“After many, many hours of intense work from ‘Nightwatch,’ the first independent ‘Hello World‘ application has been compiled and launched on the iPhone. This was made possible using the ‘ARM/Mach-O Toolchain,’ Nightwatch’s ‘special project,’ that he has been working on so carefully over the past few weeks. Certain parts of the toolchain (such as the assembler) are being refined and tested and these will be released as soon as possible,” iPhone Dev Wiki reports.
This development could mark a path for third-party developers to create “real” applications for Apple’s iPhone.
MacDailyNews Note: iPhone Dev Wiki has asked the media not to link directly to the wiki due to traffic concerns.
@Peter
“So the argument that installing third-party apps on your phone will somehow cause it to crash when you need it the most is rubbish.”
Your car doesn’t start:
Starter problems
Fuel pump problem
Bad Battery
Wet distributor
You get a flat tier (don’t have a spar)
You are the one involved in an accident
Your car gets flooded
Stuck in the middle of a blizzard
You locked your self out of your house and its 3:00 am
Blackout occurs rendering your cordless phone out of commission and the only phone service you have is your cell phone.
You see, it’s not just the 911 argument
I could go on and on about how important it is to have a reliable phone. If you decide to compromise this by installing hacks on it, your are correct, it’s your right, but don’t expect Apple to facilitate this.
@Mac-nugget (just to follow the thread)
But, wouldnt’t be the same issue when installing a 3rd party app to a Treo or any other WinCE or Palm phone?
As long as you can install an app on a phone, you run that risk. And “approved apps” are no warranty of anything. look at Microsoft!
You don’t want the risk, you can either have a phone-only device or not install anything. I respect that.
But as long as you install an app, you are responsible for what you do.
My take, at least.
@mm
Let’s not forget we’re talking about a NETwORK device. So, once MR. I wantcoice1 breaks Apples security in order to have his choice satisfied, along comes Mr. Iwantchoice ad infinitum, and suddenly malware directed to the iphone mysteriously starts appearing on the internet. My networked device now becomes as crap infested as any ordinary windows pc. All because Mr. Iwantchoice1 decided that Apple didn’t know what they were doing. I’ve been using Macs since the original way back in 1984, I’m a very senior systems programmer in a large well funded IT environment. I lugged my Mac to work every day back in 1984, connected to the network … when I could, seen many windows users shed many tears at the lost of data caused by well meaning hackers loosed in an unsecured, anything gores crackable & hackable programming environment. But in all this time I have NEVER! NEVER! had a single virus or other malware contamination on my “NOCHOICE” Mac. This I believe id due to Apple’s insistence on their hermetically sealed programming environment. You want choice … by a windows mobile device, you get choice up the ying-yang. Including those you didn’t opt for.
I am for the choice I originally made, not that some IMAHOTSHOT makes.
I took my new MacBook Pro into the Apple store because of a small problem. The geniuses said they would not honor the guarantee on the computer because it had third party apps installed!!
“do people really want it to end up like WinMobile?”
What you mean fully featured with a vast array of useful programs instead of limited to what Apple has the time and inclination to develop?
if you don’t like the idea of 3rd party apps on your iPhone, don’t install any. Simple as that.
“This left potential buyers with 2 choices”
Actually people had 3 choices, Choice 3, buy it and hack up a toolchain to allow building 3rd party apps.
“in this case Apple does know best.”
Baaa Baaa.
“It’s really about whether you get to tell Apple what to do or not, isn’t it?”
Baaa Baaa.
“My networked device now becomes as crap infested as any ordinary windows pc.”
You forget it is Mac OS X, Mac OS X is impregnable to malware and never crashes. So all the arguments about malware and crashing are invalid.
But back to the real world, at least you now allow for the fact, even suggest that it’s almost certain that a Mac OS X machine will become unstable due to customer installed apps and is vulnerable to malware. Interesting.
Why on earth shouldn’t people who want to write apps for the phone do so, and people who want to use those apps run them.
All the MacSheep in this forum who don’t like the idea can leave their phones factory default.
@Mac-nugget
Well, if you take it that far, the iPhone out of the box will eventually fail you when (not if) the battery fails anyway. Any electronic device will fail in time for whatever reason because of its age.
@BaaBaaMacSheep
“You forget it is Mac OS X, Mac OS X is impregnable to malware and never crashes. So all the arguments about malware and crashing are invalid.”
Unless you’re just being mildly sarcastic, that’s a very dangerous statement. Almost to the point where I think this school of thought has become an urban myth. I’ve seen Macs crash left and right enough times when their users/fans claim that it never does, it doesn’t matter if it is hardware or software related, it is still a malfunction. And malware vunerabilities are an eventuality for any OS, because afterall, it is made by us humans, and we’re never perfect.
“Unless you’re just being mildly sarcastic, that’s a very dangerous statement. “
I am being sarcastic.
If you read the comments on this forum and follow the line of thought:
Desktop Mac OS X is impregnable and 3rd party apps never crash a Mac.
The iPhone runs Mac OS X
Yet strangely running any 3rd party on an Mac OS X iPhone will result in instant instability of the iPhone, instability of AT&T’s entire wireless network, and probably affect global weather patterns, the stability of the sun’s core and so on so Steve was wise to ban them.
Translation: Baaaa Baaaa, whatever Apple does I will mindlessly support Baaaa Baaaa
Sorry, Mac fans … iPhone isn’t impenetrable:
“iPhone Safari exploit revealed”
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/07/23/briefly_iphone_web_exploit_german_iphone_retailer_more.html
Better be careful with it.
Here is the original site info on the exploit:
http://www.securityevaluators.com/iphone/
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