“Five years ago, Intel envisioned processors running at 20 GHz by the end of this decade. Today we know that the future will look different. CPUs will sacrifice clock speed over core count: Intel’s first “many core” CPU, will run at only two thirds of the clock speed of today’s fastest Xeon CPU – but achieve 15x the performance, thanks to 32 cores,” Wolfgang Gruener reports for TG Daily.
“So far, it has been unclear when those “many-cores” will actually be available. Documents provided by an industry source and seen by TG Daily, however, indicate that at least “dozens of cores” may be still some time away. The first processor of “Keifer” – Intel’s project name for many-core processors – will be surfacing in the 2009/2010 time frame and integrate 32 cores (128 threads total): The first Keifer chip will be manufactured in 32 nm and use eight processing nodes with four cores each. Every node will have direct access to one 3 MB on-die last level cache (LLC) and 512 kB L2 cache. There will be a total of 8 x 3 MB LLC slices that are connected by a ring architecture and represent a total 24 MB of cache,” Gruener reports.
“Intel does not consider AMD’s Opteron and successors as Kevet’s and Keifer’s benchmark. The documents seen by TG Daily aim Keifer at Sun’s “Niagara” architecture, which is currently available in the “Ultra Sparc T1″ processor. The T1 was launched last year with great fanfare as 1.2 GHz 8-core processor with 3 MB L2 cache and capable of handling a total 32 threads at a peak power of just 72 watts,” Gruener reports. “Intel can’t touch the performance of the T1 in its home turf at this time and the specifications of Niagara’s successors are widely based on speculations… Intel knows that a simple increase of threads combined with “multi-core” processors won’t allow the company to keep Sun’s pace. Engineers at the firm believe that a new architecture – which is rumored to be launched in 2008 – and 32 cores are necessary to catch up and ultimately trump Sun in the 2009/2010 time frame: Key to Intel’s advantage may be clock speed, once again: The company estimates that Niagara III won’t be able to run faster than 2.0 GHz – while Keifer will run at least at 2.0 GHz.”
Full article here.
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Hope AMD sells a lot of their server chips to Dell now while they still can…
will they be able to run vista?
Future versions of Windows will be so bloated that they’ll need 32 cores just to perform poorly.
i think HAL was vista ready?!?
HAL ran vista, thats where he got his personality from.
> i think HAL was vista ready?!?
Unfortunately not. Vista was too demanding and HAL could not display in Aero Glass. All he could do under Vista was flash a little red light…
Apple advertisement in the Year 2012:
“Experience the new (Power)mac 64.
64 stands not for 64 bit, but 64 cores…”
excuse me while i mount my time machine, i can’t wait to get one…
lol
So can someone explain to me why multiple cores @ 2.0Ghz is favorable to 2 cores at 2.0Ghz? Is this an issue with power usage and efficiency?
I simply just don’t know.
Thanks
I’m going to do just fine, thank you.
I’ll believe it when I see it. I think chip companies tend to talk a lot.
back in the early 90s – in college – i told people that increased speeds were not going to be as important as having multiprocessing operating systems and simply throwing additional processors at the problem.
I was wrong in thinking that they would be packaged separately in discrete processing units – i saw things like upgrade cards in the IIci and such as the way it would go.
I was an Amiga user, and so, the idea of getting multiple processors involved seemed the most reasonable to me, rather that just faster and faster all the time.
When I get that chip in whatever tower Apple has at the time (or whatever new enclosure design they come up with) and couple it with that new RAM from Freescale, then Photoshop should be able to read my mind and work in real time. No more mouse and keyboard – the computer will be able to read brainwaves.
The reason Intel is bragging about 32 core processors is because of the Cell+, it’s been strangly silent at IBM/Sony/Toshiba lately.
Also strangly silent from Apple.
Remember folks, Apple sold a SH*TLOAD of hardware when they were the only ones with the G5 processor. Scientists love Cell+.
Also another clue, where are the video card upgrade options for PCI-X based G5’s?
Is it because the Cell+ can do the video rendering itself a heck of a lot cheaper than a dedicated GPU? And now the video card hardware companies don’t see much of a future in Apple Towers so they are winding down the Mac part of their buisness?
Apple is able to place 4 Cell+’s in a box, no problem.
32 cores on a processor substancially lowers the yield and increases the heat, it’s not going to happen.
Even dual cores are not cool enough for laptops…er notebooks.
G-Spank:
I’m surprised at you. Don’t you know when manufacturers are providing future direction and roadmaps so that companies can plan ahead and make informed buying decisions?
PennyPacker,
The true performance of a computer is not how fast it can run, but how much work it can get done in a certain amount of time. The plan until now has been to get essentially single-lane processors as fast as possible, but due to physics, too much heat was being generated.
The human brain processes in parallel. Why not computers? Well, that’s the new approach.
Multiple cores can simultaneously do computations at a slower speed (which means less heat), and still get more work done after a given amount of time.
Does that answer your question?
“So can someone explain to me why multiple cores @ 2.0Ghz is favorable to 2 cores at 2.0Ghz? Is this an issue with power usage and efficiency?”
For the same reason that two cores at 2 GHz is favorable to one core at 2 GHz: more cores means more units to calculate tasks independently. More cores also means calculation power is gained without rising temperatures, which is a consequence of higher clock frequencies. However, to utilise all those cores the software that’s being run must support this feature.
Magic Word: mother as in motherboard for 32 cores?
******coolfactor*******
So, this is:
like one guy that peels 5 potatos an hour (solo core, for example) to 5 guys that can peel 5 potatoes per hour (multiple cores), instead of one guy that can peel 20+ apples per hour? So it’s better to have 5 guys peeling 5 apples per hour than to have one guy that can peel 20+ per/hour?
This explanation is brought to you by the letters M, A, & C, and the number 32.
*****Switched*****
how does this translate for users of everyday applications: iLife, Adobe CS, Office and the like? Will the additon of multiple cores benefit the use of those types of “every day applications?
32 cores … holy sheite
Sigh. Intel back to their old rubbish–just when you thought they’d figured it out.
Hey Intel! Whatever happened to the 6GHz chips we were supposed to have by now?
Do you have to put down AMD just to make sure things stay at the 5-th grade level?
