing. Marriage will always be between man and woman!!!!!
Damn right. Even when the knuckledraggers can’t hold back social progress anymore and gay marriage becomes legalized, men and women will still be able to get married.
But try to keep that on the downlow, aight?
Because the more heteros realize gay marriage won’t change anything for them the more the hysteria dies down, and then insane Jesus-cults like Exodus and gaybashers in general will begin losing their pull in society.
When the cure for homosexuality is found, then these types of arguments will be a thing of the past.
According to the so called, “gay” posters on this site there is a genetic marker that “makes” people gay. If this is true, then you have found the “cure” for homosexuality. ABORTION. If “gays” are made that way then it follows that a pro-creation mother and father who would like to see their family tree and genealogy continue got pregnant with a “gay” fetus it follows that they could just “cure” the situation. Watch how quickly the pink-mafioso retract their claims that “homosexuality” is genetic. Frauds from the very start.
Spot on!
No, watch how quickly all you “pro-life” types discover a divine dispensation to nip those gays in the womb.
Or in the alternative, splice the genetic marker out so the baby is hetero…
Or the better alternative: Modify the genome (the correct term) to lose the dumbass gene that creates your kind.
+1,000,000,000!!!!
I disagree. If such a marker does exist then homosexuals will be hard pressed to prove that it constitutes a ‘disability’ entitling them to special rights because no such special rights are afforded to any other form of reproductive dysfunction like missing ovaries or impotence.
Studies show homosexuality leads to pedophilia, and brought aids into the world.
The police report from your evening at the park does not constitute a “study”.
No, but the police report does show YOU squirting your pants when children are near.
The way “wit” is supposed to work is that your “zingers” actually support the logic of your point in the discussion. If all you can come up with are playground insults, it only demonstrates the absence of either substance or logic. As far as wit, you couldn’t spell the word.
DRUDGE LOSER LINK
My dog has taken to humping my leg. Does this mean he’s into “humanality”? It’s just a dumb dog who doesn’t know better. Gays, like dogs don’t know better. If they did, they’d know that one cannot propagate baby pieces of shit by taking it up the ass!
Your dog obviously thinks you’re a bitch.
There you go again, “thinking” that dogs and gays “think.” The animal kingdom, like gays, are incapable of “thinking” a thought. Really, your input shows that gays and animals are on the same level.
And again, your drivel consists only of making statements supported only by your ego. And while I’m sure your mother told you that you were cute, she was only lying to get you out of the house. As far as your “comparison”, you are about to discover that I am much more animal than anything else; you are becoming more irritating than boring, which is quite a stretch.
We are Winning 🙂
HEY, MORONS!– No matter WHAT you say, gaybos…the FACT remains that homosexuality is an ABERRATION, PERIOD! For some strange reason, men and women are DIFFERENT (if you didn’t notice), and when they interact sexuality, MORE PEOPLE are made. It’s called “complementary opposites”; it’s called NATURAL ORDER, you freakshows. The entire UNIVERSE acts that way, EXCEPT you. You can deny gravity all you want, but jump off the second floor–you only prove it when you hit the ground. Why do you think AIDS hits YOUR group specifically? Because you’re doing something RIGHT? Idiots
The whole UNIVERSE? Except for all those asexual critters and hermaphrodite species, but screw ’em. They aren’t part of the UNIVERSE.
ConanTheRepublican doesn’t need FACTS.
Like how AIDS hits indescriminately. That FACT gets in the way of ConanTheRepublican. ConanTheRepublican will IGNORE IT.
Unlike YOU FREAKSHOWS.
ConanTheRepublican is a REAL MAN. He named himself after an ALMOST NAKED BARBARIAN DUDE with HUGE MANLY MUSCLES. That’s the OPPOSITE of GAY. You HOMOS could never UNDERSTAND.
