“‘Defendant has used various Craigslist seller identities and contact information to advertise his products on that site,’ the complaint reads. ‘Defendant also operates as Ultimate PC Repairs through his own web page located at ultimatepcrepairs.webs.com (the ‘Ultimate PC Website’), where he offers over eighty (80) software titles for sale,'” Oliver reports. “Available on the site are a long list of applications for both PC and Mac, including Apple’s iLife and iWork suites, Final Cut and Snow Leopard. Also listed are Adobe’s Creative Suite, Acrobat, and Illustrator.”
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[Attribution: MacNN. Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Lynn W.” for the heads up.]
There used to be a guy on Craigslist (four years ago) offering to sell well below market price MBP’s. Of course those who ordered never received the MBP.
Who gives a flying monkey’s? Like I do. MS’s shit gets pirated every day of the week and twice on Sundays. You don’t hear me griping about it. And no, it’s not because MS’s software is worth shit.
@silverhawk
They received a pile of crappy circuitboards jammed in a humongous plastic casing instead of a MBP with the word ‘DELL’ written in large letters on the clamshell.
From the Appleinsider article:
“Notably, some or all of the infringing copies distributed by Defendant were in the form of burned (i.e., ‘homemade’) DVD+R and CD-R media, with the titles handwritten in marker,”
A real high-end business, eh?
@Cubert
He ordered a cut price top of the line deluxe color laser jet printer to print his labels out on from another guy on craigslist but all he got in return was a box of felt markers.
Lock the f**ker up!
He’s in for the long haul “idiot”
if this guy bothers them, then what are doing about torrents and pirate bays?
As for the torrents and pirate bay.
Piratebay is overseas, they really can’t go after them.
I love the logic of companies going after individuals for software piracy. It’s not as though someone using pirated software could or can spend hundreds or thousands for the real deal, especially if they are not making any money on it and is a hobbyist. Anyone legitimately making their living from software should pay their way. I’ve always thought a certain amount of piracy is good for business as it expands the user base which eventually, after version upgrades, might translate to sales after proving or not proving it’s worth (I hate to think of all the money I’ve spent on useless software over the years). Like an ultimate version trial demo without restrictions. Of course I am referring to high end stuff, not the low end. And I see why they might go after dealers who are probably making a handsome living. But where one dealer disappears another no doubt takes his place. And then there’s torrent sites, etc.. Like drugs, hard to elusive to control.
I don’t really see a problem with people who cannot afford software using pirated versions. The working poor cannot afford the high price of Adobe products. However, selling pirated software is a whole other issue that is both illegal and morally wrong. For anyone to put up a website and sell pirated software for far less than the legitimate retail price is about a pure example of theft as I can imagine. But installing a copy of your friends’ iLife DVD? Not the same thing – despite what the lawyers say.
What about working poor vendors who can’t afford to buy legitimate copies of software?
I’d suggest it being cheaper and easier to simply put a hit on this asshole, except for the fact that the Feds have locked up all of the experienced Mafioso in this country.
Another great American tradition ruined by government.
I currently can’t afford a TV set. Would you mind leaving your front door open tonight so I can ‘copy’… err, I mean take yours. I’m sure you wouldn’t see the problem with that.
You have a convoluted view on legality and morality.
I think the legal and moral grounds are dubious given the opportunities to people learning a software that might get them employed using that software legally and for profit. I’m tired of people using real physical merchandise theft and comparing it to virtual items. I understand what you mean and I’m all for companies reaping a profit on their hard work.
But we’re talking about a small minority who simply wish to learn or have modest needs that don’t justify huge amounts of cash outlay. (And I know some have free learning editions but those are rare.) And there are plenty of software packages out there that are overpriced. There’s no differentiation or model on pricing between modest amateur need and professional reliance and heavy use. Morality on pricing and acquisition goes both ways.
@montex…
Integrity is who you are when you think no one else is looking…
@ Jim -TIV
“Integrity is who you are when you think no one else is looking…”
A nice bromide or sentiment ideal but doubtful that 95% of the worlds leaders and CEO’s would be where they are using this as their moral compass.
@Peter
Truth is. Right is. Always.
Some guy tried to sel me FCP
And said that he could sell it real cheap because he paid a hi “distribution” license fee, something like $2500 – $4000
He just sold copies of the same licese key over and over again. Can anyone tell me if this is legit also have you ever heard of it?