Maybe AMD will put some great chips in Macs someday. Who knows?
Talk about how great Intel and Macs are, but the MDN takes that put down the competition with schoolboy jokes are just embarrassing. Put them down with facts or not at all.
OK, to stay with “The Rule”, we’ll need to see doubling every couple of years … right? Added chip speed will take up some of this, but that still leaves a lot to core proliferation.
We are now at a 2-core baseline – a few new systems have more and a few new systems have but one, but a great many are at 2 cores per system.
In 2008 we should be at a 4-core baseline, four slightly faster cores but slightly cooler than we have today.
In 2010 we should be at an 8-core baseline, eight sl …. wait. They said 32 in 2010! Eight quad-cored “processing nodes” … to keep up with Sun? So … that isn’t baseline computers, that’s Workstations and Servers!
We consumers may be reveling in the power of having one or two of these “quad-cored processing nodes” in our personal computers, but I hope code that deals efficiently with multiple cores replaces current code that only grudgingly multi-tasks and hasn’t a clue what that other ‘core thingie’ is.
Wow! If its true – Wow!
AG Pennypacker:
“So, this is:
like one guy that peels 5 potatos an hour (solo core, for example) to 5 guys that can peel 5 potatoes per hour (multiple cores), instead of one guy that can peel 20+ apples per hour? So it’s better to have 5 guys peeling 5 apples per hour than to have one guy that can peel 20+ per/hour?”
Each of those five guys is peeling 5 potatoes per hour, which makes 25 potatoes in total. Since one single super peeler guy (who can peel 25 potatoes per hour) demands more dough than those five guys, it’s more optimal to have those five guys working for you than one single (albeit effective) guy. In other words: it’s better to get your computing power from less-heating, more power-efficient multicore processors than a superhot, electricity-gorging singlecore CPU, which can make your computer unstable. And, even with dualcores speed gains are made according to Moore’s law anyway, so all of this means faster computers to us consumers. Singlecore CPUs can’t get much faster without getting very hot by now. In the end it isn’t possible to find a lone guy who can peel 32 potatoes per hour, just like it isn’t possible to construct a small singlecore processor which could be as fast as a 32 core CPU. (Well, maybe it IS possible in theory, but not in practice, a least not now. And it would be hotter and consume more energy anyway than a multicore CPU.)
“how does this translate for users of everyday applications: iLife, Adobe CS, Office and the like? Will the additon of multiple cores benefit the use of those types of “every day applications?”
Yes. These applications will run faster than before (just like every time new CPUs are introduced).
Wake me up in 2010………
Switched,
It is understandable that the “super peeler” demands more dough per hour, but does he demand more dough per potatoe peeled?
What is the better option…. less “super peelers” or more “normal peelers”?
That is the question that should be asked. Only time and R&D will tell.
It is better to have five illegal aliens peeling potatoes for less than minimum wage than hire one talented U.S. citizen? What does this have to do with electrons and circuits and transistors and stuff? Is Intel planning on designing 32 core potato chips? Wow, this is really some cool news.
Press the F12 key… type “analogy” into the dictionary widget… Press the return key…. read the resultant test
Hopefully you might understand what peeling potates has to do with electrons and circuits and transistors and stuff…
Re: clyde & AMD
If you buy a system just because of the chip inside, then most likely you are you have too much money to spend and/or are egocentric and try to deffend the notion that “I own one, so it must be great”. I call this nerd egocentric behaviour as the DAH effect.
Re:Dynamic Mesh
As for the Cell chip, only gaming consoles use it. Since there is no software for this chip, then nobody cares. You mentioned “Scientists love Cell+” and I don’t know where you got that idea. It’s true that scientists at IBM love it, but in general the Sparc chip is far more superior and 90% of R&D firms love Sun and SGI.
The common issue with hardware is whether the software developers catch up with new technologies. Oly time will tell.
I think that this Intel vision for 2010 is too early for ordinary users to even comment. The only exception to this rule is if you are an insider and I’m not.
My personal choice for a 3D graphics workstation is Apple and Boxxtech. From Jan 2007, when Apple should release the next generation G5 with BootCamp, than most likely I’ll be using Apple.
Personally I’m very impressed with Apple because not only they try to think different, but they also implement their ideas which is Chinese to Dell, HP, Gateway, and many others.
Gee, thank you, Dr. sizewell, Professor emeritus of grammar. Or is it, Mister Potatohead?
Er, small-sized-one, explain again what potatoes have to do with “electrons and circuits and transistors and stuff…” Your train jumped the track of the thought process in the previous post.
Sizewell,
“Anaolgy”, a noun.
Example, “Potato peeling is like processing speed” as “Sizewell is like moron”. It’s all clear now!
Good night gentlmen.
I was only responding to Switched’s analog about potatoe peeling having some merit and how it applied to the current processor design arguments.
Time will tell which is the better design…. it’s similar to the CISC / RISC design’s that we’ve seen discussed in the past.
Sounds like a good opportunity for an Apple core. That has appeal. Time to seed? Any fruit borne from this? Any incider info? How many branches?
If they can stuff 32 cores into 1 CPU package…
Everyone will have a cluster on their desk….Cool!
Now if they just let me queue the cores …..
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As for the Cell chip, only gaming consoles use it. Since there is no software for this chip, then nobody cares
You should read a little. All Mac software will run on it. (unless some fool only compiled for Intel processors)
http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell0_v2.html
Look at the facts, what does Intel have by 2007?
Some lame dual dual-core processor they are calling a Quad. (Kentsfield)
It’s already been leaked (most likely intentionally), tested to be only slightly faster than a PowerMac G5 Quad.
What is the Cell? It will be out with the new Playstation 3’s and sport NINE cores on one proccessor, that if used in assembly line fasion is 10x faster than one processor.
Now there is room in a PowerMac/X-Server case for two processors, either two Cells (total 18 processors) or two Kentsfields (total 8 processors)
If I was building a Supercomputer would I even bother buying Apple’s expensive Intel X-Serve if I knew I could get the Intel processors in a cheaper case from Dell?
Remember Apple is a HARDWARE COMPANY, Mac OS X is just the paint job for us consumers, it helps sell hardware to consumers. But big buisness looks at the hardware, and whom they can get the processors from in a case. The OS is meaningless to them.
