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“‘Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks the OS,’ Apple says in a bulletin on its support forum,” McDougall reports. “‘It is also important to note that unauthorized modification of the iOS is a violation of the Phone end-user license agreement and because of this, Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software,’ the note states.”
McDougall reports, “The note was published last month, prior to the Library of Congress’ ruling that jailbreaking is not a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and is therefore legal. But the fact that the warning remains on Apple’s support site indicates the company does not believe the ruling supercedes the terms of the iPhone EULA.”
Read more in the full article here.
GOOD!!!
I like my walled garden. This just work, and it’s not like I don’t have a small variety of applications to chose from.
I guess you rolls the dice takes yer chances.
Die you jailbraking scums!!!
I think the courts will get busy real soon on this.
Just another brick in the wall….
How does “we may deny service” mean “brick?”
It just means they’re not obligated to support the device with or without warranty
I jailbreak for one reason only, and that’s so I can use my phone as a WiFi hotspot. I pay for the phone, I pay for the data, I really don’t see what the problem is.
If this was considered “acceptable” fictionality and was available without jailbreaking, I wouldn’t, but who knows if that’s ever going to happen.
Personally I jailbreak my iPhone. Mainly for one reason well 2. One so I can use mywi to use with my iPad rather then pay AT&T more money a month for the 3 or 4 times a month I use my iPad away from a wifi source.
The other reason so I can have themed icons and sounds. I use to use it for wallpaper to till ios 4.
I see why apple does it. But I don’t get terminating service. Just say hey we will not fix your phone if you jailbreak it.
Terminating service is just a little harsh.
“Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software,’ the note states.”
Translation for the morons among us: YOU BREAK IT, THEY WON’T FIX IT.
Service. Get it? Invalid warranty.
HTF does one derive from this , OMG, they’re gonna BRICK YOUR PHONE?!
Idiots.
Good by Apple. now, let’s ban those bastard hackers from iTunes and App Store too!
@Reading Comprehension Much?!
sensationalist journalism much? i don’t get how they get “brick” out of that either. it’s just saying the same thing apple has always said about jailbreaking. as an ex-apple employee, this is pretty much exactly the wording we always used to say “screw your warranty” to people with jailbroken devices.
crappy no-news story.
I want mario on my phone!
Again folks it’s your phone to do whatever you want with it, however don’t come crying to Apple when your shit gets jacked up.
Now off to jailbreak at my own risk I go
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Too bad Apple didn’t give us iPhone 3G owners a warning about bricking our phone before we upgraded to iOS 4.01.
I jailbreak for SBSettings and other tweaks and customizations…plus it’s just fun and interesting.
I’m not guilty of theft of service or piracy. I don’t expect Apple to warranty my iPhone based on my jailbreaking.
I really hope Apple doesn’t brick, and can’t imagine they ever would do so intentionally, but if they did, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for me, I’d just buy another iPhone and keep it stock.
WE WILL WE WILL – BRICK YOU
“…the fact that the warning remains on Apple’s support site indicates the company does not believe the ruling supercedes the terms of the iPhone EULA.”
Well a-DUH!!!
Thank goodness for licensing and contract law.
As we all knew from the beginning, making jailbreaking ‘legal’ was meaningless and pointless.
What exactly was the point supposed to be in the first place? To stop the jails from being filled up with iPhone jailbreakers? To stop all the frivolous lawsuits by Apple against its users? To force all cell phones to become wide open hell holes of crapware and malware?
F A I L
First Apple requires us to use inferior ATT “service” and then adds insult to injury by threatening to turn off our phone if we attempt to make it work with a mobile phone company that provides a reliable signal.
And, on top of that, Apple’s newest phone has some serious problems with the antenna – bad design that makes it difficult to use.
And, don’t say I don’t have an iPhone – I have two of them. And don’t say I’m a troll of some kind. I’m not. I’m a long time Apple customer growing less faithful every day to the Steve Jobs world class arrogance
“Not only does this elevate to the root, giving you complete control of the iPhone, but it breaks out of the sandbox,” said Miller in an interview Monday, referring to the isolation technology designed to block rogue code from escaping the mobile Safari browser.
