RealNetworks’ CEO Rob Glaser has been interviewed by Kate Bulkley for The Guardian.
The Guardian: One could look at Real and say you are becoming the Sun Microsystems of players, i.e. you don’t have the critical mass to make sure you get the right content and the right number of users.
Rob Glaser: I think that is mathematically not true. I don’t think it is going to be a winner-takes-all game. I think we’ll have good share and Microsoft will have good share, and there may be one or two others.
MacDailyNews Take: Yeah, one “other” springs immediately to mind.
The Guardian: There are lots of other places for people to go to get downloadable music, so how will Real Music stand out given it is coming out relatively late in the game?
Rob Glaser: We know that in any of these consumer service businesses we don’t have a birthright to be the leader, but in the US we are number one in terms of music subscriptions with competitors Napster and Yahoo! And then there is Apple, which is slightly different.
MacDailyNews Take: “Slightly different,” as measured in billions of dollars.
The Guardian: Apple’s model is to make money on the sale of devices, using music to drive that – and it is working.
Rob Glaser: Apple has gotten away with this approach to a greater degree than we thought they would. The music industry has made a mistake, not by agreeing to Apple’s fixed-price level (79p per track), which is what gets all the attention, but by allowing Apple to create devices that are not interoperable. If you want interoperable music today, there is a very easy solution: it’s called stealing. The average number of songs sold for the iPod is 25, and there are many more songs on iPods than 25. About half the music on iPods is music obtained illegitimately either from an illegal peer-to-peer networks or from ripping friends’ CDs, which is illegal. But it’s the only way to get non-copy protected, portable, interoperable music.
Full interview here.
MacDailyNews Take: We congratulate The Guardian’s Kate Bulkley for conducting a nice interview with a subject who most likely only replied in between bites of Krispy Kremes. Best Interview Line of 2006 (so far): “The Sun Microsystems of players…” By the way, the reason Glaser concentrates on subscriptions is because he couldn’t compete with Apple’s iTunes in à la carte song sales. If Steve Jobs had a forklift, he could have literally handed Glaser’s ass to him, instead of just doing it figuratively. So, Glaser calls iPod owners thieves and proves that he can’t even be original with his foolish, unproven, and just-plain-wrong statements: Microsoft CEO Ballmer: ‘Apple iPod users are music thieves’ – October 04, 2004. Oh, here’s an interesting one, too, for those who prefer facts over the fantasies of a loser: Study shows iPod owners significantly less likely to steal music than the average person – January 13, 2006.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “jim” for the heads up.]
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I have legally downloaded music from the iTMS playing on my car stereo. I don’t own an iPod. I paid for all of my CDs. Who got Robbed?
Eat another donut fatty
one monkey boy quoting another it appears lol.
A guy with first name “Rob” calls others thieves..
MDN word: Think. Think before you talk.
iTunes is number 1 fat boy so you better get over it. Calling anyone who uses an iPod a thief sure isn’t going to win over any business for you anymore than your crappy subscription service does now Glasier man.
So iPods are not interoperable.
If they were interoperable they would do that by their users stealing music.
Since they’re not interoperable iPod users obviously don’t steal music.
They do though since not all music on iPods is purchased online therefore it must have been downloaded in some illegal fashion or copied from friends, who of course are likely to be thieves as well so they obviously didn’t even buy the CD themselves anyway.
His own logic doesn’t even fit together.
Personally I’ve never downloaded any song from p2p – apart from the themes to pigeon street and various other tv shows from my youth. I don’t have them on my iPod though, haven’t listened to them since and even if I could have bought them wouldn’t and would have just gone without. I’m not justifying it – just qualifying it.
Apple iPod owners call Real CEO Glaser a big fat F#%@Tard
“One could look at Real and say you are becoming the Sun Microsystems of players”
Glacier is more like the Scott McNealy of Sun.
Rob Glaser is an idiot, his software is an offence to my brain and you have to pay a subscription every year to keep using it.
I could stop buying music from iTMS, never connect my Mac to the internet again and my music would still play 10 years from now.
