“Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates’ words are being parsed for hidden meanings. According to my News.com colleague Ina Fried, Gates said this week during a speech before the Inter-American Development Bank: ‘Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new (Windows) version,’ Mary Jo Foley blogs for ZDNet.
“Microsoft officials are insisting nothing has changed: Windows 7 is due out roughly three years after Windows Vista’s consumer launch (which was January 2007), meaning in early 2010,” Foley reports.
MacDailyNews Take: So, Gates said “2009” last week, but now it’s already slipped to “2010.” Please see related article: Microsoft figurehead Bill Gates sees next version of Windows ‘sometime in the next year or so’ – April 04, 2008
In an earlier report from last July, Foley explained, “Microsoft officials told MGX attendees that the company is currently internally planning Windows Seven. So far, the company has determined Windows Seven will come in both 32- and 64-bit flavors.”
MacDailyNews Take: It’s amazing (and sad) that Microsoft still won’t be able to figure out how to do 64-bit right by 2011. Please see related articles:
• Apple does 64-bit right, Microsoft… not so much – August 03, 2007
• Apple’s Mac OS X Leopard is 64-bit done right, unlike Microsoft’s Windows Vista kludge – August 14, 2006
Also, from that earler report, Foley continues, “Microsoft officials confirmed the veracity of this Windows Seven information… Short answer: Yes, it is going to take us at least three years to release Windows Seven. Longer if it’s buggy and doesn’t hit the ‘quality bar.'”
It’s a good thing for Microsoft that Windows has slipped, according to Foley, “If Windows 7 were to hit in mid-2009, a number of users (especially corporate ones) would likely just wait for the next Windows release, hoping that the driver and application incompatibilities that plagued Vista might get ironed out and that changes that might introduce new problems would be kept to a minimum.”
Full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “Beverly M” for the heads up.]
MacDailyNews Take: When you drop the “quality bar” on the floor, as Microsoft does, how difficult is it to hit, much less clear? Maybe that’s the problem. Perhaps Microsoft’s spaghetti coders are slipping and sliding (like Windows release dates) on those “quality bars” rolling around, then crashing over backwards and cracking their heads on the floor?
[UPDATE: 1:10pm EDT: Updated article with excerpts from Foley’s April 4, 2008 posting and fixed headline to reflect 2010 is the current target year for “Windows 7.”]
The quality bar was set with Windows ME and it hasn’t moved much since then.
Geez, Mary Jo is a bit of FUDster, isn’t she?
Mary Jo wrote this on a big-ass desk.
“Yes, it is going to take us at least three years to release Windows Seven. Longer if it’s buggy and doesn’t hit the ‘quality bar.'”
ROFL – I didnt even know actually had any sort of ‘quality bar’.
If so, it has’nt been apparent for the last 20+ years!
The more people Microsloth hires the slower their programming gets.
Which cat will Apple be on in 2011?
Will Microsloth have made Vista even passably useable before Windows 7 is released?
What will OS X’s market share be on Windows 7 release day in 2011?
@MDN:
When they say 3 years, they are talking about 3 years from the Vista ship date, which would be January 2010.
Not that it matters. We all know it won’t go out by then, but let’s not give Microsoft an extra year of leeway.
’11? By then Apple will have turned it up to XI!
P.S. Maybe MS can do a cross-promotion with 7-Eleven…
The aliens must be laughing at us because as a species we’ve allowed Microsoft to become so big. We went to the moon, then Microsoft, now they must have written us off as a stupid race unworthy of their attention, who got lucky once. Thanks Gates, you’ve doomed the human race from gaining the enlightenment of the older races of the galaxy.
So is Bill even checking in at Redmond anymore?
MDN secret word ‘here’ as in “He don’t come round here no more.”
I hit the Quality Bar with a couple MS engineers last night. I don’t know about them, but my head is still spinning and my coworkers are talking way too loud.
But the guys from MS claim this is what they do to meet their release dates. I guess we all need a little fortification sometimes.
And Bill Gates just promised Windows 7 it in 2009.
Quality Bar? WTF is that? High? Low? In the Middle? Who are they kidding? (besides users and shareholders)
DOS 6.0 was the last time Microsoft could make the claim of hitting a quality bar.
Microsoft aims high. If they EVER make it to the mere level of mediocrity, it’ll be deemed a major success.
Wake me up in 2015.
So if you do the math, 3 years plus the quality thing were looking at 6 years plus or 2014!