Ultimately the issue is that LGBT demand tolerance for their viewpoint and behaviors (chosen or otherwise) and are absolutely intolerant to alternate viewpoints that do not support their own. “Do as I demand and do not expect me to reciprocate what I demand”
If someone offered an app linking to various sources “proving” that the Holocaust never happened, it would be removed because its contention is not true. That is also why the Exodus app was removed. No “special treatment” involved at all.
“As long as consenting adults are involved, other people’s sex lives are none of your damned business.”
Perhaps, but they don’t stop there, do they? They want special holidays, minority status, special scholarships, marriage deductions, public funding and taxes used for gay events, etc.. The worse part is the training they are requesting. Instead of teaching our kids math or science, they’re stuck listening to “George has two moms” or “Tom dad-dad, a happy family”.
Personally I’ve always found it absurd to define an individual according to the last person they had sex with. But we live in a world where people group up according to any kind of behavioral, cultural or ethnic commonality. And public recognition – use of public facilities and programs, inclusion of a token member on the podium and so on – is an expected validation of that grouping. All the things that bother you about gays come under that heading, and that’s basically tough. Public recognition of TV preachers bothers me because they’re con artists. Professional ethnics of any breed have about the same effect, because they define any issue through the prism of their “official” viewpoint. And that does include some gay or “progressive” groups, as well as bunches of beleaguered white Republicans. But the reality is that none of us has an exclusive veto on who is defined as legitimate. Tough shit all around.
It’s time for homosexuals to practice the tolerance they are always preaching about. Some people do not believe in their way. Some people who are gay do not want to be gay and would like to change. (And it IS possible to do so.) Would homosexuals stop a drunk from finding sobriety if he wanted it.
Homosexuals, as a group in this country, have become anything but tolerant, liberal, or open-minded.
And shame on Apple for refusing a vendor to sell an app that no one had to purchase if they did not want it. How is that cool? How is that tolerant?
Will Apple pull any APPS that are anti-religious if those who are religious complain? Not that I care about the APP itself, but this reeks of censorship.
Simple logic dictates that homosexual behavior is symptomatic of a sexual dysfunction. There are two genders, there is a single purpose for having two genders and the attraction of one gender to the other is the only behavior conducive to their purpose of continuing the species as it is with ALL sexual species.
My assertion that it is a dysfunction can no more be called ‘hate speech’ than stating color blindness is a dysfunction. Color blind people would be delighted to have a color blind application leading me to conclude that radical homosexuals are majorly a bunch of sad sacks looking for any reason they can find to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with their abrasive ego-driven political agenda.
Homosexuals are persecuted by a pretty massive number of bigots. They’re regarded as second class citizens at best and sub-humans at worst. Even the law considers them less than equal to heteros.
THAT MAKES THEM JUST LIKE ANYBODY WITH A DYSFUNCTION! LIKE COLOR BLIND PEOPLE LOLOLOL
Uh, no. Simple logic dictates you’re a moron.
Even if we pretend that homosexuality is just a random biological dysfunction serving no possible purpose, though, that wouldn’t handwave away all the persecution. Try telling color blind people they’re an abomination against God, they aren’t allowed to get married, and do everything you can to make them feel ashamed of themselves to the point of their becoming suicidal. See how well that goes. Hint: “but it’s only a dysfunction!” might not cut it as a justification.
And you know, I bet those filthy, color blind sinners would launch an abrasive ego-driven political agenda demanding equality and shit, just like the homos. Bunch of bastards. All of them.
This “spirit of diversity” is based on their standards! So, “diversity” doesn’t include allowing iTune owners to download whatever apps they want?? That LGBT becomes the watchdog based on what THEY believe is appropriate for others?
What self-serving bigots!!!
Next they’ll ban all applications that cite religious verse from any source other than the Quran because such are an insult to Islam. Isn’t it interesting though that, according to liberals, insulting Islam or homosexuals is ‘hate speech’ but they are awfully quiet about Muslims executing homosexuals in the ME?
