“Be glad that Verizon Wireless isn’t getting the iPhone anytime soon – it’s the best thing that could happen for all of us,” Kevin Maney writes for Appolicious.
“Of course, it may not seem like the best thing for you, individually,” Maney writes. “You probably want the best smart phone (arguably Apple’s iPhone) on the best U.S. network (Verizon’s) – not the best smart phone on a so-so network or a so-so smart phone on the best network.”
Maney writes, “And yet, this is for the collective good. If Verizon had gotten the iPhone much earlier, the entire smart phone milieu would not be as vibrant as it is. If Verizon gets the iPhone now, the market won’t be all it could be… Eventually, the iPhone will no doubt wind up on Verizon. But, hopefully not for another year or so. Let the competitive market do a little more work to make the phones and networks better. We’ll all benefit.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Building on quicksand is a recipe for disaster, Kevin.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Henry A.” for the heads up.]
Verizon is shit.
Verizon is shit.
Hey Midwest Mac, what do you think?
Hey Midwest Mac, what do you think?
Although Kevin’s ideas are far fetched, they are interesting. I think he is right to a certain degree. If Verizon would have gotten the iPhone right away, there would have been no incentive for AT&T to upgrade their network as quickly and there would have been much less competition for Apple. Competition for Apple is needed, they will quickly grow complacent otherwise.
Although Kevin’s ideas are far fetched, they are interesting. I think he is right to a certain degree. If Verizon would have gotten the iPhone right away, there would have been no incentive for AT&T to upgrade their network as quickly and there would have been much less competition for Apple. Competition for Apple is needed, they will quickly grow complacent otherwise.
Garbage.
1. Apple doesn’t need motivation to make its products better.
2. Having an Apple presence on Verizon is a stronger incentive for Google to innovate than not having to worry about the competition.
3. Having the best phone on the market on your competition’s arguably better network is stronger incentive for ATT to innovate than sitting on the ass of their exclusive agreement.
No part of that article is right.
Garbage.
1. Apple doesn’t need motivation to make its products better.
2. Having an Apple presence on Verizon is a stronger incentive for Google to innovate than not having to worry about the competition.
3. Having the best phone on the market on your competition’s arguably better network is stronger incentive for ATT to innovate than sitting on the ass of their exclusive agreement.
No part of that article is right.
I agree. Verizon sucks!
I agree. Verizon sucks!
Networks competed with each other for years and it didn’t make crappy phones any better. Competition is not what made the smartphone market what it is. It was Apple, and only Apple. The best thing for improving the networks more is for Steve to say ‘you’re my bitch’. Period. No one else it seems has ever been able to do this, or has everyone forgotten already how we used to pay monthly fees for crappy games on feature phones and everyone was just perfectly okay with it? I haven’t.
Networks competed with each other for years and it didn’t make crappy phones any better. Competition is not what made the smartphone market what it is. It was Apple, and only Apple. The best thing for improving the networks more is for Steve to say ‘you’re my bitch’. Period. No one else it seems has ever been able to do this, or has everyone forgotten already how we used to pay monthly fees for crappy games on feature phones and everyone was just perfectly okay with it? I haven’t.
I agree but for different reasons – I’m hoping that one day America will wake up and realise that the WHOLE FRIKKEN WORLD is on GSM, and CDMA just allows your carriers to control and own you even more than carriers in other parts of the world want to control their subscribers.
hmm, MDN magic word is ‘nations’ how appropriate.
I agree but for different reasons – I’m hoping that one day America will wake up and realise that the WHOLE FRIKKEN WORLD is on GSM, and CDMA just allows your carriers to control and own you even more than carriers in other parts of the world want to control their subscribers.
hmm, MDN magic word is ‘nations’ how appropriate.
Verizon sucks, and there are those twisted, greedy, ignoramuses who believe capitalism exists for their own personal profit rather than “encouraging” competition. It’s the American Way.
According to some, no need to name names.
Verizon sucks, and there are those twisted, greedy, ignoramuses who believe capitalism exists for their own personal profit rather than “encouraging” competition. It’s the American Way.
According to some, no need to name names.
I hope that Tmobile gets the iPhone, and then Sprint gets the iPhone, and that Verizon is left to suffer in it’s own cesspool of mediocrity iPhoneless forever.
I hope that Tmobile gets the iPhone, and then Sprint gets the iPhone, and that Verizon is left to suffer in it’s own cesspool of mediocrity iPhoneless forever.
OK. Here is why the iPhone will NEVER be on a CDMA network. It’s very simple actually. Apple is all about the user experience. With an iPhone, you can talk to someone and surf the web AT THE SAME TIME. Apple even touted this capability in advertisements. This is a Very Big Thing™
Until Verizon can support this capability on it’s network, it will not get to sell iPhones. Apple will not sell a LESS capable phone. Simply won’t happen. Can you imagine how tired Apple will get of answering tech support calls like this:
caller: I can’t get to the internet when I’m on a call.
Apple: Who is your service provider?
caller: You are! It’s an iPhone! (yes people, in general, are this stupid)
Apple: Yes, it’s an iPhone, but who provides you cell phone service? AT&T or Verizon?
caller: Oh, yeah! Verizon.
Apple: I’m sorry, Verizon doesn’t support that feature.
caller: But it’s a friggin’ iPhone! I saw it in a commercial!
