It’s official! Apple this evening sent out email invitations to the media to attend a special event at Moscone West in San Francisco on September 5th at 10am PDT.
“The Beat Goes On,” is a song released by Sonny and Cher in 1967. The phrase also appears on Sonny Bono’s tombstone.
In addition, and perhaps more relevant to Apple’s event (let the speculation begin), the phrase also appeared in The Beatles final press release, issued April 10, 1970:
Spring is here and Leeds play Chelsea tomorrow and Ringo and John
and George and Paul are alive and well and full of hope.
The world is still spinning and so are we and so are you.
When the spinning stops — that’ll be the time to worry, not before.
Until then, the Beatles are alive and well and the beat goes on, the beat goes on.
The albums depicted in Apple’s Cover Flow-inspired invitation artwork (from left to right):
• Keane – Under the Iron Sea
• The Flaming Lips – Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots (Thanks “slayerfran” and “jtmportland”)
• Beastie Boys – The Mix-Up
– Apple’s iPod silhouette artwork with “September 5” text
• MIKA – Life in Cartoon Motion
• Jack Johnson – In Between Dreams
• Sonic Youth – Rather Ripped (Thanks “Tribhanga”)
It’s been rumored that Apple will use the event to debut next-gen Mac OS X-based iPod(s), add TV shows and feature films to iTunes Stores outside the U.S. (UK, France and Germany are the most likely candidates), and perhaps “One more thing.”
For those inclined to some sleuthing: the first songs from each album on Apple’s iTunes Store (in the same left to right order) are as follows:
Atlantic, Fight Test, B for My Name, Grace Kelly, Better Together, Reena
The top songs from each artist on Apple’s iTunes Store (in the same left to right order) are as follows:
Somewhere Only We Know, The W.A.N.D., Fight for Your Right, Grace Kelly, Upside Down, Kool Thing
So, obviously, Grace Kelly will be there. 
My pocket book is about to lose a bit of weight…
NEW IPOD HERE I COME!
que “endless chord”…
The advert is a picture of Cover Flow… could be a sign. Do you think the new iPod has coverflow ability?
Nah, Charles Ives’ “Unanswered Question” …
I’m still hoping Paul finally releases Carnival of Light.
MW: ‘british’
Leopard please. I have enough screen shots.
The Beat Goes On is also the title of Madonna’s new song, produced by Pharrell
The second album from the left is:
The Flaming Lips – Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots
“Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots” by The Flaming Lips… unnamed cover on the left
slayerfran u beat me to it! Awsome album
I wonder why this event is on a wednesday… I thought Apple always announced things on Tuesdays.
I hope it doesn’t have a glossy screen
sorry i am just kidding
Sonic Youth “Rather Ripped” is the last one on the right.
“Ohh.. One more thing. We are going to be offering a Leopard DVD capable of running on non-Apple hardware. If there’s users that don’t want our computers, they should still be able to run OSX.”
One can dream, right?
@Marshall,
Because Monday is Labor Day. It’s not Tuesday that Apple likes, it’s the fact that its removed from the weekend by 2 days.
I’m still hoping Paul finally releases Carnival of Light.
On top of it all, you’re a Beatle nerd – fantastic!
Anyone who’s curious, here’s a write-up on the track:
http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/carnival.htm
Yay. Just yay.
“The advert is a picture of Cover Flow… could be a sign. Do you think the new iPod has coverflow ability?”
I think it would be pretty odd if it didn’t. Finder has Coverflow (well, sort of). iPhone has coverflow. iTunes has coverflow. It would be strange if this new iPod doesn’t. They don’t even need to make it touchscreen to do it, either, a scroll wheel would work.
I just hope the One More Thing… is a new mac tower/mini-tower situated in the $1800-2200 range, but I’m sure I’ll be disappointed again. For the first time I can remember, I don’t really want any of the macs Apple has available. I mean, a Mac Pro would be nice, but not at the price it is.
Nothing of interest for me. I use an ipod until it dies or has no capacity left. The iTunes store is just too expensive in the Land of Oz.
Now a new iMac and Leopard at the end of the year is a definite buy!
However, anything that Apple does that improves their bottom line, market penetration and doesn’t screw their customer base is just fine by me.
Gentlemen, start your rumor engines!
Based on past results, most of what you hear about new iPods in the coming days will prove inaccurate, driven by ineptitude.
@ one more thing: Dream on! (as they say)
@Walter Chillum
“The iTunes store is just too expensive in the Land of Oz. “
So out of interest what store, do you use? here in the – Sunburnt country.
I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror –
The wide brown land for me!
Dorothea Mackellar
Where are the good deals?
keep delivering so i can get back to buying more shares. i dumped everything recently
“I just hope the One More Thing… is a new mac tower/mini-tower situated in the $1800-2200 range,”
There is a Mac tower in the 2200 range- configure with a 2 gig processor. $2200- even. That’s really a capable machine for most people. Oh, you want the 2.66 for that price? Well, as always you get what you pay for.
I hope the Beatles are a part of it, and I hope they actually do a new official “re-master” job on the original recordings….
If anyone has ever heard the unofficial Dr. Ebbetts re-mastering of the Beatles’ albums, they totally blow away (by a large margin) anything Apple has released on CD. Super clean with every little detail in the recording – things you never heard before..
Come on Apple(s), do it right…
Then you clearly don’t understand what we all mean when we say a Mac mid-tower. The mini isn’t it, the iMac isn’t it, and the Pro is overkill. I’m not going to explain it — you either get it, or you don’t.