If some researcher discovered a simple 100% safe and effective methodology for expectant mothers that guaranteed a heterosexual behavioral potential in her child, show me one mother who would not engage in such a method?
If such were true how would radical homosexuals feel about homosexuality actually becoming extinct in the future? No one will be left behind to miss it once they are all gone. Heterosexuals will be delighted to get the word gay, rainbow and marriage back to their original meanings too but even more happy to know the prospect of seeing grandchildren improved..
I think a lesbian mother would be totally cool with the possibility that their child/children might be gay.
…Oh shit, wait, am I supposed to pretend homosexuals don’t reproduce using surrogate mothers and sperm donors?
Okay, forget I said that. Let me try again.
I think parents who want to leave the development of their baby up to fate or just aren’t bigots would be cool with the possibility that their child/children might be gay.
All children are already born with a “heterosexual behavioral potential”. Humans are physiologically capable of experiencing sexual pleasure in any number of ways. Choosing whether or not to be intimate with any other individual is a matter of both physical and psychological attraction, suitability of the potential partner both culturally and individually, environmental factors – too hot, too noisy, too public – and finally a conscious decision to do it or not to do it. Some of those factors appear to be hard-wired genetically, but there is still a range of potential responses; i.e., “gay” or “straight” is seldom a biological absolute. Most of the stress and stress-related responses having to do with sex come from attempting to choose behaviors at odds with those genetic preferences, which is true of both gay and straight experiences,. Primarily or exclusively gay individuals experience much more stress due to the groundless meddling of pretentious twits like you. I don’t expect you lot to understand all those big words and long sentences, but someone needs to state simply the facts of the matter instead of all the monkey whoops and “sounds scientific” nonsense you’re peddling.
It is always the liberal groups that are the most militant and vocal from the unions to gay groups; however, the silent non-gay voice is much stronger, so these gay groups better tread lightly; otherwise, the silent majority will wake up and start doing their own shouting!
Apple sells all kinds of apps that are offensive to Christians, but they remain because we’re the one group it’s OK to offend/mock/attack. Frankly, I’m surprised Apple still allows the Bible apps to remain since the Bible contains lots of “offensive” statements regarding homosexual and other immoral behaviours.
Then again, pagans like them used to feed us to the lions so count your blessings.
Well, pagans like them used to feed us Christians to the lions so it is always a good idea to count your blessings.
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The gay agenda. Geez. “We should have the right to hold gay rights/pride rallies in city centers and rub it in people’s faces how gay gay gay we are against their will and consent, but an individual using a mobile device in the privacy of their home should not have the liberty to use an application contrary to our beliefs.” There is no sexual consent issue, but there is a consumption consent issue.
I would love to organize a straight pride parade. “Straight and loving it! Come here, person of opposite gender, I’m gonna have sex with you!!!”
Lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transexuals can now be happy that this app is gone. LGBT celebrates one thing, their sexual preferences and that is what consumes them. Why would they be consumed with an app that is about choice when they preach the way they are is genetic? Inquiring minds want to know.
Apple is racist against ex-gays
Since its beginning, the field of psychology long recognized homesexuality as a mental disease. It was only in the late 20th century when liberals began to enter to the field and pushed to have this long-held scientific position deleted from the list of mental diseases.
While the field of psychology may have chosen to ignore previous scientific studies and findings, those who continue to SUFFER from this mental disease await treatment!
Oh! You mean like how the fields of anthropology and biology long recognized negroes as being inferior to whites, and it was only in the late 20th century that this long-held scientific position fell out of favour?
Damnit, if only we could return to those halcyon days. When the white heterosexual man the master of all he gazed upon. I… I’m getting teary eyed, here. But in a totally straight way.
Or that poygamy, beastiality, necrophilia, pedophila are perversions – or does the “enlightenment” stop here – with THIS generation and the homosexual question?
Afterall, future generations cannot possibly surpass OUR “enlightenment”.
