“Here’s a great idea to put to your CIO: Why not run the company using a server operating system made by Mattel? It’s the company behind Barbie and Hot Wheels (not to mention Tumblin’ Monkeys), so it certainly knows a thing or two about toys. Maybe its designers have enough time to put together an enterprise OS,” Paul Rubens opines for ServerWatch.
“Yeah, right,” Rubens writes. “The idea is plain ridiculous, but is it any more ridiculous than using Apple’s OS X Server or letting end users work on Macs in the enterprise?”
“Because the truth is, Apple is not really a computer company. It makes toys. It used to be a computer company called Apple Computer, but it dropped the “Computer” bit from its name in January 2007 as a tacit admission that it was now a consumer gadget maker, not to mention an online music retailer. Following the introduction of the iPhone and iPod Touch, two very pretty ‘boy’s toys,’ the company’s latest caper is the launch of its App Store,” Rubens writes.
Rubens explains, “The top-selling applications as I write are Band, Crash Bandicoot and Super Monkey Ball, which sounds uncomfortably similar — in name at least — to the aforementioned and very wonderful Tumblin’ Monkeys.”
“So why shouldn’t enterprises take Apple seriously? Here’s the problem: It can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. Microsoft is huge, and it is quite capable of doing more than one thing at a time,” Rubens explains. “During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
Full article, Think Before You Click™, here.
MacDailyNews Take: Besides being a hit-whore of the worst variety, this ignoramus is an amalgam of just about every anti-Apple, know-nothing, world-has-passed-him-by, should’ve-retired-long-ago IT doofus in the world today.
Apple’s current Mac OS X Server v10.5 is built on a fully compliant UNIX foundation. This battle-tested core provides stability, performance, and security for the enterprise. And full UNIX conformance ensures compatibility with existing server and application software. Apple’s extremely cost-effective Mac OS X Server is actually the ideal platform for deploying enterprise applications and services, Paul.
Apple’s Xserve features a fast 1600MHz system bus and 800MHz memory, resulting in higher memory bandwidth. Xserve provides up to 8-core processing power, 3TB of internal storage, and 32GB of 800MHz memory. Find out more about Apple’s Xserve here. There’s nothing toylike about it.
For business-critical server deployments, Apple’s upcoming Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server will soon add read and write support for the high-performance, 128-bit ZFS file system, which includes advanced features such as storage pooling, data redundancy, automatic error correction, dynamic volume expansion, and snapshots. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Microsoft to offer a comparable file system, Paul. On second thought, do.
Contact: Jupitermedia, publisher of ServerWatch via: http://feedback.jupiterweb.com/weblog.html
We’ll leave the Nurse Nancy jokes for you, dear readers.
I love this excert from Joe Wilcox…
Windows People are too stupid to see how great Windows Vista is
1. Microsoft treats its customers like they’re stupid. I’ve had this complaint for a decade. Wizards perhaps best personify the attitude. Microsoft compels customers to go through long and unnecessary step-by-step processes to set up something. It’s click, click, click, click, click, click, click, where one or two clicks should be enough. The iPod model is an example of the right approach. The end user plugs in the device and it begins loading music.
Microsoft takes an infantile approach, of holding the end user’s hands, like a parent with a child learning to walk. But Microsoft doesn’t let go—doesn’t let Windows users grow up. Microsoft’s handholding holds them down.
The marketing campaign presumes that people are too stupid to see how great is Windows Vista.
Joe, an admitted Microsoft kool-aid drinker has confessed. lol
@@Stupid Fanboys
You speak of Windows as though there were only one version. I was, of course, speaking of XP 32-bit. You know, the same version you use? The one that 3 out of 4 people in the PC-using world use? The target audience of Mohave? Ring a bell?
I am continually amazed at how some Windows users hang out in a Mac news forum defending the very company who has a very low opinion of its customer base. Can you say Stockholm Syndrome?