As an AAPL shareholder, Mac user, and “Windows platform” user, I am interested in your personal needs which can’t be fulfilled by Apple’s current product line. I’m not trying to be confrontational in any way, so please don’t construe this in that way.
Could you please explain to me the need that you have that can’t be provided by either a mini or the iMac. I own several of both for personal and professional use. I do understand that the Pro is overkill for most, especially in my business.
I think Apple believes that they have a big enough overlap is consumer needs, and that a large number (probably a majority) of people that purchase a mid-tower with the intent of upgrading never actually upgrade, but rather end up buying another machine.
Absolutely no doubt that it is indeed an introduction of the Beatles production at iTunes Store.
We got some hints in the CoverFlow picture.
The album with Beastie Boys left has nearly the same cover as Beatles album “Magical Mystery Tour”, you can see it here:
And the cover from Mikas album to the right looks very much like Beatles album “Yellow Submarine”, you can see it here:
And new iPods are indeed very welcome!
Never mind all that, I’m desperately waiting for the damn announcement on when the iPhone will be released in the UK!!
OK, I’ll throw my hat in the ring.
Here’s what I hope/predict
1) New proper Touch iPods that operate/look like iPhones
(I think everyone expects this)
2) New Wide/fat Nanos (We’ve already seen the pics)
3) “One more thing” will be the Beatles. Its the perfect thing to round up the presentation – play out on a Beatles tune and there isn’t a great deal to say about it other then “They are available now”
Fears (I hope I’m wrong)
1) Europe will not get the new iPods yet as the iPhone hasn’t even launched here yet.
2) The New Ipods will be Flash Based and therefore offer a reduced maximum capacity on what has gone before.
@ Grigori
Indeed. My mother was a McCartney worshiper and she raised me right. I lost hope that we would ever hear Carnival until Paul started talking about it recently, and if Smile can be released after so long, then maybe there’s hope!
-c
MW: ‘hope’
Paul started talking about it recently, and if Smile can be released after so long, then maybe there’s hope!
But I get the feeling that Brian “needed” to finish SMiLE as a form of therapy. I doubt Carnival means as much to Paul, and as a Beatles fan, although I’d like to hear it, it doesn’t get me as excited as say, “What’s the New Mary Jane” did…
Over & Over the crow flies uncover the cornfield!
OOOhhh Yeah. Payday next thursday and I have about 1K in ot to blow. Hmmmmmm.
“If there’s users that don’t want our computers, they should still be able to run OSX.””
Why would you even want that? I don’t understand this fascination with running OSX on non-Apple hardware.
I agree with Solidstate.
I’m guessing that a new iPod was developed at the same time as the iPhone.
The new iPod:
Similar form factor to the iPhone with widescreen, touch interface and CoverFlow.
Music, photos and video.
No Safari, e-mail or phone.
Camera, calculator, photos and clock widgets.
Possibly simple games but only if an iPhone update gets them as well.
No brown models, points or squirting.
I don’t think it will cannabalize iPhone sales as it will serve a large market that doesn’t need or want a new cellphone.
@Macromancer
Why would you even want that? I don’t understand this fascination with running OSX on non-Apple hardware.
That’s because you understand very little about computers in general. Like most of the fanboys here, you have bought the Apple PR and believe that there is something “magical” about Mac hardware…. There is not. It is the same as a Acer, HP, Dell, or Gateway. Packaged up in a pretty case and costing a few extra bucks for the inclusion of a TPM and EFI instead of Bios…
For the most part, non-Apple hardware is more configureable, more update-able, and a much better value that Apple Hardware.
Shoeman: I’ll bet you could be a lot more condescending, arrogant and insulting if you just tried harder. Anyone else want in on this bet?
Maybe Mika will be the special guest performance. They always seem to have those at these “special events.” He doesn’t have any concerts scheduled, so he’s free!
MW: Response. I hope the response to Sept 5 is better than the one for the iMacs…
No Squirt for You: “I’m guessing that a new iPod was developed at the same time as the iPhone.
The new iPod:
Similar form factor to the iPhone with widescreen, touch interface and CoverFlow.
Music, photos and video.
No Safari, e-mail or phone.
Camera, calculator, photos and clock widgets.
Possibly simple games but only if an iPhone update gets them as well.”
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Aw come on, why no wi-fi/bluetooth? The possibilities are endless, even without the phone part.
@ shoeman, you sound as if you should able to put a BMW engine in your Toyota. You want to pay bare for barebones but have the Mac Experience. If hardware is all equal, why do people say that Vista runs better on a Mac than it does on a PC it was designed for? Answer, Better hardware.
“and one thing,…. Let them eat Cake!!!”
@NSFY
Shoeman: I’ll bet you could be a lot more condescending, arrogant and insulting if you just tried harder. Anyone else want in on this bet?
I could be, but in this case I am not attempting to be. I am simply stating the “facts”…. Yes, I build computer systems and have done so for years. Unfortunately, most Mac users are so ignorant of hardware that they consider anyone who is knowledgeable in simple tasks such as changing out a video card as a “tinkerer”…
Let’s face it, the majority of Mac users neither know nor care what is inside that “Gorgeous” Mac they have on their desk. Gosh Golly Gee, It’s Just works!!!!!!!!!
Obviously by the fact that you consider me “condescending, arrogant and insulting” makes it clear that you have no desire to learn anything.