“There’s no shell on the iPhone, so [comex] had to do all that himself to get control,” Miller continued. “He elevated to root, turned off all code signing, broke out of the sandbox…all in the payload of the exploit.
“And it works every time. Not just a few times out of a hundred. But every time.”
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9180099/iPhone_jailbreak_exploit_sweet_and_scary_says_researcher
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Hea Derek,
Just heard old jeremiah grossman on a podcast today talk about the coming malware and exploit hits on OS X with increased market share. He said just about the same as I said, Its coming and it will hit successfully into the OS X community.
Yes, when the true pros want to hit they will. They haven’t yet. You have only seen light weight kid stuff so far. You fanboys are clueless that you vulnerable with OS X.
http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/
I jailbroke my phone and I will take my chances but Apple shouldn’t purposely harm the users phone. They can fix the hole that was exploited, thats the way the game is played but anything else is too much. A potential lawsuit after last weeks ruling would surely be brought. Apple is now top dog and everyone knows that that means target. So, they need to tread lightly. Anyway, it isn’t harming them, hell they have benefited from it. It is AT&T who it harms when the jailbreak allows unlocking so other carriers can be used as well as other features can be enabled. BTW Facetime works well over 3G, but all you with your heads us Steve’s ass wouldn’t know that.
Apple has a huge contract with AT&T. Why wouldn’t they brick a phone that somebody has broken the user agreement? Completly agree with Apple on this one.
I sense a disturbance in the force.
This is a bad idea on Apple’s part. I can see it opening them up to a class action suit.
Why woukd you want jail brake the iPhone?
Only people with no life and no care for quality jail brake the iPhone
I wish they could brick them so we wouldn’t have to read their rants here. You folks break all your contracts? That is okay with you? What if manufacturers decided to not honor their warranties and contracts and told you it is your device now, you figure out how why it broke. Seem fair to me.
@TheConfuzed1:
“I sense a disturbance in the force.
This is a bad idea on Apple’s part. I can see it opening them up to a class action suit.”
Another “potential” lawsuit… Get in line.
@MDN: At least read enough of the article to see that “brick” is not at all what this is about.
Sheesh guys. Apple may deny service/support, not brick anything.
I had no choice but to jailbreak my iPod. Hackers stole $65 from my iTunes account and Apple did nothing to help me restore my account balance. No way I’m putting more credits on that account. Maybe when they implement basic security measures like sending an email to verify account changes or at least alerting me when somebody from China changes my login, password, email, and security question. Then I might consider it.
NOT!!!
“I jailbreak for one reason only, and that’s so I can use my phone as a WiFi hotspot. I pay for the phone, I pay for the data, I really don’t see what the problem is.”
Really? You don’t see any problem with using a connection for which the system has allocated a certain amount of bandwidth to pass several times that amount of traffic, or that a million people might do that very same thing at any given time?
Well, here’s a little message for Apple. You brick my phone, and watch how fast I pay that early termination fee and buy a Droid.
You make good products; don’t screw it up by being heavy handed control freaks.
” think the courts will get busy real soon on this.” —you cant win MDN:
This is bullshit. It’s not against the law to modify the engine of your new car either, but doing so will void the warranty. Simple as that.
Die frivolous-lawsuit-crazy scum!
No idont see a problem with using my iPhone as a wifi hotspot. AT&T is the only carrier who does not allow this. I know many carriers don’t block using your iPhone as a wifi hotspot. And using the iPhone as a wifi hotspot for my iPad is adding no more bandwidth then using my iPad on the network if I had a 3G iPad.
Why is this surprising; you can compute any way you want with Apple, so long as it’s exactly how Steve Jobs says you can compute.
Think Different and all that bullshit.
This site is driving me nuts anymore, so, I’ve decided to stop visiting. Not only are the MacDailyNews folks one-sided, but also, it seems most of the readers are the same.
First off, I’m a HUGE Apple fan. I spent, on average, $5,000, a year on Apple products, sometimes more. I LOVE my Macs, iPads, iPhones, iPods, and numerous accessories.
With that said, I also feel when I purchase this hardware, it is mine to use as I see fit. One size does not fit all. If someone does not want to jailbreak their device, that’s cool. If someone wants to jailbreak their device, that’s cool too. It is called FREEDOM people!
