Apple vs. Google: World War III

Apple and Google once had what “looked like the beginning of a beautiful friendship,” Brad Stone and Miguel Helft report for The New York Times. “Today, such warmth is in short supply. Mr. Jobs, Mr. Schmidt and their companies are now engaged in a gritty battle royale over the future and shape of mobile computing and cellphones, with implications that are reverberating across the digital landscape.”

“In the last six months, Apple and Google have jousted over acquisitions, patents, directors, advisers and iPhone applications. Mr. Jobs and Mr. Schmidt have taken shots at each other’s companies in the media and in private exchanges with employees,” Stone and Helft report.

“While the discord between Apple and Google is in part philosophical and involves enormous financial stakes, the battle also has deeply personal overtones and echoes the ego-fueled fisticuffs that have long characterized technology industry feuds,” Stone and Helft report.

“Yet according to interviews with two dozen industry watchers, Silicon Valley investors and current and former employees at both companies — most of whom requested anonymity to protect their jobs or business relationships — the clash between Mr. Schmidt and Mr. Jobs offers an unusually vivid display of enmity and ambition,” Stone and Helft report. “At the heart of their dispute is a sense of betrayal: Mr. Jobs believes that Google violated the alliance between the companies by producing cellphones that physically, technologically and spiritually resembled the iPhone. In short, he feels that his former friends at Google picked his pocket.”

Stone and Helft report, “One well-connected Silicon Valley investor, who did not want to be identified talking about the Google-Apple feud, says he is stunned by the level of rancor he’s witnessed. ‘It’s World War III. Amazing animosity is motivating two of the most powerful people in the industry,’ he says. ‘This is emotional. This is the biggest ego battle in history. It’s incendiary.'”

Full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: This time around, there’s no poorly-written contract signed by an unprepared sugared water salesbozo.” Wherever Google infringes on their IP, Apple should make them pay dearly.

Google’s going to rue the day they got greedy by deciding to try to work against Apple instead of with them.

We’ve been pushing the state-of-the-art in every facet of design… We’ve been innovating like crazy for the last few years on this and we’ve filed for over 200 patents for all of the inventions in iPhone. And we intend to protect them.Apple CEO Steve Jobs when unveiling iPhone, January 9, 2007

We like competition as long as they don’t rip off our IP, in which case we will go after them. We will not stand for having our IP ripped-off and we will use any weapons at our disposal [to stop it].Apple COO Tim Cook, January 21, 2009

84 Comments

  1. Google may be biting off a lot more than it can chew.

    A war with Apple, a war with the Chinese government and an FTC disapproval of it’s AdMob merger are just the first huge battles and the beginnings of Google fragmenting it’s focuses and expending huge financial resources.

    Couple that with Google spreading itself very thin by branching out into virtually every aspect of everyone’s technology and market that it can get it’s hands on, when it’s main asset is a “search engine” which drives it’s advertising revenue , may actually be distractions that will cause it to start self destructing.

    At the very least Google will tarnish the aura of the white knight it has enjoyed and cultivated, with huge fanfare to create a dark image for itself, that has no luster, fanfare or popular support.

    These are not battles Google wants or needs.

    For what seemed like the smartest company in the world, Google has shown us recently some pretty dumb moves…

  2. Hmm, I still love both companies, and I think this kind of war is no good for neither the one nor the other companies. Google and Apple have still lot of values and principles in common, like innovation as the engine of moving forward and a love for perfectionism in designing good and simple user interfaces and algorithms.

  3. And in fact, I think Google has any right to do his own mobile operating system, why shouldn’t they. If Apple is a bit concerned about Android grabbing market shares from the iPhone OS, then they should concentrate on what they can do best, which is innovate and continue to improve the user experiece and their mobile OS, instead of starting personal industry wars.

    In regards of multitouch, I would say: this is just not the type of technology, where you should insist on the patents you have. Apple can be very proud to have invented it and they have their place in the tech hall of fame for this invention. But multitouch is such a basic technology, that it would prevent innovation in the industry if it stays in the hand of one company. It would be like a patent on the computer mouse, preventing every OS or hardware system from using a mouse. It just makes sense that multitouch becomes standard for all mobile operating system, multitouch is just to generic no to be. Apple should be so generous to let this happen. They have enough competitive advantage through their pace of innovation hardly anyone can follow.