Apple: I’m sorry, but Verizon’s network is a CDMA…
caller: It’s NOT a CD, it’s an iPhone!
Multiply that by a few million and you get the picture.
A friend of mine got a motorola Droid he was very proud of. He is a total tech geek, but didn’t realize that he couldn’t do that until I pointed it out to him. “Just as good as an iPhone!”… yeah, right.
OK. Here is why the iPhone will NEVER be on a CDMA network. It’s very simple actually. Apple is all about the user experience. With an iPhone, you can talk to someone and surf the web AT THE SAME TIME. Apple even touted this capability in advertisements. This is a Very Big Thing™
Until Verizon can support this capability on it’s network, it will not get to sell iPhones. Apple will not sell a LESS capable phone. Simply won’t happen. Can you imagine how tired Apple will get of answering tech support calls like this:
caller: I can’t get to the internet when I’m on a call.
Apple: Who is your service provider?
caller: You are! It’s an iPhone! (yes people, in general, are this stupid)
Apple: Yes, it’s an iPhone, but who provides you cell phone service? AT&T or Verizon?
caller: Oh, yeah! Verizon.
Apple: I’m sorry, Verizon doesn’t support that feature.
caller: But it’s a friggin’ iPhone! I saw it in a commercial!
Apple: I’m sorry, but Verizon’s network is a CDMA…
caller: It’s NOT a CD, it’s an iPhone!
Multiply that by a few million and you get the picture.
A friend of mine got a motorola Droid he was very proud of. He is a total tech geek, but didn’t realize that he couldn’t do that until I pointed it out to him. “Just as good as an iPhone!”… yeah, right.
Verizon should only go without the iPhone if their demands are too odious for Steve to comply. If not, then it means more sales for Apple and less crevices for their ungrateful competitors to hide. Therefore none of you should be against a Verizon iPhone. Holding a grudge because the previous executive leadership turned down Steve’s offer to revolutionize the world is a waste of your time. The past is the past and we’re here to deal with today and tomorrow.
And if you hold a grudge because of a bad experience with Verizon, then you can keep your ATT iPhone and reward ATT’s acceptance of Steve’s vision with your continued payments to their billing department. The ATT iPhone won’t become an endangered species. If we’re lucky enough, you’ll be able to purchase an iPhone for use with any US carrier which is my ultimate dream.
Verizon should only go without the iPhone if their demands are too odious for Steve to comply. If not, then it means more sales for Apple and less crevices for their ungrateful competitors to hide. Therefore none of you should be against a Verizon iPhone. Holding a grudge because the previous executive leadership turned down Steve’s offer to revolutionize the world is a waste of your time. The past is the past and we’re here to deal with today and tomorrow.
And if you hold a grudge because of a bad experience with Verizon, then you can keep your ATT iPhone and reward ATT’s acceptance of Steve’s vision with your continued payments to their billing department. The ATT iPhone won’t become an endangered species. If we’re lucky enough, you’ll be able to purchase an iPhone for use with any US carrier which is my ultimate dream.
@ WindozeKiller
Funny, and I agree with the gist… Yet CDMA iPhones are currently being built (allegedly). For who?
@ WindozeKiller
Funny, and I agree with the gist… Yet CDMA iPhones are currently being built (allegedly). For who?
@WindozeKiller,
Amazing. This is the same company that released an iPod nano with a camera and video viewing capabilities one year, running millions of dollars worth of ads that touted the features, only to abruptly remove them the very next. If Steve thinks an iPhone on Verizon and Sprint means healthier earnings for Apple, do you really think he’ll hesitate because of some dumb ass commercial they ran a year ago?
As far as Steve is concerned, if you absolutely need an iPhone that can maintain a simultaneous voice and data connection then you can buy the ATT and/or T-Mobile model. He really doesn’t give a shit otherwise, and I’m sure he’ll express that to you in no uncertain terms should you e-mail him with such a complaint on your Verizon iPhone.
@WindozeKiller,
Amazing. This is the same company that released an iPod nano with a camera and video viewing capabilities one year, running millions of dollars worth of ads that touted the features, only to abruptly remove them the very next. If Steve thinks an iPhone on Verizon and Sprint means healthier earnings for Apple, do you really think he’ll hesitate because of some dumb ass commercial they ran a year ago?
As far as Steve is concerned, if you absolutely need an iPhone that can maintain a simultaneous voice and data connection then you can buy the ATT and/or T-Mobile model. He really doesn’t give a shit otherwise, and I’m sure he’ll express that to you in no uncertain terms should you e-mail him with such a complaint on your Verizon iPhone.
I am extremely happy that Android has had fertile ground to come from behind and give Apple a run for its money. For the record, I have bought 9 iPhones (one of each of the four versions for my girlfriend and I, plus one to replace a phone she broke). I have not bought a single Android phone.
But Apple needs competition. Yes even Apple with Steve Jobs needs competition. The iPhone is not the best on all fronts. Its not the best deal for tethering. I love the quality control of the iTunes App Store but I would like the option of buying apps at my own discretion from other stores. And more importantly, it could be better in ways you and I have not yet imagined. Some of those ways Apple will think of for us, but some will come from other places, most likely the Android ecosystem.
I hope Apple keeps breaking the mold and keeps being financially rewarded for it, but I am very happy Android picked up the gauntlet that Microsoft, Palm and RIM left laying on the floor. Even if the Android ecosystem only manages to copy Apple (and only make the meager profits they deserve for that) they will be doing all mobile phone users a favor by keeping the heat on, and Apple on its toes.
