“Apple has begun warning users that its beta Boot Camp software for running Windows on an Intel-based Mac will expire at the end of October,” MacNN reports.
Apple “last week posted a technical support document indicating that some versions of the beta software have already expired and that the latest version will expire when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard ships in October,” MacNN reports.
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MacCrazy is on crack. Leopard does not have Windows support built in. Apple has said as much publicly. Apple advertises Parallels and VMWare as Windows solutions along with Bootcamp. They are different solutions.
Run Parallels/Bootcamp when you want to run Windows or other OSes when you are running Mac OS X. You may use Bootcamp to reboot into Windows, but only a few versions are supported. Since most versions of Vista do not support VM licensing, then Bootcamp is your only choice there.
I’m running Leopard now. It’s got some bugs in the developer version. Some bug, like the lack of headphone support and scroll bars that resize several times a second seem deliberate to prevent piracy.
Other than that it’s pretty stable. Leopard is not Apple’s Vista in any stretch. There aren’t that many OMG features, most of the updates are improvements in user flow, clearer interfaces and huge updates under the hood. Things like app and user migration are improved. Upgrading from Tiger to Leopard was flawless for me and all I had to do is make some changes in httpd.conf since Apache is now version 2.2 and stores that file in a different location. Now Leopard is my primary machine.
Time machine “just works”. It makes you wonder why all other backup software is so ridiculously complicated.
Where Vista (and XP) bothers the user about every crazy thing, Leopard’s policy is “don’t ask don’t tell” most of the time. For instance, you have to go the the Time Machine pref (or console I imagine) pane to find out if it failed. However, if you yank your USB key or firewire drive before ejecting in the Finder it’ll nasty-gram you.
Faster? Than what? I’d need a slower machine to tell you if I notice. It’s not slower.
First the glossy-only iMacs and MacBooks.
Then iMovie Junior.
Then the iBrick.
Now Boot Camp might be DOA at the end of the month?
I don’t know what Applesoft is planning next, but I bet we’re a lot closer to the iRevolt among us long and loyal Apple customers.
Donna, try crossover for mac – It runs IE6 for windows without running windows! I use it to access my MLS intranet and it works fine! You can try it for free too.
Worth a bash!
And the fee!
Donna,
Some web developers insist upon using Microsoft specific tools that only work with Internet Explorer and/or Windows. The most prominent of these is ActiveX, but there are others. When developers do this instead of using the established web standards you end up with sites that don’t work properly with other browsers or operating systems. The MLS system needs to be rewritten, but that likely won’t happen because the Realtor lobby is deathly afraid of losing control of it. (which of course is a separate issue from your question)
I seem to remember somewhere on the Website that Boot Camp will be available for Tiger as a paid for download, possibly a Serial Number scheme?
There is of course an easy solution that I’m suprised nobody has mentioned yet…
…go 100% OS X and stick with the tried, tested, reliable Tiger. Sure, there are a few bugs remaining, but overall Tiger is the best OS i have used to date.
I’m surprised that haven’t announced the release date yet.
“…Apple “last week posted a technical support document indicating that some versions of the beta software have already expired and that the latest version will expire when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard ships in October,”
Confused, Reality Check and Shawn,
If what you are saying is correct, then what does the above quote mean when they say some versions have already expired?
Seems a bit misleading.
Donna,
I work for an MLS that uses IE specific applications, as far as they tell us there are things that are programmed for use with active x controls and with .Net that will only work with IE. We have plenty of members that request something that will run on something other than IE, not ever Safari or Firefox work on windows, let alone on Mac. The agents I have seen using Macs are using Parallels or Fusion with pretty good success and no need to reboot. Good Luck!
Donna, I second Alan’s recommendation – try a trial of Crossover Mac, which runs some Windows software, including IE6 quite well. Must less memory and storage intensive. You do need an Intel Mac, though:
http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
My niece went to Mac, and the only thing she missed was her Quicken on Windows (more capability than the Mac version)- she tried and subsequently bought Crossover Mac and is a happy camper. You don’t have to boot into Windows or even install Windows – it’s pretty cool, but it doesn’t work for a lot of important apps. It does, however, run IE 6 quite well, I have tested that myself.
Donna, I don’t know what the site is supposed to look like but the login screen looks usable (and normal size) to me in both Safari and Opera. I haven’t counted lately, but my last count showed more than 12 browsers available for Mac. More than one allow IE mimicking and some have other creative features. But I think the other suggestions here might help and I would be very interested in your getting MLS working. I hope you complain on a regular basis to them. Their keep-my-job-I’m-Microsoft-certified-so-Microsoft-is-best excuses for not having it run on a Mac make my stomach turn. One such excuse is that they can’t guarantee a secure environment on the Mac. Good luck finding a work around!
I AM NOT ON CRACK!!
10.5 DOES indeed run Windows apps without Windows being visible. But it has to be installed.
LISTEN HERE!!
Apple is making sure one has to run Mac OS X in order to run Windows.
That’s the reason “bootcamp” is being phased into 10.5.
Windows is to be the “lesser OS” under 10.5.
1: Install Mac OS X.
2: It will ask if you want to install Windows.
3: You stick a Windows cd in.
4: Mac OS X does everything.
5: You reboot, you got Windows apps running in Mac OS X or.