Basically, get a life. Worry about your own business and stay out of everyone else’s. If someone wants to jailbreak, who cares. They’re jailbreaking THEIR device, NOT YOURS!
Two words
Shut up.
It is now legal in US.
We live outside the US. I now have a jailbroken v1 phone from a relative who has upgraded to a new one (which he won’t jailbreak because the iPhone has since become available unlocked in our country). The only reason the original was jailbroken was because he works in a number of different countries for extended periods of time and just wants to switch local pay-as-you-go SIMs in and out.
I want to get this old phone un-jailbroken and restored. I am not worried about Apple “bricking” it. I am worried about the unlocked vs locked issue (which I understand amounts to the phone being bricked). I can’t find a clear answer: will it revert to a locked to ATT status that it might have had from the factory? Is this an issue? Is there a way out of this. The phone is 3 yrs old.
He got it in the US at full price when the iPhone launched and it was unavailable elsewhere. I believe it was unactivated (I think Apple Stores were allowing some activation to be done online at home due to busyness). Would it have been “locked” to ATT even though unactivated? It was subsequently jailbroken in Europe.
I would be very happy to have this as a normal, un-jailbroken iPhone to use properly alongside my iPod and iPad; but obviously I don’t want to risk a problem if this locking thing is an issue and it’s just going to revert to being locked to ATT.
Any advice would be welcome. Thanks.
@Bryan
You may ‘own’ the hardware, but you do not ‘own’ the software that runs on it. You are granted a license to use that software, but in effect, the developer ‘owns’ it.
Apple can scare you but they can’t disable your iphone if you jailbreak it. If they do then they’ll have some lawsuits to deal with and some extremely bad press.
They aren’t stupid. They’re bluffing. All they can do is deny warranty work but since all you have to do is restore it then that’s not a problem.
@ unsure–
Each version of the firmware, and each jailbreak/ unlock method has different results as to whether or not your unlock will survive a restore.
Most likely, if you undo the jailbreak, you will undo your unlock to, and your phone, without the unlock, will only work with ATT.
Fortunately, it’s an easy process to jailbreak and unlock it again if you want to.
I can’t believe that many of you are still supporting Apple after the company is playing you for fools.
I guess some people will always remain fools.
It is legal. Apple has no standing on the matter. Clearly the Library of Congress considered all aspects of this prior to making the ruling. Apple has no legal argument that their walled garden should exist.
Say what you want about those who choose to jail break their phones, I’m sure they would tell you exactly where to go as well. Unless Apple can prove that the actual process or a specific app caused damaged to the phone they will have yet another class action lawsuit against them.
Before anyone tries to trash me on this, I have owned about 9 iPods (HDD, Nano, Touches), picked up the iP4 and sold my Android phone and I just replaced my iMac with a new MBP and 24″ cinema. So yeah I own enough Apple to qualify to make my argument.
I purchased the phone, and no where did I see any included documentation when I booted up my phone and no where did I get told by AT&T I couldn’t do it so brick me, I will just file a complaint with the FTC, FCC, Library of Congress, Chuck Schumer, etc.
They [Apple] should take responsibility when a provider like Fido (Roger’s sister company) in Canada sells their clients–like me–a LOCKED phone which is ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE LOCKED IF PURCHASED AT A SUBSIDIZED PRICE when they–I–paid FULL UNSUBSIDIZED PRICE (C$799 +taxes) in order to have freedom to use it abroad without paying–$188,000.00/GB–roaming charges, and then charging that client who PAID FOR AN UNLOCKED PHONE $4000 in roaming charges EVEN THOUGH THEY’RE AT FAULT!!! THAT’s how much Apple “cares” about their customers. And that’s how fair the ALLEGED law is! FIDO are GUILTY of FRAUD and Apple, in my mind, are willing accomplices.
I ONLY JAILBREAK TO UNLOCK MY PHONE WHICH IS NOT UNLOCKED EVEN THOUGH I PAID FULL UNSUBSIDIZED PRICE FOR IT!!!!!!!!
“It is legal. Apple has no standing on the matter. Clearly the Library of Congress considered all aspects of this prior to making the ruling. Apple has no legal argument that their walled garden should exist.”
