MacDailyNews Take: We haven’t had a drop to drink today, yet, nor did we the first time we said it on iPad unveiling day (in-between we make no claims), so we have no problem typing the following yet again, in bold: “This first iPad is going to be a smash hit.”
Johnson continues, “Nerds of 2040 will sigh and rattle off any number of previous computers if someone makes that [“iPad was the first real computer”] claim. But even those nerds will have to concede that the iPad marked the beginning of appliance computing, when physical devices and interfaces receded into the background and touch gave us an entirely new intimacy with our information.”
“Automobiles had been around for 30 years before Henry Ford put together the first Model T,” Johnson writes. “Those previous attempts at a mass-market car were critical to Ford’s success, but it’s Ford we remember.”
Johnson writes, “The iPad isn’t the most capable machine out there. It’s not a multitasker.”
MacDailyNews Take: Whoops. iPad, like every single iPhone and iPod touch that’s ever shipped, is a multitasker. It simply doesn’t yet allow for multitasking by third-party apps. Listen to your iPod while surfing the web and you’re multitasking. With iPhone 4.0, Apple will usher in multitasking for third-party apps, along with much more. It will be available as a software update to iPhone and iPod touch users this summer and a version of iPhone OS 4 will be coming to iPad this fall.
Johnson continues, “But the iPad’s limitations are also its strength. Because they’re uniform across the platform, developers can work with and around them. The same kind of uniformity has allowed video game consoles to stay competitive with—and sometimes eclipse—more-powerful gaming hardware… The iPad won’t be all things to all people. Those of us who need raw power will still have our Macs and our PCs and our mainframes for years to come. But I think we’ll find that dainty two-stroke computers like the iPad are surprisingly versatile.”
Read more in the full article – recommended – here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “GetMeOnTop” for the heads up.]
LOL@ MDN trying to defend iPhone / iPad multitasking… epic fail.
The iPad avalanche is unstopable- this is where the personal computer becomes personally indispensable
@dolita
Explain yourself troll.
I’ll give HIM the “dainty two stroke”. Don’t be touchin’ MY iPad that way!
This is exactly how I’ve been explaining iPad to my non-believing friends since the damn thing was announced: It’s an appliance computer. Plain and simple. All some people can manage to do is compare it to existing stuff, when it’s a completely new class of device. Now that I have one and they see all the things it can do (even some stuff that a laptop CAN’T do) they’re all excited about it.
The fact that Apple can’t make enough of them for sale shows that the public doesn’t give a rats hind end about what the naysayers think or say, about the iPad.
It’s a killer device brought to you by Apple.
If Apple doesn’t make it, who will???
MDN’s defense is as valid as most of the multitasking complaints. The complainers usually pick something that the iPhone already does (play music and use browser), or something that makes no sense (having an interactive game running in background?).
I’ve been intimate with touch for ages!
“even some stuff that a laptop CAN’T do”
I understand what my Macbook will do that my iPad can’t do. Please explain what my iPad can do that my Macbook CAN’T???
And please, Being “elegant, so thin and light”, and just delicious doesn’t count. Nor does the “App Store”.. My Macbook runs real “PROGRAMS” that allow me to be productive and earn a good living on – not little “APPlets!
@ IDArgyll
“If Apple doesn’t make it, who will???”
Well, since the PC industry has had nearly 10 years to dick around since Bill Gates told them all to build tablets, and none of them got it right, and now, miraculously, companies like HP are showing off prototypes that look hauntingly familiar (if laughably obese) to us iPad owners….
….I’m gonna have to go with “no one”.
@ Uh-huh
I was thinking about that when I was walking around a bar, showing off my photography to friends and strangers, and they all crowded around me to see as I flipped through images, easily zooming in with a pinch.
Yes, dorky, being elegant light and thin DOES count. It means the iPad can go where your laptop can’t. If you’d like, maybe we could have a Hummer vs. Motorcycle race through the streets of Paris to illustrate my point.
The only reason you haven’t been able to get a grip on this is your own lack of imagination.
A colleague in work has had her iPad for a few weeks now, and I have to say she is getting fed up of me “borrowing” it, because I never want to give it her back. Last time I used it I put a Note on there, asking her to give this iPad to me. I thought subliminal messages might work on her, but she just shouted at me and banned me from using it for 1 day. It was the longest day of my life.
