“Here’s a great idea to put to your CIO: Why not run the company using a server operating system made by Mattel? It’s the company behind Barbie and Hot Wheels (not to mention Tumblin’ Monkeys), so it certainly knows a thing or two about toys. Maybe its designers have enough time to put together an enterprise OS,” Paul Rubens opines for ServerWatch.
“Yeah, right,” Rubens writes. “The idea is plain ridiculous, but is it any more ridiculous than using Apple’s OS X Server or letting end users work on Macs in the enterprise?”
“Because the truth is, Apple is not really a computer company. It makes toys. It used to be a computer company called Apple Computer, but it dropped the “Computer” bit from its name in January 2007 as a tacit admission that it was now a consumer gadget maker, not to mention an online music retailer. Following the introduction of the iPhone and iPod Touch, two very pretty ‘boy’s toys,’ the company’s latest caper is the launch of its App Store,” Rubens writes.
Rubens explains, “The top-selling applications as I write are Band, Crash Bandicoot and Super Monkey Ball, which sounds uncomfortably similar — in name at least — to the aforementioned and very wonderful Tumblin’ Monkeys.”
“So why shouldn’t enterprises take Apple seriously? Here’s the problem: It can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. Microsoft is huge, and it is quite capable of doing more than one thing at a time,” Rubens explains. “During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
Full article, Think Before You Click™, here.
MacDailyNews Take: Besides being a hit-whore of the worst variety, this ignoramus is an amalgam of just about every anti-Apple, know-nothing, world-has-passed-him-by, should’ve-retired-long-ago IT doofus in the world today.
Apple’s current Mac OS X Server v10.5 is built on a fully compliant UNIX foundation. This battle-tested core provides stability, performance, and security for the enterprise. And full UNIX conformance ensures compatibility with existing server and application software. Apple’s extremely cost-effective Mac OS X Server is actually the ideal platform for deploying enterprise applications and services, Paul.
Apple’s Xserve features a fast 1600MHz system bus and 800MHz memory, resulting in higher memory bandwidth. Xserve provides up to 8-core processing power, 3TB of internal storage, and 32GB of 800MHz memory. Find out more about Apple’s Xserve here. There’s nothing toylike about it.
For business-critical server deployments, Apple’s upcoming Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server will soon add read and write support for the high-performance, 128-bit ZFS file system, which includes advanced features such as storage pooling, data redundancy, automatic error correction, dynamic volume expansion, and snapshots. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Microsoft to offer a comparable file system, Paul. On second thought, do.
Contact: Jupitermedia, publisher of ServerWatch via: http://feedback.jupiterweb.com/weblog.html
We’ll leave the Nurse Nancy jokes for you, dear readers.
Wow, it’s amazing the dumb and twisted ideas that get lodged in these people’s brains. Amazingly ignorant!
They’re quoting a nube, who thinks he’s an IT guy?
Apple was making computers suitable for a middle-manager’s home office before IBM did, and has been writing operating systems longer than icrosoft has.
I thought this was a joke article. Not to be taken seriously. Wow.
Since when is Pee-wee Herman in the computer criticism business? And why doesn’t he like toys all of a sudden??
Oh wait, that’s a different Paul Reubens. Nevermind.
he’s just worried about job security.
And it’s funny that MS worked on all of those at the same time, and they’re all horrible. Maybe not _all_ of them (Windows Server 2008 isn’t 100% dog), but most of them. So… what was that point again?!
Paul Rubens = Windoze IT dinosaur & FUD-meister.
MaWo: ‘anyone’. As in, “Anyone that believes his crap deserves what they get.”
So Apple is a toy maker, eh? How does Mr ‘expert’ explain Windows’s obsession with cornering that vital computer game market then? Does Photoshop qualify too? What about MS Paint? Hell, there’s even Minesweeper and Solitaire! (And on a Windows ME computer I used to have, some pinball wizard game)…
And by the tone of the article, he probably wants hoards of angry emails to not only inflate his ego, but provide more clueless ranting material about Apple users being cultists and the like.
At the end of the day, it’s his loss. If he wants to live in hell, let him be.
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I didn’t know Pee Wee Herman changed careers.
‘Nuff Said.
“Apple Computer … dropped the ‘Computer’ bit from its name in January 2007 as a tacit admission that it was now a consumer gadget maker.”
As opposed to Microsoft Computer Corporation?
“During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
Hmm.. so let’s see.. 2 failures, and a bare-bones virtualization environment. Yeah, ok…. This guy needs a dose of reality
Since when did PeeWee get into IT?
funny but I worked in IT for a large enterprise for a number of years and Macs were used there with no issues. And according to people still there, the number is increasing substantially.
Wow. And who is this “expert” or “Journalist” they have writing for them?
Wow, a village has lots its idiot, and we’ve found him.
Does he make any substantive claims or is it all about gibberish like since iPhone users like to buy Crash Bandicoot, the iPhone is not enterprise-ready? Does he even realize that virtually all business PCs have had solitaire loaded on to them at one time or other? Does that make them silly game devices?
Do you know how many people at my mud brick company still carry around PC laptops?
You could probably drown them all in a bathtub. Almost everyone has a MacBook. It’s unreal.
Hmmm… I kinda like the idea of Apple being a toy maker.
Why is it that every sentence I read written by Paul Rubens, I hear Derek Zoolander’s voice???
hahahahahahahaaaaa…
MaWo: ‘away’. As in, where Paul should go.
I think this guy must have tutored my IT dept. I endured years of petty obstruction, before they finally realised they weren’t going to beat me into submission, and grasped the idea that the company wouldn’t collapse if they allowed a Mac on the network. And every day, I still observe the hidden costs of my colleagues struggling to achieve simple tasks on their Windoze PCs that are a breeze on my Mac.
Microsoft walking and chewing gum at the same time.
So THAT’S the problem with Vista! Too much gum chewing. Nothing a half billion propaganda campaign won’t fix. That’ll do it.
More flop sweat from the Microshaft Mediocrity Cult. The more Balmer’s toadies puff, the more pathetic they look.
I hjave used OS X Server in my company and I hardly ever went down to computer room, a.k.a. freezer, my Win peers were there constantly.
So… Apple’s computers shouldn’t be used in IT departments because the company is successful doing other things. I see. People are abandoning Windows and switching to Macs because…?
This shit is so funny, this guy is not talking serious, is it? UNIX a toy OS? or this guy is a complete ignorant o he is just joking.
M$ sells Zune and Xbox, are those not toys? And they don’t have Computer in their name either.
“Because the truth is, Apple is not really a computer company. It makes toys.
No Paul, the truth is you are a prehistoric ignoramus that knows nothing about what Apple makes apparently! Companies like Genentech have been using OSX and Mac computers for years. The scientists actually prefer Macs over PC’s.
The only toy out there is you Paul!
As the public becomes more aware of what using a Mac is really like, two things are happening; people realize how deficient Windows is, and these Microsoft shills quickly lose any credibility they might have had, until they are simply written off as mindless loonies shouting at mailboxes.
What the hell! So the XBox is sold by who?
I’ll bet Rubens and Enderle are playing Twister right now.
Both are using the old 69 move.
Last time I checked, Microsoft was also heavily invested in making “boys toys”…maybe the author never heard of the XBox?
“During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
So, since Vista has been a disappointment, and Zune has been a screaming brown failure, I have just one question:
Is it true that when you were born, the doctor turned around and slapped your mother?