I Know, I know, You don’t really understand it, but it’s better because “Steve Said So”!! WOOOOOO HOOOOOO
“Aw come on, why no wi-fi/bluetooth?”
That’s possible. Good point on Wi-Fi. If true, then add in the ‘net widgets like Google Maps, stocks, weather, etc.
I’m also hoping for a better battery. One can hope.
But bluetooth? Not so sure.
Shoeman, maybe Apple realise that only having to tailor their software to their machines is both easier for them and better for the product in terms of stability and quality. Even if they released OS X for other machines and offered no support for drviers etc it would only serve to harm the public image of their product if there were problems or if a particular manufacturers hardware was shoddy. They may prefer to hold their own destiny in their hands.
It’s not about hardware + software, it’s about computers and more lately devices. Devices that look a certain way, function a certain way and have an overall feel to them due to Apple being able to make them the way they want them. You could argue that certain areas of the product may not be as strong as offerings from other manufacturers, but that’s Apple’s choice, and your choice as to whether you use them.
Microsoft decided to license their stuff to anyone and everyone and that has benefited them, but it’s also causing them lots of problems. Problems Apple doesn’t want and compromises Apple doesn’t want to make.
If buying a computer was about getting the best raw specs then most of the computers on the planet would be obsolete. I bought a G4 mac mini which is now terribly underpowered but it does a job and it does it in a way that I much prefer to some cobbled together solution from a variety of different parties.
@ Marko
If hardware is all equal, why do people say that Vista runs better on a Mac than it does on a PC it was designed for? Answer, Better hardware.
Wooooo Hoooooo… There’s the Proof!!!!!!!! “People Say it!!!!” Wooooo Hooooooo!!!!!!!!! And better yet, STEVE Says it!!!! That makes it fact!!!!!!
Why not go learn something instead of listening what “People Say”… I’ve been inside them both and unlike you, I understand the interworkings of the design . Same stuff.
Oh and by the way, I have a homebuilt running OSX 86 that dusts everyone of my “Real” Macs… And I don’t even need to remove 60 screws to change the HDD.,.
Shoeman (the artist formerly known as Macdude, given his particular form of OCD) is a troll who has appeared here from time to time under various names to provoke fights over the advantages of Apple’s software and hardware over the gray little boxes provided by the dwindling community known as PC manufacturers (given that Gateway swallowed Packard-Bell and was simultaneously swallowed by Acer).
Let’s give Shoeman a challenge: as he’s such an expert on both the construction and marketing of personal computers and their operating systems, it should be no problem for him to either start a volume PC manufacturing concern of his own (with a target of one million units/quarter within three years). All he has to do is put his genius on display by writing a business plan and get a venture capital firm to back him.
I wish him well.
“Obviously by the fact that you consider me “condescending, arrogant and insulting” makes it clear that you have no desire to learn anything.”
That’s the funniest contradiction I’ve read today.
Thanks! I guess if the shoe fits . . .
I think we got it pretty much figured out
1: Glossy screen iPods with Coverflow (glossy not a problem as we don’t stare at iPhones too often and the small size makes it easily tilt away from glare, unlike computer screens)
2: Beatles remastered and ready to join iTunes, because nobody is buying their music on cd anymore, because their music is old and a bout on iTunes wouldn’t hurt.
3: New iPods will run Mac OS X, tilt sensor to be hacked within a week to run all sorts of other things. iTunes to sell better iPod games.
4: New iPods will sport a Intel processor, basically be a handheld computer capable of running basic apps. Although it will need to be hacked to do so.
Place your bets…
“Why not go learn something instead of listening what “People Say”
“Let’s face it, the majority of Mac users neither know nor care . . .”
A bit hypocritical there, Shoestring.
” An one more thing….. Apple laptops have been one the most fastest selling computers this past year. NPD statitics has shown that 1 in 4 laptops is a mac. The Macbook Pro line is one of the highly demanding and versatile laptops. That is just about to get better…with the new MacBook Pro Ultra……..”
One can dream yes?
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Shoeman (the artist formerly known as Macdude, given his particular form of OCD)
Ahhhh, wrong. The other handles I have used here are “Typical MDN User” and “Mindless Fanboy”… I have no idea who “Macdude” is it’s obvious that you don’t either…
is a troll
Your def: Anyone who dares question Apple, Inc or Steve Jobs
dwindling community known as PC manufacturers
Yes, yes, … I know the poor “Beleaguered” makers wish they only had 6% of the US market and 2.2% of the worldwide market. Apple PC are HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean only 98 out of 100 people on this planet use something else.. WOOOO Hooo Go Apple!!!!!!!
Let’s give Shoeman a challenge:
Ahhh, Let’s not. Shoeman is an Adult with a successful career. Maybe when you grow up you can impress us all by creating a a business. Ask mommy for a little help on creating a business plan of your own….
How much would you be willing to pay for a copy of OSX for PC?
Shoeman
“Let’s face it, the majority of Mac users neither know nor care what is inside that “Gorgeous” Mac they have on their desk. Gosh Golly Gee, It’s Just works!!!!!!!!!”
You have it right and wrong; Right: Mac’s just work! Wrong:
We do not care what is on the inside. You do not read too many of the Mac related blogs do you?
Wow Shoeman! If only this world had more people like you full of hate and a very big head, this world would be a chitty place to live. This is not a pwning ground to bash others. Let give shoeman a round of applause for his lack of maturity! Woooo Hooo!