Roll on May 28th, for then my pre-ordered 64GB Wi-Fi iPad will be in my hands, and my colleague can finally get some rest.
P.S. First App I’m going to buy is Pinball HD. Unreal.
A computer – NOT! Apple’s most over-hyped ‘magical’ ‘revolutionary’ gadget ever – YES!
The thing is cool but the marketing and the incalculable PR is a wonder to behold – now, that is what is revolutionary.
I’ve got one and it’s use and function is everything everyone says it is – but that is ALL it is and, it’s not any kind of magic.
i just pre ordered one
the reviews on yt made me do it
the thing looks amazing
@Uh-Huh: You’ve seen the Star Walk app, haven’t you? In fact, any app that utilizes the compass or location services has a leg up over the laptop. My iPad feels much more personal than any desktop or laptop I’ve ever owned, despite its “limited” capabilities.
Honestly, the main reason I agree with this article is that the last 20 years have shown us that some people will just never understand a full-featured desktop OS. The iPad is perfect for those people.
dolita,
MDN’s multitasking Take is not a defense, it’s a statement of fact.
No, please leave that little man’s comment right where it is. If that’s the extent of this guy’s wit, then this beautiful art should remain for posterity.
Don’t be mad because I’m both prettier than you AND a far better photographer. You can do something about at least one of those things.
Oops, too late, I see.
I love my iPad, however I think the article has serious flaws.
iPad is not a computer replacement, it makes you current computer much better. Because it is controlled an backed up by your computer you feel safer taking it to places that you would never take your laptop. It has consistencies through out your computer ecosystem, photos, contacts, etc. are all the same.
The accelerometer is just as important at the touch screen. It is one of the reasons MS failed. The UI would suck without it.
The iPad is like when the internet first came out. Those who had computers could put in a modem and make their computer much more useful. Computers after that were designed to work with the internet. Your computer can do more with an iPad than you thought possible, computers in the future will be built for portable companion devices. This is the next step in computers, but not the next “real computer”.
@ dolita… correction… dolt…
Quit embarrassing yourself.
Seems everyone on planet Earth (outside yourself, that is), understands that iPhone/iPod/iPad is perfectly capable of, and indeed does, multitask.
The fear you and your ilk share towards iPhone OS4 is palpable, and the stench it leaves in your nostrils is driving you insane.
I’m laughing my a@@ off at every Win-Droid troll, because you’re about to see that a well designed device can run out an 8 hour day, while your sad little clones go screaming for a charger after a handful of hours while “multitasking”.
Wow, this article sure stirred up the Trolls this morning.
Anyone who thinks today’s desktop form factor will still be the dominant computer in 30+ plus years needs to wake up.
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
Stop hating on Apple and just admit they’ve done an amazing job with the iPad. Is the technology that goes into it out of this world amazing? No, not really. Quite a few other companies COULD have made the iPad, but they didn’t. Apple took the risk of breaking out of the desktop/laptop/netbook form factors and brought us something fresh and wonderful. Yes, I said “wonderful”. That probably got the Trolls all ticked off, but seriously, go and use an iPad.
It’s refreshing and … wonderful.
@Un-Huh
You can instantly turn the iPad on and start being productive, even with instant on my MBP doesn’t come close.
You can get it damaged, lost, or stolen with out having to panic. You have not lost your data, with the exception of some very recent work. Yes you are out $600.00 to $800.00, but that is nothing compared the the loss of a laptop.
@Jimithy
StarWalk is great, every one I have shown it to is amazed. Even in the middle of the day.
@Man o Man
“it’s not any kind of magic”
Magic is in the eye of the beholder, no?
@Uh-Huh
“Please explain what my iPad can do that my Macbook CAN’T”
• It’ll get grandma & grandpa online.
• Install a dock for it in your car and have the coolest head unit around (with GPS, Pandora, movies, tunes, pix, etc.) and pop it out when you get out of the car.
Release yourself from the shackles of 30 years of indoctrination that tell you you must have a keyboard, USB, CD drive, card reader, floppy disk, ad infinitum. See / think differently or the world will leave you behind.
Great book to read:
“The Invisible Computer: Why Good Products Can Fail, the Personal Computer Is So Complex, and Information Appliances Are the Solution” (Donald A. Norman), 1998.
http://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Computer-Products-Information-Appliances/dp/0262640414
Long live the horse a buggy!