Seriously. I want to know, Paul. If you can tear yourself away from WoW and cheese doodles for a minute, could you email me? kthxbai.
This Rubens goober anticipated the Microsoft’s Zune toy with the ultrasophisticated argument that, “Microsoft can walk and chew gum at the same time”.
Lol!
During the past two years, Apple worked on the iPod, iPhone, Macbook, iMac, Mac mini, TV, Airport Extreme, Airport Express, XServ, OS X Leopard, iLife, iWork, iTunes, App Store, and probably some other things I forgot…ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
Heh – he mentioned Zune as if it was a success. Lessee – what is the date today? Ahhhh – the checks from Redmond must have arrived. If this guy wasn’t writing these wonderful articles he would be saying “did you want to super-size those fries?”
Holy shit, did you see this assholes picture.
It looks like one of those pedophile mug shots on the evening news.
Hello? The 90’s called, they want that attitude back.
This is an outrage!
Paul Rubens is not an idiot, ignoramus, stupid, or a tech dinosaur.
Paul Rubens simply knows which side of his bread the butter is on.
Like so many others, he’ll lie, fabricate, obfuscate and spread FUD, until, like the mouldy bread crusts thrown from the King’s kitchen to the muck-clawing peasants, the last Microsoft dollar has been tossed his way.
WRONG!
Apple is a toy machine, no doubt.
I love the rock hard stability of the core kernel, don’t get me wrong but…
you know it is just not that zippy. I can feel the eye candy weighing some functions down. I wish I could just turn some shit off sometimes. I wish I could do things with my Apple equipment that they did not intend or design.
Apple loves control and they want to weird you down their path of enlightened operation. Sometimes, most times, I am in lock step–like its a no-brainier, DUH! but often I feel like—“this is my computer you arrogant fucks! Let me do what I want.”
However, Windows just plain sucks, so what are you gonna do?
“Microsoft is huge, and it is quite capable of doing more than one thing at a time,”
FAIL. Walking and chewing gum are TWO separate things
That’s f*cking scary.
And it’s why we have the battles we have with “IT”
There are so many of those knob-sucking MS pussies, that nothing gets done in corporate America, unless you work at Apple, Google, etc.
ChrissyOne,
“If you can tear yourself away from WoW and cheese doodles …”
I peg this guy for a Sims player who eats boogers. Probably gets off exposing himself to cartoon characters. Freakin’ deviant.
So Paul “started his IT career sitting in front of a PDP-11 in 1979”, if his bio is to be believed. Too bad he hasn’t learned anything in 29 years.
I started my It career sitting in front of an IBM 1620 in 1966. One thing I’ve learned in 42 years is that Unix is not bullet proof, but nuclear war proof, when configured properly. OS X is not similar to Unix, not a stripped down version of Unix, but a full, industrial strength, rock solid, POSIX compliant, certified version of Unix with the world’s most advanced and intuitive GUI riveted on top of it. It can be configured to run your wrist watch or a steel mill.
Windows is an overblown toy OS, an expansion of DOS, which was written when the average consumer PC was incapable of running Unix. Over the years it’s been remodeled, patched, and glued together in ever increasingly complex, Rube Goldberg fashion, until today, I suspect that NOBODY at Microsoft really understands how it’s supposed to work anymore.
I have investigated on my own every major security breach, like credit card number theft that’s happened in the last 5 years, and at the root of every one is a Microsoft server system, often running an IE web app for user connectivity. How insane is that?!!!
Microsoft is the past. Apple is the future in IT, as well as gaming, and entertainment.
@ Sir Gill Bates
Someone ought to get him a more prominent MS ‘evangelist’ spot, then. Imagine his mugshot all over MS products! Along with Ballmer, he’ll take MS into brave new lows!
@ Zeke:
I Command-C and Command-V your post!
@CCAP1:
“I love the rock hard stability of the core kernel, don’t get me wrong but…
you know it is just not that zippy. I can feel the eye candy weighing some functions down. I wish I could just turn some shit off sometimes. I wish I could do things with my Apple equipment that they did not intend or design.
Apple loves control and they want to weird you down their path of enlightened operation. Sometimes, most times, I am in lock step–like its a no-brainier, DUH! but often I feel like—“this is my computer you arrogant fucks! Let me do what I want.”
However, Windows just plain sucks, so what are you gonna do?”
How about you go buy a copy of “Unix for Dummies”, fire up “Terminal” on your Mac, log in as “root”, and hack away at your Mac OS all you want. Customize it to your heart’s content. It’s Unix, after all. You have access to just about every parameter and setting. Stay in Unix command line mode forever, if that floats your boat. Try getting that level of access to your Windows OS. Let me know how that works for ya.
Thank you, Mr. Rubens for courageously telling the truth. Read it and weep, MAC dorks. MACs are toys and shouldn’t be allowed inside the hallowed halls of business. Stick to what you’re good at: wasting time with that rock and roll music on your Zune wannabe I-Pods.
Avid Windows enthusiasts get it. I don’t know why you MAC lemmings don’t get it. Suck it, MAC dorks!
Your potential. Our passion.™
@ Sir Gill Bates
Careful. You’ll offend the deviants.
fuk dat man
I think it’s a mistake to analyze this guy’s logic. There are many, many people who amaze me with their factual or logical errors. But this guy knows better. He’s just trying to get hits.
I’m really sorry that getting hits is used to judge web sites and/or gain ad revenue. It rewards jerks for being jerks. The best way to hurt this guy is to ignore him.
“It makes toys.”
Way to blow your credibility right off the bat there, PeeWee!
@$$ munch!
@ ZT®
“1. Microsoft treats its customers like they’re stupid.”
Can you blame them?
“During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
1) The company I work for ain’t switching from XP to Vista any time soon, explanations VISTA IS A POS! Me thinks XP is a POS too
2) We were supposed to be switching over to Windows Server 2008, but we are not, why, because the POS is millions timers slower than Windows Server 2000 another POS from Microcrap
3) This asshole must go and hang himself a million times
4) Zune is a piece of shit
5) Fuck Microsoft and Balmer too, I will die and resurrect and die again before I buy their shitty products!
moron
ignorant
putts
@ Chrissy One
If he’s not careful, he’ll get cornered by them, then sighed and glared at, to death!
Not a good way to go, at all.
By the way, I take back what I said about Windows Server 2008 not being a 100% total dog. I was just trying to be nice. It’s the best (least-bad) product of those he mentioned though.
Finally making the jump to IT, due to the increased demand for Mac IT professionals. Very happy to finally have my first love also be a (very) marketable skill.
@ Andy
My flower-power beats their glower-power any day. ;P
How do these idiots get this crapola they spew out published?
It amazes me day after day..
I would hardly think that providing 3 men and a dog to devise the zune would be beyond even your average local market trader, which the ways things are going Steve Ballmer may soon be.
This guy must be Queensland Rail’s head of IT.
I fixed his typo:
“Here’s the problem: I can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.”
Not only is this idiot guy misinformed and ignorant to write this, but he is allowed to influence and reinforce the way of thinking for all the other misinformed, ignorant idiots.
The “candy” statement I heard over 12 years ago when I bought a pre-Gil Amelio Performa and later traded up to a 7500(which is still running, by the way).
After the looks of Vista, surely he can come up with a better word. After his talk about games, he can’t use that myth either…what has he got left?