Training for trolls.
How to research the XServe in the enterprise:
1) Google ‘XServer enterprise’
2) Click and read.
Example, a review of last year’s XServe by InfoWorld:
Apple Xserve: The final review
http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2006/11/apple_xserve_th.html
Quotes:
“As usual, Apple knows something that its competitors don’t.”
“Apple is going to sell complete server platforms that buyers purchase, operate themselves and actually own. Seriously.”
“…meets the requirements of mid-level server buyers. In durability, serviceability, manageability and availability, Xserve more readily finds rivals among UNIX RISC servers than commodity Intel x86 systems.”
“Freed from the never-ending spending of Windows and the do-it-yourself shipbuilding of Linux, every single buyer of Xserve will end up doing more with Apple’s server than they had in mind when they bought it.”
“Xserve is uniquely easy to deploy and manage on its own or as part of an established heterogeneous network of systems, and yet it is not dumbed-down in the least.”
“Unlike other Intel OEMs’ boxes, Xserve ships from Apple as a complete server platform, not as a computer.”
“…nearly all of the non-user-facing pieces of OS X Server are available as Apple-supported open source published as Apple’s Darwin project.”
“…the sum of Xserve’s flaws is overwhelmed by the system’s unique leading-edge, user and administrator-centric engineering. Xserve is far better than the commodity server that the Intel x86 market expects. But what really blasts Apple’s competition is OS X Server. The present Tiger (10.4) release is more than a match for much more expensive commercial Linux, and far more capable out of the box than Windows 2003 Server.”
Fascinating Jim.
“…OS X Server Leopard (10.5) will transform Apple’s already industry-leading Xserve, including the model reviewed here, into an unimaginably feature-rich native 64-bit server platform. And guess what? When you buy it, you’re done paying for it, and all of the services you have to buy, build or rent with Windows, Linux or pay-as-you-go service outsourcing, are installed on every Xserve’s boot drive. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer Xserve’s buy once, run forever approach.”
So much for the ‘@Stupid Fanboys’ trolls of this world.
The problem with trolling for a reaction is that you can forget exactly what argument you’re trying to make.
It’s all very well talking about how Apple’s Xserve isn’t ready for the enterprise and how Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Edition 64-bit (extra cost by the way) can support 128GB of RAM, but it ignores a simple reality, which is that most companies are not massive corporate monoliths.
The average business in the UK is around 17 seats and, in the USA, it’s about 32 seats. Only a tiny percentage of companies exist in that rarefied world of several thousand employees: in fact, according to 2004 data from the Census Bureau, only 3,500 businesses employ more than 2,500 people and less than 900 companies employ more than 10,000 people.
Of course, those 3,500 businesses employ 42.8 million people which is over 37% of the workforce included in the survey which is a significant chunk of people. But just under 51% of the workforce included in the survey (58.597 million out of 115.07 million) are employed in the 5.066 million companies with less than 499 employees.
Breaking it down even further (to less than 99 employees), 41.84 million people (over 36% of the workforce) are employed by 4.98 million companies (over 80% of the companies): every single one of those companies is a viable target for an Xserve.
“Training for trolls.”
A 2 year old blog from a fanboy, is that the best supporting information you have? How’s enterprise uptake of the Xserve been in the 2 years since he wrote that?
Nothing there states it’s an enterprise grade server. It all goes to the point that it’s a small business or departmental server. Nobody suggests that an entry level Intel or RISC server is enterprise grade either, and the XServe is certainly in that entry level category.
contd…
In economically challenging times, an Xserve makes perfect sense:
• it doesn’t cost any more than the competitive 1U Harpertown servers from Dell or HP (in fact, it can cost a hell of a lot less).
• it doesn’t require an extensive configuration consultancy
• given the late shipment of SBS2008, a Windows user-site would currently be committing to SBS2003 R2 (which is a dead-end product that can only support 4GB of RAM) in order to get access to Microsoft’s Exchange platform. Then they’d have to migrate to 2008 and 64-bit with additional cost and risk.