If man were meant to fly, he’d have wings!
I don’t know how you “horse a buggy” but,
Long live the horse and buggy!
@Jimithy
I do understand the full featured Desktop OS and that is precisely why I also have an iPad. I run many heavy duty apps on my desktop computer (Win & MacOS) with multiple screens with apps like database management, application development in multiple languages, etc. My iPad serves a totally different purpose when I am on the go. Better than a laptop because I want immediate information access wherever I am. I do my job on my desktop/laptop. The rest I do on my iPad. The iPad isn’t a replacement for the ‘work’ computers. It is a replacement for the ‘traveling/leisure’ computer.
@C1
“The only reason you haven’t been able to get a grip on this is your own lack of imagination.”
I see the snark in you is rather high today.
@Uh-huh
Although I do not have an iPad, I believe the point is not that it offers something a desktop or notebook cannot, but that it does them different and more efficiently. Yes, you can read e-books on a notebook, iPad is better. Yes you can review photos, iPad is better (well, according to the supremely biased C1). Yes, you can lug your notebook around, the iPad is easier. Etc.
In real-life usage, all the small things that it does better or more efficiently add up, every hour, every day, every week/month/year. I am seriously looking at the iPad (damn that triple-dog dare) for the future of everyday use, including when handwriting analysis gets up to speed–it will become my legal pad and so much more.
I still think you knew this. You were just being a contrarian for the sake of it. You need to feel it in your soul though
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />
I prefer Starmap to Starwalk. But then, I don’t have a fancy iPad or even a 3GS, so no compass for me…
@ Uh-huh
I have to echo the others. Thin and elegant and delicious do count. The iPad is a handling device, not limited to a lap or desk. I’ve had mine for seven days. I’ve loaded no apps or games or music, . . . but I have loaded over five-thousand pix, and some video from a Flip Ultra. Holding this device and showing one’s creations is a very special feeling.
The UI is special, as well. When you scroll (with inertia) you do it by actually touching the items. When you touch an insertion window that instantly pulls up the keyboard, it is nearly imperceptibly seductive that you don’t need to move your hands down to a different space to use it, and then return to the face of the device for further input. Even the touch-keyboard conventions that shortcut typing are a distinct advantage.
The combination of SOC and SSD makes the device extremely responsive. A laptop seems clunky after using this for just a couple of days.
And battery life! I used mine moderately for five days. When I finally recharged it still showed 50% life available.
I’ve barely scratched the surface of the capabilities already present on the iPad, and you have to know that Apple will improve even this device with updates in software.
No, an iPad cannot truly replace a laptop. In fact, mine has spurred me on to actually purchasing my first laptop. But you mustn’t scoff an iPad. That’s a bit like scoffing a Cadillac.
I hope you also see that I didn’t need to call you names or insult to make solid points. . . . Your question was valid.
The assertion that the iPad is the first real computer is just wrong. End of discussion. Nothing to see here. Move along.
About multitasking: a clock/timer that could multitask, as on the iPhone, would be welcome.
I’m an iPad lover and first-day buyer, but here is one annoying thing it can’t do: I want to fall asleep to the iPod application, say listening to music or a podcast.
No can do. The “auto-lock” feature might seem to be the answer but it isn’t user-settable like a sleep clock timer type thing.
Please someone tell me how to set the iPad to go to sleep after 1/2 hour, if you know better. I have Googled up and down for a third party app, seems to be impossible, due to the multitasking limitation.
Other than that small detail, which should be fixable with 4.0, I am love, love, loving the thing.
My favorite app: Netflix streaming.
If you work in a big office, just walk around for a few minutes.
Watch how people use their laptops. It’s hilarious. First off, a laptop isn’t really that portable. It really requires that you be seated to use it effectively. Watch how people leave meeting rooms when you’re at work. They come out with a variety of poses…
From the ‘painter’s palette’, slung over one arm while the other works the track pad…
Then there’s the ‘almost closed’, an attempt to not look like a complete fool yet not put the machine to sleep.
I saw one woman grab the top edge of the screen and pick it up, carrying her laptop hanging down in one hand with a pile of papers in the other.
A laptop might be portable, but it’s not very USABLY portable. It’s just a small desktop machine that you an carry, and it requires that you have a place to ‘set up shop’ with your power adapter and stuff.