One of the main arguments often used against Macs is that they don’t play games, yet because Super Monkey Ball is one of the most popular titles in a store aimed primarily at individuals for personal use, Apple aren’t a computer company!
Thank you, Mr. Rubens for courageously telling the the factual truth straight from MICROSOFT press machine-paid for by the Microsoft bank of fear.
Read it and weep, PC dorks. Because MICROSOFT is on the run with the total failure of VISTA and they are even counting XP under VISTA business license as a Vista sell. Apple is cracking the damn of MIGHTY MICROSOFT.
PCs are toys and shouldn’t be allowed inside the hallowed halls of business.
Stick to what you’re good at: wasting time with that rock and roll music on your iPod wannabe Zunes- Hell EVEN the MASCOT with his Zune tatoo has defected to hallowed halls of APPLE.
Avid Macintosh enthusiasts get it. I don’t know why you PC lemmings don’t get it. Suck it, PC dorks! Because the MICROSOFT money MACHINE is throwing money out to anyone that will tell the tale as Microsoft wants it. They are sailing in fear, fear and IT is the next to fall to the mighty iPhone, iPod, and Mac computer.
Your potential. Our Blunder.™
“Microsoft is huge, and it is quite capable of doing more than one thing at a time,” Rubens explains. “During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
Yeah, look how well they did on those! Still losers, every one.
Let me see, Apple’s UNIX is a toy. While Microsoft’s CP/M clone was still being written by a kid in college, UNIX was running some of the biggest business computers and defining what the enterprise was. Not to take anything from CP/M (I loved CP/M) but it was the OS for the toys.
Windows has come a long way, it is used in businesses all over and makes the computers as reliable as the toys that your two year old breaks daily. Unix has gotten better and even Linux (ubuntu at least) has now caught up to Windows for ease of use. Yet Windows still lacks many core security needed to work in the enterprise.
Apple has Joined the UNIX big iron crowd, and it is not ready for the enterprise. By that standard, Windows will soon be ready to run your child’s toys.
Some people are just too stupid to see logic, so let tem follow the lemmings off the cliff. Humm, that might make a good computer commercial ….
I have asked this question a hundred times, and nobody has answered it yet. The question is:
How does a complete idiot get a job writing “authoritative” articles for a mainstream publication?
ServerWatch may be a no-name hack job for all I know, but many sites that publish this kind of drivel belong to big media companies. Is it that these companies simply don’t care what they publish as long as people keep visiting their web sites?
“……Apple announced. “As a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned.”
That’s scary stuff and not what you want to hear from an OS developer.”
Wow so how does Paul feel about MS when they were working on Longhorn? I mean if we want to compare delays…..
Smart move on his part not to allow comments.
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@ Nickster
Leopard was delayed 4 months, and Longhorn was delayed 5 years. So Microsoft is therefore 15 times more scary than Apple.
Sounds about right to me.
That idiot sucking on Steve Ballmer’s tits is precisely the type of IT ignoramus that has made me embarrassed that I have been in IT for the last 20 years.
Who made Mr. Hamburger Man a CIO?
Geez, the PC people complain because Apple doesn’t have as many games and now that iPhone has games, they say it’s just a toy ’cause it has games. DUH!
Look, if you’re in IT and you can’t support Macs, then you are a lousy failure at your job. Period.
Somehow, many of us in the tech industry can manage to support multiple platforms every single day with no terrible meltdowns (other than the normal meltdowns, that is), so what the hell is your excuse?
I don’t get to tell my customers not to use Vista because I think it’s ‘ridiculous’. I have to learn the OS, and learn its issues, and do the bloody job I’m paid to do.
Why are you so bloody useless that you can’t figure out how to effectively use this Childlike, Fisher Price OS that you constantly bag on? Is it too complex for you? Really? You can hack the Registry, but you can’t understand OS X? How dumb are you, anyway?
I’m sick of your bullsh|t, you worthless hacks. You should be fired and barred from ever working in a technical capacity again.
OMG!!!! What ChrissyOne said! Yeah!
How fast will Apple be able to respond with patches if it’s too busy selling Super Monkey Ball?
Remix:
How fast will Microsoft be able tofix Vista if it’s too busy selling Marble Blast Ultra <http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/livearcadexbox360/?WT.svl=nav>? Last time I checked, Microsoft was busy losing 1 Billion dollars selling red-ringed game consoles.
Byline: “… Paul Rubens is an IT consultant and journalist based in Marlow on Thames, England. He has been programming, tinkering and generally sitting in front of computer screens since his first encounter with a DEC PDP-11 in 1979.”
“Tinkering” and “sitting in front of a computer”… and he says Apple makes boys toys and doesn’t belong in the enterprise space?
Uh, Paul… sounds like you don’t belong in the enterprise space. Outer space, maybe…
“”During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.””
wow, impressive.
and tell me, which one works?
oh wait, none of them do……
C1
“1. Microsoft treats its customers like they’re stupid.”
Can you blame them?
hey sometimes the truth hurts!
Wow, Apple’s advertising must really be working…
The main reason to use OS X server is to reduce the number of people like Paul Rubens that you need to employ.
-jcr
The LARGEST dollar volume in the computer (not console) games business is Windows. Based on the logic of the article, Windows is a toy and should never be used in a corporate environment.
Better logic; as the support man-hours per desktop is between 5 and 10 times higher for Windows machines than for OS X machines, CIOs should get rid of Windows (empirical data gleaned from over 262,000 desktop and servers that I have managed). The administration cost, measured in man-hours, of a Windows server over a OS X SERVER is almost 100 to 1.
I was taught, many years ago, that “In GOD we trust; all others bring data”. The data does not support the conclusions of the article, but we still publish this drivel. What a country!
@ John C. Randolph
Word.
Notice he left XBox 360 and Halo off of his list of Microsoft’s projects.
If you take a look around the site, internet.com, you can clearly see they are a pro-Microshaft website. This explains it. If a lot of their ad revenue came from Apple or they were visited by a lot of Mac users that article would have never been written.
I remain unconvinced that Apple is serious about moving into the enterprise. The iPhone/Exchange move is nice, but I’m not sure that’s not more about selling more iPhones than beginning to add some focus on the enterprise. Yes, Apple makes great operating system software and cool hardware to show it off, but I’ve heard little about Apple really attempting to sit down with companies and push its server technology with hands-on Apple support to work with the enterprise to support it.
Apple will certainly sell its OS and hardware to the enterprise, but back in the days when I was an IT manager, IBM was regularly proselytizing its stuff to us, as was Microsoft. Both regularly held seminars to show off what they could do for us, then assigned accounts managers to try to close the deal.
Can anyone here say if Apple is doing anything similar to show off its stuff to the enterprise? If it’s not, then the enterprise will never take it seriously.
But it’s ok to have “enterprise” software from a company that makes (or made) the following:
Xbox 360
Age of Empires video game
Halo video game
Zune
Microsoft Bob
MSN TV2
Home Media Server
Pot calling the kettle black?
Why? WHy? WHY?
I would really like to know why this article should be getting any coverage at all.
Best thing would be to pull it and shove it were the sun don’t shine.
Funny thing is, Apple has only posted (that I know of) one app on the App Store – the Remote.
The rest is just money in their coffers.
Let’s see…who’s stupid again?
Idiots.
Just idiots.
A bit of advice to this guy’s father.
NEXT TIME, PULL OUT EARLY !
Andy,
“Along with Ballmer, he’ll take MS into brave new lows!”
Yeah, a perfect pair. But CAN they go lower?