By the time MS releases “7”, Apple will probably release OS X in HD and 3-D. The Microsoft sandcastle will be washing out to sea.
The quality bar used to be painted on the floor. They’ve gotten smarter now, and currently use tape.
It used to be painted on the floor of the ground floor, but has moved lower on each new release. For Windows 7 it will be on the floor of the seventh circle of hell.
“Abandon all hope, ye who enter here”
note — there are only 9 circles.
This is certainly FANTASTIC news for Mac OS X!
It’s BAD news for the legions of MS Shills and Apologists. Everyone knows, even MS-lovers, that it’ll keep on slip-sliding away.
Mac sales will be UP!
Hmmm. My watch says half past 2016.
Will it be snappy?
Or they could just be honest and call it Windows Never, charge the saps a hefty annual subscription to keep Ballmer happy in his cage with a plate of ribs and a stack of jelly doughnuts and then occasionally throw the soiled masses a Service Pack bone to shut them up. It’s not much different from their business plan today.
@M.X.N.T.4.1
Maybe it’s good the aliens are not interested in us. If Apple was the one in lead instead of microsoft then we probably would have been probed and killed off years ago.
Um, did anyone notice this article was published on July 20th, 2007?
They can release Windows 7 any time they want to. They will just have chop it a bit. But I bet they are pushing it back because otherwise no one will buy Vista.
Just you wait, you, you … DOUBTERS!
Boy, when Microsoft releases its NEWEST OS, it’ll be so, it’ll be better than … ooooo, just you WAIT!
Because of the Vista debacle, Microsoft will make sure that Windows 7 is smaller, faster, and more efficient that Vista. (Not all that hard to do when you think about it.) It will also copy OS X even more than before. Windows 7 will be great! But who cares?
By that time, Apple will have an insurmountable consumer market share and will have made significant inroads into the enterprise. Microsoft will find itself playing catch-up.
(The US Army already uses Macs, and an Army web site is hosted on OS X.)
“Boy, when Microsoft releases its NEWEST OS, it’ll be so, it’ll be better than … ooooo, just you WAIT!”
Because the packaging will be design on a Mac?
This may be a ground (grass roots) up new operating system with former Windows apps running in a “classic” mode. That rumor is bouncing around somewhere. If this is true then they may actually be able to create a modern OS.
OR they could try to write a newer and “better” Vista and as such keep slogging around in mud of legacy code. If so, they are doomed for sure.
Even if they attempt to write a fresh new OS, they are likely doomed. Writing an OS from the ground up is apparently a more-than-enormous undertaking. If they do this, they will be lucky to get the project out the door by 2012 or more. Even then, if they did a great job, it would still be in it’s infancy like OS X 10.0. It would likely take future versions to be truly usable.
And even if is was the most fantastic OS out there, It would be tough to generate adoption for many years.
Furthermore, they would have to develop all the server software, and other enterprise utilities and apps plus a decent SDK.
So again, either way, they are doomed, truly and utterly.
@ Ampar: “Windows Never” Heh. WINNER!
Windows 7 might be modular, in which case Bill Gates has just delivered the vaporware module.
They are drawing attention away from Vista to Windows 7 very early in the development schedule. This is a public admission that Vista is a train wreck.
What never ceases to amaze me is that in the face of all of MS’s blatant f*ck-up and never-ending displays of incompetency, Windows Sufferers will defend them to the death, as evidence of the feedback thread of the ZDNet story. And they honestly have the nerve to call Mac Users “fanboys”! Wow…
Right you are, Jason!
I think MDN have really messed up on this one.
“Um, did anyone notice this article was published on July 20th, 2007?”
Why, that would require more reading than foaming at the mouth…and that’s just not typical for this crowd, generally speaking.
Do you all use Apple napkins to wipe the spittle from your lips?
@Connor Macbook
That’s a really good one!!!!
@Harvey,
“By that time, Apple will have an insurmountable consumer market share and will have made significant inroads into the enterprise. Microsoft will find itself playing catch-up.”
Apple doesn’t need to (and probably will never) have “more” marketshare for Microsoft to play catch up; the’ve been doing that for years.
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I can’t wait!
Your potential. Our passion.™
My theory is that Vista is really a transitional operating system. Instead of having two operating systems overlap for a few years, like Apple did, they put out a version that could do things both the old way and the new way, but doesn’t do either one very well. Imagine a hybrid OS 9 and OS X. That’s what I think Vista is.
