“With the shipments, Apple grabbed a 15.4 percent share of the market during the period, while RIM finished well behind with a 12.3 percent share,” Mello reports. “Top dog in the kennel, though, remains Nokia with 26.5 percent of the worldwide market.”
MacDailyNews Note: Last November, Apple passed Nokia to become world’s most profitable handset vendor. Suffice to say, TDINO* isn’t making it up on volume.
• To understand market share vs. profits, look no further than Nokia vs. Apple – November 11, 2009
• How Apple passed Nokia to become the world’s most profitable handset vendor – November 11, 2009
• Strategy Analytics: Apple passes Nokia to become world’s most profitable handset vendor – November 10, 2009
Mello continues, “A major factor contributing to RIM’s slipping numbers is its ‘limited presence in the high-growth touchscreen segment,’ according to Strategy Analytics… The gloomy news for RIM won’t be abating soon, either, according to The Economic Times. The company isn’t making any inroads into the consumer market… To make matters worse, RIM’s bread-and-butter buyers–corporations–are starting to slide into the Apple fold.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: It’s only going to get worse for RIM.
*Top Dog In Name Only
Since we’re talking “real” quarters and not fiscal quarters, these figures include the September shipments RIM was complaining about Jobs’ comparison on Tuesday.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/27126/
Incidentally, why the discrepancy in Apple’s reported numbers? It’s 15.4 M in this article, Jobs said they shipped 14.1 M… yet both are for the quarter ending 30 September??
Since we’re talking “real” quarters and not fiscal quarters, these figures include the September shipments RIM was complaining about Jobs’ comparison on Tuesday.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/27126/
Incidentally, why the discrepancy in Apple’s reported numbers? It’s 15.4 M in this article, Jobs said they shipped 14.1 M… yet both are for the quarter ending 30 September??
MacDailyNews Take: It’s only going to get worse for RIM. [, Nokia, Google, Motorola, HTC, Samsung, …]
MacDailyNews Take: It’s only going to get worse for RIM. [, Nokia, Google, Motorola, HTC, Samsung, …]
What’s with those numbers? The units sold just happens to be the same as per cent of of market? Is the size of the market exactly $100 million. Doubt it. Something got lost in translation
What’s with those numbers? The units sold just happens to be the same as per cent of of market? Is the size of the market exactly $100 million. Doubt it. Something got lost in translation
@mossman: to answer your question:
1) Apple’s financial quarter ended by 25th September, not by 30th;
2) Apple counts its wholesale shipments for sales, which are not done via Apple.com site or Apple retail stores. The researches analyse actual buys by end-users, not wholesale buys by dealers and distributors. There could be some significant difference because of that.
@mossman: to answer your question:
1) Apple’s financial quarter ended by 25th September, not by 30th;
2) Apple counts its wholesale shipments for sales, which are not done via Apple.com site or Apple retail stores. The researches analyse actual buys by end-users, not wholesale buys by dealers and distributors. There could be some significant difference because of that.
Nokia makes smartphones? If they do, iPhone and Android are super smartphones They r not comparable because the lack of ecosystem on Nokia.
Nokia makes smartphones? If they do, iPhone and Android are super smartphones They r not comparable because the lack of ecosystem on Nokia.
The only thing right with that PC World story is th headline. The figures and the chart are all bollocks!
The only thing right with that PC World story is th headline. The figures and the chart are all bollocks!
@Wha?,
Exactly my thinking. Nokia makes smartphones?
When is the industry going to stop counting Nokia phones as smartphones. They are nothing of the sort.
@Wha?,
Exactly my thinking. Nokia makes smartphones?
When is the industry going to stop counting Nokia phones as smartphones. They are nothing of the sort.
I hate to be pissy about it, but it is Google I want to see crushed by Apple in all things they decided to compete in with Apple. Even more than Microsoft. Is that wrong? If they were a different company I would probably not feel this way. But they seem to be headed by a slimy backstabbing dirtbag. Telling the world how free and open everything they do is…what a joke.
It was a mistake for Apple to trust Google with the keys to the chicken house and probably won’t be doing anything like that again. Partners will screw you faster than enemies will everytime.