“He who has the most toys, still dies anyways”
macbones, A Mac midi would be of considerable value to someone with an iMac budget but a greater need to beef the system up – a little. Like, to add 8 GB of RAM and/or a monster graphics card and/or an internal 2-disk RAID. We’re talking about a slightly customized and buffed Mac mini, here, not a Mac Pro. Single (dual core) CPU, no chance of the extra. No room for non-graphic cards, or maybe for just one. Four RAM slots for low-cost memory. EASY ACCESS. We’re not talking about some Pro-Sumer monster box here, just a box that can handle games as well as light web design, light database work, light print design, light … got the picture? Or, perhaps, someone could build an external … no, wouldn’t handle a card.
DLMeyer – the Voice of G.L.Horton’s Stage Page Pod Cast
Question: Where will Paul, Ringo, and John’s son be next week? Will Steve accomplish what no one else has done in the past? Queue up the old Saturday night live skit with Lauren Michaels.
? No chance of an early Leopard release ??
or at least vouchers with all new macs
@Hey Shoeman!
How much would you be willing to pay for a copy of OSX for PC?
Tell ya what Little Boy, .. How much are YOU willing to pay? I am currently running a version of OSX 10.10 that I patched myself with a N4L-VM DH and a Core Duo..
On second thought never mind. Patching an OS may be a little difficult for you Mac Fanboys…
Gosh Golly Gee, my Mac just works!!!
“Shoeman is an Adult with a successful career.”
Doubtful. But Shoe-bacca definitely has a big ass chip on his shoulder and enough spare time to insult people.
Hey Moo Shoe Pork, if Mac users like us are so retarded and incapable of your unique and god-like wisdom, aren’t you wasting your enormously precious and successful time?
If you ignore them, they really do go away.
Does anyone remember the Apple patent filing a while back that showed a portable unit control method where one would touch and move his/her finger on the back of the device while an image of the controller would be superimposed on the front screen? The controls image would disappear when gestures on the back of the device were finished. Look for iPods sans clickwheels. Maybe not what is described here, but definitely going the direction of iPhone with virtual touch controls.
“If you ignore them, they really do go away.”
Or you can push them over the edge into a panic attack or a seizure. Either way is good.
Hey Moo Shoe Pork, if Mac users like us are so retarded and incapable of your unique and god-like wisdom, aren’t you wasting your enormously precious and successful time?
because as a Mac and OSX user, I have an interest in the platform. In the early days of computing (I was a member of one of the 1st TRS-80 groups, and ran an early online dial up BBS in 1981) thats what users of similar interest did…
Obviously (I now realize), this forum in not a continuation of that format. Most of the posters here do not want an honest discussion of the platform, but would rather just be Steve Job’s personal cheerleaders..
Perhaps I should consider building a forum of my own for this type of discussion if anyone is interested (or are all Mac users uninterested in honest discussion with the good, bad, and the ugly)??????
You obviously value OSX, but you cannot put a $$$ value on it. Why?
@ NSFY
True. Strychnine works as well.
Shoeman®
Online Douche for over 25 years™.
Shoeman,
How can you possibly start a forum when you can’t even answer a simple question?
“Perhaps I should consider building a forum of my own for this type of discussion . . .”
Or just buy a hundred mirrors and surround yourself with them. It’s cheaper and that way you’ll get the honest and intelligent discourse you’re after.
You’ll woo who?
“Online Douche for over 25 years™.”
I guess you can attract flies with vinegar.
SEE CAVEMEN USING MAC PRODUCTS INCLUDING IPHONES!
THIS IS TERRIBLY FUNNY!
http://www.cavemanscrib.com
Gotta love Geico !
OK, you wimpy fanboys, I’m going to set you straight once and for all… behold, The Shoeman Manifesto version 1.1:
Let me tell you losers something: I’ve been building my own PCs since the late 70s; hell, I was a member of one of the 1st TRS-80 groups. I’m in my 50s now, and I know a WHOLE LOT more about computers than the mess of you. I’ve BOUGHT a whole BUNCH of Macs too; I also bought my wife a big ol’, gas-guzzlin’, environment-hating HUMMER – suck on THAT you bleeding heart liberal MORONS! And it ain’t nobody’s BIZNESS wot I do with all my computers OR my dough!! You dang liberal fanboys tryin’ to tell ME – THE SHOEMAN – wots I can and cain’t do with my own money! You cracks me up!!!
Sure, I think OS X is great – that’s why I’m installing it on all of my personally made, cutting-edge, massive cojones PCs… and boy, do I LOVE UPGRADING my PCs with the latest, greatest hardware, something YOU FRIGTARDS will never do in a MILLION YEARS!!! Your Macs are nothing more than pretty, shiny TOYS you idiots drool on and think are so great… why? Because STEVE SAID SO!!! Your all so BRAINWASHED by Steve, it’s a hoot!!! Fortunately, I’m smarter than the rest of you and I keep my wife and kids on a SHORT LEASH, so there’s no possibility of them joining your stupid CULT!!!!
Woooooooo Hooooooo I loves me some Steve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MY GOD, I LOVE EXCLAMATION POINTS – CAPS, TOO!!!!!!!!!! YOU’RE ALL IDIOTS!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA, A LAND WHERE A MAN CAN BUILD HIS OWN COMPUTERS AND CHOOSE HIS OWN COMPONENTS FER CHEAP AND DO WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS TO WITH THEM – INCLUDING MAKING A TOTAL ASS OUT OF HIMSELF!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO I’M THE SHOEMAN, I’M THE SHOEMAN, NOBODY, BUT NOBODY, BEATS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
except my wife…..