X-Code is all about structuring progrmas so they can easily be adapted to whatever processor apple choses to use. Intel or PPC (including Cell)
By the way the Cell has Altivec.
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ya, AMD will not have to worry. Yes, they will be behind Intel, but AMD is always better. Intel always goes for raw power, either in clock speed or this new strategy of as many cores as possible, but AMD has much better architecture, which is why their cores run much slower but pack more punch.
Re: Dynamic Mesh
You stated “…Some lame dual dual-core processor they are calling a Quad. (Kentsfield)…” So… what’s your point? Yep, AMDs first batch of so called dual-core was 2×32 and people bought the marketing jargon of 64. Do you think AMD won’t do the same?
I guess you are an IBM fan because you strongly defend the Cell chip. I give you credit for the article recommendation in which “all Mac software will run on Cell.” I liked that article. Let’s not go into the general feasibility of this for the ordinary end user.
Well… it’s too late for Apple to go back to IBM. And do you think IBM deserves Apple? Do any of you know how ugly things got between IBM and Apple? IBM quality control in chip manufacturing is very poor. Bringing Sun back into the picture, 20% of the IBM chips supplied to Sun (in that period) were faulty and had to be sent back for replacement. Now it’s 10%. In the semiconductor industry that’s really bad figures. IBM is having a hard time making the NY fab work properly.
On top of that, IBM and Motorola were having a feud about patents and quantities of PowerPC production. In the middle, there was Apple wondering when (?) the new chips will be released and are they going to get it on time (?). I felt very sorry for Steve Jobs because most likely he took lots of Exedrin every day.
From this sour experience that Steve Jobs had to go through, I wouldn’t be surprised if he demanded a legal written agreement/contract from Intel that supply and innovation will not be compromised for Apple.
At Apple’s annual shareholders meeting in April 2006, CEO Steve Jobs stated, “Intel has a great roadmap. This new [Intel Core Duo] chip is phenomenal–it blows away anything other suppliers have, including our former suppliers.” Jobs described the company’s upcoming products as “the best I’ve ever seen in my life.”
In time we’ll see what Intel has to offer. August is an important month for Apple.
Dynamic Mesh,
Whilst I’d love to see Apple use decent processors inside their computers again, it does seem rather doubtful right now that they’d use Cell.
Yes, it’s a nice chip, but it is designed for a games console. Its implementation of Altivec and the other streaming processing cores inside it aren’t designed for scientific calculations – they don’t provide a sufficient level of accuracy.
A design derived from Cell could potentially prove useful in super-computing applications.
Whilst it’s true that Apple is a hardware company they decided that they wanted to be in the consumer computer market, not the high performance market. Intel is never going to be the platform to deliver high performance – they’d rather have the mass market and that is what they build for.
I see that some of you people are ranting about IBM and AMD. What’s wrong with you people? Good hardcore geeks are not loyal to any chip manufacturer. All we want is the best available chip. If you start obsessing about chip manufacturers, then you need to get a life.
If you want to rant about quad core, then that’s no big deal. When AMD was parading with dual core, Sparc had 4 and Azul had 36. Now Sparc has 8 core and Azul has 48 core. Numbers mean something only when you define the type of applications used. Otherwise it’s just an extra thing people buy for no reason.
If you want to laugh a bit, have a cold beer and read articles about AMDs recall of 3000 Opterons. As for the Cell chip by IBM that’s an incredible thing. But, apart from gaming consoles IBM is marketing this chip to the Defense Industry and the competition in that area is very tough because of the Sparc and Itanium. IBM used to make chips for the mass market, but they pulled out because the profit margins are too small 3 or more competitors.
Personally I don’t care about AMD, IBM and/or Intel. All I care is that Apple reinvents itself, and being bold is the only way in rejecting monotone orthodox thinking.
Good Night and Good Luck!!!
I don’t use Macs because of the chip. But now, at last I can merge my work under one roof. This is really cool stuff!!!
hey domino360, i don’t like beer. but i’ll stick to martinis and i did some googling on the 3000 opteron recall. auch… what a headache… i don’t think amd was happy with that. many big studios were affected by that recall, including ilm renderfarm in singapore.
you are right about “…Good hardcore geeks are not loyal to any chip manufacturer. All we want is the best available chip…” i’m one of them, and also an apple fan. it’s not worth wasting your time on chip fanatics.
i was taken by surprise when steve jobs announced intel chips and later on the boot-camp software. wow!!! it’s still worth it spending extra money on a mac than on an “dull” little box. i know lots of windows users that will get a mac when they are going to change their systems.
Yep, AMDs first batch of so called dual-core was 2×32 and people bought the marketing jargon of 64. Do you think AMD won’t do the same?
What are you talking about here? AMD’s first dual core processors were true 64-bit processors, not two 32-bit’s marketed as 64. You must be confused with Intel’s marketing.
Didn’t IBM say this as well?
No wait… that was 32 chips in total by 2010.
Every uber geek knows that the 1st batch of dual core from AMD were NOT 64 bit. Technically speaking they are not 64 bit but 48 (that’s another story). So Sammy don’t pretend to know everything. I always read the small print because the PR machine from AMD and Intel is just full of BS (especially the one from AMD). Don’t believe everything you are told by generic articles on the Internet.
True 64 bit architecture processors is made only by Sun, IBM, Siemens, Texas Instruments, and to some extent Intel (the struggling Itanium).
amsterdam cleverly described chip fanatics as “…egocentric and try to deffend the notion that “I own one, so it must be great”…” isn’t that the same as delusions of eloquence?
i’m glad that apple doesn’t use amd chips. having 2 cults under one roof is just suicide. this macdailynews blog is about apple and not amd. amd fanatics should simply stay out of apple turf. don’t backstab apple like you did with intel, because unlike intel steve jobs will nail you down.
Well Borg, NAME the revision of AMD’s “first batch” of non-64 bit chips that were sold and marketed to the public as 64-bit.
The fact is, Intel’s first “64-bit” processor used the same “48-bit virtual addressing” as did AMD’s Hammer series, and 64-bit memory addressing was still possible (and showcased).