I hate to be pissy about it, but it is Google I want to see crushed by Apple in all things they decided to compete in with Apple. Even more than Microsoft. Is that wrong? If they were a different company I would probably not feel this way. But they seem to be headed by a slimy backstabbing dirtbag. Telling the world how free and open everything they do is…what a joke.
It was a mistake for Apple to trust Google with the keys to the chicken house and probably won’t be doing anything like that again. Partners will screw you faster than enemies will everytime.
The lesson I think we can all take from this is RIM should have licensed Windows Mobile when they had the chance. Pretty soon most phones will be using some variant of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone 7. Android and MAC’s misguided I-Phone will be tiny niche players. Again.
You MAC fangirls can gloat all you want about your little Android wannabe phones, but burp and fart apps don’t play in the enterprise. We all know the elephant in the room is Windows Phone 7 and it’s super great Exchange Server intergration. And when you want to let your hair down you can use the Zune player on one. Buh bye MAC.
Your potential. Our passion.™
The lesson I think we can all take from this is RIM should have licensed Windows Mobile when they had the chance. Pretty soon most phones will be using some variant of Windows Mobile or Windows Phone 7. Android and MAC’s misguided I-Phone will be tiny niche players. Again.
You MAC fangirls can gloat all you want about your little Android wannabe phones, but burp and fart apps don’t play in the enterprise. We all know the elephant in the room is Windows Phone 7 and it’s super great Exchange Server intergration. And when you want to let your hair down you can use the Zune player on one. Buh bye MAC.
Your potential. Our passion.™
— Ah Zuney… we missed you so.
Let the “sarcasm challenged” miss the boat and lay into him in 3, 2, 1…
— Ah Zuney… we missed you so.
Let the “sarcasm challenged” miss the boat and lay into him in 3, 2, 1…
There is only ONE way to solve this RIMM. It is time for the “BUY 1 GET 4 (or as many as you can carry) DEAL”.
Flood the market with FREE Blackberry phones to keep those numbers up till you have to close the doors. Maybe Microsoft will buy you out. HP bought Palm.
There is only ONE way to solve this RIMM. It is time for the “BUY 1 GET 4 (or as many as you can carry) DEAL”.
Flood the market with FREE Blackberry phones to keep those numbers up till you have to close the doors. Maybe Microsoft will buy you out. HP bought Palm.
Oh nooooooo. Quick, get the “BUY ONE GET 4 POS” program running now!!! lol
Oh nooooooo. Quick, get the “BUY ONE GET 4 POS” program running now!!! lol
I would like to see Android in that chart. Is it because they are behind the rest in numbers? Or does the stats only show the manufacture not the OS. If total Android numbers out preform RIM then they are in even worse shape. WP7 will be bad for RIM too. MS has the business clout to at least get RIM’s market to look at them. Either way RIM is in a world of hurt.
I would like to see Android in that chart. Is it because they are behind the rest in numbers? Or does the stats only show the manufacture not the OS. If total Android numbers out preform RIM then they are in even worse shape. WP7 will be bad for RIM too. MS has the business clout to at least get RIM’s market to look at them. Either way RIM is in a world of hurt.
RIM: How to lose your maxi-market share…
Sit with your thumbs up…for 3 years and them blame Steve Jobs for forcing people to buy his iPhone while you do the 2 for 1 deals.
Only 1 choice left. Hire Mighty Mouse “to save the day” and merge RIM & Nokia into the Rokia company and move it to China where Rokia is easily made and pronounced.
RIM: How to lose your maxi-market share…
Sit with your thumbs up…for 3 years and them blame Steve Jobs for forcing people to buy his iPhone while you do the 2 for 1 deals.
Only 1 choice left. Hire Mighty Mouse “to save the day” and merge RIM & Nokia into the Rokia company and move it to China where Rokia is easily made and pronounced.
Hey, welcome back, Zune. Missed you.
Hey, welcome back, Zune. Missed you.
Oh, SillyBalls will have something else to complain about.
Oh, SillyBalls will have something else to complain about.
Who cares who sells the most phones. Apple are making money hand over fist and no-one else is coming close.