@Shoeman (Fake Shoeman)
OK, you wimpy fanboys, I’m going to set you straight once and for all… behold, The Shoeman Manifesto version 1.1:
You Sir, are an uncouth pig… And make a good case for a user registration system…
If thats the best you can do, it really must suck to be you!
@ Shoeman
Why is it so hard for “computer geeks” (not meant in an derogatory way) to accept that you are not a target customer for Apple. There are, in fact, very few people who want to screw around and configure their own machine. Most people, like my 72 year old mother and my 6 year old daughter, just like a machine that works (and keeps working), and they will pay a premium for it. THe fact that it looks good is a bonus. Apple is trying to sell to THAT demographic, not to you.
My only gripe, because I am also a geek in the sense that I’m not afraid to fix things myself, is that it took me 10 minutes longer to replace the hard drive last weekend in my 1st gen flat panel iMac G4 than it would have taken in a tower. Other than mechanical repair, I don’t have any desire to “configure” my computers either.
I bought a new iMac this weekend for my wife, but the G4 with a new hard drive will work fine for my kids for another 2-3 years, and it’s already nearly 6 years old. What WinTel machine keeps working for 6-8 years?
“You Sir, are an uncouth pig… And make a good case for a user registration system…”
Welcome to the club, honey. When you go big around here, the punters like to shoot you down. I think registration (with anonymous capability) would be the best thing in the world for this site. But I’ve been barking about that for nearly a year with no progress. Good luck with that.
Does this mean the shoe is on the other foot?
And didn’t Engels edit the Shoeman Manifesto and then die from the smell?
Amazing how a thread about an upcoming iPod event disintegrates into this nonsense.
Shoeman, I actually think you make some good points, but why does it have to be so over the top and condescending? Personally, the bit extra Apple charges is worth it for MOST of us for a system that we don’t have to assemble in a hit-or-miss fashion. On top of which, OS X does have to be hacked quite a bit to run on common PCs, and there are frequent compatability problems. Finally, an OS X modified to deal with the myriad of components out there will soon cease to be OS X.
No question, however: Apple leaves the hobbyist PC builder out in the cold. As someone who has assembled a couple of PCs (I don’t have close to your experience), it can be fun. But at the end of the day, I’d just rather work on a Mac. And it’s nothing to do with brainwashing or Steve Jobs.
@critic
Why is it so hard for “computer geeks” (not meant in an derogatory way) to accept that you are not a target customer for Apple.
I disagree… The Mac Pro is a tower design which allows “geeks” to easily add ram, – change, replace, or add drives, change Video Cards, add a third party card (TV Tuner, Sat Receiver, Studio Mixer, or RC Plane Controller), or even (like I did on my G4 Digital Audio) add a new Dual processor board.
My problem is that every other manufacture offers the user (Geek if you must) the ability to easily access the components and make said improvement on even their most basic (cheap) desktops. IMO, Apple Needs this machine.
The iMac and the Mini (a $300 computer priced at $700) are OK throwaway machines, and I agree, OK for Mom… But everyone I know likes to upgrade and keep the old machine up to date. Despite the rants here, people with basic technical knowledge of their hardware are not all “geeks” or “tinkerers”… I suspect they are a lot more common than the Macheads here believe…
I bought a new iMac this weekend for my wife, but the G4 with a new hard drive will work fine for my kids for another 2-3 years, and it’s already nearly 6 years old. What WinTel machine keeps working for 6-8 years?
I agree…. Of all my Macs, I am on my “Motel” machine the most, an original 800 MHZ iBook G4. Runs fine and I am on the road 60% of the time. However, if I need a PC, I can whip out my 700 MHZ Dell Laptop running Win 2K and it performs well when needed for that freak program (ie. Primavera P3)…
Regards,
Shoeman
Skylark,
There are sites around that are much cheaper than iTunes and co. Try http://www.mp3sparks.com. I think they were once known as allofmp3.com. DRM free and about $3.50 per album @ cd quality. Let the flames begin!
When I was young, I used to build my own car from the ground up. Thought I was the coolest thing on the planet. Until I took a ride in my buddy’s corvette.
Primavera P3?? You have my sympathy, bro. Surely there’s a Mac alternative you could use?
I used to build my own mountain bikes from the frame up. Still have my ’94 Manitou FS XTR which was the best bike on the planet until I bought an off-the-shelf Santa Cruz Blur a few years ago. I bought the Manitous in pieces and built it over time, but in the end, both cost about $4,500. The Manitou lasted 10 years. But while it was a lot of fun to build that bike, the Santa Cruz is every bit as good (quite a bit better, actually) and I’ve not had to mess with it once. I expect it will last just as long, if not longer, since I don’t ride like I used to.
I’m not really sure where I was going with this.
I like bikes.
>.<
-c
MW: ‘give’ (me a break, it’s early)
@Samuels
Primavera P3?? You have my sympathy, bro. Surely there’s a Mac alternative you could use?
No Sir, there are none. As a matter of fact, the industry is in the process of replacing P3 with Primavera 5.0 Construction (formerly P3E)…..
In my line of work, there are no alternatives. Wish there was, but there is not.
I still make my coffee from the grounds up.