And you always read the fine print? Find PR machines from manufacturers to be full of BS? Then you must have surely been appalled with Apple’s claim to “first 64-bit desktop” computer.
some of you people are just idiots. this is an apple blog and not amd crap. sammy, if you want to justify your cause, just go back to amd and get lost in your own athlon rubbish.
WE URGE PEOPLE NOT TO REPLY TO ANY AMD FANATIC CLAIMS. YOU’LL ONLY MAKE THIS WORSE.
REMEMBER THIS IS AN APPLE BLOG AND NOT AMD.
Sammy: Are you that informed to open the pandora box on 64 bit architecture processors? I guess you don’t know the difference between architecture and platform. May be you should ask someone at Sun or IBM. Only a marketing person juggles these words as synonyms. AMD success is just pure marketing and it was brilliant for a while. I hope other tech companies don’t follow AMDs marketing path, because honesty will disappear.
I rest my case, and I’ll listen to the “apple gods.”
With the average consumer, there is very little software taking advantage of dual-core processing and even less for the 64-bit processing. At the moment, only the design/movie studios have the ability to take advantage of multi-core reality. But what happens when we go to 32 core or more? Microprocessor manufacturers are usually 5-10 years ahead of software developers. Do you think that using a PowerPoint presentation on 32-core will perform better than on a single or dual-core? This multi-core era is definitely going to revolutionize (?), and prove some challenges for software developers. OS developers will have a lot of headaches in trying to repackage old features in a new box.
With proper planning (?) multi-core reality could be good news for software developers. For the masses, there could be a possibility for the development of an Intelligent OS that would resemble an earlier version of AI (my favorite is HAL). I don’t know if Apple foresaw this multi-core explosion. But I hope they are working on something because I’m not holding my breath for Microsoft or Linux.
In the South there is a say – you can’t fix stupid. No comments on chip wakos.
Intelligent OS… Hmm… that would definitely include voice and image recognition.
Good point domino360. At last I started reading something interesting in this Blog. Intelligent OS for multi core processing? WOW!!! My head starts spinning when I think of the possible software packages available for that kind of OS. I hope it becomes a reality. And I hope Apple software engineers can adapt to the multi core reality in a short period of time.
Since I’m a Unix person, I know that Linux is not that user friendly for the average John and Jane type people. Microsoft’s answer to 64 bit is the “Windows XP Pro x64” which is as buggy as Windows 98, and I’m not holding my breath either for Microsoft in the multi-core era. Microsoft shot themselves in the foot several years ago with Linux (Caldera?). Apple didn’t and that’s why it’s so special.
AMD success is just pure marketing and it was brilliant for a while. I hope other tech companies don’t follow AMDs marketing path, because honesty will disappear.
I rest my case, and I’ll listen to the “apple gods.”
I find it funny someone like yourself complains about AMD’s marketing while completely ignoring Apple’s tainted past. The first 64-bit desktop was not from Apple (AMD beat them to it while people like you were complaining about delay after delay for the G5). And no, where not talking about big power hungry chips from Sun, Texas Instruments that have nothing to do with personal desktop computing…..if you don’t know why POWER5 couldn’t just be slapped on a Mac, then yes you should continue to live your ignorance under the “Apple Gods.”
Then there was the marketing blitz that Apple promoted with the G5 (world’s fastest desktop computer) that brought Apple into court, and subsequent G5 ads were either banned or pulled.
You’d think it would stop there? No, Apple’s “benchmarking” always came under fire….
I guess we’re all tired of the endless PC versus Mac debate, I for myself have decided to not enter such a discussion with anyone again. If you’re comfortable using a Mac I’m not going to try and make you switch. Apple however has added more fuel to the fire today by releasing performance data for a number of dual G5 processor PowerPCs. Naturally Apple wouldn’t be Apple if the Mac didn’t beat the Pentium 4 by nearly 100%, that’s to be expected with benchmark data coming from Apple. What’s surprising though is the fact that they also benchmarked an Athlon-64 and concluded it performed far, far worse than the Pentium 4.
Last time we checked the Pentium 4 had a hard time keeping pace with the Athlon-64, even with the Pentium 4 running at double the clockspeed, so we are left scratching our heads as to what exactly has Apple been doing, could they have mixed up the numbers by mistake? Well, that’s entirely possible, as just about everyone knowledgeable about computers will tell you that clock for clock the Athlon-64 is the better processor. But there’s more, as becomes evident from reading the small print published with the benchmarks. The small print actually details that although available Apple hasn’t used identical applications on all systems for benchmarking.
For example, instead of using Adobe Premiere on both the Apple and x86 platforms they used Final Cut Pro on the Apple platform and Adobe Premiere on the x86. Not surprising the results differ, in Apple’s favor. Apparently Apple conveniently ignores the very basic principle of benchmarking; you should be comparing apples to apples, or at least make an effort to do so. This not only invalidates their scores but it makes Apple look particularly amateurish; clearly they don’t know the first thing about fair benchmarking, or simply went out of their way to have the new PowerPC come out on top. Fortunately they’re upfront and honest about their intentions as their opening statement reads: Your unfair advantages start with the PowerPC G5. And that’s exactly right; PCs usually get benchmarked on a level playing field, PowerPCs seem to need quite a bit of doctoring to make them come out on top, so much for a fair comparison.
Sander Sassen.
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1796/
AMD hasn’t even come CLOSE to Apple’s level marketing propaganda, yet you favor the “Apple Gods” and trash AMD’s “marketing.” I guess when you’re a blind zealot you can’t see true colors for what they are.
looking forward to spintronics and 1nm processes
He Sammy, can you please just get lost somewhere and never come back to this Blog? I hear AMD is looking for you, so just go. The more you talk the less respect we have for you. Most of us were not born yesterday to get brainwashed by your own stupidity.
Since I work in a Rederfarm, I know more about Intel and AMD than the amateur brain cells of Sammy. This year nobody can dispute that it’s an Intel comeback, and big babies like Sammy and other psychos cry that AMD is no longer Queen. The more I see people like these, the less I think of AMD because they can’t keep their fanatics in a tight leash. Didn’t you know that innovation goes in cycles? Ups… according to “ron white” “you can’t fix stupid.”