C1,
“Careful. You’ll offend the deviants.”
You’re right, and I apologize.
rasterbator,
“Tinkering” and “sitting in front of a computer”…”
That’s a misprint. It should read “Tinkling while sitting in front of a computer.” He’s also a bed wetter.
“Paul Rubens is an IT consultant and journalist based in Marlow on Thames, England”
That’s precisely where Toad of Toad Hall and Ratty live. Methinks Paul is a little water-logged from messing around in boats.
Plus Paul has too much ‘Wind in his Willows’.
OMG!
This explains it all!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reubens
Hmmm. Perhaps he called Apple for support on OS X Server as I did once. It was business hours in Australia, but there was only one Apple server guy on duty worldwide, and he didnt know anything beyond the GUI…
Unless Leopard server is vastly different from Tiger Server, it is still a toy. Mail is incredibly unreliable and the GUI loses the plot – requiring manual editing of the (very unfriendly) unix text configuration files.
Apple’s international support is woeful. To get english spelling on the iPhone I have to put up with the £ symbol instead of $, otherwise i get “z” instead of “s” in any words ending in “ise” – and there is seemingly no way to get australian english spelling in the iWork apps.
Still, perhaps one day…
Here’s hoping!
For the record before i start I use a mac I have supported networks with all platforms for years.
The problem with all of you posting except a couple is that you’re fan boys. Apple is going to start facing the same problems Microsoft has if they keep gaining market share.
You all point out things like security, usability, Vista sucks, and other non specific problems that you “experience”. I would like to hear a real IT guy give me an examples.
@ applelove:
Yeah, I have black friends too.
So?
Wake up.
It doesn’t take a “fanboy” (typical loser comeback) to see what a mess your WinFanBoy world is.
Just leave us alone please?
I don’t care if you use a Mac.
If you’re really an IT pro then you know what’s wrong.
You’re a troll.
Ba-bye.
This is what happens when they let Pee Wee write with his willy.
And- the Mac OS Server is the only major system without a major DNS flaw patched. That’s an important feature.
Fanboi sh*t aside, Apple has been dropping the ball as it continues to be distracted releasing beta software upon the public for all of it’s new toys.
OS X should be a stable and mature OS by now and it isn’t. Some of that $ 20 Billion cash pile should be used to hire software engineers to close up the security holes, fix the bugs and deliver upon the promises of OS X.
@Dave Marsh
My god dave, until Apple starts making declarative statements about moving into the enterprise space you and Rubens can relax. You will find Apple in education and small business but, there is still an obscene amount of money to be made in the consumer space. I can think of a handful of products that have yet to find their way into my home.
When Apple does decide to move into mainstream enterprise we’ll see employment announcements from its sales division and other sectors of Apple along with ad space in the trade publications.
@MDN Take,
“OS X should be a stable and mature OS by now and it isn’t.”
So what Dell model are you using, bud?
“1. Microsoft treats its customers like they’re stupid.”
Can you blame them? —ChrissyOne
Absolutely right. Only stupid people keep buying the same old crap year after year and decade after decade, whether it works properly or not, when there is clearly a better alternative. When Honda and Toyota began importing their obviously superior cars to the U.S., even the lowly American consumer was smart enough to catch on eventually. Today the Japanese automakers rule the game, while GM, Ford and Chrysler are holding on for dear life. The same will happen with Apple and Microsoft eventually. Meanwhile, most people are really stupid, sad to say.
I guess this dude doesn’t know that at the end of the day, Unix owns the enterprise market. Okay, Microsoft owns the traditional corporate market market, but for all mission critical applications, you see a lot more Unix in the server room than you do Windows. It’s this thing called reliability and Microsoft has yet to figure out how to deliver such a product with reliability in mind!
This is the dumbest IT pundit in the fucking universe.
Wasn’t this the guy who played Pee Wee Herman? He should be.
As always, no one is more ignorant and clueless than MDN for single-handedly handing these guys hits, readers, numbers, and ultimately, cash. Why in the WORLD is this worth covering? I’ll never understand MDN’s editorial “direction.”
@Me In LA
How about you sit on your black friends giant cock and spin since you didn’t take my post at all as it was blatantly intended.
Now if Paul Rubens the comedian, who’s also infamous for jacking off in public, had written this article, I could have seen the point and laughed. But this non-amusing ‘Paul Rubens’ is a total waste case M$ shill with no experience with or comprehension of Mac OS X Server. Here we go with yet-another incompetent boob, ala Dvorak, vomiting his lunch on us just to get some attention. Pull his string and he spews the M$ corporate line. What he’s really saying is something more along the lines of Barbie:
“Computer Science is hard!”
Go wash your hair Paul. Maybe it’ll unclog a couple neurons. Then perhaps you’ll have enough reading comprehension to realize Mac OS X is UNIX, which has always been THE server OS of choice of top corporate professionals. NOT Windows. In fact the very best way to get your server hacked is to run it on Windows Server. Maybe you’ll be able to comprehend that as well.
Hey PeeWee! Lend Paul here one of your shoe mirrors so he can see what a rectum he’s made of himself.
:-Q*************
Now if our moron ‘technical journalist’ had noted that many enterprise users are trapped using Windows-only company data management solutions, he’d have had a valid point. AND YET, what is the computer that can run both Mac OS X AND Windows at the same time via virtualization? That ‘toy’ Paul dunderhead reviles.
Are you the IT Director of a company running on Oracle or PeopleSoft? Forced to run them on Windows? Guess what computer the IT Director friend of mine use for this specific purpose:
A MacBook Pro.
Welcome to the NEW and IMPROVED Enterprise.
MDN sez: “For business-critical server deployments, Apple’s upcoming Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server will soon add read and write support for the high-performance, 128-bit ZFS file system, which includes advanced features such as storage pooling, data redundancy, automatic error correction, dynamic volume expansion, and snapshots.”
Very naughty MDN. I already lectured you on this subject. Users can already use these ZFS features on Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.
Caveats:
1) You have to do it from the command line.
2) For writing ability you have to install a solution Apple give away for free at their developer site called the “ZFS Beta Seed v1.1.” Apple sez: “This seed requires installation on systems running Leopard9A559 or later.” But reportedly it only works on 10.5.0. (I haven’t tried it).
3) Apple sez: “Please note that some functionality has not been ported. For example, while snapshots can be taken and operated upon via zfs send|recv, they are not currently browseable with this version of the preview.”
What Snow Leopard will hopefully offer is a GUI solution with the usual Finder access features. What Snow Leopard might NOT offer is the ability to use ZFS on a bootable volume. You can thank Sun Microsystems for that oversight. They dumped the project in Apple’s lap. Thankfully, the ZFS Boot Project has made OpenSolaris bootable on ZFS using the x86 platform, so there is hope. However, a pile of other significant problems with ZFS remain, and not just for Mac OS X.
Face it folks. ZFS is still Not Ready For Prime Time. Think hype. Think Java. It could happen! Lots of promise! Just not yet.
Wikipedia is your pal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS
– Rubens explains. “During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
That alone spells out that this HAS to be a joke…
If not, someone call the local drug addiction hotline for this “expert” – he needs to get off the crack!
“@MDN Take,
“OS X should be a stable and mature OS by now and it isn’t.”
So what Dell model are you using, bud?”