@ TMF
Ah! That’s what’s missing. Excuse me…
How about a remastered Beatle collection….
perhaps Yoko can get George Lucas to remaster it with Jar-Jar digitally edited into each Beatle song and even a solo in Let it Be…
“Jar-Jar digitally edited into each Beatle song”
O NO! Meesa not think so.
Wednesday, and not Tuesday. It’s obvious, as Monday is Labor Day, that the typical date is moved back one day.
The weird thing about all this nonsense is that this event will be all about iPods – not Laptops or Desktops or anything else.
There have already been events for all of these other types of devices – now is the time for the annual iPod refresh.
If everyone wants to argue about the merits or otherwise of different OS’s or Hardware configurations – you are in the wrong thread. This is the new iPod (and associated content) release event thread.
iPods
OK?
@ChrissyOne
I like bikes too.. almost made the mistake to buy a Klein Mantra.
Care for some popcorn dear? *hands her the bowl*
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People want OSX on their PCs for the same reason they want to unlock their iPhone. It’s to use any wireless carrier, not being forced to use AT&T. OSX on PC is about not being forced to choose from only a few hardware configurations.
There’s no difference between Macs and PCs other than the software that powers the hardware. I’ve always seen OSX as better by far than Windows, but what option do I have to use OSX? I don’t like the Mini because it’s not a tower and not as customisable. I don’t like the iMac because you’re fixed with a certain monitor, what happens in a few years you want a different one? I’m not a laptop user, I never will be, so I can’t use the Macbook/Pros.
Finally, there’s the Mac Pro which is my ideal kind of machine, but it starts at $2200 because there’s TWO dual core Xeon processors. Please… Someone that just surfs the web, checks email, plays Flash games, chats with messengers, etc DOESN’T NEED ALL THIS!
So… what are my options for using OSX? Overpay for a Mac Pro? Or just continue using Windows? Simple solution for Apple… Offer something called the iMac Pro or whatever, and it’ll be iMac hardware in a tower form for the same price.
Then, I’ll consider using a Mac. Until then, I’ll just keep using Windows. Apple better hurry though, because my need to switch away from Windows is going down. Windows is much better than it used to be, like Windows 98/Me. Windows Vista is the OSX of the Windows world. No widely reported infestations so far and it has 5-6% share.
osx on pc,
If that’s your price for using OSX then you can keep using windows. If you’re so happy with windows why are you talking about OSX. Vista sucks, plain and simple. It doesn’t even rate with 10.3 Panther let alone 10.4 Tiger and 10.5 Leopard will be out in a couple of months.
Obviously you know more than most PC mags who rate OSX as being superior to ALL versions of windows. However, if you’re satisfied with using a second rate operating system then all I can say is that you’re just plain second rate.
What a waste, I really do pity you for you ignorance. But if you insist in wallowing in a cesspool of ignorance far be it from me to get in your way.
Wow, that was rude. Is that how Apple store employees would tell me if I went into one and suggested a tower with iMac hardware?
I’m not “happy” with Windows, I just said it’s better than before but I still want OSX. Stop following the cult of Mac so forcefully.
@osx on pc
I was digging your post until you got to the end of it. While I agree, folks like us want a tower for our desktop (and currently have no other choice than a Wintel machine unless we go with OSX 86), I searched high and low for ANY reason for anyone NOT to use an Apple Laptop. Fact is, there is none.
I keep an old Windows tower and an old Windows Laptop to run my as required programs. The rest of the time I’m on one of my Macs. I have Intel Mini, iBook G4, A Digital Audio G4, a Homebrew Hackintoish, and a new Macbook (which I can’t bear to take out of the house yet so I use the old iBook)… My wife and kids all have iBooks G4 now.
Bottom line, I agree with you on the Mid Tower, it is needed Badly (Funny, a low priced version of the Cube would of worked fine).. But for your portable needs, why would anyone use anything but an Apple Laptop.
This Wikepedia article tells you all you need to know.
I didn’t say Apple laptops were bad. I just said I wouldn’t use a Mac laptop because I’m not a laptop person.
Little confusion about that, sorry.
“There is a Mac tower in the 2200 range- configure with a 2 gig processor. $2200- even. That’s really a capable machine for most people. Oh, you want the 2.66 for that price? Well, as always you get what you pay for.”
Did I say I wanted a 2.66Ghz Mac Pro processor for the price of the 2Gz? No. This isn’t a question of being cheap, it’s a question of getting something that isn’t an all-in-one or overkill. The 2Ghz Mac Pro is a terrible deal if you look at what the processor costs compared to the 2.66Ghz and what Apple gives you as savings. What do I want? A single processor machine with dual or quad core configurations (i.e Conroe), a couple hard drive slots, a few PCIe slots and an upgradeable graphics card, 4 RAM slots, and one optical drive, plus ports on the back. Is that really too much to ask?
“Could you please explain to me the need that you have that can’t be provided by either a mini or the iMac. I own several of both for personal and professional use. I do understand that the Pro is overkill for most, especially in my business.”
The iMac does not have a powerful enough graphics card for me. I sometimes want to play games, and a mid-range graphics card that I can’t feasibly upgrade that can’t even play today’s games on high settings, much less tomorrow’s, doesn’t cut it. There’s also the issue of the built-in monitor, which I’d prefer not to have thx, the mobile processor (a desktop with a mobile processor? what?), and the lack of enough hard drive and RAM slots.