What do you call the last years 1 page ad AMD paid for where it complained about Intel? Or the NY extravaganza in Time Square? Most of balanced minded geeks laughed at these AMD stunts because they were so stupid that we couldn’t stop laughing. But there is a trick to AMD – the more negative publicity they can make of the opposition the more they win – and that works because ordinary people are “sheep” in the computer area and their purchase is based on repetetive subliminal advertising.
I have nothing against AMD or Intel. My company uses the best chip available, and this year it looks like we’ll get workstations and render nodes with Intel inside. This year the clear winner in the laptop and desktop areas is Intel. In 2p server area Intel comes back with the Xeon. So, after August the only thing AMD has to show is the Opteron which it’s great for 4p+ servers. It’s time for AMD to go back to work and do a major housecleaning of their fan club.
Anyway, this Blog is about Apple related stuff. If your personality reveals an ADD behavior because of you single-minded obsession with AMD, then your prescription medication can only be picked up at http://www.amd.com. So go… and never come back.
“Good Night and Good Luck!!!”
People buy Macs because they are easy to use, and Apple software is very user friendly and much more powerful than the Windows counterpart. If you bought a new system just because of the chip inside, then you are just another idiot. Sorry to say that, but the chip is just part of the equation. I’d rather spend more money on RAM, video cards, hard drives, monitors and software.
Can you imagine a 32-core chip on a 1nm? Apart from businesses, there is not much use for ordinary people. Most people even don’t know what a dual-core is good for. Educating the public is more important than brainwashing them to buy your product. I think software will dictate how good a chip will be. I hope an Intelligent OS can be made fast enough to take advantage of all these cores. Theoretically speaking, an early version of AI can be made using 64-bit architecture with at least an 8-core chip. That’s a reality in the Defense Industry. Ideally we’ll need 128-bit architecture, and I don’t mean clusters of 64s. I think this multi core reality could revolutionize the software industry, and the survivors will be the ones that spent a lot of money in R&D.
By the way, Borg if you come back please don’t reply to Sammy or others like him. It’s not worth wasting you energy with these kinds of people – it’s just like talking to a brick wall and in the end you don’t get anywhere. I’m not wasting my time with people like that.
UH… flaming AMD is everywhere.
Regardless of how much nostalgia is out there for the PowerPC, I personally I agree with the direction Apple chose. Flexibility is going to be the success story for Apple, and probably by the end of 2007 Apple will increase its share of 3% to 7%.
As for the chip inside, that’s all strictly business. Steve Jobs knew of the problems AMD would face in the near future and that’s why he went for Intel. Now AMD and their lunatic club are bitter with Apple. Hmm… gluttony… You can’t eat 2 cakes at the same time. Cray chose Opteron because of the socket. Apple chose Intel because of the roadmap. If you don’t like it the door is wide open. End of story.
Since the chip issue is solved, I think Apple should focus on software and if domino360 is right then we’ll see Hal 1 in the near future.
Since I work in a Rederfarm, I know more about Intel and AMD than the amateur brain cells of Sammy. This year nobody can dispute that it’s an Intel comeback, and big babies like Sammy and other psychos cry that AMD is no longer Queen. The more I see people like these, the less I think of AMD because they can’t keep their fanatics in a tight leash. Didn’t you know that innovation goes in cycles? Ups… according to “ron white” “you can’t fix stupid.”
Maybe if you hadn’t jumped to conclusions, or did a bit of fact checking, then perhaps you wouldn’t have made a complete ass of yourself and gone off in an irrelevant tangent. Yes we know Intel’s chips this year are excellent products and AMD has alot of catching up to do….a point which I made clear in countless discussions prior when many folks here were bashing Apple for the switch to Intel, especially to a certain individual named Odyssey67. I guess it’s easier to jump to conclusions rather than think with intelligence, eh? Next time keep yourself in mind when you quote Ron White.
However all of this has little relevance to the subject beforehand, which means your entire post of jabbering was utterly pointless. However, I will say AMD has every right to bring their antitrust suit to Intel…considering Intel did pull a Microsoft-esqe tactic against vendors to block concurrent AMD offerings, and released compilers that actually hindered performance on AMD processors upon detection.
Now, unless you have something relevant to contribute, (or would like to showcase more of your stupidity), keep your dumb off-topic posts to yourself.
Hey, i can peal more then 25 potatoes an Hour
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OH boy, some of you people are a piece of work and I haven’t got the patience for self-made retards. Since Sammy also mentioned the “antitrust suit” I guess he doesn’t know much about the state laws. The reason why AMD is suing Intel from Delaware is because the state of Delaware favors the “little guy” and AMD is just buying sympathy. If they opened this case in CA, or TX, or OR, or WA, or AZ, then the case would be thrown out of court due to “intellectual retardation.” So, as I said “you can’t fix stupid.”
Anyway, I see that some of you folks are talking the multi-core revolution and “Intelligent OS.” Before I give my opinion on this, I’ll summarize my background because it’s somewhat related to your ideas.
I’m an IT engineer for a company (no names allowed) which is part of a division and that in turn is part of Lockheed Martin. When I started working for them (20 years ago), we already had an “old” system that only used 40x16c 65nm – that is 40 16-core chips at 65nm. These chips were custom made by another defense firm which later on we bought it out. The reason why I mentioned this is because this multi-core system allowed us to create a custom 64-bit architecture OS that recognizes voice, retina scan, fingerprints and images. Not only that, but it controls 1000s of other terminals throughout the country and in some departments its voice activated. The OS we created was also part of a joint venture with other contracting firms. Your mind would spin if told you what we use today.
My reason for mentioning this is because the concept of “multi-core reality” has huge possibilities if some sort of control or monopoly exists. The problem with the private sector is that it has to deal with patents and law suits. Sharing technical information and profits is not the norm in the domestic high tech industry and creating such an OS brings a smile to all the lawyers in town.
Now, since Apple thinks different may be they can come up with something. It would be a petty if future Mac workstations use 32-core chips with the same OS, and all you do is run a 16-bit imaging software such as Photoshop; and I don’t expect Microsoft to come up with anything fancy since they are having lots of problems in the 64-bit area.