So say you’re looking for a house party (let’s pretend, for a moment, Uh-huh, that you have friends and they, inexplicably, invited you over to their new place). They sent you their address in an email. Do you print it out before you leave? Maybe, if you didn’t forget to. Do you look it up on your iPhone? Great idea, and it works pretty well! Do you look it up on your laptop? Most laptops don’t have cell network access, so you need to be close to WiFi or have a 3G/4G card, so that’s no good driving around. Even if you are connected, is it easy to see your laptop from any kind of driving position? But on the iPad, it’s just like looking at a paper map. No folding box to try to pick up, no trackpad to have to use to scroll around… just a flat map in your hand, with a little moving blue dot that tells you where you are. It’s also connected to that email they sent you.
But if you’re a photographer (you might be one some day, Uh-Huh, if you practice and study hard) there is simply no better way to show your images. None. Not one ever. It’s better than a laptop in every conceivable way as a portfolio viewer, and you’ll find that it captures the interest of people wherever you show it off.
I’ve had laptops. No one ever cared about them. Images are images, but the presentation counts when you’re trying to get people interest and hold it.
Imagination. Uh-huh. That’s what it’s about.
@wetfx
I agree about the iPad not being a complete desktop or computer replacement–yet. How long though, until it does? One year? Two? Not much more than that, I think.
@ Contrarian
I have not yet begun to snark.
Oh Lord, if this is your baseline before snark sets in…(runs for cover)
@Vatdoro
“Stop hating on Apple and just admit they’ve done an amazing job with the iPad.”
Criticism is not hate. And I will never admit anything, for I am…male. Seriously, I will agree that Apple has done a great job. Amazing? That praise is too high.
@ Contrarian
Daa . . . Dummph! Daa . . . Dumnphh.
You better believe she hasn’t!
I know a lot of people with laptops. I know very, very few of them (okay, none) that have their laptops with them all the time.
For the last couple of weeks, that’s exactly where the iPad has been. On my person, or very near by, at all times. Laptops simply can’t do this. They’re just a bit too big and heavy and impractical. And if you do take it everywhere with you, you look like a LAN-party enthusiast. You can carry an iPad around with you everywhere you go, and it’s no different from carrying a small book or magazine. You have to make very few allowances for it.
Uh-Huh-
Dude get a effing grip, just flinging (adolescent) personal insults at someone who has bested your argument intellectually makes you look like a barely post-pubescent twit. (though perhaps we have some insight here)
@theloniousMac
Conclusions are fine and good, but not particularly helpful. Why isn’t the iPad the first real computer, in your opinion?
I don’t have to agree with the author to agree that the iPad is a first for many things at finally doing them right and all together. Just like the iPod was not original in its content offering, but it was in the way it delivered the content to the user, and made listening to music easier just plain…better.
I still want a portable 8 track player.
C1:
But nothing beats the older laptops that had the ejectable built in cup holders
@ Rosswell
RE: Netflix streaming….
This app has changed my life like few others have. A confluence of events led to a drastic change in my entertainment habits. The first of which was my Sony surround sound system going out. Some awful power supply problem that killed the thing. So I removed it (and will never buy another Sony product, btw). When I got my iPad, I cancelled digital cable as soon as I realized that Netflix (and ABC and if we’re lucky Hulu..) had thousands of shows and movies I wanted to watch and cable still had 60 channels of nothing. So no more being tied to the living room.
Something miraculous happened… I started watching programs when I wanted to, where I wanted to. That meant here at my desk in the office, in the kitchen, out on the back patio, by the fire pit at night, at the coffee shop, the bar… I have hardly been in my living room since. The TV hasn’t been on once.
That’s the streaming part… but I still get DVDs in the mail, which I immediately rip with RipIt and Handbrake and send right back, keeping the turnover going efficiently.
Now there is still a piece missing… I don’t have Apple TV so I currently have no way to easily get this streaming content to a bigger screen for use with more than one person, so watching movies with friends at parties still relies on old-fashioned plastic discs… but it’s certainly made me POSITIVE that I’d rather buy an Apple TV than a BluRay player. No more boxes full of plastic for me.
Cup holder. . . . Not bad.
Maybe I could market one, . . . with a side-pocket for French fries.
I’ve got that “covered!” (MDN word)
@Rosswell:
The $0.99 Night Stand HD app lets you put your iPod music on a sleep timer. It also allows you to set a different screen lock time while the app is open. If you are using it as an alarm clock (like I do every day) it will still work even if the iPad is locked. It’s one of my favorite apps.
