“Apple Inc. this week began testing Mac OS X 10.5.3 Update, a third maintenance and security update to its relatively new Leopard operating system that already bundles over 75 bug fixes and code corrections,” AppleInsider reports.
“The Mac maker on Thursday informed its vast developer community of the availability of Mac OS X 10.5.3 Build 9D10, a pre-release copy of the software update featuring a core focus list spanning some two dozen core components,” AppleInsider reports.
More in the full article here.
I’m sure it will be very snappy!
I’m guessing they’re gonna rename Leopard to ‘OS X Snappy’
seems rather quick after the last 10.5.2 update.
we might run out of numbers again and go to 10.5.11 before 10.6 comes out.
They need to improve it. Start of the week: one desktop and one server upgraded to Leopard provoking networking and applications (CS3) problems. Today: re-installed Tiger on both machines.
My impression is that Leopard is fine for the iMac home user brigade but for us power users, it doesn’t cut the mustard.
It fixed everything wrong with my Mac Pro 2008
… it really is snappier-er
Take precautions. Those seeds are mildly poisonous.
Apple,
I’m glad to see Dashboard on the list. PLEASE do something with it! It seems to be completely untouched in Leopard (vs. Tiger). Dashboard has the potential to be the biggest productivity booster ever implemented on OS X (yes, in my opinion, more so than Expose or Spaces). But, it still doesn’t load widgets upon boot up (or even waking from sleep) – you still have to wait several seconds the first time you launch it, even if that is hours after you booted up.
Also, Dashboard Spaces! Hello?!?!? The concept is staring you right in the face.
I would love to set up 6 Dashboard Spaces – one for work, one for play, and one for each of the 4 seasons.
@ Dirty Pierre le Punk:
With the exception of one botched 10.5.2 upgrade (which was solved by going to an earlier Time Machine backup and re-upgrading) and not being able to print to my copiers that were manufactured in the early Jurassic period, Leopard has worked extremely well in my office. I can only speak for myself, obviously, but I’ve been very happy with it. Also, my boss telecommutes, and the screen-sharing in Leopard has been great for us – better than other 3rd party solutions we’ve tried. Not just for the iMac home user brigade…
My guess is that Leopard really wasn’t ready for primetime. 10.5.1 was really 10.5.0 and 10.5.2 was really a dot one and a half update. 10.5.3 is more likely what they would have liked 10.5.2 to have been.
The .3 update has always brought a few new features to the OS. I hope the same is true with Leopard and even with the .4 update!
I’m tired of watching Mail quit on a regular basis. I don’t know what is causing it, but it happens on more than one Mac here. (FCP is also giving me problems on another Mac.) I hope 10.5.3 will address all.
Hope this will fix my broke iCal!!!!!!!!
Leopard and Adobe CS3 don’t play well together at all.
10.5.2 fixed one Photoshop problem, but now I’ve got others.
Takes FOREVER to quit CS3 apps, to the point where I have to force quit them.
I assume this is more a problem (bugs) with Adobe and not Leopard.
Anyone else have problems with CS3? Solutions?
‘Bout f-ing time. 10.5.2 really screwed my pooch. Was considering calling the ASPCA.
MDN magic word: second. As in I’m sure many people second my opinion
When do we get the update?
Genius
I really hope this fixes bonjour on my airport network.
I haven’t been able to print wirelessly since I got leopard. Never EVER had problems with wireless printing until 10.5 rolled into my life.
Still running 10.4.11 as my day-to-day OS, but have 10.5.2 on an external that I boot up every couple of weeks when the updates come out.
I haven’t yet felt that Leopard is must.
@eWorldian
Yeah… I also hate that when I close Acrobat I alway get a dialogue box that states the the application unexpectedly quit. No it didn’t! I quit the damn app!!!
Every update has made my Mac snappier. In fact, my Mac is now so damn snappy, it finishes tasks before I request them! In fact, I loaded this page to find that my Mac had already entered this comment for me! Now that’s f’in snappy!