Anyway, good point about “multi-core reality” and lots of money is needed for R&D.
Take care folks and thing big!
Think Different and Leap Ahead!!!
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It’s amazing when you are illuminated by the “perfection” of AMD possessed people. When you cross check their info with third party industry analysts/geek sites, you realize some of the over polishing of ideas similar to the WMDs in Iraq. Sorry, I’m allergic to bullies and bs. People like Sammy give negative impression of AMD which at the moment resembles the movie “The Good Son.” I hope that’s not true, because we need the competition to keep innovation moving forward.
Remember, Apple fan club has a lot of market influence and the more AMD vents its over glossy propaganda, the more we will boycott every single product that comes and will ever come from AMD. If you want to spread your 2 dimensional language/obsessions in the Apple camp, you better start talking in at least 3 dimensions – we don’t know what you are talking about and we don’t care. Otherwise go to a priest for a confession.
This is Apple and we think different!
If the rumors for the new iPod are true, then may be we can expect a similar innovation in future releases of OS X. That could be amazing and we’ll get closer to a self-thinking OS or “Intelligent OS” in the multi-core era.
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By the way, Ron White, do you work for Area 51? I’m only kidding because I know you’ll never answer that question.
Sammy – “Now, unless you have something relevant to contribute, (or would like to showcase more of your stupidity), keep your dumb off-topic posts to yourself.”
Do you think your ideas are relevant in an Apple blog? I feel sorry for you! You sound like your daddy is AMD and it’s the end of the world if nobody agrees with you. Do you work for AMD? If so, go back to AMD. Otherwise calm down and go to a pub and have a drink.
I haven’t seen so much stupidity in my entire life, and it’s all because of a stupid chip. Gamers and designers are not loyal to AMD or Intel. They buy the best available chip. Some of my buddies, who are psycho online gamers, can hardly wait to get a Conroe because it smokes the overclocked Athlon FX-60. I’m sorry that you don’t like that, but the reality is that competition is good for business. To repeat myself, “Cray chose Opteron because of the socket. Apple chose Intel because of the roadmap. If you don’t like it the door is wide open. End of story.”
I agree with what “1001100101100101100-cardinal” said about AMD lunatics.
I also liked what I read about “self-thinking OS or “Intelligent OS” in the multi-core era.”
It’s time to go back to work. My gods are Maya, Softimage, Mental Ray, and Renderman.
You guys are kidding right? I’ve seen more discussions on here about Microsoft, Dell, Intel (pre-mac), but now all of a sudden this is an Apple blog. One discussion on AMD and now all the usedtobe Intel haters are MacIntel zealots. Now we have Apple zealots calling AMD zealots, well – zealots. Oh how the times have changed.
MDN-The only place I get some real entertainment these days.
Since Sammy also mentioned the “antitrust suit” I guess he doesn’t know much about the state laws. The reason why AMD is suing Intel from Delaware is because the state of Delaware favors the “little guy” and AMD is just buying sympathy. If they opened this case in CA, or TX, or OR, or WA, or AZ, then the case would be thrown out of court due to “intellectual retardation.” So, as I said “you can’t fix stupid.”
And since you brought up “state laws” you must not know much about the antitrust suit itself. I suppose “favoring the small guy” is a more appropriate condition for Delaware rather than say, testimony from Michael Capellas (former Compaq chief exec) stating Intel actually witheld shipment of chips because of Compaq’s increasing level of business with AMD?
State “Microsoft” and “Antitrust” together in the same sentence and the Mac community goes wild. Talk about hypocrisy.
Do you think your ideas are relevant in an Apple blog? I feel sorry for you! You sound like your daddy is AMD and it’s the end of the world if nobody agrees with you. Do you work for AMD? If so, go back to AMD. Otherwise calm down and go to a pub and have a drink.
Have you read my post? Go ahead and do an MDN search of “Sammy” to see just how far off the mark you are. Otherwise it’s quite amusing reading your ramblings.
We need something intelligent to discuss in this blog. Thanx to people like Sammy this blog is turning into a Jerry Springer Show. These people are just a disgrace to the human race. By the way “Apple Blog?” we are not MacIntel zealots. I don’t yet have a MacIntel. Before you talk would you like to buy me one? We just don’t like idiots trashing our party. How would you like us to trash your party? I’m sure you wouldn’t like that.
The is a very big difference between AMD fans and AMD fanatics. When you trash somebody’s place with no respect and expect people to worship your ideas, then you are an AH. There are too many fanatics running loose. There is a guy by the name Sharikou at http://sharikou.blogspot.com/ that is a PhD master in his own psychology (complete hypocrite). He is the biggest BS artist for AMD and everybody (and I mean everybody) knows him. Actually he’s a 100&#xps;ychopath. Isn’t he the best buddy for people like Sammy?
So Sammy and the like of you just go and get lost with Sharikou.
i just read parts of that sharikou thing and it made me feel that i was in an aa (alcoholics anonymous) meeting. there are not enough hospitals for people like that.
it is said that humans use only 3 percent of their brains and some might even use 5. fanatics use only 1 percent. i’m not a fanatic, but i know that “like attracts like”
peace for all! (that’s including the disturbed ones too)
Apple Blog? – usedtobe Intel haters are MacIntel zealots.
Yes, I do admit that some Apple fans are quite crazy. But, in general Apple fans are crazy for the overall Apple concept. Did IBM invent that? No. Did Motorola? No. Did Intel? No. Did AMD? No. In my opinion being crazy just because of a chip manufacturer is beyond stupidity, and some of you like to blindly push buttons. If you are a chip fan and want to post your opinions in other tech blogs, then I ask that you are polite and respectful of others opinions. If you don’t like what others say, don’t be rude because the door is wide open and you are free to go in your La La land. The more tyranny you show the less respect you get. “apple fan” said “like attracts like” and that’s very true.
The logic of a chip lunatic reveals “only 1 percent brain function” and a “2 dimensional language/obsessions.” Sorry, I can’t think of any nice words for AMD lunatics, and I have better things to do than talking to a brick wall – DAH.
“peace for all! (that’s including the disturbed ones too)”
“Good Night and Good Luck!”