I am extremely happy that Android has had fertile ground to come from behind and give Apple a run for its money. For the record, I have bought 9 iPhones (one of each of the four versions for my girlfriend and I, plus one to replace a phone she broke). I have not bought a single Android phone.
But Apple needs competition. Yes even Apple with Steve Jobs needs competition. The iPhone is not the best on all fronts. Its not the best deal for tethering. I love the quality control of the iTunes App Store but I would like the option of buying apps at my own discretion from other stores. And more importantly, it could be better in ways you and I have not yet imagined. Some of those ways Apple will think of for us, but some will come from other places, most likely the Android ecosystem.
I hope Apple keeps breaking the mold and keeps being financially rewarded for it, but I am very happy Android picked up the gauntlet that Microsoft, Palm and RIM left laying on the floor. Even if the Android ecosystem only manages to copy Apple (and only make the meager profits they deserve for that) they will be doing all mobile phone users a favor by keeping the heat on, and Apple on its toes.
@ Silverhawk
Yes.
@ Silverhawk
Yes.
I live in southwest Connecticut and Verizon is the only good carrier here. AT&T is crap around here. I really want the iPhone but it’ll be only worth buying IF I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE CALLS. GET VERIZON ON THE IPHONE VERY SOON.
I live in southwest Connecticut and Verizon is the only good carrier here. AT&T is crap around here. I really want the iPhone but it’ll be only worth buying IF I CAN ACTUALLY MAKE CALLS. GET VERIZON ON THE IPHONE VERY SOON.
AT&T acquired Cingular, which means that apple joined the party (on launch day) when two companies were becoming 1. Did any other company have such a set up when the iPhone officially launched?
AT&T acquired Cingular, which means that apple joined the party (on launch day) when two companies were becoming 1. Did any other company have such a set up when the iPhone officially launched?
@Nevermind,
Can you demonstrate in any way how Android has kept Apple on its toes so far? What exactly has the competition spurred Apple to do that they otherwise wouldn’t? Did Android force them to add the iPhone 3GS’ video recorder or design the iOS 4.0 multi-tasking mechanism? Is Android the reason they created the iPad? I hope none of those are your examples.
I can’t see anything Apple has done over the past couple years that just wasn’t rolled out according to schedule, which is still at times frustratingly slow and obviously structured around the concept of planned obsolescence.
@Nevermind,
Can you demonstrate in any way how Android has kept Apple on its toes so far? What exactly has the competition spurred Apple to do that they otherwise wouldn’t? Did Android force them to add the iPhone 3GS’ video recorder or design the iOS 4.0 multi-tasking mechanism? Is Android the reason they created the iPad? I hope none of those are your examples.
I can’t see anything Apple has done over the past couple years that just wasn’t rolled out according to schedule, which is still at times frustratingly slow and obviously structured around the concept of planned obsolescence.
Gah I hate verison. They put ridiculous limits on then won’t tell you how close you are to those limits, there tech support sucks, and if you use them for data they drop the connection every 5-30 minutes (not to mention vzam sucks and screws up your machine)
Gah I hate verison. They put ridiculous limits on then won’t tell you how close you are to those limits, there tech support sucks, and if you use them for data they drop the connection every 5-30 minutes (not to mention vzam sucks and screws up your machine)
Here’s something for you all to consider.
It is rumored that Apple is going with a new baseband chipset (from Qualcomm?) that will do both GSM and CDMA from the same chip. If true, in the short term this allows Apple to sell to pretty much any customer it wants. In the US this means AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc. There’s also a large number of CDMA networks in Japan and South Korea. Don’t laugh or underestimate the importance of this. CDMA (while it still has the shortcoming of no simultaneous voice and data) is a superior technology to GSM. It would be hard to explain why in short terms, but I will try. GSM has a fixed number of terminals per antenna (terminals means end-point devices, like phones and wifi modems). If that number were 2000 (and I don’t know what the actual number is, this is just a mental exercise), then 2 antennas/towers would allow for 4000 simultaneous terminal connections. CDMA doesn’t work that way. It scales more like a geometric curve. With each tower you add, you can handle more terminals than a mere linear curve, e.g. 2 towers = 5000+, 3 towers = 9000+, that sort of thing. The only real downside, as has been mentioned, is the inability to do simultaneous voice and data. CDMA vs. GSM is like Betamax vs. VHS, in a sense.
Now, perhaps you can see why Verizon has the “Nations largest 3G Network” or any of the other things they are bragging about. CDMA means they scale better than GSM.
Here’s the interesting thing, though. Verizon and AT&T are going to use LTE for their 4G network. Guess what… LTE is based on GSM. What does that mean for Verizon? Yeah. They’re in the hurt box. Suddenly that CDMA advantage goes bye-bye. All of the fun they’ve been having at AT&T’s expense? They know what the writing on the wall is. AT&T is already fully GSM and therefore much more ready for LTE rollout. CDMA will be with us for several years to come. Apple is smart to get in the hands of those potential customers before we’re all on a more or less unified platform (LTE).
Also of note: LTE/4G is fully IP based. Voice and data are not differentiated as such any more. It’s all going to be over IP. Your calls will be VoIP and therefore all phones on LTE will be able to do voice and data at the same time.