Can’t say the same about Real, can we?
Get Real, Real. BTW, when are you going to get flushed down the toilet?
And people with RealNetworks players have never burned a CD (their own, or borrowed), or downloaded a song from a peer-to-peer network to get music onto their devices?
All of the music on my iPod I’ve paid for – having bought the CD’s over the last two decades, and now bought from the iTMS.
It’s easy when your failing to sell your product to blame others for that failure (just ask Bill and MonkeyBoy…)
While its not legal, sharing music with friends often ends with the friend buying the original CD. Unfortunately, music these days is expensive for what you actually get.
JL
I have mostly legal songs in iTunes. I have ripped some friends CD’s but I would not have purchased them.
I have 346 songs on my Nano, about 50 of which were downloaded from iTMS. The rest are from my own CD/LP collection. I didn’t copy from anyone else. I’m no thief. Rob is only trying to divert attention away from his own troubles.
Where is that 25/iPod figure from? Is it based on number of purchases from the iTunes store? I’ve only purchased a dozen or so tracks from the iTunes store, but have ripped my entire CD collection.
Besides, I don’t need an iPod to illegally download music (moron).
Just curious.
We’re all theives and law breakers
Stop your gobbling. He’s right and you know it. It’s not necessarily relevant, but it’s accurate.
Safe bet that half your music wasn’t purchased in any fashion by you. Those of you who say you’ve never copied music from a friend or d/led illegally, that’s okay.. there’s someone else out there who’s never purchased legally and they balance you out.
I’ve got no idea what his point is, but he’s telling the truth.
yeah, that’s true – I don’t own any of my own CDs.
In fact before the iPod came around i didn’t even know music existed.
But once Apple got me savvy to music and it’s “iPod” i downloaded my 25 from the music store and pirated the rest – Arrrrrrgggggggghhhhh!
Real smart Real Ass. Call all those millions of customers you wish you had thieves. That’ll bring’em in.
Wrong! I don’t steal music. I purchased abount 100 songs and loaded my CD’s for the rest. Apple’s model works fine for me. There may be a song I hear on the radio that reminds me of the early days-then I rush home an buy that one song. Usually, the remaining songs on that album aren’t of interest to me. The one’s that are I have already purchased as CD’s and are loaded.
Rob Glasser is a Fat F___ !
MDN wrote: ” If Steve Jobs had a forklift, he could have literally handed Glaser’s ass to him, instead of just doing it figuratively.”
Upon reading that line, I sprayed my monitor, keyboard, and mouse with Diet Coke and now I have to call for maintenance. How am I to explain this?
Luckily, I’m at work and it’s all Dell junk – not my Apple Mac equipment at home.
Get real, Rob.
Give me a break.
Show me one MP3 player that doesn’t have some if not hundreds of songs copied from friends and family CD’s.
If anyone in this room says no they’re a liar.
Cut the holier than though crap.
This guy is an idiot. My little family unit owns four ipods, none of which contain any illegal music. Individuals who choose to obtain music/movies/etc illegally certainly are not limited to those who own ipods. ipods are the greatest thing that ever happened for legal downloads.
Now the about the comment regarding Sun Micro, while apropos in a way, I have fond memories of Sun workstations… none about Real though.
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so let’s say the iPod suddenly opens up and allows all formats and DRMs to be played on it .. so then those people would stop stealing ?
Sounds just like a cat or maybe a rat caught in a corner with no where to go….
Attack is the best form of defence, but this tool has taken it a step further.
For all the other widgets saying he is right, like Mr. PC Apologist, you can go join him if you think that only iPod owners illegally download music. Get real, no pun intended, everyone has at some stage done that, but to single out iPod owners and crap on them that you really are a TOOL.
Kind Regards
Leo
>But it’s the only way to get non-copy protected, portable, interoperable >music.
Odd, I have about 300 tracks purchased from emusic that are non-copy protected, portable and interoperable. I like getting tracks from emusic because I’m buying them, but also I don’t have to worry about which computers are authorized to play the tracks–the five computer limit isn’t a problem unless you have more than five computers!