It IS legal for you to unlock the phone. It is also legal for Apple to refuse to service a phone that has been unlocked, as you can theoretically install software that will harm the phone. They have no responsibility to service or replace a phone you have modified in an unsupported way. Just as was pointed out before – it is legal for you to modify the engine in your car, but it is also legal for the manufacturer to no longer honor the warranty if you do.
Anyone notice the astroturf troll theme of boasting of how many Apple products they own. It beggars credibiltiy.
I use to jailbreak in the past with OS 3.X but iOS 4 has givin all the features i use to jailbreak for… so i have a virgin iphone 4 that will remind untouched
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If anything apple should embrace the jail breaking community that made apple step up their game long before f*cking android came out.
Yes I believe they should go after those who steal apps from the app store and who do harm to others property. No argument there.
But for those us who jailbreak to open the TRUE potential of the iPhone. Jeez you people who have never jail broken your iPhone should try it at least once add SBsettings and see how convenient it is. Add quick reply and you too would be screaming at apple to add that functionality. There is a whole lot more you can don than what apple provides. Sh!t i’ve been multitasking for two years now thanks to jail breaking. My iPad is way sweeter than what came out of the box.
What I am saying is don’t trash the jailbreak community, because with out them you wouldn’t have “multitasking”, copy and paste, Better bluetooth functions, video recording and so much more because yes whether apple admits or not the jail breakers pushed apple to be better.
So apple piss off with your scare tactics and let us have push your product because we your customers a your best PR, word of mouthnand we can show people what your shit can really do if you let us.
How the heck does the Library of Congress have any authority to make a ruling concerning DMCA? It would be up to Congress I’d assume. Am I wrong?
Just thought I’d share my story…last night I got curious and did the whole jailbreakme.com thing on my ip4. It worked, and I was amused for about 25 minutes then realized how corny and ugly everything was and decided I was perfectly satisfied with my phone the way it was…so I went to restore and my beautiful 30 day old ip4 was bricked as bricked could be. I couldn’t even recover through iTunes as the phone would actually take itself out of recovery mode. I had the reboot screen of death. So today I bought myself a 3GS with an added line to my plan. I can only wait now til the iPhone 4s are back in stock. And I wasn’t even going to attempt to bring the phone to the apple store..out of shame mostly. The perfect world apple has us safetly nestled in will no longer be taken forgranted by me that’s for sure. Learned my lesson, jailbreakings dumb and not worth it.
JailBreaking prodvides a sense of danger and intrigue that is common with windoze.
What’s more, it satisfies the need to “tinker” that the regular iPhone experience lacks (on purpose).
I think apple is way ahead of them and uses the dev community as a laboratory. By playing along as the bad guy, it entices an otherwise recalcitrant group to embrace the platform anyway.
I also think that apple has found a way for deep seated Mac haters to come into the fold.
By creating a new computing paradigm that is called “iOS” they have neutralized the basic distaste that many, many windoze sufferers have for the iDea of finally capitulating after decades of fighting.
They will all succumb to the siren call of California’s home grown vision for the future!
Wonder how fast Gizmodo will pick up this false story. Come on guys; are you a tech blog or the Globe?
wondering why all those of you who want to hack and tinker and customize don’t just get an Android phone and knock yourself out. Why bother with the iPhone in the first place? I’ll never quite understand that logic.
But, I guess if you buy it at full retail and not subsidized by ATT, then you can do whatever you want. But, if ATT pays $400 of your iPhone in exchange for a 2 yr. contract, seems to me they sort of co-own the phone with you, at least until your contract is completed… or that’s the way it works with every cell phone I’ve bought before. Feel free to enlighten me…
The moron factor on this site is incredible.
It may be legal to jb your iPhone, but it’s also legal for Apple to deny your warranty claim too.
And, I cannot wait to see who’s the first bitch to sue Apple when their jailbroken iPhone gets hacked and someone steals their sh*t.
Mark my words, it will happen. And it will likely be one of e brain surgeons posting here.
As for you other bozos griping about how stupid we all are for buying Apple and letting Steve “run our lives”, well, go enjoy your Windows and Droids. Both 2nd-tier products compared to anything in my Apple collection.