  4. Even though Google is clearly better than Microsoft, it still is a little appalling that they blatantly copied the same technology that made the iPhone great. Has anyone ever thought what phones may be like today if not for the iPhone?

  5. What happened to “Don’t be evil”?

    The times they are a changin…

    So if I were to boycott Google because I think they are turning into a shady company who else could I use as my search engine other than the dorky Bing?

  6. @ PlomlompomII,

    “But multi-touch is such a basic technology, that it would prevent innovation in the industry if it stays in the hand of one company.”

    If it is a basic technology why the hell didn’t Xerox stumble upon it in the late 70s/early 80s? Multi touch was just invented recently by Apple and/or one of Apple’s recent acquisitions. It is new. It is patented. It is protected. It is not basic. When it comes to computers, the command line is basic. Later on, the mouse became basic. Then the track pad became basic. Maybe soon, multi-touch will become basic but it’s not there yet.

    Just because your favorite OS coding company didn’t come up with it first, does not mean that Android or Web OS or Windows 7 Phone should be able to copy it for free. It is Apple’s IP and Apple does not license IP. Let them use their own innovations, multi-touch is not for sale.

  7. If multitouch is so basic, why didn’t anyone else develop it? I can’t believe people don’t grasp the concept of protecting what you created with your money. Apple isn’t in business to get pats on the back and give away it’s innovation. It’s a business. Again I say, if multitouch is so damn basic and logical why wasn’t it used before by say, nokia?

  8. Apple locks it’s customers in a some what nice cage but it’s a cage. Google gives people including Apple customers a lot of tools and information for freedom. Apple would be worse than Microsoft if it had the same side. If the iPhone is not unlockable or jailbreakable, forget it. Apple’s worshppers are like on drug. Posting from my unlocked jailbroken iPhone. Waiting for the arrival of the mutitouch NexusOne…

  9. deepdish, “The problem is google doesn’t believe in pattens.”

    Patten (shoe) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
    Pattens are protective overshoes worn from the Middle Ages until the early 20th century. Pattens were worn outdoors over a normal shoe.

    Google may need protective lawyers.

  10. Google is a one hit wonder. That is really their trouble. They came up with a nifty search engine waay ahead of the competition. What have they done lately that is exciting in a bottom line kind of way? Crickets.

  11. What you fail to grasp is that the average computer user appreciates being locked in a cage as you call it because of its usability. Are you just dumb or blind to the problems with the fracturing of Android already?

  12. I am surprised that anyone could patent multi-touch. I personally saw multi-touch demonstrated back in 1985 in Scottsdale, AZ. A little engineering company had just developed a new line of color workstations they had just introduced to the market.

    The company invited my sophomore high school programming class to show us the future. Needless to say we were IMPRESSED. Having just seen a 1984 Mac for the first time two weeks earlier our imaginations were going wild with the future of computing. (Mice, pull down menus, graphics, icons, touch screens with multi-touch). All these inventions were incredible! Although I did not know it at the time, these demonstrations shaped my career – I have been in the computer field ever since.

    Patents should be defended and protected! I am just surprised that anyone could patent multi-touch. It was clearly in limited use in Scottsdale, AZ back in 1985.

  13. The iPhone OS is a “closed” system for some very practical reasons. The single biggest is safety from viruses. To this point there is absolutely no fear of a virus, which makes for a care-free user experience. What makes me laugh is the idea that anyone would bitch about cell phones being too closed. Before the iPhone this would have been absurd.

  14. ‘It’s World War III. Amazing animosity is motivating two of the most powerful people in the industry,’ he says. ‘This is emotional. This is the biggest ego battle in history. It’s incendiary.’

    And, this is all Eric Schmidt’s fault.

    He had inside information gained from the time he served on Apple’s board and then he used it to formulate an iPhone-like phone for Google… in other words, he pulled a Bill Gates (a la Windows).

    This is the second time an Apple ‘partner’ has done this and Steve is as pissed as hell for getting blindsided twice.

    Expect the animosity and bitterness between these two companies to get worse. With Apple’s US$40+ billion war chest, there will be plenty of lawyers involved in protecting Apple’s IP.