Windows 7 may be the operating system they were intending to transition to.
Microsoft began to end quirkiness about 2005. Many of its web sites now render correctly in browsers other than IE. They have to be standards-compliant to avoid sanctions and fines from the EU. (What a shame we don’t have a consumer watchdog like that in the US.)
The longer the gap between Vista and Windows 7, the more credibility they lose with the enterprise. So they are under pressure to deliver it early to repair their image and to deliver it late to make sure it is right. (I’d hate to be a developer at Microsoft these days.)
By the time Windows 7 comes out, the damage to Microsoft’s credibility in the enterprise will be irreversible.
I will tell you what i think. I think right now all the IT guys are looking at this and saying – yes we can hold off, we dont need to get vista – and MS is begining to bow to the pressure and is continuing to support XP as a platform. You will see that they will actually reverse course and continue to sell boxed versions of the OS even into 09 and 2010.
What does this mean? Well this just gave Apple another 3 years to convince more and more people, particularly in the enterprize realm that OSX is a viable alternative to moving into the next MS OS which is stated to be Windows 7.
By then Apple might have more support for enterprise solutions that will fit in with the corp. requirements. By then apple might actually license out is OS. A lot of development for enterprise solutions comes in the form of cross-platform at this point anyway.
@ Another IT Guy
You think that makes it better — that MS was already talking about the next OS that soon after the release of Vista? Any spittle around here is from laughing so hard.
This is great news for Rush Limbaugh! Viagra for all the old white kiddy-diddlers!
@Zune Tang
Sorry, but you have to wait.
Our potential. Your passion.
Jason is right … July 2007! So … “at least three years” would mean – minimally – late 2010. As this precedes the Gates statement, the MDN headline is worse than incorrect, it is the reverse of the truth. Well, it would be if we believed anything Gates says. But … that’s not really the point, is it?
Tommy Boy, 10.6 should be entering its EOL about then. If Gates is correct, 10.6 will be squeaky-clean and snappy and anywhere from a few months to maybe a year old. Remember, the pressure is off Apple! Vista doesn’t compare well to Tiger, never mind Leopard, so Apple can take it a bit easy as “there IS no competition”. Now … if Win7 DOES slip, we could be getting into 10.7 territory – or even 10.8, if Longhorn is any guide.
That quality bar is lower than a limbo contest winner’s.
Ampar!
What have these Bozos done?
Where is Chrissy????
@DLMeyer
Taking it easy goes against Apple’s corporate culture. “A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest…” and someone else will run off with all your business.
If Apple continues with cat names, what will they use? Will we have OS X 10.6 Ocelot? OS X 10.7 Tabby?
What will we call OS X 10.10.10? Oh ess ten, ten ten ten? What comes after OS X? OS XI? Or some new naming scheme?
Quality bar??? They must have forgotten that concept when Microsoft let Vista out the door.
By 2011, the next big cat will be on the prowl.
This one is a little more up to date… http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1314
but the general idea of the article posted in ’07 does not seem to have changed…. Windows 7 is slipping and there is no real date.
Further, the major change between Vista and Windows 7 is …. a new task bar! (not kidding)
from http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1136&tag=btxcsim
“One of my sources close to Microsoft weighed in recently with this observation: “Windows 7 is cleaning up some UI (user interface) and will feel more like a SP (service pack) than (Vista) SP1. In fact, it looks like the only changes will be around the Task Bar (’the tray’) and not much else. There is a big push to take more (out of) Windows,” not to cram more features into it.”
Mary Jo Foley is either a FUDster or an idiot (or a little of both). She is the same one who wrote back in June that Apple “copied” the Vista desktop because the desktop picture (the blades of grass) that Steve had on the Mac was similar to a Microsucks grass “wallpaper” photo in Vista.
My sense is that she is more of a clueless idiot than anything else.
(Dripping with sarcasm)
I’m confused. Is this as bad as Leopard being postponed a couple of months (for good cause)?
@ Zung Tang
What’s with the 3 word posts. You’re letting us down, buddy. I was looking forward to long essay of how revolutionary this new version of Winblows will be. Maybe you just have anything to be inspired about, hence you lack of words to express yourself.
Windows 7. Yep that’s about right. About two steps below Mac OS 9.
Considering how OLD the source article is (July 20, 2007, as in SEVEN), I don’t see the point in MDN bothering with it.
