MacDailyNews Note: Adobe has 8,660 employees. Currently.
Beatweek reports, “That’s right, Adobe intends to cripple the entire iPhone platform, which at last count includes more than fifty million units sold, by denying iPhones to its own employees. Instead, Adobe’s team will be forced to use Google’s open source Android platform, the mobile equivalent of Linux, for their daily mobile phone usage.”
Full article – recommended – here.
MacDailyNews Take: Well, it’s only natural that lazy ingrate Adobe’s employees should get intimately familiar with the next platform they’re going to fsck up.
Have fun hovering over Flash menus on your inaccurate, spastic Android touchscreens, lazy ingrate Adobe employees. Not that Android’s touchscreen spasticity and inaccuracy even matters in that case.
We can’t wait to see Flash deployed across all non-Apple platforms so that inferior, nondescript, joy-sapping, watered-down, lowest common denominator Flash ports litter the non-Apple platforms, even further diminishing their prospects versus Apple’s products, where even the most minute details matter, where apps take advantage of all the latest Apple innovations, and where customers will flock ever faster.
Forcing your employees to use and develop bloatware for inferior platforms is a much better use of your time, than would be leading the market (Remember that? Probably not, it’s been so long since you did it; most of the people who accomplished it are long gone) by building tools to allow developers to create open HTML5 content. Ah, well, this is a software need that is better filled by other, markedly less lazy, more-talented companies. Then you can foolishly buy them for 3X the price and ruin their products, too, with your port and bloat mentality – right, lazy ingrate Adobe?
Adobe. Striving for Mediocrity.™ (And never quite getting there.)
Thanks, lazy ingrate Adobe, for being so easily manipulatable that your CEO and, by extension, your entire company, look and act just like Steve Jobs’ marionette.
Note to advertisers: (including those who advertise via third-party ad networks and become, in effect, our advertisers): Your Flash-based ads are no longer reaching the most well-heeled customers online: 50+ million iPhone owners. They’re also not hitting brand new iPad users or 35+ million iPod touch users. If you care about reaching people with discretionary income, you might want to consider dumping your flash-based ads and moving to a more open format that people with money and the will to spend it can actually see.
Help kill Adobe’s Flash:
• Ask MarketWatch to offer HTML5 video via the customer support web form here.
• Ask CNBC to offer HTML5 video via the customer support web form here.
• Contact Hulu and ask them to offer HTML5 video via email:
• Ask ESPN360 to offer HTML5 video instead Flash via their feedback page here.
• Join YouTube’s HTML5 beta here.
• On Vimeo, click the “Switch to HTML5 player” link below any video.
By the way, do not buy Adobe’s Photoshop Elements until you have tried Pixelmator’s free 30-day trial. We use Pixelmator daily.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Readers “Mike F.” and “zmarc” for the heads up.]
This would actually matter if there was a Flash plug-in for Android. There is NOT. So what’s the point of discussing whether Flash should work on iPhone or not…? It doesn’t currently work on ANY mobile OS platform.
Hey, with the new iPhone’s supposedly being thinner, I think there is a (small) market for an anti-theft anti-detection case that makes your iPhone look like an Android phone, or later, a Windows phone.
MDN, I also agree with G4Daulie.
If we split hairs, I guess you could say that your wording only means “the employees of lazy ingrate Adobe”, and that you haven’t specifically said that all those employees qualify for that appellation. Nevertheless, you did specifically say that they should “get intimately familiar with the next platform they’re going to fsck up”.
I suggest that you add a take to concede, or at least make it clear, that not all of Adobe’s staff are lazy ingrates, and that many of them are unlikely to agree with their management’s decision. Mac users still have friends at Adobe. No need to alienate them.
@ G4Dualie, I’m sure you mis-read.
“lazy ingrate Adobe’s employees” doesn’t mean that MDN labels the employees as lazy and ungrateful. In fact, we’ve read often enough that MDN does not do that. If it did, the words would have been “Adobe’s lazy ingrate employees”. I think MDN has been careful not to denigrate the employees themselves in any way.
I liked this one: “Adobe. Striving for Mediocrity.™ (And never quite getting there.)” Reminds me of how I characterize such things: “delusions of adequacy”
@zmarc
“… I’ve turned down jobs that wanted me to use Windows …”
Yep.
And I won’t hire anyone who wants to use Windows while in my employ.
Funny how any prospective employee or contractor who wants to use Windows in my businesses, invariably also shows evidence of outdated, even backward thinking, and a definite attitude of “good enough”.