Zuney – good to hear you again. Your wisdom is as always apparent. Please keep it up and cheer on your hero Mr. Ballmer. I think M$ should conduct a huge marketing campaign for the new WM7.
Who cares who sells the most phones. Apple are making money hand over fist and no-one else is coming close.
Zuney – good to hear you again. Your wisdom is as always apparent. Please keep it up and cheer on your hero Mr. Ballmer. I think M$ should conduct a huge marketing campaign for the new WM7.
Burrell…Nicely done.
Burrell…Nicely done.
Rim’s shot.
Rim’s shot.
@Zune Tang – I totally disagree; burp and fart apps are how business gets done.
@Zune Tang – I totally disagree; burp and fart apps are how business gets done.
@WetFX
WinMo will not take RIMM market Share because their Exchange sever is so overpriced.
But just wait until Apple gets a business email system in place. Then they will cream MSFT. (You heard it here first)
@WetFX
WinMo will not take RIMM market Share because their Exchange sever is so overpriced.
But just wait until Apple gets a business email system in place. Then they will cream MSFT. (You heard it here first)
I still have never seen anyone using a Zune the entire time they’ve existed. I don’t believe it’s a real product. Must be some tax write-off shenaniganery.
I still have never seen anyone using a Zune the entire time they’ve existed. I don’t believe it’s a real product. Must be some tax write-off shenaniganery.
@Zune Tang® oh… we missed u too ^^
@Zune Tang® oh… we missed u too ^^
ZuneTang is on the right side when it comes to phone security, after all the iPhone is giving up all sorts of user personal information and easily pwned just by visiting a hostile web page.
Not so with the Windows 7 phone because of the fact that nobody in their right mind uses it.
Met a old Windows DOS geek the other day, total Microsoft drone, hates Mac’s, wouldn’t give up his command line to save his life.
He had a jail broken iPhone, what does that say?
ZuneTang is on the right side when it comes to phone security, after all the iPhone is giving up all sorts of user personal information and easily pwned just by visiting a hostile web page.
Not so with the Windows 7 phone because of the fact that nobody in their right mind uses it.
Met a old Windows DOS geek the other day, total Microsoft drone, hates Mac’s, wouldn’t give up his command line to save his life.
He had a jail broken iPhone, what does that say?
it says he has/prefers an iphone.
magic: river, as in river of cash. or i’m cryin a river cause i miss chrissy.
it says he has/prefers an iphone.
magic: river, as in river of cash. or i’m cryin a river cause i miss chrissy.
So… where’s stormTard?
So… where’s stormTard?
@jmmx
I don’t believe WP7 will surpass BB; I don’t think they will surpass anyone. I do think they will take some customers away. RIM had the business market to themselves for years. Now they are in a four way fight and going what the hell happened. AT&T will be the match to watch this quarter. They have the best of all the brands slugging it out. Their outcome at the end of this quarter will be close to the outcome for the US market next year; in both the manufacturer and the OS battles.
@jmmx
I don’t believe WP7 will surpass BB; I don’t think they will surpass anyone. I do think they will take some customers away. RIM had the business market to themselves for years. Now they are in a four way fight and going what the hell happened. AT&T will be the match to watch this quarter. They have the best of all the brands slugging it out. Their outcome at the end of this quarter will be close to the outcome for the US market next year; in both the manufacturer and the OS battles.
@DeRS
“2) Apple counts its wholesale shipments for sales, which are not done via Apple.com site or Apple retail stores.”
If a corporate official of Apple did anything other than report all shipments to third parties as sales, they would be facing sanctions from the SEC and possibly the Justice Department. The General Accounting Practices require all sales to be booked and reported at the time of shipment. What the retailer does with the items is entirely their call. Apple may impose limitations on future sales based on past actions of the retailer, but has no say over how the retailer disposes of the items. A wholesale sale is a sale and ownership transfers to the retailer for all purposes.
Obviously third party analysts are not bound by these rules and can report anything they like (including completely made up numbers).
@DeRS
“2) Apple counts its wholesale shipments for sales, which are not done via Apple.com site or Apple retail stores.”