    MaWo: ‘person’. As in, ‘Schmidt = non grata’

  15. Wow! I use to enjoy this site but now it reads like an Microsoft site circa 2003.

    I wonder if the developers of KHTML aka Webkit’s base (Konqueror), the tons of OSS software that makes up 80% (not the UI and not the kernel) of OS X could say a lot of what has been said on this site.

    You people need to remember that if the Open Source communities decided to change the licenses for quite a bit of the soft Apple ships as part of OS X .. how LONG would it take for Apple to rip it out, change it and then put out the same functionality in their own software.

    I know I’ll get flamed for it but it’s the truth. Apple is Microsoft now. Oh well. From all us UNIX/Linux geeks .. you’re welcome!

  16. I still can’t understand why anyone would expect one company to ignore a case of infringement by another company on key, protected intellectual property. Would one film studio let another sell their copyrighted movies? Would one drug company let another copy a patented drug?

    Why is everyone surprised that Apple is defending the technology it invented and protected with patents?

    You could say Polaroid’s patents on instant photography technology “hindered” innovation by blocking competitors from copying them. The other way of looking at it is the ability to get a patent enabled the innovation in the first place. Would you spend millions of dollars and years of your life creating something new, if anyone could rip it off?

  17. We shall see just how accurate the above article is when Safari 5 comes out. Wondering what that little search rectangle in the upper right corner will look like. Multiple choices, just Google, or someone else?

  18. @BenR
    “if the Open Source communities decided to change the licenses” may be the most ill-informed (or mendacious) post I’ve seen in a while. The very nature of the open sourcing makes a license change impossible &/or ineffectual. What a pointless troll…

  19. 1. Apple is suing HTC, not Google.
    2. Google didn’t build and sell the phone with patent violations, HTC did.
    3. From what I understand, none of the violated patents are for software.
    4.It’s handy that all the verbal vitriol attributed to Steve Jobs cannot be confirmed, on the record, by someone with an actual name.
    5. I thought the idea was to actually get Android to the market, as open source, and as an MS Mobile and Symbian killer. I don’t think anyone believes that iPhone should be the only phone, and phone-form on the market.
    6. Apple needs only to continue being Apple to stay ahead of all competition. . . . No wars are necessary.

  20. Somewhere I read “Google products never leave the beta stage.” That seem borne out by the Nexus.

    After such quick and easy success with their search, they seem to think they can do anything.

    @effwerd. Being first in line for new Apple products has historically and objectively been a smart move. Your brain implant comment is your fantasy explanation for the simple fact people find certain products to be better than others.

  21. Google didn’t invent anything. Google is the new M$. Google is making a fortune with other’s content. Before Google I was using Altavista, Lycos and Yahoo. Google is not that useful company after all…
    What’s interesting is to see how Apple now is really in war against M$, Google, HP, Dell, Sony, Nintendo, Amazon to name the major players.

  22. I have news for you, under no circumstance would apple use bing; it’s results are not nearly as good as google! And nothing else is close to google either. Apple would have to fit some room in that new super computer center they are building for their own engine for them to move from google.

    At this rate of toe stepping apple will have iSearch.com going by the end of the week

  23. Yes indeed. I note there’s still a nice big Google search box at the top of the latest incarnation of Safari.

    If this pathetic ego game goes on much longer it may well be that this will disappear- to be replaced by?

  24. Eric Schmidt is a perfect example of the second tier management that follows founders of great companies. “Don’t be evil” was the motto under Page & Brin. The motto under Schmidt must be “I’m clueless, so let’s copy something.”

    Now that Jobs knows who he is, he must be channeling Sculley’s hire at Apple. The professional manager is a myth and the scourge of American industry. There is no substitute for the passionate entrepreneur.

  25. iSearch, yes! That’s the inevitable solution. Better or not, I think many can live with that. Though I’m sure it would improve. The more in-house Apple gets, like with iSearch or with automated-hardware-manufacturing, the more profit.

  26. @ChrissyOne

    And Apple didn’t invent the mouse neither the GUI, but for all intents and purposes, they are their “inventors” for being the first ones to actually use those two technologies in a meaningful way to the market

  27. “I can’t believe people don’t grasp the concept of protecting what you created with your money.”