PS – I also agree about Netflix being awesome. It would be nice if they changed the interface though so that it didn’t feel like you were simply browsing the web site. Feels a bit too slow the way it is now. But once you start playing video, it looks gorgeous.
Poor boys, clinging to their laptops like they were lifebelts in dangerous waters.
It looks like keyboards and mice will become less and less essential, even for desktop machines. I can see magazine and print layout being done on “big-ass tables” for one thing. Much more logical to move photos and other elements around by hand. The table would be at an angle, like old drawing-tables used to be, not flat. Keyboards would be for the writers, most of them would use iPads of course, like the photographers. Although many local reporters have to do both jobs now I hear, plus video clips!
@ Jimithy
I also use Nightstand, but beware! No 3rd party multitasking currently means that even if you set an alarm, the app has to be running or the alarm won’t work! I’ve tested this!
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />
That said, you can indeed put the iPad to sleep, just be sure that Nightstand is running when you do!
OK… I have had my “illegal” (not in Oz yet) iPad for a while and whether I walk int an official Apple Retail store, a “value added shop”, a (ready for this) PC supply shop (bought some 1 TB drives there) – if I pull out my iPad, it creates an instant “want to see, touch, have” sensation.
I have used it to give very good one-on-one Keynote presentations that closed the sale – quite easily and the client then said that he was going to buy an iPad for him and each of his staff (he does not see a need for the iPhone (but we all know what will happen here). And the guy is 60 (younger than me but not as geeky).
When the iPad went on pre-order here the first weeks allotment was sold out in 2 days.
Revolutionary? Beyond any of our imaginations!
I had one of the first Macs in Arizona in 1984 and a Lisa before that… and THIS little device is beyond real words.
I use it all of the time. It sits beside my MacPro and dual 30″ Monitors. I find I check my mail with it – because it is easier.
If I want to sketch something – I grab my iPad and pogo sketch (who says you can’t use a stylus) and do some very precise drawing – in a coffee shop – no less.
@ C1 – you are in the magnetosphere of wit today – keep it coming!
Cheers from Oz.
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”smile” style=”border:0;” />
@C1:
While I love my AppleTV, it’s not the end-all solution for getting video to the TV, unless your entire video library is Quicktime-compatible. That really is my only complaint about Quicktime: the lack of video format support. I have a lot if video that’s been ripped into the Divx family of formats, which (while Quicktime on my Mac has been given a plug-in to play) my AppleTV cannot play. I hate to admit that I use my Xbox360 to stream most of my video content from my Mac, and keep the AppleTV for video rentals (still the best device for that) and streaming music at parties.
@C1: Hah, yes I also noticed that about Night Stand. It occurs to me that they could (partially) fix the problem with push notifications. Now, you won’t be able to wake to your own music or anything, but surely they could push a nice, calming alarm buzzer
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />
“But if you’re a photographer (you might be one some day, Uh-Huh, if you practice and study hard) there is simply no better way to show your images. None. Not one ever. It’s better than a laptop in every conceivable way as a portfolio viewer, and you’ll find that it captures the interest of people wherever you show it off.
I’ve had laptops. No one ever cared about them. Images are images, but the presentation counts when you’re trying to get people interest and hold it.”
Great Post…. I just started “fooling around” in 1978 ya know. For my birthday I got a A-1 for my birthday. Soon after I got a complete darkroom setup with an old Durst enlarger. At the time, it worked well, and I generally shot 3 or 4 rolls of Tri-X (ASA 400) everyweek in my spare time. I would develop 1 roll at a time at first in my original (black plastic single roll) daytank. Later, my parents bought me a 3 roll stainless tank with a winder. Really nice…. Saved me a lot of money because I could mixup a batch of Microdol-X and use it on 3 rolls, … really neat??? What kind of Developer do you like Chrissy1????
I wouldn’t always print everything (same reason, get a lot of film processed and then print a bunch at one time. And could print a bunch with 1 mix of Dektol).. I used to do the same with paper Chrissy1 – – – I’d buy 8 1/2 X 11 and cut them into 4’s so I could print 4X6)…
Hey, after I did it for a few years, I started shooting higher speed film (like 800 or 1000 ASA)… I used to like the grainy effect I would get – – especially when used with a high contrast paper (Like Kodak F-4 or F-5)…. I used to shoot a lot of bands this way and loved the results….