20″ iMac Core 2 Duo, MacBook Core 2 Duo, iMac 20″ Core Duo, Mac Mini G4 1.25 Ghz. Take your pick. My first Mac was in 1984 and my first Apple was an Apple ][ back in the day, when I was learning how to program Basic as part of the University core curriculum.
I have never owned a Dell and never plan to. I only use Windoze when paid to (at work) or when helping the clueless fix their PeeCees.
The simple truth of the matter is that OS X is not a finished OS.
For example, explain why iTunes syncing properly through Airport will not properly sync the same setup on ethernet without opening up the firewall- over and over. This would be the dumbed down firewall control introduced with OS 10.5. All Apple equipment and software, all up to date, all set up according to Apple’s own guidelines and it stumbles on something as basic as this.
Explain the fact that iTools, dotMac and now MobileMe have been a train wreck as far as consistently syncing properly. That goes back through numerous versions of the OS and numerous patches and security updates. The fact that it’s still effed up after all this time indicates that Apple is either clueless, careless or unable to make it work as advertised.
Also explain why the original OS 10.5 update left the Firewall OPEN regardless of which path you took (Archive/Clean/Upgrade) and didn’t inform the user it was doing this. This is a huge breach of basic network security and is titanically stupid.
The list could go on and on. The point is that Mac OS X is good- just not as good as it could, or should, be. Apple is not the struggling company of the late 1990’s, trying hard just to keep the lights on. They have the money to be able to afford the software engineers necessary to do much better than they have done. They also need to stop shipping what is essentially beta software at retail.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
Paul Rubens is actually very representative of a very large part of the BRITISH IT community.
The believe, to this day that:
– Microsoft is the only software maker for business
– Microsoft is a towering monument to enterprise and innovation
– That Bill Gates deserves his New-Labour ass-lick Knighthood
– That Apple, literally, only makes toys
These things are so sad, but true. British IT is running in the 1990’s.
For evidence, the best examples have to be the appalling Government projects which run years late, billions over budget, and then don’t work. All with very very close working relationships with Microsoft.
Heaven help Britain.
And Rubens, you really are an ass.
“During the past two years, it worked on Vista, Windows Server 2008, the Hyper-V virtualization system and the Zune — all at the very same time.”
Let’s see –
Vista = FAIL
Zune = FAIL
Server 2008 = ?
Hyper V = Yet another stolen idea
Multitasking is not necessarily a good thing…at least for Microsuck.
Re Infinitum,
“The simple truth of the matter is that OS X is not a finished OS.”
You are correct, it’s not finished. That is why we have had versions 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5. Soon we will have 10.6.
Every one of these has added new features and/or improved on the existing ones. This is called progress.
Apparently you think Apple shouldn’t have come out with OS X until it was absolutely perfect and met every one of your expectations. So if that was the case, what operating system would you be using now?
Apple can be arrogant, obstinate and seemingly just plain stupid at times. As an example: the DNS flaw that they finally patched. I have no idea what that was all about.
Apple isn’t perfect and OS X isn’t perfect. That’s a fact.
But it’s the best damn thing that’s out there now.
“Apple’s Xserve features a fast 1600MHz system bus and 800MHz memory, resulting in higher memory bandwidth. Xserve provides up to 8-core processing power, 3TB of internal storage, and 32GB of 800MHz memory. Find out more about Apple’s Xserve here. There’s nothing toylike about it.”
Until you compare it to a real enterprise grade server. The guy is right, an XServe has more in common with a desktop PC than a real server.
“Absolutely right. Only stupid people keep buying the same old crap year after year and decade after decade, whether it works properly or not, when there is clearly a better alternative. “
Funny. It’s Apple fanboys who do that. Crashes, overheating, whining, bad screens, power supplies blowing up, discoloring, catching fire, cracking, the list goes on. Yet Apple’s still the best? Right? There is a better alternative, that’s why 95% of the world use it.
“for all mission critical applications, you see a lot more Unix in the server room than you do Windows. “
That’s like saying because I can run Linux on my desktop, it suddenly became an enterprise grade server. There are no Mac OS X servers doing the things you mention. At best an XServe is a low end departmental or small business server.
Romeodawg,
” Why in the WORLD is this worth covering? I’ll never understand MDN’s editorial “direction.” “
This is worth covering because it is controversial. This site is for information, but it’s also for entertainment. These are the kind of articles that gets everyone worked up. The Mac people get pissed and go on a rant, then the jerkwad trolls and flamers come in to mock and ridicule us. It’s all great fun.
I guess MDN could just stick to telling us about software updates, after which the site would be bombarded by the usual “it’s snappier” comments. How exciting.
MDN knows exactly what they are doing. Their “editorial direction” is exactly what you see. If it really bothers you, then please move along.
@Get Real
“That’s like saying because I can run Linux on my desktop, it suddenly became an enterprise grade server…”
No, it’s still a Linux desktop.
When someone figures out what Get Real means, please let Get Real know.
This guy’s head is so far up his butt he has to unzip his pants to brush his teeth!
“This guy’s head is so far up his butt he has to unzip his pants to brush his teeth!”
10 to 1 he DOESN”T brush his teeth.
Better Alternative sez:
” “Absolutely right. Only stupid people keep buying the same old crap year after year and decade after decade, whether it works properly or not, when there is clearly a better alternative. ” “
“Funny. It’s Apple fanboys who do that. Crashes, overheating, whining, bad screens, power supplies blowing up, discoloring, catching fire, cracking, the list goes on. Yet Apple’s still the best? Right? There is a better alternative, that’s why 95% of the world use it.”
BWAHAHAHAHA! That is the funniest insubstantial FUD I have read so far this year. Bravo BA! Even a child could knock over that pile of desiccated feces. You should work for the Neo-Con-Jobs here in the USA! They’re the scammers who write McCain’s campaign ads. Those guys are in exactly the same groove you are. And they’re just as downright moronic! You have a friend in the Bush League.
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A couple quotes from the vacuous:
Proving his own point,
Ignorance Abounds sez:
” “Apple’s Xserve …. There’s nothing toylike about it.” “
“Until you compare it to a real enterprise grade server. The guy is right, an XServe has more in common with a desktop PC than a real server.”
BZZZZZZZT! Next!
Get Real gets lost and sez:
” “for all mission critical applications, you see a lot more Unix in the server room than you do Windows. ” “
“That’s like saying because I can run Linux on my desktop, it suddenly became an enterprise grade server. There are no Mac OS X servers doing the things you mention. At best an XServe is a low end departmental or small business server.”
BZZZZZZZZZT! Flush it! It smells!
Rather than address the stupid, here are some useful facts, all of which any literate reader of English could find out from themselves at Apple’s website within 5 minutes:
1) Apple Marketing at this point in time don’t focus on the Enterprise. They focus on small business.
2) The XServe, however, is specifically designed to scale perfectly within even the largest Enterprise business. That is why it is used in the Enterprise, despite Apple Marketing’s other focus.
3) If you compare the hardware of the XServe with other contemporary solutions for the Enterprise you will find that Apple’s not only competes in hardware capability, it’s less expensive. And I’m not talking about the price after considering Cost Of Ownership (COO) and Return On Investment (ROI), where Apple has always beaten out the alternatives. I am talking about plain old dumdum shelf price.
4) XServe is a 1U rack box.
5) XServe does 32 GB of 800 MHz RAM per box.
6) XServe does 3 TB of disk space per box.
7) XServe does 8 CPU cores per box.
8) XServe has a 1600 MHz bus.
9) XServe does XSan, including MultiSAN.