——RM
@ dirty pierre: learn how to use a Mac
Running Leopard on both a PowerMac G4 DP 1.0 GB MDD and a MacBook Core Duo 2.0 GB since it came out, and the only issues were with networking in the beginning. After the first networking update, those issues disappeared and all has been well since.
Mail has never crashed on either machine. Screen sharing and file sharing both work great!
@ Genius – some “genius” you are if you have to ask that question.
@ cubert – I also wish the dashboard widgets would load faster (perhaps in the background when the Mac is otherwise idle). But don’t you think that loads of widgets running as you suggest (in spaces) would cause the cpu to bog down? It seems to me that many of my widgets –even the simple world clocks– use way too much cpu time, even when they are supposed to be “inactive”.
The 10.5.2 update and the airport update fixed all my whines.
Keep tweaking away Apple, Leopard is great and keeps getting better.
@Some Dude,
“Bout f-ing time. 10.5.2 really screwed my pooch.”
Holy crap!!! That’s one horny install disc!
They say that the large majority of Leopard problems have to do with the method used to install it.
Straight Upgrade: BAD
Archive & Install: Good
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20080109132202261&query=leopard+upgrade
BEST: Erase & Install
Install Leopard using the Erase & (clean) Install method.
Then let the migration Assistant do it’s thing.
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20071129085054744&query=leopard+upgrade
I waited until 10.5.1 before installing Leopard. but first installed it onto an external drive to get used to it and also to do fresh installations of a lot of different applications so I’d get a real fresh start once I took the plunge.
I must say, I’ve had very few problems. The ones I did have were mainly minor incompatibilities.
@drmacnut,
I agree that under its current implementation, Dashboard Spaces would grind your CPU to a halt. But, it doesn’t have to be that way! In a Garbage Collected environment, processes should be automatically released when not used, hence freeing up memory and CPU cycles. Currently, the widgets continue to run continuously in the background (without updating themselves somehow), which they should not (biggest example – HulaGirl). Apple could have the most recently active widgets (in my spaces concept) refresh every 60 seconds or so and even stagger their refreshing. The widgets in the “not most recently used” spaces could refresh when Dashboard is activated (and switching to that space is possible).
Also, are you the guitar-playing Dr. Mac Nut?
@Mr. Reeee,
I ALWAYS do a fresh install and I have NEVER had an OS problem because of a major upgrade. It does seem to me that when Leopard first came out over 90% of those with issues did not do a clean install. Some of the people who were bitching had done archive and installs from 10.0 onward! Holy crap, by doing that you are asking for trouble no matter what OS on this planet you are using!
My upgrade from 10.4 went very smoothly (used archive & install), as did all the upgrades in my office. 10.5.0 actually ran pretty well for me. On the other hand, both 10.5.1 and 10.5.2 introduced some weird behaviors, mostly at the application level. I have noticed that the system seems to “hang” on my first-gen MBP every so often — it appears to be very busy writing files. I suspect this has to do with either Spotlight or Time Machine. All-in-all, I still think Leopard is the best OS I have ever used. I just wish I had time in my life to do wipe my drive and do a clean install…
“Take precautions. Those seeds are mildly poisonous.”
but in the right dose they’ll make you trip your balls off!
“they’ll make you trip your balls off!”
It would be better if they tripped your balls on. Right?
Leopard and Adobe CS don’t play well together at all.
Archive & Install: Good, did that but Photoshop quits every time I go to the browser.
Tried to reinstall Tiger but now computer won’t recognize the disc!
Tiger was solid, wish I’d stayed in Tiger land!
Sometimes I un-bind F12 from Dashboard so that I don’t accidently load it, typically when I’m going to be sans network. At those times I don’t want the dashboard and its widgets to load at all.
For the first time I hit F12 I’m willing to wait for it to load.
Cubert…
Just checking… ;^)
Yeah. I’d been doing the Erase and Install (manually moving over prefs, etc, and later using Migration Assistant) since 10.0.