But I don’t need a workstation. I don’t need Xeon processors with FB DIMMs that cost extra. I don’t need four hard drive slots, or two optical drive slots. I don’t need 4 PCIe slots, or 8 RAM slots. In short, I don’t need a Mac Pro. I need something a bit beefier but mainly more upgradeable than the iMac.
“I think Apple believes that they have a big enough overlap is consumer needs, and that a large number (probably a majority) of people that purchase a mid-tower with the intent of upgrading never actually upgrade, but rather end up buying another machine.”
Perhaps, but I’m not alone here. If you read the comments for mac-centric apple event we just had, it seems like half the comments were about wanting said hypothetical mini-tower (or whatever). There have been many blogs about it, including multiple digg submissions that got over a thousand diggs. The latest was this:
http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/08/08/wheres-the-mac/
@Fighter of Freedom
Got ya covered. You want a Core 2 Duo, with real Video Card, A Real Audio Card, a AGP slot and a couple of PCI or PCI express slots for $800-$1000.
That’s what we’re all offering, a computer like the rest of the world is selling..
@@macbones,
If Apple wants to tap into the multi-Billion dollar gaming market. Which with its announcement with EA seems like they do. They need an expandable tower like computer that uses standard components.
See the pro uses zeon procs and fully buffered RAM. Very expensive and high latency for gaming and comes with a 7300GT, a $50 crap video card. The only other card choices are a now overpriced and outdated ATI 1900 or a $1600 pro card. All of this from $2500 to $6000+.
These limitation are with gaming on the Mac side or bootcamping to Windows. We won’t even start with the limitations for the closed and locked up iMac.
My local Costco is out of iPods.
“Got ya covered. You want a Core 2 Duo, with real Video Card, A Real Audio Card, a AGP slot and a couple of PCI or PCI express slots for $800-$1000.
That’s what we’re all offering, a computer like the rest of the world is selling..”
I don’t want OSx86, and OSX on PC hardware is never going to happen unless Apple quits the hardware business. And since, unlike MS, they make all their money off hardware, that’s not likely to happen. Plus, they’d have to start charging $500 for the OS like Microsoft, get anal about serial numbers and pirating like Microsoft, have problems with viruses and lack of hardware control like Microsoft, and so on. Microsoft makes their money off their OS, which is what allows them to license it to anyone and their dog. It’s also what makes their OS expensive and has engendered all this recent “Genuine Advantage” and anti-piracy crap. Apple makes their money off the hardware, not the OS. IF they sold it to anyone who wanted it they’d have a hell of the time getting it to work on the millions of different configurations, and there will be little reason for anyone to buy a computer from them anymore. Plus, they’d probably have to charge a lot more money.
I’m fine with Apple most of the time, but time like these when they just don’t have a computer that suits me and there’s nothing I can do about it is frustrating. I don’t like being held hostage; I don’t want to use Windows, I love OS X, I love macs, but I don’t love the current offerings. What happened to the low end powermac? The Mac Pro has no real low end, the 2.0 Ghz model is a joke.
To all the little spoiled brats, ” would you like some cheese with that whine?” There is more to life then to go and spend thousands on a gaming rig and whine about the mac not having options for you dermanding gamers…Its sad.. I bet you hardcore gamers will never be satisfied with just about any hardware because each time you upgrade to better hardware it becomes old so quickly you will keep your eyes peeled for the best next expensive video card. Do you even have a life outside that little dark room of yours? The mac offerings that are out now are good enough to keep me satisfied. Even my old Dual 1 ghz G4 I had running Ati 9800 Pro was plenty enough to play doom 3 and quake 4. Do I need to go out and buy more games? Do i need to go out and spend hundreds if not thousands on a better video card? No to all. See, I have a life, I don’t have this pitiful daily desire to play games all day or this pitiful desire to have the next best graphic card.. in fact I dont need to go out and buy a fancy case with neon lights when I will prolly be the only person looking at it. Whats the point of even spending all your time gaming? get into some outdoor sport! Hiking! Sky diving!, Rock climbing! beach volleyball! anything outdoors will make you healthy then to watch your fat bum get bigger while playing games on a souped up PeeCee. Thats all I have to say. If anyone agree, I appreciate some feedback.
” A day well spent brings happy sleep, therefore a life well lived brings happy death” Leonardo DaVinci
I’m not a gamer at all. I just want a $800-$1200 tower with iMac hardware. Not a Mac Pro that costs over $2,000 minimum and would be a waste of money for casual use.
Mini is too mini, and the Pro is too Pro.
If Apple makes something that me and the possible millions that just want a basic tower from them, we’ll finally see OSX use SKYROCKET past 10% for once.
@ MacGeek Pro,
There may be more to life than the gamers spending thousands on their rigs. Hiking may be great for you. Doesn’t mean you have a life though. I play soccer (football) 3hrs. a day 6 nights a week and run about 6-10 miles a night doing so. My non-footballing friends think that I should get a life. So see no matter what you occupy your time with someone else will always see it as a waste of time. So please get off of your “get a life” high horse.
As a non gaming mac fan and stock holder I’d rather see Apple make loads of money off of these no life gamers (as you’d put it) rather than send them to spend their money elsewhere.
But that’s just me, I realise that people do have a life even if they don’t enjoy the things that I do. And I want Apple to make as much money from every market segment possible.
But glad narrow views like yours exist. It makes the world go round.