10) XServe does hardware RAID.
11) XServe is designed to work with the Promise VTrak E-Class RAID Subsystem box. That’s up to 12 TB of storage per connected 3U rack enclosure.
12) XServe does Xgrid, resulting in scalable, low-cost distributed supercomputing with easy configuration, monitoring and administration. Xgrid is commonly used as the supercomputer solution in education institutions across the world.
13) XServe has 2 PCI Express 2.0 expansion slots per box.
14) XServe has built in UPS monitoring.
15) XServe can be monitored and managed off site.
16) XServe runs quiet.
17) XServe exceeds Energy Star efficiency guidelines.
18) XServe is 100% UNIX. It’s core UNIX OS is based on the single most secure version of UNIX available. UNIX is the preferred server solution on the Internet and in the Enterprise when Windows-only compatible software is not required and the IT department is run by competent professionals.
19) XServe is 100% compatible with all UNIX, Linux and Windows systems.
20) XServe is 64 bit.
21) XServe offers redundant power supplies.
22) XServe does Mac OS X Server, which is easier to configure, maintain and monitor than any competing server OS.
23) All Macs, including the XServe, are consistently found to require as little as 10% of the IT staff and maintenance time as an equivalent Windows PC solution. (This is one reason many anti-Mac trolls in Windows IT fear for their jobs).
And there’s plenty more, if you bother to look.
Conclusions:
– XServe is the Enterprise Server Mac. It’s already there. It works better and costs less than most of the competition.
– Trolls are lazy fools who don’t do their homework because they enjoy looking stupid and enjoy making others as miserable and ignorant as they are. It’s called sadomasochism. It requires professional treatment.
Sanity has been restored. ;-D
Crashes, overheating, whining, bad screens, power supplies blowing up, discoloring, catching fire, cracking, the list goes on…
Yes, of course and none of that has ever happened to your Pee Cee, right?
These are manufacturing and design flaws and are easily corrected. Apple enjoys the highest scores for customer satisfaction so they have a good track record for fixing problems, something Dell used to enjoy.
As for market share, you’re being intellectually dishonest here, when you say 95%. The breakdown actually looks like this:
71% —Windows XP
16% —Windows Vista
2% — Windows 2000
.4% — Windows 98
.7% — Windows 2003
.7% — WIndows NT
.2% — Windows ME
.01% —Windows 95
71 percent of the world is using XP?! That’s a far cry from 95 percent.
So it’s safe to assume most PC users who come here are using XP but, there is a possibility that you could be using NT or ME. You could even be one of those four-million people who refuse to leave Win 95, because they can’t live without MS-DOS.
And what percentage of XP users are STILL using 32-bit? Most likely all of them.
Sure, a few of them grabbed a copy of x64 editions of Windows and a their favorite KEYGEN off Pirate Bay just to see what the fuss was all about, but probably reverted back because it broke their toys. Their favorite GAMES no longer worked, nor did their printers, or their sound cards. Maybe they found out that 64-bit is too costly an upgrade. You like ’em cheap and when you start shelling out the bucks for a true x64 system, you realize your about to spend a thousand dollars for a computer! Man, that’s gotta’ hurt, right?
XP is holding Microsoft back in the very same way the parallel port held the whole platform back. Look at Intel. They want nothing to do with Vista and THAT speaks volumes. They’re holding out for Win7, and even then Microsoft has really got to crank up the marketing (astroturf) machine to win XP users over. By the time W7 hits the streets, Vista users will be content to stay right where they are.
When Microsoft threatened to pull the plug on XP, users, including professional groups and enterprise, came out of the woodwork demanding Microsoft keep the dream alive. So, unless Microsoft can change your perceptions by tricking you into upgrading to Vista (Mohave), you’re content to stay right where you are; using a limited OS.
PC users are always lambasting Mac users for buying into a limited platform with no upgrade path, no user-serviceable features and yet you fail to see the limitations of your OS; limited to 3GBs of RAM, tops. 1 for the kernel, providing you add the /3g switch, and 3 for your apps. Tsk, tsk. Imagine 6GBs for Crysis or UT3!
Manufacturing and design flaws can be overcome, but you can’t fix stupid.
derekcurrie ,
“Sanity has been restored.”
It won’t last long. Not here.
“I have to learn the OS, and learn its issues, and do the bloody job I’m paid to do. “
Hello I am being ChrissyOne can I be helping you with your Vista a problem now? Oh my golly gosh, many Thank Yous for calling our call center.
For the record, being a phone answering monkey in a call center doesn’t actually qualify as “IT Support”.
“1) Apple Marketing at this point in time don’t focus on the Enterprise. They focus on small business.”
For the simple reason that they have no enterprise grade products to sell.
“XServe is the Enterprise Server Mac.”
Sorry, all those specs still make it a small business grade server.
“XP is holding Microsoft back in the very same way the parallel port held the whole platform back”
Which is to say, not at all.
“limited to 3GBs of RAM, tops”
Huh? Windows tops out at 128GB RAM.
“you can’t fix stupid.”
I bet you know that because many people have tried to fix you?
“Huh? Windows tops out at 128GB RAM.”
Yeah, the 64 bit version. How many of those do you think they sell, Einstein? And good luck finding software for it.
” good luck finding software for it.”
32 bit software runs on 64 bit Windows. it’s 32 bit drivers that don’t. So you can find all the software you need in any computer store, Einstein. Perhaps you shouldn’t even comment on things you’re totally ignorant of, but why change your ways?
A second point is not how many they sell but that you can have it if you want it. If it’s not selling, that would back an argument that most people don’t see they need > 3Gig memory today.
I love this excert from Joe Wilcox…
Windows People are too stupid to see how great Windows Vista is
1. Microsoft treats its customers like they’re stupid. I’ve had this complaint for a decade. Wizards perhaps best personify the attitude. Microsoft compels customers to go through long and unnecessary step-by-step processes to set up something. It’s click, click, click, click, click, click, click, where one or two clicks should be enough. The iPod model is an example of the right approach. The end user plugs in the device and it begins loading music.
Microsoft takes an infantile approach, of holding the end user’s hands, like a parent with a child learning to walk. But Microsoft doesn’t let go—doesn’t let Windows users grow up. Microsoft’s handholding holds them down.
The marketing campaign presumes that people are too stupid to see how great is Windows Vista.
Joe, an admitted Microsoft kool-aid drinker has confessed. lol
@@Stupid Fanboys
You speak of Windows as though there were only one version. I was, of course, speaking of XP 32-bit. You know, the same version you use? The one that 3 out of 4 people in the PC-using world use? The target audience of Mohave? Ring a bell?
I am continually amazed at how some Windows users hang out in a Mac news forum defending the very company who has a very low opinion of its customer base. Can you say Stockholm Syndrome?
Training for trolls.
How to research the XServe in the enterprise:
1) Google ‘XServer enterprise’
2) Click and read.
Example, a review of last year’s XServe by InfoWorld:
Apple Xserve: The final review
http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2006/11/apple_xserve_th.html
Quotes:
“As usual, Apple knows something that its competitors don’t.”
“Apple is going to sell complete server platforms that buyers purchase, operate themselves and actually own. Seriously.”
“…meets the requirements of mid-level server buyers. In durability, serviceability, manageability and availability, Xserve more readily finds rivals among UNIX RISC servers than commodity Intel x86 systems.”