We already know that Jo Foley is one of the few hold out Win-Droids in tech journalism. The days of ‘Microsoft can do no wrong’ are dead and gone, and yet she keeps right on track with the LUV and anti-Mac FUD. Talk about drinking the cool-aid.
Anyway, Gates clearly (despite blethering otherwise) said that Windows 7 will be out, at least as a beta, in 2009. What Jo Foley says is total bullshite on a good day, she is not an MS exec, and has no credibility. Her prediction is also OLD.
Therefore, when (not if) Windows 7 does not appear in some form in 2009, we have total permission to LAUGH AND LAUGH at Microsoft, especially since Big Brother Bill tossed out the date himself. Lucky for him he’ll be out of the picture in July, so what does he care? He’s a consummate liar. It’s all about appearances for him. Dunderheads eat it up and pray to him. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
“What have these Bozos done?”
They’ve probably deflated their shoes and boarded the bus to the Future Fair. Uh, Clem.
“Why does the Porridge Bird lay his eggs in the air?”
“Army web site is hosted on OS X”
You’re quite right:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http://www.army.mil/
And the Air Force is on Linux, so good for them, too.
However, the US Navy seems to be using IIS, which doesn’t inspire confidence. I guess they never learned from what happened to the USS Yorktown:
“While Microsoft continues to trumpet the success of its NT operating system over Unix-based systems, the US Navy is having second thoughts about putting NT at the helm. A system failure on the USS Yorktown last September temporarily paralyzed the cruiser, leaving it stalled in port for the remainder of a weekend. … “For about two-and-a-half hours, the ship was what we call ‘dead in the water,'” said Commander John Singley of the Atlantic Fleet Surface Force.”
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987
No doubt they’ll be using the Vista Model which means in 2010 they’ll scrape the core and all most all the added advanced features cause Windows 7 will not even build and they’ll go back to the NT kernel, Vista eye candle and start building out from there. Of course they’ll need to everything except the things that make Windows as close looking to the MacOS as they can make it and it’ll take 3 years just to get the WinNThack version of Windows 7 out. Think Vista with an eye candy plus pack.
All MS has to do to finish it in 2009 or 10, or 11 for that matter is hire another 2000 engineers. That way they can get it done and keep our resident Windows Trolls gushing with anticipation.
They can excite themselves knowing that opening a control panel window will require 10 steps. The options for opening a control panel windows and viewing it in various ways will go to 25 options. AWESOME!
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“Army web site is hosted on OS X”
“And the Air Force is on Linux, so good for them, too.”
Meanwhile the IRS is using a computer system that took them years of fumbling and bumbling to get to actually work. It ran waaaaay over budget and was years late. And it runs on Windows.
So what do we see in the news today?
Report: IRS Computers Prone To Hackers
Watchdogs Say Security Weaknesses Could Threaten Confidential Taxpayer Information
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/07/tech/main3998842.shtml
OMFG
@M.X.N.T.4.1
that was beautifully put , well done !!!
Ampar,
I think we may be revealing a generational divide, here. All this talk of slow releases of technology reminds me that I’m old enough to have typed on a blind punch tape, with original chad. I recall the tape had to be torn-off and physically loaded onto the line pickup device. When the line finally got around to polling my station, the message was transmitted at 300 characters per minute.
Naw. None of these guys are old enough to remember the “Hot Lead Enema.”
They must have been using Excel to do their math.
@AppleJack,
“None of these guys are old enough to remember the ‘Hot Lead Enema’.”
I think I had that video back in college. A young Jenna Jamison was in it, right?
You have all misread it.
“doesn’t hit the ‘quality bar”
If it DOESN’T HIT the quality bar… meaning, if it is not so pathetic that it hits the bar instead of clearing it…. they will need more time to make it as crappy as Vista… or M.E…. or any other Windows product really.
I mean, really…. you have to TRY to make a product as crappy as Vista.
The Dude abides.
It’s called “Windows 7”, because it’s going to take seven years to ship.
Of course, at some point it’s going to be renamed Windows 8, then Windows 9…
-jcr
Funniest MDN take ever. Such and image!
@Ampar
“The future? The future ain’t here yet, man.”
Your potential. Our passion.™
To AppleJack:
You were lucky. We dreamed of having . . .
(Actually, I was lucky enough to have learned BASIC using a graphite card reader. It gave new meaning to using a Number Two.
Then, posting to a BBS on dial-up from my Mac SE seemed like something out of science fiction. What happened to all that ASCII porn anyway?)
“The future ain’t here yet, man.”