Here’s something for you all to consider.
It is rumored that Apple is going with a new baseband chipset (from Qualcomm?) that will do both GSM and CDMA from the same chip. If true, in the short term this allows Apple to sell to pretty much any customer it wants. In the US this means AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc. There’s also a large number of CDMA networks in Japan and South Korea. Don’t laugh or underestimate the importance of this. CDMA (while it still has the shortcoming of no simultaneous voice and data) is a superior technology to GSM. It would be hard to explain why in short terms, but I will try. GSM has a fixed number of terminals per antenna (terminals means end-point devices, like phones and wifi modems). If that number were 2000 (and I don’t know what the actual number is, this is just a mental exercise), then 2 antennas/towers would allow for 4000 simultaneous terminal connections. CDMA doesn’t work that way. It scales more like a geometric curve. With each tower you add, you can handle more terminals than a mere linear curve, e.g. 2 towers = 5000+, 3 towers = 9000+, that sort of thing. The only real downside, as has been mentioned, is the inability to do simultaneous voice and data. CDMA vs. GSM is like Betamax vs. VHS, in a sense.
Now, perhaps you can see why Verizon has the “Nations largest 3G Network” or any of the other things they are bragging about. CDMA means they scale better than GSM.
Here’s the interesting thing, though. Verizon and AT&T are going to use LTE for their 4G network. Guess what… LTE is based on GSM. What does that mean for Verizon? Yeah. They’re in the hurt box. Suddenly that CDMA advantage goes bye-bye. All of the fun they’ve been having at AT&T’s expense? They know what the writing on the wall is. AT&T is already fully GSM and therefore much more ready for LTE rollout. CDMA will be with us for several years to come. Apple is smart to get in the hands of those potential customers before we’re all on a more or less unified platform (LTE).
Also of note: LTE/4G is fully IP based. Voice and data are not differentiated as such any more. It’s all going to be over IP. Your calls will be VoIP and therefore all phones on LTE will be able to do voice and data at the same time.
Why keep arguing this dead horse conversation? Does it really matter what all these analyst say anymore. until there is a prototype out in the wild getting spotted here and there, forget about all this nonsense. Only Apple knows what their game plan is. Android isn’t iOS by no means but it really isn’t too bad for a substitute.
As it goes ALL CELLULAR COMPANIES SUCK ASS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. THANK YOU FCC!
Argue all you want who is better, it’s all a regional opinion anyway. what’s good in area is bad in another. Until the government grasp the notion that we are so damn behind most of the modern world and start easing restrictions for structure building this is just a dumb argument.
Why keep arguing this dead horse conversation? Does it really matter what all these analyst say anymore. until there is a prototype out in the wild getting spotted here and there, forget about all this nonsense. Only Apple knows what their game plan is. Android isn’t iOS by no means but it really isn’t too bad for a substitute.
As it goes ALL CELLULAR COMPANIES SUCK ASS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. THANK YOU FCC!
Argue all you want who is better, it’s all a regional opinion anyway. what’s good in area is bad in another. Until the government grasp the notion that we are so damn behind most of the modern world and start easing restrictions for structure building this is just a dumb argument.
Verizon is actually a conglomerate of multiple companies. Each of these companies must be negotiated with in order to sign a contract with apple. No easy task. And this is all in process. Anything can blow this up… but it is going to happen…
Verizon is actually a conglomerate of multiple companies. Each of these companies must be negotiated with in order to sign a contract with apple. No easy task. And this is all in process. Anything can blow this up… but it is going to happen…
@R2,
I can’t tell you how Apple would have rolled things out differently without the growing threat of Android any more than you can, with any credibility. But fair competition never hurt the consumer, or any company with its game on, and the lack of it has. Not sure how some great things Apple has done (iPad, etc) are supposed to show that Econ 101 is no longer valid.
@R2,
I can’t tell you how Apple would have rolled things out differently without the growing threat of Android any more than you can, with any credibility. But fair competition never hurt the consumer, or any company with its game on, and the lack of it has. Not sure how some great things Apple has done (iPad, etc) are supposed to show that Econ 101 is no longer valid.
I don’t like Venison, too gamey.
I don’t like Venison, too gamey.
Kevin. You’re an idiot. Take my iPhone and see how happy you are with dropped calls almost daily. It may not be all AT&T’s fault. Maybe the iPhone could use some improvement? All I know is I’m tired of losing calls. I basically have an iPod Touch with a lousy phone attached. That’s reality. I do wonder why people with regular cell phones on AT&T standing next to me don’t ever have dropped calls? Sorry, I’m not a kool aid drinker. I just want it to work. All other features on my iPhone work so it makes you wonder?
Kevin. You’re an idiot. Take my iPhone and see how happy you are with dropped calls almost daily. It may not be all AT&T’s fault. Maybe the iPhone could use some improvement? All I know is I’m tired of losing calls. I basically have an iPod Touch with a lousy phone attached. That’s reality. I do wonder why people with regular cell phones on AT&T standing next to me don’t ever have dropped calls? Sorry, I’m not a kool aid drinker. I just want it to work. All other features on my iPhone work so it makes you wonder?
My translation – Look what happened with iPod and the iTunes Store, and is currently happening with iPad. Not very “vibrant” for the competition, because Apple took the initiative and risk, leveraged the early lead to the max, and became dominant.