Or they could implement OS X Server and Kerio Mailserver (even the most ardent fanboy should admit that the inbuilt mail in OS X Server isn’t ready for prime-time): of course, Kerio costs a mere fraction of what Exchange does so you’d still be quids in.
• Then again, you may want to ignore Exchange and implement Kerio under Windows Server; but then you have to pay for something called Windows client access licenses. On an Xserve, you get unlimited CALs included with the box.
• You can run any of your Windows-only line-of-business applications – which may require access to a non-Mac database like Pervasive or SQL Server – in virtual Windows environment on an Xserve.
• The sole version of OS X Server will recognise all of the RAM you put in the machine. Whereas – if you want to use more than 16GB of RAM in a Windows Server – you have to pay a tax to Microsoft.
• Of course, as a small-business owner and upstanding member of the community, you may want to keep your local Windows reseller and support provider in business. I really admire people who think of others. And I’m sure that your employees will think exactly the same way when their next pay review comes round or when you have start handing out pink-slips.
@Braindead Troll…
http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A;=/article/08/05/06/19TC-apple-xserve_1.html
http://hardware.silicon.com/desktops/0,39024645,39167796,00.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=312300
Tell me – with regards to the last story – which one of your chums in the Windoze Death Cult do you think sent the anonymous death threat? I know you don’t like leaving your real name on anything, so maybe it was you. And you have the nerve to talk about “fanbois”.
You know, reading this article just gets me irate! I am having a difficult time getting my IT department to let me use an iPhone for Exchange, because “it’s probably not safe….” Yet, I use a Mac to access VPN services.
I had to do a filming the other day and ran into the videographer who told me that he had to upload the movie and that it would take a long time to edit this. He is also an IT guy, doubling in our great company. I asked him this pointed question:
“So, are you guys using a Mac?”
Answer, from both him and his IT associate,
“No, but *** I really wish we did!”
And he wasn’t just talking about videography. He went on to describe a list of things that just irked him about Windows. Both have used High End Mac Servers in the past and both prefer Unix over Windows. But both would never admit this in public.
Go Figure!
@Stupid Fanboys,
“32 bit software runs on 64 bit Windows. it’s 32 bit drivers that don’t. So you can find all the software you need in any computer store, Einstein.”
So what do you consider a driver to be shithead? It sure ain’t hardware. It’s part of the application, and if it doesn’t work then the application doesn’t work.
If you kept up on this issue you would realize that the experts recommend that people stay away from 64 bit Windows unless they have an absolute need to run it.
The majority of existing software for Windows is not totally compatible.
Hell, even running 32 bit Windows, if you put in 4 GB of RAM it usually only gives you 3 GB free. Lovely.
My feedback:
“This article is unbelievably biased and essentially devoid of journalistic merit. The author utilizes one incident of Apple temporarily borrowing MacOS X programming talent from another division in the company (which resulted in a highly successful, on-time iPhone product launch) and blows it wildly out of proportion.
In addition, it was specious and self-serving blather to to further denigrate Apple Inc. by calling the iPhone and its other products ‘toys.’ Lest is slipped the author’s mind, Microsoft has spent considerable resources unsuccessfully attempting to duplicate Apple’s iPod with the Zune. And Windows Mobile, despite a substantial advantage in terms of development time, looks weak against MacOS X deployed on the iPod and iPhone. MacOS X has rapidly evolved since its initial release, both its powerful consumer version and its server version. The server version of MacOS X is being gradually enhanced to incorporate more powerful enterprise tools, and any advantages that might remain to Microsoft are tenuous, at best.
If Microsoft is so successful, then why did it take seven years and massive feature cutbacks to produce Vista? Why is the Zune a failure? Why is the iPhone growing so rapidly at the expense of Windows Mobile devices?