My Tiger User prefs folder had over 1300 files, not including folder contents! The system was having all kinds of weirdnesses and by the end, my Tiger install was so incredibly flaky I decided that when I moved to Leopard, I’d reinstall ALL my apps and reenter ALL my serial numbers, etc.. I did it over a month or so by booting to an external drive with virgin copy of Leopard installed.
It was a pain in the butt, though worth the effort. My Prefs folder is down to 430 files & folders!!! Leopard is running smooth as silk!
I hope this fixes my MBP waking up from sleep and hanging for 5 minutes and sometimes finally coming back with the video all jumpy. SUCKS when that happens
@ Cubert – yes, I play guitar (not very well, though) and I live in Hawaii. Interesting you mentioned the “HulaGirl” widget; I’ll have to try it! Anyway, I like your ideas for releasing and/or staggering widget processes – let’s hope Apple does it! Thanks for the reply BTW.
Also, I always do a clean install when moving from one major OS release to another, and once in a while, I’ll do a clean install or at least an Archive & Install when I’ve got some cr@pware stuck in my system which I can’t seem to root out. Which leads me to…
@Ralph M – I am also trying to work out the cause of sporadic system slowdown I’m getting on my own MBP under 10.5.2 which happens after I try to use QuickLook or QuickTime to play certain .mp4 or .mov files (H.264) which I have brought in and transcoded from YouTube .flv files. QuickTime is experiencing an ridiculous error which logs itself into the system.log file about a gazillion times over, sending the syslogd process up to 130% cpu usage and writing syslog files which stretch into the 300+ MB range. For you, try running either TOP (in Terminal) or even just Activity Monitor to see what is going on when your system slows down. Also, run the Console and look at your system.log or the Console Messages to see what is coming up. Perhaps this will help you nab the culprit. For me, I think perhaps there is a QT extension like my DIVX encoder that is causing the problem. Also, you mentioned Spotlight; do you have Office 2008 in your MBP? I disabled the Office Spotlight .mdimporter files and that helped quite a bit with previous slowdowns I was experiencing.
All that being said, I am still in the testing phases trying to work out the exact cause of the slowdown problems. It may take some time.
@ Dirty Pierre le Punk:
Clearly you have issues above and beyond Leopard. I work in a team of 10 in a full pipeline producing content ranging from Video Editing, to Motion Graphics, to full bore 3D Animation, to DVD Authoring. We all use Macs and are all now on Leopard with the exception being 2 machines dedicated to Audio production and post, and only then because many plugin devs in that universe are dragging their heels.
Granted, 10.5.0 and 10.5.1 had some real issues that were very counter-productive, but since 10.5.2, we have had no major problems at all, and the build feels very solid.
I think you need to fire your IT guy…
Maybe it will crash more.
Since leopard I haven’t had any issues running adobe creative suite cs3 premium. The only problem is running maya 8. It will quit randomly without notice. So I installed tiger on an external drive and installed maya 8 on that and it works fine and I think it’s better to have the app on another drive with nothing else on it… keeps me focused on only that and not going into irc or playing around in photoshop.
I have Adobe CS2 running on a G4 iBook with OS 10.4 and CS3 on a Macbook Pro wth OS 10.5. Adobe apps close slowly on both of them. I do not attribute this to the OS but to the Adobe apps. The applications do great things but they sure are “turds” in other ways. They eat up huge amounts of RAM they load and close slowly and they get “lost” from time to time. Four gigs of RAM is not always enough for them. I do not know how much would be enough.
Has anyone put Office 2008 on their Macs yet? It seems like a real dog. It’s slower to start up Word 2008 (Universal, 12.0.1) on my MBP than it was when Rosetta was translating Word 2004’s PPC code on the same machine. It certainly does not seem to handle loading user fonts very efficiently and just sits there apparently doing nothing while starting up, although it uses between 10 and 70 percent of the cpu cycles.