Thank you Sammy for making this blog a mess. Shouldn’t you be extinct with the dinosaurs? The ultimate dream of a marketing person is to brainwash as many people as possible without taking any responsibility, and like this the “mother company” will escape criminal prosecution. I call that brain-hacking and I think it’s a white-collar crime resembling the shallowest point of marketing. Some of you people are really messed up, and unfortunately there is no cure. A treatment that controls this disorder (up to a certain extent) is to get a teddy bear hug it and say to yourself “everything is going to be alright.” If that doesn’t work, you can always get a strong dose of prescription medication at your local AMD pharmacy. I don’t think Apple pharmacy has anything for those people because we believe in natural ingredients.
Behind closed doors, every chip company wants to be a monopoly. That could be true if you make a specific chip for a specific market and nobody else is willing to invest that kind of R&D money. But platform wise there are very small differences between AMD and Intel. The problem is that none of them will admit it in a court of law that they want to be a monopoly, and there are too many oxymoron statements coming from the AMD camp – they cry foul, point fingers and leave the scene running when the heat is just around the corner. Too much talk with very little results. The green/black flag flies high in the middle of the desert, and only Wall Street cares because of short-term investment portfolios.
Las Vegas Gamblers = Wall Street
I hate Wall Street. All they do is spread vague rumors for a quick buck. They only know 5 percent of the tech industry, and the rest is just internet PR. Isn’t that how the stock market was founded? As for marketing people, many of those guys are just used car dealers with fancy degrees and overpaid salaries. I know that because I have to work with them.
We need Intel to loose weight and AMD to be honest with their claims. What might sound good for business it’s not necessarily good for the consumer. Honest competition is good for the CONSUMER. Otherwise we might as well buy crap from China through Wal-Mart.
I was browsing the web for some intelligent chit chat, when I came across this heated Blog that just made me laugh.
Since my firm specialized in Corporate Law, I can say that I know a lot about the tricks of the trade and that is “lawyers always win.” I know that corporate publicity might look exciting to some, but in the end they all have to pay legal fees.
Going back to my laughter, I see that Sammy took the Bar Exam in a cave somewhere in Afganistan, and now he claims to know everything. How amusing you are Sammy because your ideas have very little merit, and if you had to go to court representing AMD you would make AMD look bad. I think that it’s best that you don’t tackle subjects that go beyond your head. Since I see your knowledge tries to cover many areas of expertise, in the end you sound mindless. May be it’s best that you don’t even talk.
Keep in mind that before the case starts (2008), AMD and Intel can say anything they want (with no record), and we all know who’s be naughty lately. People like Sammy makes the tech industry look bad.
If you don’t mind Sammy, I’m going to pass this Blog to some of my co-workers, because now and than we need a good laugher.
Last year I bought a new desktop system with an AMD chip because there wasn’t much choice with Intel. Now Intel is back and if I had the money I would get a new system with Intel inside. So what’s the problem with AMD fanatics? Don’t you people have anything to do? Like go back to Taco Bell and overclock some Tacos?
I guess this dude by the name Sammy bought a $5K system a few months ago and now his chip is outdated because technological innovation is in constant change. To make things worse with this guy (and his gang) AMD doesn’t get the spotlight this year. What’s wrong with you people? Today is AMD, tomorrow is Intel, then AMD, then Intel, and so forth. If you don’t like it may be you shouldn’t consider yourself as a true geek. You guys are bunch of losers.
If it wasn’t for AMD fanatics, may be I would still get a PC. Thank you for advertising your low IQ, as my next system is definitely going to be an Apple.
there is a new movie coming out this year. it’s called “true crime” and the stars are the amd psychos, paid hackers, imported lawyers and third-party marketing people. it’s rated -g because it’s below average intelligence. not even jessica simpson will see this movie. warning: it’s a sick movie. the movie will debut only for 1 day. since it’s not going to be released on dvd or vhs, you can order a personalized copy at po box 3453, sunnyvale, ca 94088-3453.
after reading the comments from “self-made retards” i need a drink.
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anyone wanna beer?
ps: no chip discussion will be allowed. we play pool, throw darts and drink – lots of it.
<I>By the way “Apple Blog?” we are not MacIntel zealots. I don’t yet have a MacIntel. Before you talk would you like to buy me one?<I>
No I would not like to buy you one, but feel free to borrow my MBP anytime you want.
<I>We just don’t like idiots trashing our party. How would you like us to trash your party? I’m sure you wouldn’t like that. The is a very big difference between AMD fans and AMD fanatics. When you trash somebody’s place with no respect and expect people to worship your ideas, then you are an AH.<I>
When exactly did I trash your party? Are we a little bit defensive today? I just spoke on the facts, sorry if that bothers you, or maybe you just don’t know how to read.
Fact: I’ve been reading MDN for well over 2 years now.
Fact: There is more talk on MDN about everything that isn’t Apple.
Fact: Mac user for well over 10 years (not that it should matter), but I’m no zealot. I use computers, I don’t let them use me.
Fact: to you and Pixar fan – when did I ever post anything about being a fan of AMD or Intel?
I guess you do have to be an ah to know one.
So I guess no one will answer my question, when did this become an Apple only blog? Does it really bother you guys that much that someone really likes AMD? It’s like you guys forgot what it’s like to tell people you’re mac users.
The AH discussion was started by Sammy, and it looks like it’s already out of control.
There seems to be a confusion with “Apple Blog?” In your 1st entry you just briefly blurp things out, and I didn’t call you an AH. So there is no reason for you to get agro with me. I don’t mind AMD at all. I just don’t like some of the extreme fans trying to show off and humiliate others that don’t agree. I’m sorry, I’m allergic to people like that.
Since “www” is having a drink I’ll have a drink for you “Apple Blog?” and no hard feelings intended.
Take care “Apple Blog?”, have a good weekend and hopefully we can have some balanced interesting conversation in the near future.
I look forward more post from “Ron White, Natacha, Amsterdam, Domino360, and Dynamic Mesh.”
i don’t know what kind of blog this is. the name supposed to be about apple. but there are some of you that just like to talk trash.
i know some amd tech blokes that are not as messed up some of you people. if amd fans are not willing to correct the trashy ones, then generalized profiling will be normal. i’m disgusted at some of these amd trash bags. are you people part of the low end of the gene pool? what the hell is wrong with you people? go to iraq and fight people like yourselves.
the domain name of this blog sounds missleading to some that came for nearly 2 years. i think macdailynews.com should be changed to generaltech.com or gigo.com.
i’m going to contact the webmaster of this site and tell him to make some changes. this is a pathetic blog.