I don’t get paid to write articles. But I could do a much better job than Paul Rubens without expending much effort. Please accept my condolences for the expiration of your journalistic integrity.”
and millions and millions of consumers keep their computer because of MS Word, Paint, and Calculator??? Ask anybody why they use a PC and the answer is gonna be more GAMES AND APPS.
” Ask anybody why they use a PC and the answer is gonna be more GAMES AND APPS.”
I agree. There is no finer platform for Solitaire and Notepad.
Well, Mr. Rubens, MS has a wonderful marketing machine.
They do a Cadillac job of marketing Yugos. Also, corporate IT has a huge vested self-interest to keep insecure systems alive. WIndows is IT’s job security. Period.
Rubens should say corporate IT can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
Instead, he’s telling us he fantasizes Windows Server as better than Solaris, Linux, Unix, BSD, Free-BSD and Mac OS X, the latter being the beneficiary and extender of all it’s ancestors?
He obviously knows nothing about the Unix world and how it howls over the toys in Windows Server, which is insecure by lack of design.
If he actually believes what he writes, Ruben is an ignorant poser. Otherwise he’s a paid hack for Microsoft. Over the past several years the quality of ServerWatch has been sinking, as they appear to slant their reviews toward their advantage advertisers.
Oh, this seems a little harsh. Well, I have worked with Windows and Macintosh for more than 20 years. Windows makes me more money. Macintosh is better for my customers.
“It’s part of the application, and if it doesn’t work then the application doesn’t work.”
Keep digging Dumbass. Keep showing your ignorance. Applications don’t include drivers. Drivers interface between the OS and the hardware.
Caveat: In rare instances some applications bundle drivers for specific hardware or other purposes, but the vast majority don’t.
And as for MCCFR, you seem to be making the argument that an XServe makes a good entry level or small business server. Who do you see disagreeing with you? But lets face it, if you’re an enterprise choosing Unix based servers, you’re going to be going with tried and true and battle hardened Unix and Linux vendors, not a vendor who mostly focuses on their Unix being good and stable enough for home users and can’t get a service person to your facility within one hour at 4am in the morning on christmas day to save themselves. It’s a different game and different set of expectations to the small implementations you seem to be used to.
“Never argue with a crazy mind.”
But I do enjoy trampling trolls.
@Stupid Fanboys makes me laugh:
“A 2 year old blog from a fanboy.”
InfoWorld! A ‘fanboy’! HAHAHAHAHA!
“… is that the best supporting information you have?”
This zero hero can’t Google for itself apparently. Figures.
“How’s enterprise uptake of the Xserve been in the 2 years since he wrote that?”
I don’t know. Look it up lazy.
“Nothing there states it’s an enterprise grade server.”
Seeing as you didn’t read my post, go bite yourself, useless sadist. (Hint to those who care: The InfoWorld column is called “Enterprise Mac”. Heehee!)
“It all goes to the point that it’s a small business or departmental server. Nobody suggests that an entry level Intel or RISC server is enterprise grade either, and the XServe is certainly in that entry level category.”
Our dummy here didn’t read this:
” “…meets the requirements of mid-level server buyers. In durability, serviceability, manageability and availability, Xserve more readily finds rivals among UNIX RISC servers than commodity Intel x86 systems.” “
Trolls are such a waste of time. Gerbils, I mean Goebbels, from the Nazi scum 3rd Reich was just the same: Lie enough, speak from a position of ignorance with force and endurance and people will eventually think you’re actually human, have a brain, and know something you’re talking about.
Sad little trolls.
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@Stupid Fanboys,
“Keep digging Dumbass. Keep showing your ignorance. Applications don’t include drivers. Drivers interface between the OS and the hardware.”
You are right, of course, and I stand corrected. That was a stupid mistake and I do know better.