I see you’re . . .
“. . . back from the shadows again. Out where an Injun’s your friend. Where the vegetables are green, and you can pee into the stream (and that’s important), we’re back from the shadows again.”
@ Ampar….
The ASCII porn it still out there….
http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups.html
LMAO.
The Dude abides.
Thanks, The Dude!
Sadly, none of those were ever my type. They seemed shiftless and keyed up with little control even for a simple escape. Thanks for the case in point.
all you FUDster MAC lemmings can make fun if you want, but this is HUGE good news. read the article again, i am sure you will see it……
Microsoft now has a quality bar.
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HAHAHA
I repeat. A Microsoftian year is like a Football minute.
In other news today, Miscrosoft fearling backlash over yet another delay to releasing a new operating system has decided to distance itself from the term Windows and and will now can the new OS, Door.
Yes said Steve Ballmer, CEO of MS, our new OS is swinging right along since we removed all Door jams and got rid of the knobs that controlled programming. Everything hinges on the fact that the sheep….errrr….clients have forgotten what a disaster Windows was and hope that Door will be the next best thing since sliced bread.
The Microsoft Quality Bar is located in the Chunnel under the English Channel and no Apple or LINUX computer shall ever pass below.
Anyone who has read Mary Jo Foley for any period of time would soon conclude she is anything but a rabid MSFT fan. Nevertheless, I am always fascinated by how many in the AAPL community feel the need to bash Windows at every opportunity, no matter the validity of their argument. Users promoting a truly superior product, which I believe AAPL offers, only debases themselves when bashing the competition. Frankly I don’t care if or when a new version of Windows hits the market. I’ll continue to use OSX as long as it offers me a better OS experience.
@Ampar:
As always, you are a font of joy.
MS is going with the Mayan calendar and hoping that the end of the world will come in in 2012, then Windoze 7 will be the last release they will ever have to suffer through and not see the continual decline of their desktop dominance.
OS XI on 2011? That will be THE real big release. It’ll be about a decade for the OS X run by then (face it, there aren’t too many intimidating common cat names left)
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Ampar is particularly entertaining today….
To Scot Murphy:
(Anyone that tried to dash off downloads of ASCII porn knew it was his asterisk.)
@The Dude
Thanks for the time travel ASCII art. Had forgotten about that.
Thanks, Buster. And your take on the Door OS means that “Strange days have found us, strange days have tracked us down.”
Scot Murphy said “@Ampar:
As always, you are a font of joy.“
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Would that be Microsoft’s Comic Sans ?
It’s interesting how many have just stepped right past the notices that the article in question is half a year old. And how many believe Foley is waiting for ‘7’ with bated breath. AND that MDN has declined to correct the FUD of its headline. If we are going to hammer the forces of the Dark Side about such things, we ought to be above them, ourselves!
But, that’s just my opinion.
Oceans 11, and possibly its sequels.
Can’t wait!
Maybe the lucky year 2013?
Well, they obviously need more time to make it suckier!
@Ampar
“Or they could just be honest and call it Windows Never, charge the saps a hefty annual subscription to keep Ballmer happy in his cage with a plate of ribs and a stack of jelly doughnuts and then occasionally throw the soiled masses a Service Pack bone to shut them up. It’s not much different from their business plan today.”
Except for the number of ribs.
There is nothing that most of us want than for Microsoft to be cool again and come out with a kick ass OS..it raises the bar and makes the PC fun again but somewhere along the way MS has become a big bloated company that just can’t do anything with speed or spending billions of dollars. Too bad because Apple is cashing in on their weaknesses
“Except for the number of ribs.”
I’m sure MS’s crafty CFO can find a way to amortize thousands of livestock along with several tankers of rib sauce over the next few years.
Quality bar? Isn’t that what Bill Murrey retrieved from the swimming pool in Caddyshack?
Windows(R)
“Promises you can see through”
But the guys from MS claim this is what they do to meet their release dates. I guess we all need a little fortification sometimes.
The MS guys hit the bars looking for fortification.
The rest of us hit the bars looking for fornication.
Perhaps that’s MS’s real problem….?
MW: personal. Indeed.
To another TMF:
Thanks for keeping the Twisted Mac Freak alive. Good times.
Holy shit! Am I reading double?!?!
they only have the 1 quality bar
mw: below
What the hell does this have anything to do with Mac? Huh? “MacDailyNews is your source for daily news about Apple, Mac OS and the Macintosh platform. MacDailyNews features news, links, tips, and opinions” This is your moniker, seems to me you guys cant keep even your own house in order. Never mind the the hate mongering you spew with each post, the arrogance flows out of this place like puss from a septic wound.