You guys that put jailbreakers down are pretty much lemmings. Line up and jump off the cliff please.
What’s stupid about a lot of the comments is that what someone else does with their phone is simply no one else’s business.
If I have a coworker or neighbor who buys the same car as me and puts an F1 engine in it, why should I care? Answer: I wouldn’t, because it would have no effect on MY car or warranty.
How I read it, if you take a jailbroken iPhone into an apple or AT&T store for service… It won’t happen.
Besides, if a jailbroken iphone has a problem… You reset it with iTunes and the jailbreak is gone.
Now if they start banning us from iTunes…. That’s where the library of congress ruling is going to start lawsuits.
And again, anyone pirating apps… Should be banned. Jailbreaking the iPhone to have settings that apple turns off, no.
Funny how people complain about verizon shutting down their phones abilities, but if apple does it…. It’s fine.
And also, it’s MY phone not yours. Why the hell do you care if I jailbreak it? Jealous?
Yes my iPhone 4 is now jailbroken!
Lockinfo is back, and sbsettings. I’ll probably fire up cydia once in a blue moon to check for updates, that’s it. Now the iPhone 4 is PERFECT.
If apple even had a rudimentary lockscreen info thing going… I wouldn’t jailbreak. But having a quicklook calendar and weather etc. Right there in the lockscreen is just perfect.
I like AT&T so no need to unlock.
I’m probably wrong but doesn’t the article only say that Apple may terminate service, meaning Apple’s service/warranty work? It doesn’t say anything about cellular or data service.
I am astounded at the number of commentors in this thread who actually believe MDN’s headline!
It’s a sad commentary on the decline in the Apple gene pool by the unwashed masses.
Some goofball buys an iPhone and suddenly they’re an authority on Apple’ policies.
Give me a troll anyday, they have more credibilty than many of those who site their Apple inventory, as though that makes them immune from stupidity!
Stomp your feet! Hold your breath till you’re blue! Threaten to leave the platform! Sue ’em till they rot!
Who cares! You’re just one more whiny voice in the chorus of crybabies!
Think! Before you hit submit. Read it again and again before you ask
yourself, do I sound desperate, whiny, or misinformed?
If you aren’t a member of MDN, then chances are you will hit the trifecta, just by making an appearence.
Anonymous posters, like Christians have absolution going for them. No matter how horrible your behavior, you get a do-over on Saturday.
At least with Christians they’re expected to pay with pennance, while the MDN’s catch of the day is left to rot and stink up the place.
MDN is squandering its goodwill among those of us who attempt to bring something meaningful to the discussion.
Where are all the familiar names of members who brought their A-game to the forum?
They’ve been displaced by a bunch of whiny illiterates, whose constant barrage of complaints does nothing more than to disprupt the flow of information!
The only thing worse is buying season tickets, whose seats are right next to the worst kind of fan; the one who hates his own team!
Too bad MDN can’t be a lttle more discreet in who they let in here.
If it were me, I would put a time limit on how long non-members could type, or better still instead of retyping captchas, how about making them provide antonyms for those words in the box?
It’s time to clean up the MDN gene pool!
@Rob, the only thing begging is you. Apple go for it deny a repair service where the owner has to pay. They will find themselves paying out a lot more.
As I noted the auto mfg has to prove the after market accessory damaged the vehicle. They cannot state the warranty is void for simply adding some mod. If they can then they have a legit position on voiding the warranty.
Apple’s position is simple they want all the coin they can get while limiting functionality to what they see as fair and reasonable. IF jobs had some balls he would put AT&T in the place and get more done.
<thinking outloud>
I know I sound arrogant and perhaps just as worse as the very people I’m attacking.
Who am I to complain, right? Arrogant prick!
I’m beginning to wonder that myself. I should just take my own advice and change the channel. But I won’t leave because aside from MDN’s predictability, and the endless parade of wannabes, there are some very clever people in this forum who I enjoy reading.
But, if you aren’t a member of MDN, and your first statement isn’t compelling, you haven’t got a chance.
Time spent here is time I could be devoting to my craft, or a nap, either of which sound good right now.
