“Office 2011, due before the holidays, replaces the much-despised Entourage e-mail client and information manager with a real version of Microsoft Outlook created for Macintosh,” Coursey writes. “When that happens, Mac users become full participants on their companies’ Exchange-based e-mail systems. End of the Mac as a second-class corporate citizen.”
MacDailyNews Take: Too late. We don’t use Office anymore; haven’t for years. The only reason to use the bloated Office is if you’re stuck working at a place with dim-witted IT doofuses who’ve screwed their companies by shackling themselves to Microsoft “solutions.”
Coursey continues, “Microsoft could have done this previously, but used Entourage to create a barrier between Mac users and Exchange. Given the issue persisted for a decade, the incompatibility must be considered intentional. This nonsense went on much too long and Microsoft still deserves roasting for having pulled such a stunt in the first place. So, no congratulations from me.”
“Entourage appeared in 2000, replacing the previous Outlook Express that shipped with Office 98. Asked why they didn’t just offer a new Mac version of Outlook, Microsoft replied that Entourage was intended for a different audience than Outlook served,” Coursey writes. “That ‘new audience’ being Mac users who didn’t need to connect to Exchange, which left out a huge number of potential Windows-to-Mac converts over the decade. Intentionally crippled as a client for Exchange servers, Entourage was a sure way of keeping Macs from expanding their presence in businesses large enough to use Exchange and Outlook.”
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MacDailyNews Take: Anyone who gives Microsoft money for Office after such prolonged mistreatment, not to mention public ridicule from Microsoft’s CEO (please see: After attempting to belittle Mac users, Microsoft tries to sell them Office 2008 with free trial), is either a masochist, a fool, or stuck trying to get some work done with junk provided by the aforementioned IT doofuses. Our condolences.
I need a formula editor in both Pages and Keynote.
before that, I am stuck with that crash prone MS stuff.
hello apple? please….
@SamLowry
What?
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Pages/3.0/en/c9pg6.html
Open Formula Editor for selected non-formula cell =
Open Formula Editor for cell containing formula or formatted number =, Return, Enter, or double-click
In Formula Editor, save changes Return, Enter, Accept button
In Formula Editor, discard changes Escape, Cancel button
@SamLowry
. . . and Project, and Visio, and Access.
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Ghastly products all, but required in my work environment, at least for now, until I convince everyone to break from the collective.
Also Sam
http://evolve.lse.ac.uk/software/EquationEditor/
@MDN Take.
I think of buying MS products as giving to a charity fund.
With Microsoft’s Home Use Program I can get Office for $10. If only I could get iWork that inexpensively.
@Mormegil
OmniPlan and OmniGraffle professional…
That only leaves MS-Access
The last time I made any “formulas” .. it was powdered, and came in a cardboard cannister !
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Guess I am finally uninstalling mdn. The half cocked ignorant and immature comments on anything that doesn’t come directly from Apple has finally worn me out. I’ll go elsewhere for my “news”.
@priceagain
You can get the iWork tools for under $10 each on the iPad and better yet, be virus free, worm free, malware free and bullshit free.
Seriously, until there is a real alternative to MS Access and its use of VBA, I will NEED Micro$oft…I feel so dirty…
Anyone who gives Microsoft money for Office after such prolonged mistreatment, not to mention public ridicule from Microsoft’s CEO (please see: After attempting to belittle Mac users, Microsoft tries to sell them Office 2008 with free trial), is AN IDIOT.
Think of how much Mac software or how many Apps you could buy with that money which would give a user multiple times the value and productivity of Office.
MDN its it on the head spot on with their take.
I need matrix and linear algebra functions in Numbers, and/or help convincing my peers that Octave is a better tool than Excel for such things. Until then, I’m stuck dealing with Excel (but not paying through the nose for the privilege; still using the Office v.X version that I bought with my first PowerBook back in 2003).
MDN MW “off”, as in which direction Microsoft can sod with their upgrade treadmill.
@Andreeccm
Wow it took this benign article to convince you to leave?