Get real, Windows is a good OS, like it or leave it. And look to improve your own OS.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/leopard-osx-problems,review-1028.html try this discussion
http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9806005-37.html oh oh another one
Oh it just works hmmmmm http://guides.macrumors.com/List_of_Applications_Not_Compatible_with_Leopard give me a break
or you can peruse the search yourself http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS220US220&q=mac+leopard+problems&btnG=Search
have a blast with these. more to follow
@Crash
Post all you want. Do the same for Windows XP and Vista. You’ll get 100x more with that piece of crap. Not just because the monopoly has given it 95% market. The number of crap it causes are in the billions of dollars and user issues not proportional to its monopolized market. Crash on that Ballmer Lover.
oh and one for you that believe the falacy that is Mac security….. http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9914753-37.html Man keep your priority straight. lol
@Crash
Why are you still posting useless links? I told you for each one you do, there are several hundreds if not thousands to reflect you POS XP/Vista? Your continued post are laughable at this point. But hey whatever makes you happy. Go on and keep posting those useless links.
@Jubei
And that is why I post this here. Your arrogance reflects most venom spewing garbage coming from this place. You just dont get it. Following the party line of der Fuerher Jobs is going to fail, This has happened before. Remember why Jobs left the first time? He couldnt get that consumers dont buy the most beautiful things on a regular basis. Witness the domination of Windows as an example. As you say a horrible abomination on the face of the earth. And yet the largest OS/Browser/Office Suite and for a while the number one selling game console in the industry. Think about that.
@Crash
Arrogance is better that stupidity. Supporting a guilty company of monopolizing a market. Supporting a company that pays the labels for every Zune sold. Supporting a company that buys up companies to remove them from the market and eliminate the competition. Support a company for stealing code from Apple. Why don’t you think about that. Like I said post all you want. You look like a total fool, laughable and ludicrous. All three at the same time. Congratulations. LOL
@Jubei
“Arrogance is better that stupidity. Supporting a guilty company of monopolizing a market. Supporting a company that pays the labels for every Zune sold. Supporting a company that buys up companies to remove them from the market and eliminate the competition. Support a company for stealing code from Apple”
Man you are too easy, This is exactly a description many give of Apple. And that first statement really goes to the core of everything Apple. Im better, stronger faster. Get a life. There is always something better. Thats why I left Apple. Few folks will stand up and say what if. No one wants to go against the leader, Steve Jobs is a God among men. Laughable and exactly the type of thinking that kills companies. He will build great looking products but do not match to the mainstream buyer wallets or needs. Now go to der Fuerher and he will make things all better for you.
@Crash
Ahahaha.. What a loser. Giving you straight, verified, indisputable facts and you revert to trying to redirect the truth. Speaking about easy, your defense of that platform, is an easy win. In fact it takes very little effort at all. Remember, this is you:
Supporting a guilty company of monopolizing a market. Supporting a company that pays the labels for every Zune sold. Supporting a company that buys up companies to remove them from the market and eliminate the competition. Support a company for stealing code from Apple. Why don’t you think about that. Like I said post all you want. You look like a total fool, laughable and ludicrous. All three at the same time. Congratulations. LOL
Crash v Jubel: FOOD FIGHT!
This is what we call ‘Computer Warz’. Crash is typical in that he is not willing to read the ammo he uses to clobber his point. This is what we call ‘troll’ behavior on the battlefield. Some ignorant people call this a ‘religious’ war. It never was. It is a FACT war, and Windows PC users are the ones consistently being clobbered. They know it. So they respond with FUD, myths and other disinformation. It doesn’t require an outspoken Mac fanatic to prove what OS is superior. All the ‘opinion’ is in the end totally pointless. What wins the day is INFORMATION, here in our information age.
Case in point: Crash made the following blunder: “oh and one for you that believe the falacy that is Mac security….
http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9914753-37.html
Man keep your priority straight. lol”
I encourage everyone to read the article! It correctly points out the current state of security on ALL computer platforms.
(1) Software developers are mere humans performing a task that is well beyond mere human comprehension. The result is bugs and security flaws, consistently, in everything, be it OS or app.