Sometimes it’s possible to get really cool effects like shooting high speed film and not having the strobe go off.. I can remember one time when my strobe died and I shot all night at F8 and 1/250 and hoped for the best. The effect was great, the boys illuminated by just the stage lights.
Well there’s no use carrying on this conversation any further because neither I (nor anyone else) will ever approach your great skills as a photographer (especially since you have an iPad now).,… I’ll tell you what though, I’m going to guess that my photography skills will “interest people” just as much as anything you have ever done, and I’ll do it with a 30 year old Canon manual camera and a lot of skill in the darkroom .. My B&W;darkroom..
Call me unimaginative, but I still fail to see how someone with adequate mobile computing (iPhone) and portable home or office computing (laptop) would have any use for an iPad that they would have to carry around with them. Sure it’s light, but it’s still a pretty big piece of equipment to take with you wherever you go, and for what? To show people pictures? Is that all anyone can think of? At home, I like to use a desk to work on, and I don’t want to lean over to type and see the screen and become the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
I don’t deny the impressive sales figures, but I’m still waiting for something you can do on the iPad that makes me think “I’m missing out.” I know a few people with iPads and while they claim to love it, I don’t see them really using for anything they couldn’t do with their laptop and iPhone, and they have to lug around an extra piece of equipment. I suspect many sales are from people like this – they have money, they see a new Apple product, and they have to get it, and they have to love it.
I had a darkroom too. Back in the 80’s (sorry, I’m only 36) I had an Omega 4×5 black&white;enlarger and also processed my own E6. I also used a Roliflex TLR, an old Pressview and a Calumet 4×5, in addition to a long series of 35mm cameras beginning with a Minolta X7a. By the time I started college in 1991 I was using very early versions of Photoshop and the first Nikon/Kodak DCS1 in Seattle. I frankly couldn’t wait for digital to get good enough to stop fooling around with all those chemicals and paper and get some real work done.
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />
“For my birthday I got a A-1 for my birthday.”
Redundant sentence is redundant.
Uh-Huh:
Ever try Ilford paper?
@ Bongo
All you have to do is use one. Try it.
Jimithy :
Were you the smart ass nerd in school (redundant) that always got your hand up in the teachers face for brownie points?
Your tongue must be so brown and your breath stinks
Sorry again Uh-Huh
You seem to have stepped out of bounds, . . . again.
You know there’s always somebody around with “one” bigger than yours.
I started foolin’ around with film in 1954. About the same time you got your first Canon, I was assembling a Sinar 8×10 kit. I hope you know what that is. . . .
In defense of my pal Chrissy, she is a digital person and can surely embarrass anyone else on this board with her Photoshop skills and experience. You must also know that our skills in film are becoming obsolete and archaic. “Digital will set you free!”
Still, I’ve recently been able to blend the two disciplines with 8×10 scans and Kodak’s Professional Lambda. I have a 45×72 in my living room that can be examined under a loop.
@ breeze
Ilford was my favorite. Their film was fantastic too, but I haven’t touched the stuff in more than a decade.
ChrissyOne:
Yeah the grain and contrast was killer.
Ever see the movie Blow Up?
@ AppleJack
“You must also know that our skills in film are becoming obsolete and archaic.”
To some extent… But things like exposing for highlights, the basics of the Zone system, color balance, the basic optical properties of light… If you got a good education in film (like we did) then those skills can serve you very well when you move to Camera Raw. It’s still all just curves and contrast and depth-of-field. It just a different substrate, but most of the old rules still apply. Some things will never leave you… Hell, I still say ASA. >.<
“@Uh-Huh:
Ever try Ilford paper?”
Nope, been using Kodak for 30 years because that’s what they sell at TT Pharmacy – – – I bought off the guys grandfather, and now him. It’s 5 miles from home and the family has always supported the local Photography community.. (not many places like that left)
“@ Chrissy1 “I frankly couldn’t wait for digital to get good enough to stop fooling around with all those chemicals and paper and get some real work done”.