Anyway, I’m not an MS fan, or their products, but if allowing parity with the Windows version helps people switch then I’m all for it.
MS sees the writing on the wall and are trying to position themselves as software suppliers for the future.
@andreeccm
I hear ya…it can become a bit annoying..but facts are facts..
Have you USED Microsoft Word on the Mac?
It may be the single most annoying piece of software ever written. I use a $4000 Mac Workstation and Word takes forever to start up, must be open since it won’t let you copy something from the buffer into a document without first being open, and is largely unintuitive and hard to use.
Invariably if I want to get something actually DONE I use Pages or Keynote and not Word or Powerpoint…both of which just seem like software from 1998.
But the fanboyism can be hard to put up with…I understand.
When something is truly better is gets approval. Simple as that.
For the record, I recommended LaTex for Equation editing in Keynote…it’s not an Apple product.
Price again:
Anyone with your feelings of entitlement probably values their time and effort accordingly right?
Can you come be a janitor here for a generous $2 an hour ?
WIll consider pricing again…@$1 an hour if you do overtime.
Another reason us “dim-witted IT doofuses” use Office is that we can’t get around it.
If you think you can walk into a a law office and swap out word for something like Pages, you’re an inexperienced dolt.
In many businesses there are extremely complex documents, formatted in the night by fastidious elves making use of every hidden feature of MS Word. These documents get e-mailed around from company to company.
WORD is as entrenched in the Enterprise as Manila Envelope. It ain’t goin nowhere.
MDN’s take on it is at best naive.
Time to haul down the white flag, Lotus. The OS Wars are resuming, and with the iPad a hole on the enterprise market is opening up, and you have a kickass spreadsheet program called Improv that was developed for OS X when it was called NeXT to headline a revamped 1-2-3 Touch. Steve Jobs was a big cheerleader for Improv. Do it, time for a little revenge on M$.
@PR – I don’t think that’s the kind of formula Sam is talking about. When you mention “cells” you’re talking about a formula in a spreadhseet, where you’re taking numbers in other cells and performing some arithmetic computation on them to get a result for the cell you’re in.
What I think Sam is talking about is “Equation Editor”, something that would allow one to
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TheloniusMac is absolutely correct. Microsoft’s strategy was always to stake out a territory and get so entrenched it would be impossible to supplant them.
So absolutely, the people who have Word will keep using it. BUT
and this is useful to understand I think. Microsoft has a long history of totally missing paradigm shifts. They completely misunderstood the internet, don’t really get (still!) gaming (xbox is a steaming pile of junk), and never really figured out how tablet computing would work. They never understood SEARCH for god’s sake.
They don’t grasp ease of use (Bob was a legendary disaster), and have protected their turf (and profits) through licensing and increasing complexity. That road has to end somewhere. The trend is not toward “harder to use” anymore. As the technologies move forward they will get easier, more “self repairing” (really…they will), and be open and more interchangeable.
@PR
thanks for the links !
actually, the one for Keynote might be useful, I will try that out although I do not like LaTex.
the one for Pages seems to be for doing numerical calculations, which is not what I need. I need printed formulas.
I wonder why Apple does not simply offer a formula editor like the one they already have in Grapher. That one already covers 95% of my needs.
@Mormegil
I don’t know Visio, but I know I have no use fot Project or Access.
@ SamLowry: You can get MathType, which fortunately integrates with all iWork apps (not to mention rotten ol’ M$ apps).
@Rhinehard,
Yes I get what you are saying…This might help then.
http://news.dessci.com/2009/01/apple-picks-mathtype-as-the-equation-editor-for-iwork-09.html
http://dessci.com/en/support/mathtype/workswith/iwork.htm
@ Rheinhard
yep, you got me. OK, next time I say “equation editor”.
For a lot of companies, Office will always be used because Excel blows anything else out of the water. There is just so much you can do with it that cannot be done with Numbers or OpenOffice etc. Numbers is great for the home user who just needs simple, presentable spreadsheeting.
I really hope Office 2011 for Mac will have the capability to run macros. 2008 was a joke, a big step back from 2003, in typical Microsoft fashion.