Microsoft being dominant means stagnation and “milking the cash cow.” Apple in the late 80’s and early 90’s was just like Microsoft in this respect. Fortunately, for Apple 2.0 (since the return of Steve Jobs), being dominant means continued innovation to prevent any chance that the competition will catch up.
With iPhone, I have to believe that Apple actually wants some alternatives to iPhone to be available, including even Windows Phone 7. I think Apple wants RIM and Nokia to be gone, because they are the remaining big players that make the “whole” device; they compete in the same game as Apple’s iPhone.
Android and Windows Phone 7 are playing a completely different game; they are for the lazy hardware makers who entrust something as important as their products’ OS and built-in software to a third party. Android and Windows Phone 7 will only serve to marginalize and commoditize those competing products, because they will all start to look the same as cut-throat competition favors the “lowest common denominator” and reduces profit margin to near zero.
Meanwhile, Apple (perhaps with RIM, Nokia, and maybe HP) have the ability to create distinctive products. If they are distinctive AND desirable, profit per unit will be high. Apple has shown (with both iPhone and Mac) that it can dominate in profit with a relatively small market share. I believe that’s what Apple really wants… and no Verizon iPhone may fit into that desire (for now).
My translation – Look what happened with iPod and the iTunes Store, and is currently happening with iPad. Not very “vibrant” for the competition, because Apple took the initiative and risk, leveraged the early lead to the max, and became dominant.
Microsoft being dominant means stagnation and “milking the cash cow.” Apple in the late 80’s and early 90’s was just like Microsoft in this respect. Fortunately, for Apple 2.0 (since the return of Steve Jobs), being dominant means continued innovation to prevent any chance that the competition will catch up.
With iPhone, I have to believe that Apple actually wants some alternatives to iPhone to be available, including even Windows Phone 7. I think Apple wants RIM and Nokia to be gone, because they are the remaining big players that make the “whole” device; they compete in the same game as Apple’s iPhone.
Android and Windows Phone 7 are playing a completely different game; they are for the lazy hardware makers who entrust something as important as their products’ OS and built-in software to a third party. Android and Windows Phone 7 will only serve to marginalize and commoditize those competing products, because they will all start to look the same as cut-throat competition favors the “lowest common denominator” and reduces profit margin to near zero.
Meanwhile, Apple (perhaps with RIM, Nokia, and maybe HP) have the ability to create distinctive products. If they are distinctive AND desirable, profit per unit will be high. Apple has shown (with both iPhone and Mac) that it can dominate in profit with a relatively small market share. I believe that’s what Apple really wants… and no Verizon iPhone may fit into that desire (for now).
Hmm, I phone over Skype most of the time. Outside my house too. There is free Wi-Fi in my city… Isn’t that coming in the US too? Public Wi-Fi?
Hmm, I phone over Skype most of the time. Outside my house too. There is free Wi-Fi in my city… Isn’t that coming in the US too? Public Wi-Fi?
@R2
“Amazing. This is the same company that released an iPod nano with a camera and video viewing capabilities one year, running millions of dollars worth of ads that touted the features, only to abruptly remove them the very next. If Steve thinks an iPhone on Verizon and Sprint means healthier earnings for Apple, do you really think he’ll hesitate because of some dumb ass commercial they ran a year ago?”
I don’t think this all about the whims of Steve as you seem to think it is. Obviously, Apple are moving their products in a certain direction, and improving the baseline all the time…
To me, Apple now seems back on track with their models and features. The camera on last year’s Nano seemed more to me like a “me too, spec sheet addition”, an appeasement, since the iPod touch was rumored to get a camera but didn’t afterall.
Last year, iPod Touch didn’t have a camera. Last year, Nano had a camera, but no iOS.
This year, the Nano is moving up by gaining iOS; that gives it a better base for the future, with greater potential. The Nano will get better games and other apps than it has so far. Maybe the smaller form factor will get a camera again in a later version. Meanwhile, it is joining the iPod Touch in iOS land. Meanwhile, the iPod touch can do more with video, having a larger screen and more power, thus more app capability.
@R2
“Amazing. This is the same company that released an iPod nano with a camera and video viewing capabilities one year, running millions of dollars worth of ads that touted the features, only to abruptly remove them the very next. If Steve thinks an iPhone on Verizon and Sprint means healthier earnings for Apple, do you really think he’ll hesitate because of some dumb ass commercial they ran a year ago?”
I don’t think this all about the whims of Steve as you seem to think it is. Obviously, Apple are moving their products in a certain direction, and improving the baseline all the time…
To me, Apple now seems back on track with their models and features. The camera on last year’s Nano seemed more to me like a “me too, spec sheet addition”, an appeasement, since the iPod touch was rumored to get a camera but didn’t afterall.
Last year, iPod Touch didn’t have a camera. Last year, Nano had a camera, but no iOS.
This year, the Nano is moving up by gaining iOS; that gives it a better base for the future, with greater potential. The Nano will get better games and other apps than it has so far. Maybe the smaller form factor will get a camera again in a later version. Meanwhile, it is joining the iPod Touch in iOS land. Meanwhile, the iPod touch can do more with video, having a larger screen and more power, thus more app capability.
People who think that the iPhone is coming to Verizon do not understand Verizon’s management.
People who think that the iPhone is coming to Verizon do not understand Verizon’s management.