Denying employment to Microsoft-laptop-toting job candidates has become a quick, easy, and accurate first measure of a prospect.
My words,
“Thanks for taking the time to meet with us today.”
There’s never a second chance.
@ G4Dualie
I read that differently, like grh mentioned…, but it did come across as kind insulting. Thank you for that.
@nacb – The strategy for interviewing with you: Carry a MBP with Windows in a partition and the command line open. That’s a triple – Mac, Windows and hacker enough for Linux.
Let me make something clear – I may have differences with some of the management at the mud hut, but I worked with some outstandingly creative and motivated people. Personally I think the problem was that management hasn’t been listening to a lot of those people lately.
But Adobe has GREAT employees, and does GREAT stuff.
“I suggest that you add a take to concede, or at least make it clear, that not all of Adobe’s staff are lazy ingrates, and that many of them are unlikely to agree with their management’s decision. Mac users still have friends at Adobe. No need to alienate them.”
That might even be true of Microsoft.
Isn’t this desperate behavior the norm when a competitor knows they are starting to go down for the count???
As long as adobe buy their employees cell phones they have every right to saddle them with second rate phones. The employees will then do less than the best job. – Fools.
“Personally I think the problem was that management hasn’t been listening to a lot of those people lately.”
Sounds like Icaza and Luh would agree:
“Carlos Icaza and Walter Luh, former Adobe mobile engineers, said they were raising flags at Adobe in 2007 about the same complaints that Jobs detailed Thursday.
“Walter and I, being the lead architects for Flash Lite, we were seeing the iPhone touch devices coming out, and we kept saying ‘Hey, this is coming along,’” Icaza said in a phone interview. “You have this white elephant that everybody ignored. Half the [Adobe] mobile business unit was carrying iPhones, and yet the management team wasn’t doing anything about it.”
Icaza and Luh have a vested interest in this dispute: After leaving Adobe, they launched a startup, Ansca Mobile, which produces a cross-platform solution called Corona that competes with Flash.
They said they left Adobe because executives did not take the iPhone seriously when Apple announced the touchscreen device in 2007. Instead, Adobe focused on feature phones (cellphones with lightweight web features, not smartphones) and invested in development of Flash Lite to play Flash videos on such devices. Subsequently, Adobe shut down the mobile business unit in 2007, and has suffered from a brain drain in the mobility space ever since, Icaza and Luh said.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/adobe-flash-jobs/
All you had to do was look at Device Central to know what Adobe was thinking.
Ice Central without the dev?
adobe=lazy
Headline is still wrong: it says 0.01732% but should be 0.001732% (8,660 / 50,000,000).
“That might even be true of Microsoft.”
I agree Ampar. There are some dedicated folks in Microsoft’s MBU.
Adobe. Striving for Mediocrity.™
LOL…
“Headline is still wrong: it says 0.01732% but should be 0.001732% (8,660 / 50,000,000).”
They were using Excel?
@ MDN – get nasty much ?
@ Adobe – nanny nanny boo boo
@Switcheroo
As of May 01,2010; 20:00 EST
Apple = 4619
Adobe = 3062
OnTheFence = 2173
I voted with Steve and it looks like Microsoft is on the HTML5 side as well. Oh boy… something’s up. – Bing! anybody?
Adobe has put several free photo and drawing apps onto the iPhone. I suppose they did that to discourage innovative competitors that have to charge for their apps. Are they now intending to leave the AppStore altogether? That would swing the gates wide open for a Photoshop killer to emerge.
8000? That’s all? That is like spitting in the ocean. Fools! Nobody gives a rat’s ass about adobe.
@ Switcheroo:
Adobe must’ve told their 8660 employees to vote in that Mashable poll because votes supporting Flash miraculously jumped way ahead of support to kill Flash.
@G4Dualie
Very well said. Apple just called Adobe’s baby ugly! Steve Jobs shot a hole right through Adobe’s poorly thought out strategy. It seems that CS 5 main marketing effort was around program once, and port to every device.
That’s been tried and failed before, can’t for the life of me understand why Adobe thought it would be good this time.
There seems to be a real lack of ideas and direction at Adobe, and it seems the Board of Directors shouldn’t be waiting long to can some one’s a$$ here, because let’s face it, unless you are confronted with a monumental lawsuit, it is NEVER good business to bad mouth your major customer.
>We can’t wait to see Flash deployed across all non-Apple platforms
Can’t agree more, MDN. Time for Adobe to stop bickering with Steve and start focusing on platforms where Flash still matters.