Love the high and mighty among us who truth be told live less than exemplary lives. Thou doth protest too much!
No, there is no such general licensing deal on software that enables the seller to sell unlimited copies. If there was we’d see a lot more of it around. That guy tells you lies.
“There used to be a guy on Craigslist (four years ago) offering to sell well below market price MBP’s. Of course those who ordered never received the MBP.”
I’m sure he just never got around to mailing them. I’m in no rush to get the one I bought from him, I’d only have to pack it up and ship it to my new home,I can wait until I get the deeds for the beach front property I just bought in New Mexico. Sweet….
There just aren’t enough facts in this story to make me care the least bit. Wake me up if there’s a conviction.
Zzzzz zzzzz zzzz
If you did buy a license fee of $2500, it would only be for installing copies on machines within your own company, not resell to individual parties
Anyone who believes that they have the right to the work of others, supports the concept of slavery.
There is no difference between the physical and the virtual.
Hell, I’ll put forward the notion it’s worse to steal the virtual, because the virtual includes a person’s thoughts and ideas.
If you believe you have the right to steal another human’s thoughts and ideas and use them for your own, without compensation, then you’ve joined the ranks of the Orwellian.
Pirates are nothing more than excuse makers, and no matter the excuses they offer themselves, they’re wrong.
it’s almost like locking up a fuel station owner for selling gas below market value. Who’s the real crook here.
lol, this reminds me of the 7 types of iPhone owners http://bit.ly/eHKjvH
your an idiot, it is that simple
I think it’s ok if he pirates Adobe crappy over priced software.
Big difference between physical and virtual. One results in an item gone and subsequent loss and the other is an item copied. A sale that wouldn’t have existed in any case whether copied or not so no real harm is done.
Lots of good can come out of it that eventually results in positive financial reward for everyone. I admit the reasoning is on seemingly dubious ground but then what else in our history has anything like it to compare? Movies and music are entertainments and should be paid for since they are not a similar thing to the learning curve of software which is a productivity working thing.
Yes it probably wouldn’t pass by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates without an admonition but you probably won’t go to hell either.
If you can’t afford the high end products there are alternatives out there… Like pixelmator instead of photoshop. If you are any good at all in design then you can make enough money with pixelmator to then buy a copy of adobe creative suite. Then you use that to make even more money. Its pretty simple of a plan…
@Peter
It doesn’t matter what you think! Fact is this clown is profiting on illegal software sales. Simple open & shut case. Next…
@Peter Stealing is stealing. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, do not get into heaven justifying sin with spurious arguments. The Flying Spaghetti Monster also does not approve of stealing.
@ Ace
This is precisely a forum of opinions so not to express one would mean it would not need to exist so EXCUSE ME!!! Go back to your comic book reading.
I already said Dealers are a different problem, they make their living selling. I am referring to an end user situation trying to learn a prohibitively expensive software package. You can look at it as “stealing with style” and with an eventual loftier goal that benefits all.
@ St Paul
I also said it would probably not fly past St. Peter regardless of how I feel about it so thanks for regurgitating the points I already made.
You guys might not share my opinion, but at least I have the integrity to use a registered screen name and not throw out ad hominem attacks. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go turn in the 12 year old son of a single mom and explain to him that his enthusiasm for artistic photoshopping just landed a $50k fine on his family.
I am really poor, but I want to be a race car driver-so I am gonna steal your car and drive it really fast then crash it. Ok?
I am really poor, but want to learn to be a salesmen-so I am gonna steal everything in your house and sell it, that ok?
Your pathetic strawman excuses for stealing do not stand up.
If the 12 year old is so poor-how can he afford a computer or web access?
@ nekogami13
Your pathetic comparisons of stealing a car and crashing it and stealing the contents of a house are completely lame. The real vs virtual loss. One is a real physical loss of items that exist and the other is a lost sale of a virtual one that could have been made (but isn’t because of the expense). I’m not saying its an ideal or ironclad argument but there IS a difference and one probably most do out of desperation and lack of resources given the opportunity, despite lofty and righteous protestations from the disingenuous.
Why do you assume because someone who might be able to buy a $600 computer or a $40 a month broadband connection could also buy a $1-5000+ software package? Money doesn’t magical appear in your bank account. It’s like saying because you could buy a car you should be able to buy a gas station.