@ChrissyOne
You hit the proverbial nail. Why does everyone say Apple will get complacent and needs a foil???? Apple continues to develop Mac, expand iPod’s, AppleTV, they started the created such a new level of smartphone, everyone else just paused and began to try to copy it.
It’s the competition that is complacent and Apple is kicking them to new heights based on Apple’s products.
Not saying Apple is all good, (missing front facing camera on iPad???)
It’s so obvious, every copy cat slate has it.
But that’s a product feature only, not a technological oversight.
@ChrissyOne
You hit the proverbial nail. Why does everyone say Apple will get complacent and needs a foil???? Apple continues to develop Mac, expand iPod’s, AppleTV, they started the created such a new level of smartphone, everyone else just paused and began to try to copy it.
It’s the competition that is complacent and Apple is kicking them to new heights based on Apple’s products.
Not saying Apple is all good, (missing front facing camera on iPad???)
It’s so obvious, every copy cat slate has it.
But that’s a product feature only, not a technological oversight.
If not Verizon than who, Sprint?
If not Verizon than who, Sprint?
How is a wireless network that does not even allow voice and data use at the sametime the best?
How is a wireless network that does not even allow voice and data use at the sametime the best?
AT&T either sucks or is really good depending on where you live. I feel sorry for those in areas like NY and San Fran because AT&T has great coverage in So. Fl.
AT&T either sucks or is really good depending on where you live. I feel sorry for those in areas like NY and San Fran because AT&T has great coverage in So. Fl.
Had Verizon for a few years and they nickeled and dimed me to death. Buy a phone from any carrier but Verizon and you can download and install your own ringtones. Verizon blocks their phones and prevents you from doing this and requires you to buy ringtones from them. Do you like the visual voice mail AT&T provides for free? Not so with Verizon, it’s an option that you pay for. I could go on and on, but you get the point. Then just wait until you have a problem with them and contact customer service where you’ll be exposed to the most uncaring, rude and arrogant folks on the face of the planet. Verizon? Thanks, but no thanks – been there and learned my lesson.
Had Verizon for a few years and they nickeled and dimed me to death. Buy a phone from any carrier but Verizon and you can download and install your own ringtones. Verizon blocks their phones and prevents you from doing this and requires you to buy ringtones from them. Do you like the visual voice mail AT&T provides for free? Not so with Verizon, it’s an option that you pay for. I could go on and on, but you get the point. Then just wait until you have a problem with them and contact customer service where you’ll be exposed to the most uncaring, rude and arrogant folks on the face of the planet. Verizon? Thanks, but no thanks – been there and learned my lesson.
@R2,
“This is the same company that released an iPod nano with a camera and video viewing capabilities one year, running millions of dollars worth of ads that touted the features, only to abruptly remove them the very next.”
Actually, I think that given current sales numbers, Steve Jobs is re tasking the iPod Nano to be more of a fashion statement mp3 player. Note how its designed to be right in your face, showing its color, flash and panash (sp)??
I think the older model will be around in the Apple refurb store for some time for those of us that prefer the older model.
Just a thought,
en
@R2,
“This is the same company that released an iPod nano with a camera and video viewing capabilities one year, running millions of dollars worth of ads that touted the features, only to abruptly remove them the very next.”
Actually, I think that given current sales numbers, Steve Jobs is re tasking the iPod Nano to be more of a fashion statement mp3 player. Note how its designed to be right in your face, showing its color, flash and panash (sp)??
I think the older model will be around in the Apple refurb store for some time for those of us that prefer the older model.
Just a thought,
en
I have a solution – and I’m on Verizon.
I have no AT&T signal here – and Verizon has a tower a few blocks from my house.
So, I have a Verizon LG clamshell cell phone – and a Verizon MiFi that lets me use my version 4 iPod touch to surf the web or read my emails. I can surf the web or see my iCal calendar while I talk on my cell phone.
It works great for me – and I can wait for an iPhone. My next purchase will be a v.2. iPad.
I have a solution – and I’m on Verizon.
I have no AT&T signal here – and Verizon has a tower a few blocks from my house.
So, I have a Verizon LG clamshell cell phone – and a Verizon MiFi that lets me use my version 4 iPod touch to surf the web or read my emails. I can surf the web or see my iCal calendar while I talk on my cell phone.
It works great for me – and I can wait for an iPhone. My next purchase will be a v.2. iPad.
I live in a large metro area & work as a weekender at a small rural hospital. AT&T sucks in both places and Verizon is good in both. The little town is on Edge, where Verizon has very good 3G.
BTW- earlier this week on Bloomberg I read Verizon has over 60 cities ready for LTE 4G, which will be launching early 2011, and will have more ready by launch date. My guess is that the Verizon iPhone will be a 4G model.
I live in a large metro area & work as a weekender at a small rural hospital. AT&T sucks in both places and Verizon is good in both. The little town is on Edge, where Verizon has very good 3G.
BTW- earlier this week on Bloomberg I read Verizon has over 60 cities ready for LTE 4G, which will be launching early 2011, and will have more ready by launch date. My guess is that the Verizon iPhone will be a 4G model.
@R2
wow. this is unexpected from you; a voice of reason. Or at least, I agree with just about everything you’ve said so far. Keep it up. It’s much more interesting than your usual vitriol.
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Steve Jobs doesn’t look back. Period.
Anyone who thinks Steve Jobs controls every aspect of every product, including marketing television commercials, making a list, checking it twice, to find out who’s naughty and nice, couldn’t be more wrong.