MW/need…as in you need to realise that people can still have a life even if it doesn’t resemble yours…
“To all the little spoiled brats, ” would you like some cheese with that whine?” There is more to life then to go and spend thousands on a gaming rig and whine about the mac not having options for you dermanding gamers…Its sad.. I bet you hardcore gamers will never be satisfied with just about any hardware because each time you upgrade to better hardware it becomes old so quickly you will keep your eyes peeled for the best next expensive video card. Do you even have a life outside that little dark room of yours? The mac offerings that are out now are good enough to keep me satisfied. Even my old Dual 1 ghz G4 I had running Ati 9800 Pro was plenty enough to play doom 3 and quake 4. Do I need to go out and buy more games? Do i need to go out and spend hundreds if not thousands on a better video card? No to all. See, I have a life, I don’t have this pitiful daily desire to play games all day or this pitiful desire to have the next best graphic card.. in fact I dont need to go out and buy a fancy case with neon lights when I will prolly be the only person looking at it. Whats the point of even spending all your time gaming? get into some outdoor sport! Hiking! Sky diving!, Rock climbing! beach volleyball! anything outdoors will make you healthy then to watch your fat bum get bigger while playing games on a souped up PeeCee. Thats all I have to say. If anyone agree, I appreciate some feedback.”
Hi. I’m a casual mac gamer. The iMac isn’t enough for me. Wanting a machine that can handle games on a decent setting and is reasonably future-proof and upgradeable so that you don’t have to throw your money away on a whole new machine just because one component is outdated doesn’t make you a hardcore gamer with no life. Also, plenty of hard core gamers have a life outside of gaming… the two aren’t as mutually exclusive as you seem to think.
Who are you to tell others that their hobby is bad, anyways?
You’re acting like Apple already has a decent gaming machine and people are asking for something over the top and bleeding edge. Here’s a hint: The iMac, even the new one, sucks for gaming. It will always suck. I bought an iMac G5 in August 2005 and it sucked at gaming then, now… well, now I can’t play anything much more demanding than World of Warcraft, and even that doesn’t play well.
So now I’m looking at upgrading already, I basically have to throw away the monitor because it’s built in, and I can’t just get a graphics card which is what I really need. I’m not going to buy another iMac. I’m not going to waste money on a machine that’s overkill. So I guess Apple has lost a customer.
YYYYEEEEEEEEE-HHHHHAAAAWWWW!!!!!!! I wish I could go comotose till Sept 5, I cannot wait to get my hands on the new video iPod. Been waiting way tooooooooo long for it. I’ve had dreams while sleeping on planes wishing how much more enjoyable the flight would be with the video iPod! THANKS IN ADVANCE APPLE!! ps. if you let me down with some dumb speaker set I’ll, I’ll, just have to wait?
Yes, the hardware is all fundamentally the same. Shoestring is right about that. He, of course, is being a show-off dickhead about his superior, un-mac-like thirst for learning, but it’s all the same. We bow to your superior knowledge, as we thought Apple made each component in Steve’s garage, and that the parts all operate in strange, cosmic, not-so-PC-like fashion. Just like a VW bus has doors with hinges, and a handle, and a motor, and a steering wheel, so does a Benz. It’s all the same stuff.
“Yes, the hardware is all fundamentally the same. Shoestring is right about that. He, of course, is being a show-off dickhead about his superior, un-mac-like thirst for learning, but it’s all the same. We bow to your superior knowledge, as we thought Apple made each component in Steve’s garage, and that the parts all operate in strange, cosmic, not-so-PC-like fashion. Just like a VW bus has doors with hinges, and a handle, and a motor, and a steering wheel, so does a Benz. It’s all the same stuff.”
I think Shoestring is missing the point of controlling the “whole widget”.
MDN MW: Surface, as in “Look beneath the surface similarities”
osx on pc,
I wasn’t being nasty I was merely responding to your ignorance.
Quote 1:
“There’s no difference between Macs and PCs other than the software that powers the hardware.”
What a sweeping statement. What about the Dell recalls and the mass of no-name brands that are fair at best. That is what I mean by ignorance. They are ALL windows’ pcs.
Then after stating that OSX is superior to windows you then come out with:
Quote 2:
Windows is much better than it used to be, like Windows 98/Me. Windows Vista is the OSX of the Windows world.
Vista is basically a beta release. If it’s so great why are people avoiding it like the plague. Again you show your ignorance.
Not one poster on this site criticised my statements. And what do you expect the reaction would be by coming to a Mac site and coming out with statements that are just plain wrong. Do you expect me to agree with you? I don’t think so. All pcs are of the same quality as Macs…I don’t think so. And to say that Vista is the OSX of the windows’ world when it is clearly below par, forces a user to upgrade their computer and shamelessly copies OSX in the most inferior way possible is frankly an insult to the intelligence of all OSX mac users.
I am NOT a flamer and I always try express moderation in my posts. But when I get a post such as yours I just see another windows’ troll trying to stir the pot at a mac site.
So my advice is this if you can’t take the heat then get the hell out of the kitchen. And have a nice day purchasing another beige box with a dipstick, dropkick operating system. I switched from windows when it was version 3.1. It was the best computing decision I ever made. If you insist on being a masochist then be my guest.
One final point, I’ve switched a number of windows’ users and they had clearly had it with all the problems with windows. You are clearly prepared to keep using whatever version of windows you already have. Fine, that’s your choice. But don’t come to this site spouting windows’ BS and then expect to get away with it. That’s just not on.