I find it interesting how selective/inconsistent Apple is when applying censorship…..it’s almost as if they have an agenda 😉 iSlam gets yanked, but the athiest apps Bible Thumper and QuranQuoter remain available.
The slippery slope argument is that if our culture gives in to “Gay Marriage”, that polygamy, bestiality, pedophile relationship proponents will soon follow suit (or file suit) with their charges of inequality.
Now a common refutation by proponents of the homosexual lifestyle choice is that in one case the “partner” or “partners” are not able to give their consent and in the second, that law states they are too young to give consent. I find it exceptionally ironic that these folks don’t extend the same expectation of “enlightenment” to future generations that they want us to recognize in them today.
More immediately, if a child can become an emancipated minor, why can’t they do so for the goal of marrying their pedophile “lover”. What’s age anyway, isn’t it just an arbitrary assessment of ones maturity based on antiquated morals and old white men? You will see this in court in less than 5 years.
Man and beast? When we have animals rights groups ferevently narrowing the gap between animal and human perception and conscience. Isn’t it arrogant to think that future generations won’t look at our early 21st century ideas that animals have no ability to “consent” as being closed minded?
Or does the “enlightenment” stop here – with THIS generation? Future generations cannot possibly surpass OUR “enlightenment”.
I have suspicions that the homosexual brown shirts are quiety asking the follow on perversion advocates (polygamy, incest, pedophila, beastiality etc.) to not prosecute their mission until the camel is in the tent.
I’m frightened for this country and those who think what God has blessed, he is not also in position to judge and curse. God have mercy on us because he certainly has a plethora of reasons to.
How INTOLERANT and PREJUDICED of Apple. In the graphic on pg1 of the article, there are 8 app “icons” shown for the iPhone… and 8 for the iPad; all “pro-gay”. What do you HONESTLY think Apple’s response would be if 107,477 people petitioned Apple for the removal of ANY of those apps?
I’ve become quite frustrated with Apple’s intolerance for anything that offers another view of homosexuality. (Does anyone remember the stir created over the Manhattan Declaration app last autumn?)
I am considering a boycott of all Apple products on these grounds.
Check out the website http://www.manhattandeclaration.org/home.aspx
You talk about the 107,477 people (liberals) who demanded this App be removed (censorship – censorship!). If Apple is so high and mighty, so conscientous about right and wrong, so “forced” to do something about all those signatures – then why not put the Manhatten Declaration back IN the APP Store???? Check it out – they have 487,146 signatures- almost 4 times the liberal elite’s number.
But, then again, liberals are hypocritical and intolerate. They want anything that they don’t agree with eliminated. How does that work libs? You act like a pack of wolves – true mob mentality. You wish to eliminate anyone and anything that doesn’t agree with you – even one of your own if necessary. When Juan Williams went off the reservation and dared say something controversial about radical islam, the left came unglued and despite the fact Mr Williams was a proven liberal (heck – he worked for NPR…enough said) they got rid of him. They make me sick.
How DARE Apple remove an app that’s INTOLERANT and PREJUDICED against homosexuals. I am DEEPLY offended by THIS.
EVERYBODY knows it’s okay to be PREJUDICED and INTOLERANT against homoSEXUALS. But if you DISCRIMINATE against INTOLERANT and PREJUDICED bigots in any way, like removing their APP, then that MAKES you worse than THE DEVIL! It MEANS you hate freedom! And are INTOLERANT and PREJUDICED x10 PLUS infinity! You are the badguy HERE Apple! YOU are the only BADGUY HERE!!
It’s almost like Tim Cook is gay and Steve Jobs is a Buddhist or something. It’s almost like Apple is a liberal company. It’s almost like they don’t even care if they offend queerbashers and feel no obligation to pander to some warped funhouse mirror version of Christianity. What are they? Nuts?
In this day and age of sex change operations, it is generally acceptable for a man to become a woman or a woman a man. Why is it that some bigoted groups have a problem with someone changing their sexual orientation? It’s alot cheaper.