    What a dull statement. Just imagine if Edison had been allowed to broadly patent “an electrically charged light emitting glass bulb” how that would have affected history. Or if the piston had been given a patent, or the geared wheel. We simply would not have cars or airplanes today as every back yard innovator would have been sued or levied into oblivion by patent claims.
    A recent inventor developed a powered unicycle (“The Uno”) and in doing so discovered it may never be produced due to a myriad patent claims, over the mechanics and software, that could take up to 25 years to sort out. Patents today are stifling innovation at every turn and companies are acting like Mafia in their efforts to protect their turf. Companies like Apple should be able to patent the entire form and concept of a product, but not all the physical workings, and even then, only for a limited period of time.

  28. @ lukeskymac

    Uh, no actually. And it doesn’t save you from being wrong. You don’t just get squatters rights for technologies.
    Apple is in control of many aspects of multi-touch due to its licenses and patents, but that doesn’t change that fact that they didn’t invent it.

    Words mean things.

  29. @ Brau

    How little understanding of human behavior you have. If there is no incentive or payout for doing something then people won’t waste their time to invent things just for bragging rights. You want people to spend time and money to bring a product to market and then just give it away. That will never work. That’s why the Soviet Union failed and other such communal societies. There is nothing wrong with licensing your inventions but giving it away is just stupid.

  30. @Brau
    I’m not disputing that the current patent system is highly flawed, the software aspects, in particular. But did you actually consider checking your history when you used the lightbulb as an example?

    http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bledisonpatents.htm

    At http://edison.rutgers.edu/patents.htm you will learn that:

    “Edison executed the first of his 1,093 successful U.S. patent applications on 13 October 1868, at the age of 21. He filed an estimated 500–600 unsuccessful or abandoned applications as well.”

    See http://edison.rutgers.edu/patents/00223898.PDF. It is an incandescent lightbulb…

  31. @Mac4lfe
    To be fair, some people do give their intellectual property away after patenting it. It is a noble action and that spirit, if it were to spread significantly, would greatly enhance the potential of humankind to advance technologically. The fact that you would label such people as “stupid” says much (and none of it flattering) about your character.

    Unfortunately, there are not many truly altruistic people around. I submit that the flaws in human nature are what prevent communism from being generally successful as a social model. The approach, itself, is logical if your objective is to advance the community and not the individual.

  32. How this makes for strange bedfellows…

    MS and Apple are supposedly talking about making Bing the default search engine on the iPhone. Not that I’m an MS fan by any means, but it is so ironic that this “war” has brought MS and Apple together. Recently as last week, Monkey Boy Ballmer was caught talking about Apple in a surprisingly positive light, praising their technologies (I believe he was talking about the iPhone). Regardless, you don’t hear anything positive about Apple coming from his mouth.

    My how the times they are a-changing…….

  33. Please – like Apple hasn’t stolen anything from anyone else? Google innovates, just like everyone else does. There were versions of multi-touch that Google worked on before the iPhone was even patented.

    I’m supposed to hate Google now? MDN needs to take a chill pill. Competition is what drives innovation. If Apple removes Google form the iPhone and runs to Microsoft and Bing, I’ll stop using my iPhone in protest…

  34. Google had played deaf, dumb, and blind for years to please the Chinese government, and not until their software got allegedly attacked that they suddenly became “holier than thou” and played the victim card to get the free world to come to their aid. What a cowardly evil company they are, only care about human and privacy rights when their greed and business interests being threaten.

    I do not condone what the Chinese did (if true), but it couldn’t happen to a nicer company. Hey Google, what goes around comes around. Let it be a lesson to all who think privacy rights and protection of private information are Google primary concern.

    It looks like the Chinese are going to stand their ground and give Google the boot in spite of the pathetic victim card they have been playing in public.

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see that backstabber Schmidt on his hands and knees begging the Chinese for a second chance with a promise to do whatever it takes to please the Chinese even more this time around.

  35. Hah, look at the sad little Google trolls swarming all over this article.

    Apple does jackshit to lock consumers into its platform, it doesn’t draft anti-competitive license agreements, it doesn’t leverage proprietary formats in an attempt to destroy all alternatives, and it employ astroturfers. But here we have cries of “Apple is Microsoft now!”.

    Sorry, no. Microsoft is Microsoft now.

    As for the company becoming the most like Microsoft, that would be Google. They have dreams of world domination, they’ve started backstabbing their partners with glee, they’ve lifted their Android strategy right from Windows Mobile, and they very clearly do employ astroturfers.

    At this point, a fitting nickname for Google would be Microsoft Junior.