If a corporate official of Apple did anything other than report all shipments to third parties as sales, they would be facing sanctions from the SEC and possibly the Justice Department. The General Accounting Practices require all sales to be booked and reported at the time of shipment. What the retailer does with the items is entirely their call. Apple may impose limitations on future sales based on past actions of the retailer, but has no say over how the retailer disposes of the items. A wholesale sale is a sale and ownership transfers to the retailer for all purposes.
Obviously third party analysts are not bound by these rules and can report anything they like (including completely made up numbers).
How about that…Zuney escaped from the asylum. Too bad they didn’t fix her sense of humor
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Oops.. and the trajectory doesn’t look great for RIM..
Oh well, at least they have a tablet, unlike MS
Oops.. and the trajectory doesn’t look great for RIM..
Oh well, at least they have a tablet, unlike MS
On another note, our guest choir director used an iPad and a wireless transiever in this mornings worship service…he started the canned music when HE wanted to start it instead of some guy at the board possibly starting it early or late…yet another great use for the iPad.
On another note, our guest choir director used an iPad and a wireless transiever in this mornings worship service…he started the canned music when HE wanted to start it instead of some guy at the board possibly starting it early or late…yet another great use for the iPad.
W7 phone??? What a joke – no cut/paste!!! No tethering! 1K apps! U gotta be a M$ sheep/fanboi to buy/use one. But then, die hard M$ always gonna go DOS. They’re all infected, pun intended…
W7 phone??? What a joke – no cut/paste!!! No tethering! 1K apps! U gotta be a M$ sheep/fanboi to buy/use one. But then, die hard M$ always gonna go DOS. They’re all infected, pun intended…
@ ZuneTang, welcome back! Fart Apps are business Apps, how do you think I can now sell my Camels Milk? Drink camels Milk, Fart a ditty tune and cover it up by via a fart app.
Camels Milk, the only surefire way to clear your colon instantly if you are a constipated rich fat bastard!
Sorry poor thin bastards, you cannot afford my products!!!
@ ZuneTang, welcome back! Fart Apps are business Apps, how do you think I can now sell my Camels Milk? Drink camels Milk, Fart a ditty tune and cover it up by via a fart app.
Camels Milk, the only surefire way to clear your colon instantly if you are a constipated rich fat bastard!
Sorry poor thin bastards, you cannot afford my products!!!
15.4 million iPhones shipped – 15.4 million people all carrying same model, type and color of smartphone.
Another 100M patiently waiting in line to join. One smartphone to rule them all.
15.4 million iPhones shipped – 15.4 million people all carrying same model, type and color of smartphone.
Another 100M patiently waiting in line to join. One smartphone to rule them all.
I think this Zune Tang guy is a plant. I don’t trust what he says. He is surely and MS plant. We should ignore him. I will from now on.
I think this Zune Tang guy is a plant. I don’t trust what he says. He is surely and MS plant. We should ignore him. I will from now on.
THIS is the reason that all the new BB TV ads are “iPhone” generation-centeric, i.e. “We’re not your father’s business cellphone” looky here, we got a new fangled touchy-screeny-thingy too! Look we’re hip & hapenin’ we can ply MUSIC on our phones! Ooooooo muuuuuuusic.
True, but WHERE did you get the music…iTunes Store.
So for years BB laughes at Apple foe having “toy phones for teens” but WE were SERIOUS buisiness cellphones for Professionals. NOW they are spinning their celphones to be more of a “lifestyle” smartphone for the public & the “hip” generation & doing everything they can to steal the “look & feel” of Apple’s iPhone.
LAME! LOSERS! Buh Bye…
THIS is the reason that all the new BB TV ads are “iPhone” generation-centeric, i.e. “We’re not your father’s business cellphone” looky here, we got a new fangled touchy-screeny-thingy too! Look we’re hip & hapenin’ we can ply MUSIC on our phones! Ooooooo muuuuuuusic.
True, but WHERE did you get the music…iTunes Store.
So for years BB laughes at Apple foe having “toy phones for teens” but WE were SERIOUS buisiness cellphones for Professionals. NOW they are spinning their celphones to be more of a “lifestyle” smartphone for the public & the “hip” generation & doing everything they can to steal the “look & feel” of Apple’s iPhone.
LAME! LOSERS! Buh Bye…