It is a choice. Doesn’t really matter what you say it’s a choice. Just like being straight is a choice. Everything you do in life is a choice.
The only thing you are “born this way” applies to is race and gender. Everything else is a choice period!
Yeah! Everything but race and gender is a choice period!
So screw giving equal rights to midgets! They weren’t “born that way”, it was a choice! I don’t see why society should have to lift a finger to accomodate those little pricks. And they shouldn’t be allowed to get married. Marriage is only for normal-sized people. And if they don’t like being short, well, then they should just quit sinning and accept Jesus. ‘Cause he’ll make them grow like 5 feet overnight.
And don’t even get me started on people with down’s syndrome. God, they’re so dumb – are they retarded or something? Why don’t you choose to STOP BEING A DROOLING IDIOT, MONGO?
Only thing they’re good for is being door stops, quite honestly. But no, the liberals say, they have rights too! Oh, but not just rights, they have SPECIAL rights! Ugh. It’s enough to make me sick. I mean, umm, HELLOOOOO? MIDGETS AND SPEDS AREN’T NATURAL! They do not have the same rights as us perfect normal people, I don’t care what you say! Period!
And it’s a slippery slope, too. Once we accept midgets and speds as equals in society, what’s next? Pedophile cannibal orgies. That’s what. THAT’S WHAT!
I won’t stand for it. No… As a good, loving, compassionate Christian I can’t stand for it!
Lordy,lordy,lordy. 8 pages and 672 comments !
Let’s have a contest. The view espoused by the LAST
person to post a comment (whether pro or anti gay)
will be accepted by the rest of us as gospel truth.
See? Wasn’t that easy. I have solved the “homosexual
problem”. When do I get my Nobel Peace Prize ? 🙂
So if 100 gay men get their own country out in the middle of the pacific and they get to setup their own government and rules. There is unlimited food and resources.
It is everything they want, call it Gaytopia.
You come back to visit in 100 years.
What do you have?
3 generations have passed, if everyone lives past 100, the population should be 800 or so based on 3 kids per couple.
But instead you have no one there. There was no second generation. Last time I checked two gay men cannot create offspring.
My point?
If it was natural and right, then the species should be able to reproduce on their own and take care of themselves.
And here I thought the tech crowd were actually educated folks. You know, diversity, acceptance, love, peace???
This thread is downright embarrassing. A lot of you folks are coming off sounding like elementary school children who’ve been raised by Neanderthals.
The whole point of the Exodus app being removed is not because it’s an opposing viewpoint. It was removed because it’s an opposing viewpoint that was considered to be harmful and dangerous because it uses techniques that have been denounced by the medical community.
I’m a straight man, but I know and work with a lot of gay people. Some are my best friends, some are the most genuine people I’ve ever known.
Seriously, the hate in these posts is disturbing to say the least. These are human beings people, just like you and I.
It’s a sad, sad world.
sigh… 🙁
“It was removed because it’s an opposing viewpoint that was considered to be harmful and dangerous because it uses techniques that have been denounced by the medical community.”
That’s right, and there are no negative physical, emotional and spiritual issues with choosing the homosexual lifestyle. Oh…wait a minute….
Also, please change “…denounced by the medical community” to “…denounced by SOME IN the medical community”
If it were truly about being free to be who you want to be, then Exodus would pose no threat. It’s not about love, it’s about acceptance by all – this is why the homosexuals see this as a threat. Heaven forbid if the therapy works for some people (which it does) if that news gets out – then their claims that it’s not their choice are undermined. Why are people so blind here.
It is not therapy, it is bullying It is not psychotherapy, it is not cognitive therapy, it is not medication therapy. It is behavioral conditioning motivated and reinforced by fear. It does not produce heterosexuals, it produces repressed gays. It is snake oil peddled by con artists who are more neurotic than anyone they claim to have “helped”. The app was removed as they would remove a recipe for cooking speed or freebasing coke – and with better reason.
Beautifully said.