    What they need to do is cut the bullshit and get back to their core competencies or else their brand will lose its value, of which Android and Nexus One have already seriously cost them. They can start by fixing their increasingly broken search engine.

  36. @KingMel
    You said:
    “To be fair, some people do give their intellectual property away after patenting it. It is a noble action and that spirit, if it were to spread significantly, would greatly enhance the potential of humankind to advance technologically. The fact that you would label such people as “stupid” says much (and none of it flattering) about your character.”

    How much of your own patented intellectual property have you given away?

    My guess is that most people who feel that Apple should give it’s intellectual away and not protect it, would be horrified if their employers asked the to work for free. Those who don’t see the connection are naive and clueless.

    I think Google ripped Apple off and I don’t like that.
    I hope Apple crushes Google.
    I would be happy to use Apple search, not Bing.

  37. It’s called competition and sometimes it can get dirty? Has google ripped off any of Apple’s IP?

    I’m a consumer and I could care less about legal battles, I just want the best products and choice, let them feud it out if they want. Who cares.

  38. Some of the posters need to be clear what they are talking about. Anyone can use multi-touch, the problem is when these companies are using Apple’s multi-touch metaphors and algorithms instead of doing their own homework. It is the difference between Xerox making a GUI to handle the Unix directory file system, and the desktop metaphor Apple created to make the GUI more intuitive.

  39. Google lacks focus, they are trying to be in too many markets at once. They should stick to server engines and search software, and leave consumer electronics alone.

  40. Patenting invention and exercising right to defend one’s patents isn’t an all-or-nothing affair with Apple. If anyone here would care to turn off their selective memory for a moment, they’ll remember that Apple invented FireWire, then turned it over to the IEEE standards body and made it a public standard, which benefited everyone (ask any person working in digital video field). That is only one of several examples where Apple invented technology and decided that it would be much more beneficial for the world to make that technology a global standard and make it available to everyone who wants to use it.

    Multi-touch, however, is definitely NOT such a technology. It is a unique set of proprietary UI conventions that Apple invented for their own commercial use. There are plenty of equally competitive (from the perspective of function) alternative UI conventions (buttons, joystick navigation, single touch, etc). The touch interface for mobile platforms has been in existence for almost twenty years (since Newton), and in the mainstream since original Palm Pilot (and Windows CE). They can continue to exist and evolve, but not by taking the ideas developed by Apple and applying them as original.

    Apple has been generally fairly generous company when it comes to inventing some technology and then turning it over to the community. They have earned their right to NOT do that with everything they invent. Multi-touch GUI is one of those inventions. They should be allowed to earn return on that massive investment in developing it.

  41. I find it amusing that people are comparing Google to Microsoft, when it’s really Apple that should be compared to Microsoft.

    Anyone of you who says “does jackshit to lock consumers into its platform” is smoking something. Last time I checked, you can’t run Mac OS on anything other then an Apple product, [RIP Psystar] you can’t run iTunes on anything other then an iPod music player [RIP Pre] and you can’t even freely program apps for the iPhone [RIP anything deemed inappropriate by Apple].

    Apple is trying to take over the world and they want to make sure they crush anyone who tries to compete with them. Wake up and smell the apples…

  42. Oh, and their once superior hardware quality has gone down the drain. It took me 5 (FIVE!) different iMac 27″ orders to get a working machine. Five times I had to back-up my data and move it around from machine to machine disrupting my life.

    My Rev. A Macbook Air still heats up and shuts down when I try and run any intensive video. [known problem with no real fix from Apple].

    My Time Capsule is dead after 18 months (just like thousands of others) because of poor design that results in internal components frying from heat damage [known problem that Apple refuses too fix].

    My Apple TV is a joke with no real support from Apple who calls it a “hobby.” I’m so glad I invested my money in something they don’t even take that seriously.

    Snow Leopard killed half my software and I still don’t have working printer drivers. Sound familiar? Oh, and a bug in the software (the day they released it) killed all my files because my profile got deleted…good thing I had so many back-ups lying around from ordering 5 iMacs…

    Don’t be mistaken who is looking more and more like Microsoft.

  43. @playnice

    Only a fool would keep buying products from a company that has failed them as many times as Apple has failed you.