He doesn’t cling to yesterday’s news, nor does keep score, like some of you would have us believe. He’s not that petty and he certainly isn’t vindictive. He would tell you himself, to carry around as much hostility as you prescribe, would poison a person from within.
Steve Jobs is all about the future and what Apple is doing to close the distance between then and now. He’s immersed in the next great thing and doesn’t have time to mull over iterations of previous products, and I believe, if he had his way, we’d all receive free upgrades, provided we turned over our previous models, so that he could have them destroyed!
If you had him over for tea, to show him your prized collection of Apple products, he’d take one look at your Mac Cube, and take a ball bat to it.
Looking at yesterday’s products only serves to remind him of the inherent weaknesses in that particular product. Like an artist who can see the flaws of their work, they have to draw a line somewhere, otherwise they’d never move forward.
Living with your flaws is hard enough without being reminded of them at every turn.
Steve Jobs doesn’t look back and he certainly doesn’t want to marinate is past accomplishments. If you bring up the past he’ll offer his mea culpas and then quickly move the conversation to the developments made possible by past accomplishments. If you can’t engage him about the possibilities of what’s to come, he’ll simply move on.
You won’t score points by telling him how wonderful your latest Mac product is, because he knows better.
Once a product launch is wrapped up and his obligatory preamble is legally and morally finished, he can focus all of his attention on the drawing board. Tim Cook says so.
Unless there is some dramatically new offshoot of an existing product, he leaves the iterations for his lieutenants to cultivate any additional profits. Failing that, he will pull the plug, because he doesn’t suffer products with little or no prospects of progress, or future development.
Steve Jobs doesn’t look back.
@R2
wow. this is unexpected from you; a voice of reason. Or at least, I agree with just about everything you’ve said so far. Keep it up. It’s much more interesting than your usual vitriol.
•
Steve Jobs doesn’t look back. Period.
Anyone who thinks Steve Jobs controls every aspect of every product, including marketing television commercials, making a list, checking it twice, to find out who’s naughty and nice, couldn’t be more wrong.
He doesn’t cling to yesterday’s news, nor does keep score, like some of you would have us believe. He’s not that petty and he certainly isn’t vindictive. He would tell you himself, to carry around as much hostility as you prescribe, would poison a person from within.
Steve Jobs is all about the future and what Apple is doing to close the distance between then and now. He’s immersed in the next great thing and doesn’t have time to mull over iterations of previous products, and I believe, if he had his way, we’d all receive free upgrades, provided we turned over our previous models, so that he could have them destroyed!
If you had him over for tea, to show him your prized collection of Apple products, he’d take one look at your Mac Cube, and take a ball bat to it.
Looking at yesterday’s products only serves to remind him of the inherent weaknesses in that particular product. Like an artist who can see the flaws of their work, they have to draw a line somewhere, otherwise they’d never move forward.
Living with your flaws is hard enough without being reminded of them at every turn.
Steve Jobs doesn’t look back and he certainly doesn’t want to marinate is past accomplishments. If you bring up the past he’ll offer his mea culpas and then quickly move the conversation to the developments made possible by past accomplishments. If you can’t engage him about the possibilities of what’s to come, he’ll simply move on.
You won’t score points by telling him how wonderful your latest Mac product is, because he knows better.
Once a product launch is wrapped up and his obligatory preamble is legally and morally finished, he can focus all of his attention on the drawing board. Tim Cook says so.
Unless there is some dramatically new offshoot of an existing product, he leaves the iterations for his lieutenants to cultivate any additional profits. Failing that, he will pull the plug, because he doesn’t suffer products with little or no prospects of progress, or future development.
Steve Jobs doesn’t look back.
Why do I not have problems with my unlimited AT&T data service of my iPad ?
Why do I not have problems with my unlimited AT&T data service of my iPad ?
everyone who says Apple needs competition has been proven wrong since 2002. iPod has no competition, iphone, ipad, mac osx, etc – yet Apple keeps pushing the limit for its own sake. Some readers don’t understand ambition at all, you do it for yourself – not others. Apple’s ‘competitors’ aren’t competitors because they’re trying to beat Apple by copying it – not making the best products because they SHOULD, but simply so people less aware will see these actions as competing. It isn’t.
The general public with misinformed ideas about competition is to blame for most that is wrong. A lot of CEOs should be fired before the company goes down, or the CEOs salary causes more layoffs than innovation, but that doesn’t happen. People claim copying is ‘competition’, and duplicating is ‘innovation’ until the CEO eventually leaves the rest of the company with empty bank accounts. Stop looking at Apple, the only true innovator as less, and lesser companies as more, you’re simply causing your own demise.
everyone who says Apple needs competition has been proven wrong since 2002. iPod has no competition, iphone, ipad, mac osx, etc – yet Apple keeps pushing the limit for its own sake. Some readers don’t understand ambition at all, you do it for yourself – not others. Apple’s ‘competitors’ aren’t competitors because they’re trying to beat Apple by copying it – not making the best products because they SHOULD, but simply so people less aware will see these actions as competing. It isn’t.