Anyway, my point was that not all 32 bit software will run correctly on 64 bit Windows. From MicroSoft:
“Many programs designed for a computer running a 32-bit version of Windows will work on a computer running 64-bit versions of Windows without any changes. However, in some cases there might be differences in performance. If a 32-bit program uses embedded drivers, the drivers might not work in the 64-bit environment. If you have a 64-bit computer, it’s best to run programs designed to run on a 64-bit computer.”
“Programs running on 64-bit versions of Windows Vista perform better if both hardware drivers and 64-bit programs are available.”
“Additionally, some 32-bit programs might use embedded 32-bit drivers, which might make the programs work improperly.”
“”How’s enterprise uptake of the Xserve been in the 2 years since he wrote that?”
I don’t know. Look it up lazy.”
Well at least you’re prepared to admit you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
“” “…meets the requirements of mid-level server buyers. In durability, serviceability, manageability and availability, Xserve more readily finds rivals among UNIX RISC servers than commodity Intel x86 systems.” “”
Again written in their OPINION Section by a Mac Fanboy. Just because one Mac fanboy writes something doesn’t make it so.
Anyway seems like he’s moved on to writing iPhone unboxing articles. What does that tell you about his credentials?
“You are right, of course, and I stand corrected. That was a stupid mistake and I do know better. “
Not possible. Nobody who did know better would write such a sentence in the first place. I presume you have now educated yourself on what a driver is.
“From MicroSoft:”
That’s the one rare instance I was talking about. How many programs to you know that use embedded drivers? Also they’re saying you’re be better to run native 64 bit apps if they exist, fine, although you probably also know that 64 bit apps are not automatically better. if you don’t actually need the extra address space they can be slower.
@Stupid Fanboys
You don’t have a 64-bit computer and you don’t know anyone who does, except us!
You have ZERO hands-on experience with the servers you’re talking about!
You don’t even work for a company who needs the kind of servers of which you speak!
I’ll wager you have a plain vanilla, no-name brand computer running XP (32-bit). Your a grown man and still living at home with your mom because your dad beats the piss out of you when he’s drunk. You’re full of piss and vinegar because you haven’t been laid in months and you’re taking it out in a Mac news forum.
So I ask, what the fuck are you doing?
Your outnumbered like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. Loser.
@Stupid Fanboys,
“Not possible. Nobody who did know better would write such a sentence in the first place. I presume you have now educated yourself on what a driver is.”
I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I do try to admit when I am wrong or have made a mistake. Thanks for your mature rebuttal. I see you have taken the highest road possible for someone of your integrity.
Regardless of the point of whether I am technologically ignorant or not, you seem to be avoiding the fact that you were wrong in the first place. You are simply using my mistake as a smoke screen to hide your own error.
Feel free to bask in the glow of your imagined superiority.
I would venture to guess it is about the only thing you have to brighten your dreary little life. Have a nice day.
“You are simply using my mistake as a smoke screen to hide your own error.”
What error would that be? That 32 bit software runs on 64 bit Windows? As you now know, that’s actually not an error.
Poor G4Dualie, don’t assume everyone shares your life story. Sounds like it’s sad to be you.
holy shizznit
this post is outa hand
where did all these these loser trrrolls come from?
must be real boring on the ms side of things i guess
‘sucks to be you right now’…
all i can say is
the emperor wears no clothes.
oh
and
faaaackooorrrf
Only butt-slamming snoot-snout spelunking faggots use the word fanboy.
Fanboy, fanboy, fanboy, fanboy! Oh that feels so good!
@Sir Gill Bates
You know, if @Stupid Fanboys hadn’t shown up when she did this thread would have tanked after the first page.
Personally, I hope @Stupid Fanboys registers his name and continues to enlighten us all with his charm and wit. I mean because, let’s face it quotes like the following will become historic…
“Only butt-slamming snoot-snout spelunking faggots use the word fanboy.” —@Stupid Fanboys August 5, 2008 12:17am