Well, I like it that way. Personally, I have a new E-620 that has been off the shelve twice….. It’s not me…
No Chrissy1, you decided to flame me for being “unimaginative” .. I’m sorry, I am an amateur photographer, a musician, and for years an engineer. Creativity is not limited to Digital this and Digital that. When I record my music in my home studio, the sounds that come out of my Boss 864 portastudio can’t match what I can get out of my old Ortari 8 track reel to reel…. Because a person doesn’t drool at every Apple product produced doesn’t make them “less creative” or “less imaginative”..
For the record – Modern California and Texas speedways suck. I’d rather watch a race at old school North Wilkesboro, Rockinham, or Martinsville.. Does that make me less creative and imaginative??
I OWN the movie Blow Up. It was part of our curriculum at the Art Institute.
I never bought that he could get that kind of detail out of that little frame, though. But it was a great education on photographers, if not photography.
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />
Maybe the lens had something to do with it?
“@ Apple Jack – You must also know that our skills in film are becoming obsolete and archaic. “Digital will set you free!”
SInce I am an engineer by trade and photography is my hobby, my skills will never become “obsolete and archaic” anymore than a man who hunts with a black powder gun….
I was told that I was years behind the times when I started (for not shooting Kodachrome) … I enjoy black and white photography, analog recordings,home made bread, and drawing time scaled logic diagrams… Different strokes – – – – – – – – – –
IiPad is certainly the first device that I might get my mother ( 84yrs) to even have a go with.
No keys, no welcome screens and delays. Just touch and go.
It will need configuring – a button for each website, resource as well as Apps like crossword, but maybe, just maybe…….
@ Uh-Huh
Look, I didn’t mean to crawl all up in your shit, but you made a comment that started this whole thing off that I felt lacked imagination, and I said so. You then came out swinging with insults in your now-deleted comment, so I thought I’d fire back to keep it going.
I’m not knocking your film skills. I respect that. It can be a 2 way thing if you like.
@ Uh-Huh
No offense was meant about archaic. But you must notice that film, paper and chemistry are disappearing. How long has it been since Kodak even manufactured B&W;paper?
Digital offers amazing freedom in exposure, cost and versatility. The quality and quantity of equipment is exploding. Checkout Olympus and Zuiko HQ and SHQ optics instead of Nikon or Canon.
@Chrissy
I never use my kit without my Pentax 1% spot. My darkroom skills are lacking, but I’ve always had “field” skills.
Here’s to the “Image.”
The iPad can give that in spades. I can’t wait to use the VGA dongle with a good DLP.
C1 – where was your fav place to get film developed in Seattle? Hint: side door was for the pros…
Used to drive – ferry – drive over from Whidbey Island to have stuff done I couldn’t do in my lab… Jeez that is a long time ago!
90% of my work was (and still is) underwater work… I used Fuji because I liked the colour saturation and a bit of blue. I remember when we first started to use digital and I was looking at a Kodak back to hook up to my Mac.
Between building my own home on Whidbey and photography that was almost heaven.
Cheers.
“the sounds that come out of my Boss 864 portastudio can’t match what I can get out of my old Ortari 8 track reel to reel…. “
That’s fine! But I can get more dynamic range, by MILES AND MILES, with a properly exposed RAW image than I could ever get from paper or chrome. No contest. Not to mention that speed with which I can turn things around and how quickly I can find images in my catalog. Oh yeah, and I have several thousand of my full-resolution images with me at all times. I don’t care what you’re shooting, a good digital workflow pwns the bloody hell out of anything I could ever do with film.
@ Chrissy1..
It shall be the path of mutual respect!
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”smile” style=”border:0;” /> Cheers – Sorry – and hopefully many happy discussions!
@Apple Jack
As mentioned above, I have a Olympus SLR (E-620).. Just doesn’t do it for me….
@ MizuInOz
Are you thinking of ProLab? I used to send stuff there but I never walked in. We had a pick-up across the street at (I can’t remember the name of the printer… on 3rd and Virginia).
Or maybe Ivey Seright, which I preferred because sometimes ProLab would push your shit without telling you. Ivey became Photobition, then it went back to Ivey, then I think they closed shop. I dunno, I rarely visit that neighborhood to go to Glazier’s main store (a shadow of what it used to be) but I do rent equipment from their rental place over on Mercer.
@ AppleJack
You mean the Honeywell / Pentax spot? Still have mine!! Still works great!!
@ ChrissyOne,
You are a good photographer. You are cuter than a lot of people.
You had me at Hummer in Paris.