And when Word finally does start, it seems to be very busy doing something in the background, causing the cursor to become unresponsive as Word buffers what I type and then blurts it out in short bursts for at least the first 30 seconds until the whole thing calms down. What a mess.
FYI: I use Nisus Writer Pro for all my real work. I do have to test out all other software, however, so I can do training, troubleshooting, etc. So please don’t make the mistake of thinking I like Office. hahaha
” width=”19″ height=”19″ alt=”rolleyes” style=”border:0;” />
iCal definitely needs a major tweaking. It tends to lock up or crash when trying to post data on the calendar page. Fix please. Make it snappier.
I hope Mail gets a fix or two… Sometimes, for no reason known to be, it becomes picky about which files it lets me drag and drop as attachments…
Very annoying to compose an email and all of a sudden it won’t let me drag an attachment on. Then I have to create a new email and copy / paste everything from the draft, or even sometimes, quit Mail and launch it again…
There are two issues I’ve encountered: suddenly I can’t print anything in color accurately using profiles that worked fine under Tiger; and also, 10.5.2 refuses to mount any kind of burned media that worked just fine under 10.5.1 (incidentally, the same discs mounted just fine under Tiger, but not 10.5.0).
Leopard and Adobe CS3 don’t play well together at all.
10.5.2 fixed one Photoshop problem, but now I’ve got others.
Takes FOREVER to quit CS3 apps, to the point where I have to force quit them. —eWorldian
Don’t be so quick to blame either Adobe or Leopard. I am running Adobe CS 3 Production Premium in OS X 10.5.2 without a problem. All my CS3 apps open and close very quickly compared to previous versions. There is a set of best practices that should be observed when upgrading (or updating) OS X. My guess is that the majority of those who experience problems such as yours do not observe these practices.
By the way, for those who may be running Adobe CS: Photoshop CS did not behave properly in Leopard prior to the 10.5.2 update, but seems to be running fine now.
I’m tired of watching Mail quit on a regular basis. I don’t know what is causing it, but it happens on more than one Mac here. — Hg Wells
Again, this may not be a Leopard problem. Mail doesn’t quit on my Macs, nor have I seen evidence on the web of a widespread problem with Mail. The fact that you see this behavior on two Macs may indicate that the cause has something to do with the other software installed on these two machines, or with the way these machines are configured.
I must confess that I do have a Mail problem of my own: Mail sometimes refuses to quit and must be force-quit on these occasions. Not a big deal, but I’ll be happy when it goes away.
I wish that Startup ( Boot times ) would improve. When my iMac Core 2 Duo had Tiger, It would take 20 seconds to boot. Now with leopard it takes over 45 seconds.
I’ve even done a clean install, & added 3 GB of Ram which is the limit & no improvement.
Thats what I miss about Tiger.
I hope it fixes the intermittent problem that myself and others are experiencing on their MacBook Pros running 10.5.2 on battery power:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1390673
I think I’ll stick with Tiger 10.4.11 for my MPB C2D after hearing you guys. I just wish I still had 10.4.10, that was better.
Why is it that when people update their OS and it doesn’t work well they assume that it doesn’t work well for anyone, and bleat accordingly?
It leads to people like ‘silverhawk’ there who won’t upgrade because 6 people have had problems.
“Why is it that when people update their OS and it doesn’t work well they assume that it doesn’t work well for anyone, and bleat accordingly?”
Because anecdotal experience carries so much more weight for the individual than the empirical evidence of a larger population of users. Doesn’t make it right, but…
“@ dirty pierre: learn how to use a Mac”
I thought that was the point of buying a Mac–that people didn’t have to learn how to use it because it was so intuitive… ;o)
I just installed 10.5.3 and now nothing works well. My adobe applications barely open or work properly. Firefox has crashed on me a few times and I just installed it this morning. I’m not happy right now.
Just upgraded from 10.5.2 to 10.5.3 and it doesn’t
even boot up!! My macbook pro is now a brick 🙁