I think this Blog should be password protected and any self-made retards out that like to have some delinquent fun should be monitored and may be banned (IP address). Abusing the good will of a Web site is very wrong, and I must say disturbing. No wonder that trust doesn’t exist anymore. Fanatics of any kind should be sent back home at cave 666 in Afghanistan. I think “Sammy” likes that. There are other tech. Web sites out there better than this one and they don’t look like a boxing match. My IT experience is far more valuable than what AMD will ever envision. Since I’m bored with this Web site, I’m out of here permanently.
“Apple Blog?” if you came here for the last 2 years, did you get any good information? I was here briefly and I need a Scotch. No need to answer, I read your 2nd entry and it looks like you didn’t understand the point of “Pixar fan.” Don’t worry, brief misunderstanding can happen. I think you are a person of reason and may be now and than you should stand up against the extremes from chip manufacturers fan clubs. If you don’t do anything, then nobody will. That same stands for the rest of you out there that are scared to show that you are more intelligent than these self-made retards.
AMD needs to clean their fan club or they’ll start looking like Keith Richards. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Rolling Stones.
I like what some of you folks talk about and I wish you well!
Think Big and Be Good!
Correction:
I said “…My IT experience is far more valuable than what AMD will ever envision…”
It should be “…My IT experience is far more valuable than what AMD or Intel will ever envision…”
The technology people use today is decades behind what I use.
You don’t go to Intel or AMD to buy a PC and being so self-defensive still baffles me. I think that could be an undiscovered mental disorder similar to “Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome (MBPS).”
Sorry, but some of these AMD extremists are just dumb as dirt.
Adio!
Think Big and Be Good!
I almost forgot to pass a message to “Pixar fan”, “Domino360” and “Natacha”:
If companies get it right, an outcome of the multi-core reality would definitely be the use of VR equipment (such as a glove) in creating “Finding Nemo 2” or “Cars 2”. And that’s only just the start of “Intelligent OS.” Sound cool! Believe me this will be hot stuff and if Apple can pull this off, there is no point in buying any other PC. In time we’ll see if the domestic market can stop backstabbing each other with law suits over patents.
And by the way “Amsterdam” I don’t work for Area 51, and I know what you are talking about.
Sorry to say this again, but I promise you won’t see me back.
Adio!
Think Big and Be Good!
Madre Mia!!! Que tontos!!!
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I spent the last to years in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine working with my firm in recruiting software engineers. In Belarus one of my recently hired employees (Bogdan) asked me if I could do him a favor by lending him some money to get a laptop for his daughter’s university graduation. Now, you have to keep in mind the E. Europe is very very poor, and I decided to help Bogdan buy buying him the laptop as a present and forget about the money he wanted to ask. He only wanted $400 and I spent $600. After very polite debates he finally accepted my offer and we went shopping. We went to this nice looking PC store and decided to go for it. They had a wide range of desktops and laptops, and AMD signs were everywhere. Since we were going for a laptop, and since I know that AMD is very weak in that area I politely asked the sales man that it’s best to use a Centrino platform. His reply was a very strong NO and other sales people heard this and came to his aid and they started arguing with me and Bogdan that Intel is only in America. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing and I turned around looking at the door thinking to leave when a tram passed by with an Intel Centrino ad. I looked back and ask the sales people why there is an Intel ad on a tram if Intel supposedly be only in America. They continued arguing that AMD is the only choice and Bogdan asked me to accept it because things work differently in Belarus. There were other headaches with the video card too because they were trying to sell this PCI card wrapped in a bag and enclosed in a box with only Chinese symbols all over.
Later on that day I had the typical 8 course meal with Bogdan’s family and Vodka was everywhere. I asked him what happened earlier today at the PC store, and he started laughing and said how things work over there – AMD was the 1st to get into E Europe and they capitalized everything; the whole E Europe operates the almost the same; sales people have to sell only specific brands like AMD so the company can get a nice monthly bonus; if a client asks for some specific parts they have to refuse the offer at all costs and make the client feel guilty. When I heard that I said – that’s White Castle marketing service, so much for the customer is always right. Since Bogdan never traveled to America I had to explain what White Castle burgers were like.
The point of my story is that some of you people are junkies sniffing chips. Just because American corporation are somewhat behaving themselves in their own country, it doesn’t mean they operate the same way overseas. You’ll freak out at the business practices in other countries. Your golden opinion of AMD or Intel (AMD dominates 75 percent the third-world) will transform into an empty can experience. If the AMD/Intel chips are that good, then why promote selfish low-life marketing techniques in other countries? What… you already know that anything goes in a third-world nation? Before some of you people start parading with AMD or Intel flags, do your homework in their business practices in impoverished (emerging markets) nations and you’ll know how much honesty exists. Is AMD complaining about sales or market share? This has nothing to do with their product. It’s just pure marketing, and don’t ask me but it stinks just like McDonalds or Wal-Mart.
I bought many AMD systems before. Intel has very poor or badly managed presence in many so called emerging markets. It’s time for Intel to go to Jenny Craig and loose more weight. I’m glad the giant is still alive and hopefully this engagement to Apple would change Intel’s approach towards new users.
wow, so many flames. is this a tandoori oven?
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anyone wanna beer?
By origin I’m half Belgian and half Romanian and some of my relatives asked me if I wanted to live in Romania. I know how things work in that country and if you had to live there you’ll go insane. I agree with Alvarez. Very few Americans knows what happens overseas.
The case between AMD and Intel is just an extravagant legal show for the American public. Americans have too much money to spend and they’ve been conditioned that they always need something to fulfill their lives. You know, the money spent in legal fees could help millions of people through UNICEF. In the end they all settle out of court. Isn’t that similar to the settlements between Microsoft and Sun, and Apple…?
This whole debacle between AMD and Intel is just a fat joke. Any open-minded and intelligent person knows that.
this site is crap