“Freed from the never-ending spending of Windows and the do-it-yourself shipbuilding of Linux, every single buyer of Xserve will end up doing more with Apple’s server than they had in mind when they bought it.”
“Xserve is uniquely easy to deploy and manage on its own or as part of an established heterogeneous network of systems, and yet it is not dumbed-down in the least.”
“Unlike other Intel OEMs’ boxes, Xserve ships from Apple as a complete server platform, not as a computer.”
“…nearly all of the non-user-facing pieces of OS X Server are available as Apple-supported open source published as Apple’s Darwin project.”
“…the sum of Xserve’s flaws is overwhelmed by the system’s unique leading-edge, user and administrator-centric engineering. Xserve is far better than the commodity server that the Intel x86 market expects. But what really blasts Apple’s competition is OS X Server. The present Tiger (10.4) release is more than a match for much more expensive commercial Linux, and far more capable out of the box than Windows 2003 Server.”
Fascinating Jim.
“…OS X Server Leopard (10.5) will transform Apple’s already industry-leading Xserve, including the model reviewed here, into an unimaginably feature-rich native 64-bit server platform. And guess what? When you buy it, you’re done paying for it, and all of the services you have to buy, build or rent with Windows, Linux or pay-as-you-go service outsourcing, are installed on every Xserve’s boot drive. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer Xserve’s buy once, run forever approach.”
So much for the ‘@Stupid Fanboys’ trolls of this world.
The problem with trolling for a reaction is that you can forget exactly what argument you’re trying to make.
It’s all very well talking about how Apple’s Xserve isn’t ready for the enterprise and how Windows Server 2008 Enterprise Edition 64-bit (extra cost by the way) can support 128GB of RAM, but it ignores a simple reality, which is that most companies are not massive corporate monoliths.
The average business in the UK is around 17 seats and, in the USA, it’s about 32 seats. Only a tiny percentage of companies exist in that rarefied world of several thousand employees: in fact, according to 2004 data from the Census Bureau, only 3,500 businesses employ more than 2,500 people and less than 900 companies employ more than 10,000 people.
Of course, those 3,500 businesses employ 42.8 million people which is over 37% of the workforce included in the survey which is a significant chunk of people. But just under 51% of the workforce included in the survey (58.597 million out of 115.07 million) are employed in the 5.066 million companies with less than 499 employees.
Breaking it down even further (to less than 99 employees), 41.84 million people (over 36% of the workforce) are employed by 4.98 million companies (over 80% of the companies): every single one of those companies is a viable target for an Xserve.
“Training for trolls.”
A 2 year old blog from a fanboy, is that the best supporting information you have? How’s enterprise uptake of the Xserve been in the 2 years since he wrote that?
Nothing there states it’s an enterprise grade server. It all goes to the point that it’s a small business or departmental server. Nobody suggests that an entry level Intel or RISC server is enterprise grade either, and the XServe is certainly in that entry level category.
contd…
In economically challenging times, an Xserve makes perfect sense:
• it doesn’t cost any more than the competitive 1U Harpertown servers from Dell or HP (in fact, it can cost a hell of a lot less).
• it doesn’t require an extensive configuration consultancy
• given the late shipment of SBS2008, a Windows user-site would currently be committing to SBS2003 R2 (which is a dead-end product that can only support 4GB of RAM) in order to get access to Microsoft’s Exchange platform. Then they’d have to migrate to 2008 and 64-bit with additional cost and risk.
Or they could implement OS X Server and Kerio Mailserver (even the most ardent fanboy should admit that the inbuilt mail in OS X Server isn’t ready for prime-time): of course, Kerio costs a mere fraction of what Exchange does so you’d still be quids in.
• Then again, you may want to ignore Exchange and implement Kerio under Windows Server; but then you have to pay for something called Windows client access licenses. On an Xserve, you get unlimited CALs included with the box.
• You can run any of your Windows-only line-of-business applications – which may require access to a non-Mac database like Pervasive or SQL Server – in virtual Windows environment on an Xserve.
• The sole version of OS X Server will recognise all of the RAM you put in the machine. Whereas – if you want to use more than 16GB of RAM in a Windows Server – you have to pay a tax to Microsoft.
• Of course, as a small-business owner and upstanding member of the community, you may want to keep your local Windows reseller and support provider in business. I really admire people who think of others. And I’m sure that your employees will think exactly the same way when their next pay review comes round or when you have start handing out pink-slips.
@Braindead Troll…
http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A;=/article/08/05/06/19TC-apple-xserve_1.html
http://hardware.silicon.com/desktops/0,39024645,39167796,00.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=312300
Tell me – with regards to the last story – which one of your chums in the Windoze Death Cult do you think sent the anonymous death threat? I know you don’t like leaving your real name on anything, so maybe it was you. And you have the nerve to talk about “fanbois”.
You know, reading this article just gets me irate! I am having a difficult time getting my IT department to let me use an iPhone for Exchange, because “it’s probably not safe….” Yet, I use a Mac to access VPN services.
I had to do a filming the other day and ran into the videographer who told me that he had to upload the movie and that it would take a long time to edit this. He is also an IT guy, doubling in our great company. I asked him this pointed question:
“So, are you guys using a Mac?”
Answer, from both him and his IT associate,
“No, but *** I really wish we did!”
And he wasn’t just talking about videography. He went on to describe a list of things that just irked him about Windows. Both have used High End Mac Servers in the past and both prefer Unix over Windows. But both would never admit this in public.
Go Figure!
@Stupid Fanboys,
“32 bit software runs on 64 bit Windows. it’s 32 bit drivers that don’t. So you can find all the software you need in any computer store, Einstein.”
So what do you consider a driver to be shithead? It sure ain’t hardware. It’s part of the application, and if it doesn’t work then the application doesn’t work.
If you kept up on this issue you would realize that the experts recommend that people stay away from 64 bit Windows unless they have an absolute need to run it.
The majority of existing software for Windows is not totally compatible.
Hell, even running 32 bit Windows, if you put in 4 GB of RAM it usually only gives you 3 GB free. Lovely.
My feedback:
“This article is unbelievably biased and essentially devoid of journalistic merit. The author utilizes one incident of Apple temporarily borrowing MacOS X programming talent from another division in the company (which resulted in a highly successful, on-time iPhone product launch) and blows it wildly out of proportion.
In addition, it was specious and self-serving blather to to further denigrate Apple Inc. by calling the iPhone and its other products ‘toys.’ Lest is slipped the author’s mind, Microsoft has spent considerable resources unsuccessfully attempting to duplicate Apple’s iPod with the Zune. And Windows Mobile, despite a substantial advantage in terms of development time, looks weak against MacOS X deployed on the iPod and iPhone. MacOS X has rapidly evolved since its initial release, both its powerful consumer version and its server version. The server version of MacOS X is being gradually enhanced to incorporate more powerful enterprise tools, and any advantages that might remain to Microsoft are tenuous, at best.
If Microsoft is so successful, then why did it take seven years and massive feature cutbacks to produce Vista? Why is the Zune a failure? Why is the iPhone growing so rapidly at the expense of Windows Mobile devices?
I don’t get paid to write articles. But I could do a much better job than Paul Rubens without expending much effort. Please accept my condolences for the expiration of your journalistic integrity.”
and millions and millions of consumers keep their computer because of MS Word, Paint, and Calculator??? Ask anybody why they use a PC and the answer is gonna be more GAMES AND APPS.
” Ask anybody why they use a PC and the answer is gonna be more GAMES AND APPS.”