After weeks of using iPad around the house, I picked up my MBP for the first time since I had bought the iPad. Holy cow, did it feel heavy!!!
For 90% of my travels, iPad is ideal.
LOL.
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />
But seriously… the best part about digital photography, as a hobbyist, is that I can go shoot anything I like, and it costs… nothing.
I sell a very little bit of stock photography, and my profession is certainly related to photography, but I don’t directly make any money on my photos either. If someone was paying my to shoot all that stuff you see on my site it would be great. But they don’t. I don’t think I could have afforded to buy that much film and chemistry if I’d even wanted to.
@breeze: Yep. You totally got me. You wouldn’t believe the stuff that woman ate. Actually, I was the nerd that got B’s and C’s and enjoyed the opportunity to make people laugh. You should try it sometime. Laughing that is, not B’s and C’s. Your mom would be pissed.
@Uh-huh
3 things you can’t do with a Mac laptop that you can do with iPads:
1) You can’t flip it vertically and view your document with more vertical space.
2) You can’t zoom in to get closer view of pic/article.
3) You can’t pick it up and open Safari in less than 3 seconds.
@ lcm123
These things are all true.
I’ve also noticed that the iPad monitor is bloody beautiful, and shows more detail in the highlights, especially with ProPhoto16 files, than either of my Apple monitors or any laptop I’ve owned.
@lcm123
You can zoom on a Macbook by using Ctrl+Scroll. Doesn’t have nearly the cool factor of doing it on the iPad though.
@ Jimithy
True. But mousing (or track-padding) around to scroll and zoom takes far more effort and precision. Nothing beats pinching and flicking. ANd I’ve found that people have a much easier time following what you’re saying about an image if you’re actually pointing at it. Much more engaging.
I can’t wait until I can get a 24″ version. =)
@C1
“I sell a very little bit of stock photography, and my profession is certainly related to photography, but I don’t directly make any money on my photos either.”
Hmm, I guess blackmail is your thing then. Stay over there in Seattle
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”wink” style=”border:0;” />
Oh, and permit me to regress 30 years. All you people gabbing about photography get over it. This is a tech website, not an art or photography one. Sheesh, get a life.
And yes, I am incapable of not reading the stuff that bothers (hmm, how to know what bothers me unless I read it).
And still get offa my lawn!
@ C1
“But seriously… the best part about digital photography, as a hobbyist, is that I can go shoot anything I like, and it costs… nothing.”
Except your victim’s soul.
@ Contrarian
“Except your victim’s soul.”
Yeah… I’m gonna need to get bigger RAIDs for all these souls…
@ C1
Please stop at Snark! I’d be very afraid if you went all the way to Boojum!
@C1,
Maybe things have changed in the last 2 or 3 years, but my feeling is nothing beats large format color negative film which is then scanned with a good film scanner. Even at 35mm its a good way to go. But digital RAW is close (at 35mm) and way faster, cheaper, easier, and a sure thing.
@ DESuserIGN
I ran Linotype Hell 3400 drum scanners for many years… I can appreciate a good large format film capture and a good scan in LAB. But I’m not talking about large format here…where the benefits of film are still clear, especially if you address cost like I mentioned. Large format capture is WAY out of my price range for a good setup, and capture times are still studio-slow.
But for 35mm format forget about it. There about are the same amount of pixels on a 5D2 as there are on a piece of Velvia 50, and most people could afford a 5D2. I only use a 14mpx G10 and a 10mpx XTi and I still get better quality and sharpness than any film I ever shot.
El Guapo: “Release yourself from the shackles of 30 years of indoctrination that tell you you must have a keyboard, USB, CD drive, card reader, floppy disk, ad infinitum. See / think differently or the world will leave you behind.”
Doesn’t Apple sell an “Apple iPad Camera Connection Kit” with USB/card reader connectors? As well as a keyboard dock? Yes, I believe they do.
@Islandgirl
It’s for those that have a hard time letting go.
It’s for those that have a hard time letting go.
Like letting go of a way to load pix into the iPad.
Until iPhone OS 4.0 it’s Multitasking Lite, VERY LITE!
October cannot come fast enough!
@chrissyone you are right about the portability. Like yours, my iPad has not left my side either, and it does command an attention like no other device. While my laptop is mobile it is by far easier to bring my iPad into another room.
The iPad is the first device to truly make computers “personal.”