I’m still standing on the wall to brick or not.
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Q: Wouldn’t it be prudent to wait until one sees whether the jail-broken phones still work after the next iOS update?
Jailbreaking is so silly. Why would someone alter an iPhone so that it runs, and looks (the OS) like an Android or Windoze mobile phone?
I thought it meant Apple would encapsulate offenders iPhones with a period Motorola brick phone as a form of humiliation-based punishment.
First I for one do have a mdn account… The new update to the iPhone app has login problems and badges that never go away (read the newest reviews)
Steve…. My iPhone in no way looks like a windows or android phone. It’s always been jailbroken so rudimentary things like copy and paste could be used, not wait 2 years for apple to grace us with it. Everything except the mail changes, have been used in the jailbreak community since the beginning. I’ve had multitasking, folders, wallpaper etc.
I love how everyone here that bashes ANY changes to the iPhone.
Yet how many of you have ANY software on your macs that change ANY way OSX works… Or unlocks any hidden commands/toggles etc.
Congrats, you have a jailbroken Mac. But keep attacking those that want to do the exact same things to our iPhone.
Apple would be wise to just explain to AT&T and apple store employees, if an iPhone is jailbroken, tell the customer to bring the iPhone back after it’s not jailbroken and there is still a problem. They should not have to deal with a jailbroken iPhone… But there is nothing that a jailbreak does that harms the hardware. Every “bricked” iPhone that has come from a bad jailbreak, is almost always the fault of the user.
My uncle buys those bricked/failed jailbroken iPhones. He unbricks most of them and resales them… It’s almost always the same, some idiot with too much money decides to jailbreak and has no clue what they are doing and messes up. If they were to READ instructions, they could have avoided the brick. Or figured out that you can unbrick them 99% of the time.
Jailbreaking is not for everyone.
Fatmac.
When 4.1 hits, anyone that is jailbroken, will wait to update.
If a jailbreak is updated to work on 4.1 then most of us will restore our iPhone to 4.0.1. Unjailbreaking the iPhone and setting it back to stock.
Then we will download the update to ios4.1 and then re-jailbreak.
If there is any code in 4.1 that will not allow a jailbrocken iphone to update, smart jailbreakers won’t ever see it.
Always, always, unjailbreak your iPhone back to stock before you upgrade the ios.
It lessens any issues with an update.
I’m just suprised that it was released (jailbreak) with 4.1 in beta already… I was sure it would have been after 4.1
I normally wait a few weeks after a ios update is released before I update my iPhone anyway. I just did 4.0.1 before I jailbroke last night.
So people like me will see the problems, If any, with ios4.1 long before we click update.
My iphone rarely is plugged into my MacBook pro… I never add music and I just update the apps via wifi. (I have had the same 4k or so songs for years) so I never have to worry about updates to the ios really.
This will blow over, nothing will happen. Apple really can’t brick the phone without a huge lawsuit. An apple would lose that one…
Can you imagine apple remotely killing any Mac with something like handbrake installed… Cause you know it’s ONLY used for piracy.. So they are all evil, shut em down and brick all those pirates!!!!!1!
Apple has absolute ZERO authority to brick anyones phone. That would be a crime, no question.
I own the fuckin device,, apple has no right to do anything to it after I buy it. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be put on a deserted island forever. That kind of thinking is dangerous and detrimental to society.
This kind of headline makes me want to smash my iPad into pieces with a sledgehammer and mail the remains to that arrogant prick Steve Jobs.
Agreed ivid.
I jailbreak to get the full iOS 4 experience on my 2G iPod touch. I use Winterboard, SBSettings, and Infinidock. That’s pretty much it.
@Crazy4apple:
Jailbreaking my iphones has made them so much better… it’s like night and day with SBSettings, getting 3G access with SlingBox and now Facetime on 3G, just to name a couple quick things. I also love getting wifi use from my data plan, etc. There are so many reasons to jailbreak and so many things get better when you jailbreak and unlock.
When flash comes to the iphone it will probably be via a jailbreak app first.
As a former AT&T employee, I know that being tied to AT&T is not good for your company or customers. I’ve got nothing personal against the company, they just offer sub-par service at higher prices.
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