The general public with misinformed ideas about competition is to blame for most that is wrong. A lot of CEOs should be fired before the company goes down, or the CEOs salary causes more layoffs than innovation, but that doesn’t happen. People claim copying is ‘competition’, and duplicating is ‘innovation’ until the CEO eventually leaves the rest of the company with empty bank accounts. Stop looking at Apple, the only true innovator as less, and lesser companies as more, you’re simply causing your own demise.
i’ll make it very simple – the ‘competition’ is trying to be Steve Jobs – while he IS Steve Jobs, and you can’t beat someone at being themselves.
Trying to be Michael Jordan will always place you second, trying to be someone who is better than Michael Jordan may make you first.
i’ll make it very simple – the ‘competition’ is trying to be Steve Jobs – while he IS Steve Jobs, and you can’t beat someone at being themselves.
Trying to be Michael Jordan will always place you second, trying to be someone who is better than Michael Jordan may make you first.
One of the more idiotic articles to appear on MDN recently.
One of the more idiotic articles to appear on MDN recently.
@alansky
Couldn’t agree more.
@alansky
Couldn’t agree more.
Sorry, you are totally wrong.
AT&T is the best Network. At least when it comes to data speed. I have read at least two independent studies over the last year that confirms this. Faster than both Sprint, Verizon, Tmobile etc. And everyone is just as surprised everytime when it’s proven Veeizon is not the best.
Reallity and perception are two very different things.
Sorry, you are totally wrong.
AT&T is the best Network. At least when it comes to data speed. I have read at least two independent studies over the last year that confirms this. Faster than both Sprint, Verizon, Tmobile etc. And everyone is just as surprised everytime when it’s proven Veeizon is not the best.
Reallity and perception are two very different things.
I’m know by many of friends and family as the geek. I’m the guy all my friends hand their devices to me without question I’ve played with hundreds of devices and all these different touch screens. Yes Android has some really cool features and some of those phones have features that dwarf options on the iPhone iOS platform . But… Speaking of touch screens every single touch based phone has horrible touch calibration except for the iPhone. 2ndly android’s UI is a clunky iOS rip off in fact they all rip off the iOS UI some better than others. Android it’s Linux… 1 comment ” welcome to the world of non standards” the brutal clunky road of Linux – iPhone = UNIX (Darwin) ” stable “
So you may ask what do you mean android has the same fractured path as everything linux based? Well.. For instance.. One app might work for one droid and not the next because this app wants this kinda text input either via touch or button or both different carriers with proprietary apps in the market
In fact I personally do hear people bitch about droid phones all the time whats their reason the wanted an iPhone but this was cheaper soo… Yeah a sanyo stereo might be cheaper and have a bunch of cool features but that Sony over there will last longer and more stable and responsive in the longrun. Apple actually adhears to a specific HUI ( human user interface ) in iOS and in Mac OS. android … Well it changes from phone to phone but in general it has a few unessary steps to reach any app and I have to say the android market app was a word far more epic than lame & generic it sucks on the subject of apps just today a friend handed me a galaxy s and me being a musican downloaded a synth app on their phone I played with it and its god awful screen calibration then without warning the screen went black and rebooted wow day 1 out of the box sure that happens to any phone but day 1 really? Nore could I play the piano with a shit. The multitouch response just wasn’t there. But that’s not exclusive to the galaxy s that goes for all of them but again not a single touch response problem from the iPhone. So in closing sure the iPhone might be lacking all the extra cool ports and open source of droid but easily it’s obvious someone at apple spent a lot more time on touch UI mapping than googles droid dept. did and apple was wise enough to use unix as core in OS X and iOS look up unix it’s older and more stable than Linux has ever been.
I’m know by many of friends and family as the geek. I’m the guy all my friends hand their devices to me without question I’ve played with hundreds of devices and all these different touch screens. Yes Android has some really cool features and some of those phones have features that dwarf options on the iPhone iOS platform . But… Speaking of touch screens every single touch based phone has horrible touch calibration except for the iPhone. 2ndly android’s UI is a clunky iOS rip off in fact they all rip off the iOS UI some better than others. Android it’s Linux… 1 comment ” welcome to the world of non standards” the brutal clunky road of Linux – iPhone = UNIX (Darwin) ” stable “
So you may ask what do you mean android has the same fractured path as everything linux based? Well.. For instance.. One app might work for one droid and not the next because this app wants this kinda text input either via touch or button or both different carriers with proprietary apps in the market
In fact I personally do hear people bitch about droid phones all the time whats their reason the wanted an iPhone but this was cheaper soo… Yeah a sanyo stereo might be cheaper and have a bunch of cool features but that Sony over there will last longer and more stable and responsive in the longrun. Apple actually adhears to a specific HUI ( human user interface ) in iOS and in Mac OS. android … Well it changes from phone to phone but in general it has a few unessary steps to reach any app and I have to say the android market app was a word far more epic than lame & generic it sucks on the subject of apps just today a friend handed me a galaxy s and me being a musican downloaded a synth app on their phone I played with it and its god awful screen calibration then without warning the screen went black and rebooted wow day 1 out of the box sure that happens to any phone but day 1 really? Nore could I play the piano with a shit. The multitouch response just wasn’t there. But that’s not exclusive to the galaxy s that goes for all of them but again not a single touch response problem from the iPhone. So in closing sure the iPhone might be lacking all the extra cool ports and open source of droid but easily it’s obvious someone at apple spent a lot more time on touch UI mapping than googles droid dept. did and apple was wise enough to use unix as core in OS X and iOS look up unix it’s older and more stable than Linux has ever been.