6: You have a choice to switch between the two OS’s using fast user switching. or
7; You have the choice to boot Windows solely, but you can’t get rid of Mac OS X. It will be a choice and not a pernament option.
this way Mac’s won’t be PC’s.
the whole purpose of this is to allow Windows losers to be able to keep their investment in software as they switch completely over to OS X.5.
Windows will be “sandboxed” by Mac OS X, even if you boot Windows and it appears to be only Windows, it still will be Mac OS X underneath insulating Windows from the internet.
This is going to be the new campaign. Mac’s run Windows SAFER than PC’s
BANK ON IT!!
@Donna,
Darkness is pretty much correct. It sounds like it’s not your Mac per se, as much as it is the web developers didn’t optimized the MLS stuff to work on anything but IE… which is dumb. Basically, the only thing that can be done about this problem is have them reprogram the site… but that’ll require ’em to do work, so it’ll prob not happen easily, if at all. You’ll prob have to get some sorta petition going to let ’em know a LOT of ppl don’t wanna use crappy IE… that’s the real security hole! That’s prob about the only thing you’ll be able to do on your end to resolve this issue… i mean, IE, who still uses that crappy arse browser?!?
don’t take no for an answer… really push the issue, it’s ridiculous to expect someone to have to bounce around browsers just to view your site. Any good web designer/programmer knows you only have about a 2 sec window of opp to keep someone interested in a site… if it doesn’t load quickly enuff or properly or is hard to navigate, ppl will move on, never looking back. Unfortunately, y’all need MLS so they kinda gotcha on that aspect. Good luck on trying to change and inform the ignorant!
2 things are goign to happen here… 1. Bootcamp will go gold, and Apple will start charging, and 2. Leopard will support Windows apps nativly.
Windows will not stop working, as far as I can tell. It seems that it will just stop you from restoring your partition or creating a new one.
“…Apple “last week posted a technical support document indicating that some versions of the beta software have already expired and that the latest version will expire when Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard ships in October,” “
If Boot Camp is going to continue to run as some say, then why does the above quote say that some versions have already expired? It’s a bit mis-leading..
“ASS VICTIMS “
Yes, Apple is victimizing your ass again.
You don’t have a problem. As others have pointed out, your Bootcamp partition won’t stop working. You just won’t be able to create new partitions. That’s not such a big deal and, in fact, it’s quite reasonable for Apple to do this.
Wow, Thank you all for the help..
Sorry about my double post, I didn’t realize there were two pages of comments here.
Anyway, thanks to Darkness for that explanation and Alan, I am going to try IE6 as you suggested.
Thanks a bunch.
It used to be that you could go 3-6 months between Apple assraping it’s customers, so that the bleeding had time to heal.
Now it happens every few days to a week max. How many fanboys are starting to get tired of the relentless pounding?
MDN. Why don’t you put a second page link at the top of the first page? This will allow the user to go straight to the active part of the discussion, rather than scrolling down to the bottom of the first page to click the link. Or tell me why not. Thanks. Ron.
Boot Camp Beta was just that, beta. They warn you the user even before you install it that it WILL EXPIRE. They inform you that this will be a feature in Leopard 10.5. So Donna you have nothing to complain about and if you are using Boot Camp then you could create a separate partition to install leopard and setup Boot Camp.
Then run Boot Camp when you need it but still be able to go to Tiger for your OSX needs if you are so scared about Leopard. So you’ll have the best of 3 worlds, Tiger, Leopard, and Boot Camp.
Sure it will be a little work involved getting it going but then you are not forced to use leopard as your main OSX system should there be incompatibilities. Problem solved.
Donna, it isn’t anything that you or your Mac are or are not doing, its the way the site is developed. As a consumer of on online printing services I’ve dropped more than because their sites require IE, and of course as a consumer I have the luxury of simply dropping their service from my bookmarks, but this kind of came to a head when I finally found a service that would let me send unlimited file sized in just about any format I could think of, then I started having problems, then I request tech support and got the dreaded item #1 – Must be using IE. Long story short I dropped them and three months later I got an email saying that their service had better Safari compatiblity – and it did and does.
This doesn’t help you, but just be aware that the contractors hired to develop the site are the culprits, and being MS “partners” they may be doing it wittingly or not. My real-world experience with MS “partners” is that it can go either way, but the point is that web sites really should not be manufacturer [MS] exclusive.
For whatever it’s worth, when I was buying a home I noticed problems with some of the sites that our agent recommended to us, so I wonder if there isn’t some precedent for finding out who the actual site developers are and bringing your issue to their attention, since it may potentially affect some of you clients as well, and the clients of other agents in your agency.
Just thinking out loud. (Bottom line it’s the people that develop the site.)
One of my friend’s asked a friend of his at apple (god I hate this sort of 57th party commentary) but all he had to say was, “trick or treat”.
“all he had to say was, “trick or treat”.”
Easy answer, by now unless you’re stupid, you know Apple’s going to trick you.
vista here we come!
word: love, as in here i… go.
Donna,
More than likely it is a configuration that they are not doing when they write the code for the website. I am not exactly sure what it is, but I do know that in all of the software programs that I have used to create web pages, it has been an easy setting that I just turn on to make it compatilble with browsers other than IE.