    FACTS ARE. “YOU ARE A TROLL”

    And as far as your failure rate “You rank in the ignore my 13 year old mind”

    Save yourself the time and lies and spend some time with you Android phone and google love before it is all gone.

    Apple haters are out in force, but every one needs a break from reality to laugh, and “playnice” the 7 other folks with me are ROLFL at your post.

  44. I’m a Troll for being an Apple fanatic, probably longer then you’ve been alive, but being disappointed in the direction the company has taken both on the quality, and ideology front?

    It’s people like you who make the debate so meaningless because all you do is sling insults.

    Sorry for having an informed opinion. It must be hard on you.

  45. I have said it before and I will say it again.
    Apple, enter Search.
    Search is THE enduring killer app.
    Google started in 1998, 12 years of evolution I agree, but also 12 years of broadened research into, and understanding of search algorithms.
    Apple needs search because the future is more about data and content than it is about hardware alone.
    Search would enhance AAPL’s market value in time and bring Apple into a new biz franchise that never wanes.
    Search will become more and more important.
    Far too important to ignore.
    Just do the work and spend another $B to build added capacity in the NC facility.
    And it is the only counterpunch that will get a result.
    This is just the Shylock Shuffle once again.
    Weary of it,
    I wants it, see? I wants it all. I is good see. I is not evil.

  46. “Last time I checked, you can’t run Mac OS on anything other then an Apple product”

    Yes, and? Do you have a point?

    Since Apple does precisely zilch to lock the market in to OS X, the fact that it can only be run on Apple products fails to create any lock-in to them. Try again.

    “you can’t run iTunes on anything other then an iPod music player [RIP Pre]”

    Which is a non-issue considering that Apple published APIs allowing 3rd party software to sync with a person’s iTunes library and transfer its contents to any MP3 player.

    “and you can’t even freely program apps for the iPhone

    Making it cost a hundred dollars to become an iPhone developer creates a barrier to entry. That’s the opposite of lock-in. It’s lock-out. Are you even paying attention to what you’re writing?

    “Apple is trying to take over the world and they want to make sure they crush anyone who tries to compete with them.”

    Amazing. Tell me, what’s it like to live in Backwards World?

  47. Apple makes Appliances.
    Google makes Paradigm Shifts.

    The apples simply hate Google because they represent the thing they always hated. The form of the true creators, the innovators, the “geeks” that actually do and discover the stuff they like. Rather than the rips offs and the sales boys that simply gloss over something and pendle it to people whose biggest worry in their (finite) life is their hair goo.

    Google has changed the world all over. From the tallest Manhattan tower to the poorest Indian village.

    Apple is simply the brand of choice, of a bunch of fat, spoiled, American suburbian kids. Something like Nike shoes used to be, but with multitouch (a technology, they of cource didn’t event)

    And that’s the truth.

  48. ZETA’s obvious joke comment is obvious. But there probably are people who sincerely believe Google has shifted paradigms and changed the world. How frightening is that?

    Kind of like the chilling realization that Zune Tang’s satire is almost indistinguishable from a number of real life Windows users.

  49. Actually Zeta’s comment is very sincere. Google HAS changed the world. More than Microsoft & Apple combined. (who by now, can be treated just as simple hardware manufactured to run Google services on)

    Even for the iphone, the most useful applications, when you get bored with clicking ifart apps, in the end remain the ability to access the internet (through, say, Google. Soon it will be getting into the ISP business as well) and to use Google Maps and GPS navigation on said Google Maps.

    And that’s the truth.

  50. Patents are not forever. They were intended to foster innovation not quash it. Jobs has to wake up. He’s a general fighting the last war. Google isn’t Microsoft and it’s 2010 not 1985. Wake up Rip! It’s a whole new world out there.

  51. Google likes easy money either by hook or cook or cheat.
    Google does to believe in something called ETHICS.
    it was matter of luck that Google Balloon started flying high, but, without core technology, research and knowledge Google can not just follow the foot-steps of Apple or Microsoft.

    Google does not have any core products to sell, except soft-multi-cored Cheats in terms of AdWords (ripping-off the clients) and AdSense (sucking up the advertisers). Now their new expansion is deleting contents (Free Softwares, Forum Posts, Torrents) from the web-internet that may harm Google’s reputation.

    THERE IS NOTHING WRONG TO CHEAT THE CHEATER!

    F#@K GOOGLE

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