I agree. There is no finer platform for Solitaire and Notepad.
Well, Mr. Rubens, MS has a wonderful marketing machine.
They do a Cadillac job of marketing Yugos. Also, corporate IT has a huge vested self-interest to keep insecure systems alive. WIndows is IT’s job security. Period.
Rubens should say corporate IT can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.
Instead, he’s telling us he fantasizes Windows Server as better than Solaris, Linux, Unix, BSD, Free-BSD and Mac OS X, the latter being the beneficiary and extender of all it’s ancestors?
He obviously knows nothing about the Unix world and how it howls over the toys in Windows Server, which is insecure by lack of design.
If he actually believes what he writes, Ruben is an ignorant poser. Otherwise he’s a paid hack for Microsoft. Over the past several years the quality of ServerWatch has been sinking, as they appear to slant their reviews toward their advantage advertisers.
Oh, this seems a little harsh. Well, I have worked with Windows and Macintosh for more than 20 years. Windows makes me more money. Macintosh is better for my customers.
“It’s part of the application, and if it doesn’t work then the application doesn’t work.”
Keep digging Dumbass. Keep showing your ignorance. Applications don’t include drivers. Drivers interface between the OS and the hardware.
Caveat: In rare instances some applications bundle drivers for specific hardware or other purposes, but the vast majority don’t.
And as for MCCFR, you seem to be making the argument that an XServe makes a good entry level or small business server. Who do you see disagreeing with you? But lets face it, if you’re an enterprise choosing Unix based servers, you’re going to be going with tried and true and battle hardened Unix and Linux vendors, not a vendor who mostly focuses on their Unix being good and stable enough for home users and can’t get a service person to your facility within one hour at 4am in the morning on christmas day to save themselves. It’s a different game and different set of expectations to the small implementations you seem to be used to.
“Never argue with a crazy mind.”
But I do enjoy trampling trolls.
@Stupid Fanboys makes me laugh:
“A 2 year old blog from a fanboy.”
InfoWorld! A ‘fanboy’! HAHAHAHAHA!
“… is that the best supporting information you have?”
This zero hero can’t Google for itself apparently. Figures.
“How’s enterprise uptake of the Xserve been in the 2 years since he wrote that?”
I don’t know. Look it up lazy.
“Nothing there states it’s an enterprise grade server.”
Seeing as you didn’t read my post, go bite yourself, useless sadist. (Hint to those who care: The InfoWorld column is called “Enterprise Mac”. Heehee!)
“It all goes to the point that it’s a small business or departmental server. Nobody suggests that an entry level Intel or RISC server is enterprise grade either, and the XServe is certainly in that entry level category.”
Our dummy here didn’t read this:
” “…meets the requirements of mid-level server buyers. In durability, serviceability, manageability and availability, Xserve more readily finds rivals among UNIX RISC servers than commodity Intel x86 systems.” “
Trolls are such a waste of time. Gerbils, I mean Goebbels, from the Nazi scum 3rd Reich was just the same: Lie enough, speak from a position of ignorance with force and endurance and people will eventually think you’re actually human, have a brain, and know something you’re talking about.
Sad little trolls.
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@Stupid Fanboys,
“Keep digging Dumbass. Keep showing your ignorance. Applications don’t include drivers. Drivers interface between the OS and the hardware.”
You are right, of course, and I stand corrected. That was a stupid mistake and I do know better.
Anyway, my point was that not all 32 bit software will run correctly on 64 bit Windows. From MicroSoft:
“Many programs designed for a computer running a 32-bit version of Windows will work on a computer running 64-bit versions of Windows without any changes. However, in some cases there might be differences in performance. If a 32-bit program uses embedded drivers, the drivers might not work in the 64-bit environment. If you have a 64-bit computer, it’s best to run programs designed to run on a 64-bit computer.”
“Programs running on 64-bit versions of Windows Vista perform better if both hardware drivers and 64-bit programs are available.”
“Additionally, some 32-bit programs might use embedded 32-bit drivers, which might make the programs work improperly.”
“”How’s enterprise uptake of the Xserve been in the 2 years since he wrote that?”
I don’t know. Look it up lazy.”
Well at least you’re prepared to admit you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
“” “…meets the requirements of mid-level server buyers. In durability, serviceability, manageability and availability, Xserve more readily finds rivals among UNIX RISC servers than commodity Intel x86 systems.” “”
Again written in their OPINION Section by a Mac Fanboy. Just because one Mac fanboy writes something doesn’t make it so.
Anyway seems like he’s moved on to writing iPhone unboxing articles. What does that tell you about his credentials?
“You are right, of course, and I stand corrected. That was a stupid mistake and I do know better. “
Not possible. Nobody who did know better would write such a sentence in the first place. I presume you have now educated yourself on what a driver is.
“From MicroSoft:”
That’s the one rare instance I was talking about. How many programs to you know that use embedded drivers? Also they’re saying you’re be better to run native 64 bit apps if they exist, fine, although you probably also know that 64 bit apps are not automatically better. if you don’t actually need the extra address space they can be slower.
@Stupid Fanboys
You don’t have a 64-bit computer and you don’t know anyone who does, except us!
You have ZERO hands-on experience with the servers you’re talking about!
You don’t even work for a company who needs the kind of servers of which you speak!
I’ll wager you have a plain vanilla, no-name brand computer running XP (32-bit). Your a grown man and still living at home with your mom because your dad beats the piss out of you when he’s drunk. You’re full of piss and vinegar because you haven’t been laid in months and you’re taking it out in a Mac news forum.
So I ask, what the fuck are you doing?
Your outnumbered like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. Loser.
@Stupid Fanboys,
“Not possible. Nobody who did know better would write such a sentence in the first place. I presume you have now educated yourself on what a driver is.”
I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I do try to admit when I am wrong or have made a mistake. Thanks for your mature rebuttal. I see you have taken the highest road possible for someone of your integrity.
Regardless of the point of whether I am technologically ignorant or not, you seem to be avoiding the fact that you were wrong in the first place. You are simply using my mistake as a smoke screen to hide your own error.
Feel free to bask in the glow of your imagined superiority.
I would venture to guess it is about the only thing you have to brighten your dreary little life. Have a nice day.
“You are simply using my mistake as a smoke screen to hide your own error.”
What error would that be? That 32 bit software runs on 64 bit Windows? As you now know, that’s actually not an error.
Poor G4Dualie, don’t assume everyone shares your life story. Sounds like it’s sad to be you.
holy shizznit
this post is outa hand
where did all these these loser trrrolls come from?
must be real boring on the ms side of things i guess
‘sucks to be you right now’…
all i can say is
the emperor wears no clothes.
oh
and
faaaackooorrrf
Only butt-slamming snoot-snout spelunking faggots use the word fanboy.
Fanboy, fanboy, fanboy, fanboy! Oh that feels so good!
@Sir Gill Bates
You know, if @Stupid Fanboys hadn’t shown up when she did this thread would have tanked after the first page.
Personally, I hope @Stupid Fanboys registers his name and continues to enlighten us all with his charm and wit. I mean because, let’s face it quotes like the following will become historic…
“Only butt-slamming snoot-snout spelunking faggots use the word fanboy.” —@Stupid Fanboys August 5, 2008 12:17am
G4Dualie,
Yes, I have been highly amused. He has the entertainment value of bleeding hemorrhoids combined with Gilbert Gottfried. What more can we ask for?
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