(2) The Mac OS is NOT a main source of insecurity concern. One thing that IS of concern is the insecurity of the APPLICATIONS running on the OS. Consider Crash’s point to be totally blown out of the water in this respect. Shame on him.
Example: Despite the very best intentions of CERN and the creators of ARPANET, the standards and protocols upon which the Internet depends for security have generally turned out to be INSECURE. Even Java, which has had the biggest hype factor of them all for ‘security’, has been a bust.
(3) The single most dangerous security vulnerability of all time is ‘WETWARE VULNERABILTY’. The crack of the MacBook Air last month is a perfect example. As per usual, at the ‘crack a Mac’ sort of tournaments, crackers never succeed when merely Mac OS X is the target. Instead they all have required the assistance of the wetware user at the computer to either deliberately allow the cracker into the system, or to make a blunder, or to fall for a trick that exploits an APPLICATION running in the OS. In the case of the MacBook Air it was Safari that failed and allowed the crack. Similar security flaws have been found in QuickTime (A LOT!), Adobe Reader and Flash among others.
Result: Despite all the troll ranting, Mac OS X has been doing as well as one would expect of a certified UNIX operating system. In other words, extremely well. And as I pointed out above, you don’t have to be some ‘fanbois’ to have ‘religious’ faith to believe this is the case. You just have to do your homework and READ THE FACTS. You don’t have to be an ‘apologist’ to ‘defend’ the Mac.
I very much like the last couple paragraphs of the article Crash fumblingly tripped over:
“… quick, diligent patching and a wider embrace of the security community will more than do its part in keeping the Mac secure.”
BRAVO! Apple regularly need a good kick in the backside to wake up to what’s important IRL. The past two and a half + years of anti-Mac security FUD have been absolutely brilliant for inspiring Apple to get on top of Mac security issues. Before the FUD-fest began I would most certainly describe Apple as having been lazy about security.
“Education and ‘safe surfing’ practices are as important to this era of security as anything having to do with counting flaws or patching practices. Maybe that’s the third rail of technology writing: it’s not always the mean evil corporation’s fault; sometimes, it’s yours.”
*DING*
More FACTS for those who enjoy my blethering:
http://mac-security.blogspot.com
http://macsmarticles.blogspot.com
oh boy we got another one. man the fishing is good.
1:So Macs remain a very safe computing option. This does not mean that Mac OS X is secure, however. It’s software, written by humans, and it contains flaws. Those flaws are theoretically exploitable by criminals, but they haven’t been, mainly because you don’t need an MBA to do a cost-benefit analysis.Apple hasn’t had its “come to Jesus” moment yet with security, the way Microsoft did in the early part of this decade. Millions of Windows users demanded that Microsoft fix the leaky boats that were Windows XP and Internet Explorer, and to Microsoft’s credit, it stopped almost everything it was working on and set about that task
That hasn’t happened to Apple. Even though Apple’s market share continues to grow quarter by quarter, the company’s products account for just 5.8 percent of the total U.S. market for PCs, according to IDC.( Might as well post the context. Not just the sound bites you Appl fanbois like.)
2: Market share equals money” to the hacker criminals of the world, according to Charlie Miller, a researcher at Independent Security Evaluators. Miller made headlines last month by taking control of a MacBook Air as part of the CanSecWest conference’s “Pwn to Own” contest. He used a previously unadvertised flaw in Apple’s Safari browser to gain control of a system that was directed to a malicious Web site, earning himself and his team $10,000 and a new MacBook Air.
“Even if Apple moved to 10 percent market share, why spend the time on the 10 percent when you can just nail 90 percent with one bug?” Miller points out. It’s far easier, and far more lucrative, for those shadowy figures in the hacking business to spend their time going after the other 90-plus percent of computers in the world than it is to try to exploit flaws in the Mac–even if there’s a shiny new computer involved.
And as always you just dont get it. My point being look to fix your own house, soon there might be a need to remember that Window users are already battle bloodied. Your OS is not invincible. It has alot of holes.
Now look at that article again fully and objectivley.
I wonder if I can get this thread to four pages. Wish me luck.
LOL
Troll Crash spews: “oh boy we got another one. man the fishing is good.”
You let the mask slip. Oh boy, we got another one:
A T R O L L with the usual sadomasochistic agenda.
>>yawn<<
Need I point out folks that Crash not only didn’t read the article, he ironically referenced. He also did not read my reply. Compare and contrast kids. His response is utter nonsense taken in the context of my post.