Two consenting adults =/= right, appropriate, any less disgusting, acceptable, etc.
What Apple did was wrong. There are many gay people who don’t like being gay. This is a psychological issue not hatred.
Here are some relevant comments from singer Pete Burns (Dead or Alive) after failed gay marriage. He had been previously married 28 year to his former wife.
Burns said: “I view marriage as a sacred institution. I think two men naturally are predators. Gay relationships are a commercial break, not a whole movie.
“The relationships I’m aware of, apart from one … it’s as though there’s some kind of emotional inadequacy or narcissism, where they feel emotionally inadequate and need more validation, from either a father figure or a mirror image of themselves. “I’m not condemning it, I think it needs researching and help.”
Yes-Help…unless the gay activists say otherwise.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-563814/Gay-marriage-does-work–men-just-predatory-says-Pete-Burns.html#ixzz1HXEcdhS3
Apple’s antics and the silly talking points of the gay advocates who have commented inspired me to look at the topic of hatred and bigotry on my blog today. The post is called “The Bogeyman Myth of the Hateful Bigot,” if you would like to read it at http://www.signsofastruggleblog.com/
So I took the bait and found you’re selling a book – from the looks of it, a paean of passive aggression. To continue the alliteration, your writing, your thoughts and your self are pitiful.
I’m sure you’re read the book so you can make that sort of judgement. Just like you downloaded the Exodus app. But then again, isn’t just like you types to judge and condemn content you’ve never examined. Your lovely prose almost hides the lack of profundity.
You will note that I said in simple English “…from the looks of it”, which means a conclusion drawn from the excerpts and descriptive copy on the website. I should have remembered that everything has to be explained in detail for some of you. As far as “you types” it’s interesting that you can tell from my prose that I’m an unreconstructed Goldwater conservative who likes the Second Amendment and California girls, and doesn’t like bullies, particularly the pseudo-intellectual variety. Need I explain anything in more detail?
You don’t like bullies, yet you yourself are one? Kettle meet pot…
Wil go be the best you can be.
Pitiful and cheesy.
No thanks.
@Leto
“harmless falsities” is of course your opinion. “The problem however, as you can see from a frighteningly large number of these posts, is that when people believe in something – anything – too fiercely and vest their whole existence into these mental constructs, then they start first influencing and later imposing on other people’s lives.” Umm, Isn’t that why the app was removed?
Let’s examine what is abundantly clear. Penis + Vagina = sex. They were designed for one another. One penis for one vagina. Not one penis for multiple vaginas. That leads to STDs. Not one vagina for multiple penis’s. That leads to STDs. STDs are natures way of saying “stop what you are doing, this is unhealthy.” That is the perfection of sex. Anything else, ANYthing else is a corruption of that.
Human beings are incredibly flawed so this is rarely ever the case. Does this justify human beings acting out of feelings and lustful desire? No.
Adultery is as bad as homosexuality. Adultery is 2 consenting adults. Incest is just as bad. That is between 2 consenting adults.
ALL human beings have freewill. If I wanted to be gay I would be gay. I also believe that part of gayness is genetics. Just like many men are genetically inclined to be angry or violent or super horny many men are genetically inclined to like other men. This does not justify a man being angry, or stealing, or being gay. We each have our own vices. When we say that gayness is not a choice we are saying that gays are the only people that do not have the power to choose. We all agree that pedophiles, rapists, animal lovers have a choice. If we each dug deep down we’d agree that heterosexuality is a choice. So ONLY gayness is not a choice? Gays are exempt from the gift of freewill? sounds to me like gay defenders think less of gays than homophobes do.
The STD rate among homosexuals should be enough for people to at least question how “natural” it is.
The argument “me thinks doth protest too much” or whatever is not that great of an argument. There are many racist people that are not secretly black. There are many people that hate terrorists that are not secretly terrorists.
Some people probably are homosexuals (that protest a ton). Some people just cant comprehend how a man would not be attracted to a woman.
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