Conclusion: This troll is 100% ignorable. His comments demonstrate a lack of a grasp on reality and a complete disrespect of informed opinions that don’t match his uninformed opinion.
Setting aside his slam and my slam back:
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As I previously noted, the more actual information, actual FACTS you learn, the more you comprehend why Mac OS X is innately far more secure that Windows has ever been. And if you read the stuff I have posted in my Mac blogs, previously linked, you’ll know (unlike Crash who would never bothers to read even his own references) that I am make it clear when Apple blunders and when they get it right. Clearly the ‘security by obscurity’ myth is total baloney, a convenient LIE. And clearly Mac OS X is NOT perfectly secure. No one I know of ever said it was. Only trolls think otherwise, another convenient LIE. Consider me bored.
From Shavlik Technologies
http://www.shavlik.com/
April 9, 2008 Microsoft Patch Day Information
Microsoft Releases Eight New Security Bulletins
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Microsoft released 8 new security bulletins in April. Of the 8 bulletins, 5 are rated Critical on Microsoft’s severity rating system.
The following patches have been added to the Shavlik XML file:
Critical
MS08-018
Vulnerability in Microsoft Project Could Cause Remote Code Execution (950183)
MS08-021
Vulnerabilities in GDI Could Allow Remote Code Execution (948590)
MS08-022
Vulnerability in VBScript and JScript Scripting Engines Could Allow Remote Code Execution (944338)
MS08-023
Security Update of ActiveX Kill Bit (948881)
MS08-024
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (947864)
Important
MS08-019
Vulnerabilities in Microsoft Visio Could Allow Remote Code Execution (949032)
MS08-020
Vulnerabilities in DNS Client Could Allow Spoofing (94553)
MS08-025
Vulnerabilities in Windows Kernel Could Allow Elevation of Privilege (941693)
Additional information about these new security bulletins can be found on Microsoft’s TechNet Web site.
Visit the Shavlik Web site for additional information about the potential impact of these bulletins from Shavlik’s CTO Eric Schultze.
It’s pretty obvious what M$ need to do to keep in the game long-term. It’s about time they ditched their current bloated code base and developed a completely new light weight, scalable kernel.
The biggest flaw with Vista is that it appears to have been built around a kernel with a might is right philosophy. I have a Vaio TZ in addition to my MBP and Vista just isn’t designed for anything other than absolutely huge hardware specifications. M$ just don’t seem to have considered scalable performance. We only need to note the horrific performance of Outlook 2007 to see that M$ just don’t seem to consider an effective performance evaluation as part of their development process.
Even allowing for the rapid progress of CPU architecture there will always be a performance gap between the bottom and top end of the market. It’s almost as if Vista was developed for PC architecture several years down the line or could it be that adding generation after generation of code they’ve ended up with a behemouth of an OS. We only need to look at how well OSX and Linux scales.
Unfortunately what we will get with Windows 7 is a rehashed Vista core (which in turn was a redeveloped Win 2003 core). What M$ should do is start again from scratch and offer backward compatibility via virtualisation.
I can see it now: “2010 – Windows 7, 1GB+ OS, requiring 4GB or RAM just to run, but it is so much better than OS 10.5!” Oops that was s/w back in 2008, darn MSFT still behind with a bigger White Elephant.
This article amuses me for a simple reason, it is confirming my strong beliefs that the entire mac community is founded on one bearing principle, your all so technically illiterate it nears the point of retardation. Well done.
While your reading this article do not forget to quote your founders expert opinion and coincidentally sales pitch:
“its easy, anyone can use a mac”
Well he was right on that at least.
@ Neil
At least Mac users don’t get “your” and “you’re” confused.
“Nell” sez: “This article amuses me for a simple reason, it is confirming my strong beliefs that the entire mac community is founded on one bearing principle, your all so technically illiterate it nears the point of retardation. Well done.”
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Only a tard troll would say something so ignorant. No Nell, a hardy ‘well done’ to you. How embarrassing. PLEASE don’t use a Mac. I hate it when total morons call me up for technical help. </slam>
Gotta hand it to those trolls. A laugh riot.
Microsoft Company Song, aka Ballmer’s Tune:
http://sounds.wavcentral.com/televis/renstimp/bemonkey.mp3
Windows shutdown sound:
http://members.tripod.com/~Joy111970/adream.wav
For god sake derek try not to write such long posts.
btw from here it looks like you’re the one that got slammed. Go join the PS3 fanboys, you’ll fit in better with the 12 year olds.