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The labels are creating the problem by demanding DRM wrappers.
The line I likes was that “..many iPod owners use Rhapsody”.
Can’t say I’ve met one.
The only “truth” to Glasier’s statements is that some people are still downloading music they didn’t pay for. But I don’t see how the iPod is unique in perpetuating illegal music downloads. All other music players that play MP3’s can play stolen music. Apple has put in a good faith effort to minimize file duplication with their DRM. However, both Mac and Windows user can P2P all the files they want and play them on any device. It’s hardly all Apple’s fault for having the most popular player.
Clearly, Glasier has “jumped the shark”. Figuratively. I doubt he’s jumped over anything at all in the past 20 years.
/yes, I made a fat joke.
//wouldn’t be so easy if Glasier wasn’t a fat joke himself.
///damn! I did it again!
////i like slashes.
/////and pie.
Here’s my take on this:
Since MS and now Real are saying iPod owners steal their music it’s obvious to me that this is going to be the new ATTACk on Apple/iPod – Their message: “Apple condones stealing BUT we (Real/MS) are protecting the Music Labels and they are your savior.”
This will be the FUD attack on iPods; we know how MS is FUD’ing the Mac via the FUD on virus/mal-ware.
Too bad they can’t compete on product and have to make up stories.
BTW: Not ALL iPod owners rip music from illegal sources.
And, what about the other MP3 players, I have a feeling that they probably represent a greater portion of illegally ripped music.
(IMHO)
What is his point? Apple has offered multiple ways to load your iPod with legal music. You can rip the music from your CDs, you can buy music from iTMS, or you can create your own in Garage Band. There are also illegal means, which Apple does not endorse. All of these illegal means are also available for any other MP3 player on the market.
So, do you paint “all” iPod owners with the same brush, stating that because illegal means are available, we must all be pirates? I’ve got about 2500 songs on my iPod. All are on there by legal means. His comment is tantamount to saying that all automobile drivers are criminals because you can speed and run red lights in the car!
I was hoping my magic word would be ‘pies’!
25 legit songs sold on iPods? from the iTunes Store? He is so full of CACA! That came out to 50 million songs. Uh…..excuse me…..over ONE BILLION songs were sold on iTunes, fekken idiot! Do you math. He is “mathematically not true” as he put it.
As Steve Jobs has always said….most people have already had many many many store bought music CD’s accumulated over the years they are going to rip those in iTunes. And so WHAT if they borrow a friends CD…its un-enforceable and between two parties and none of ones business.
And I guess the (Apple iPod/iTunes success) stress is getting to him….he looks like he gained.
“Vose dampf (gulp) iFod…(swallow) Uvervs are feeves”.
Would someone get Rob a glass of milk next time?
Sorry….that figure is 2 million iPods sold as Apple put it this is back in 2004 mind you!
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/06ipodmomentum.html
“About half the music on iPods is music obtained illegitimately either from an illegal peer-to-peer networks or from ripping friends’ CDs, which is illegal.”
He forgot about songs ripped from rental CDs. Lots of CD rental shops here in Japan.
There are no illegal songs on any Real player because the company employs staff who follow their customers around and watch them closely. Both of them.
Cannot find the exact figure to date of iPods sold. 14 million +?
When iTunes first appeared…I ripped all my legally purchased CDs I had…over 600 of them…then I started to fill in gaps in my collection. Songs I wanted…but would never buy on CD because it was one song among crap…buying a CD is to expensive just to get one song.
Now I’m an iTunes Junkie…on average I buy 1-2 songs a day…and have now since it launched. It wasn’t until last July I got an iPod and it was a gift. I buy the songs to listen on my computer while I work…I don’t travel much so I didn’t need an iPod and even now that I have one I don’t use it much.
But you correlation between legal music purchases and iPod sales is spurious at best. You don’t have to own an iPod to buy music online.
Now if you excuse me…it’s time for me to drink some coffee and buy some music…or maybe some tv shows…but I guess I have to buy a video iPod before I buy those right?
Magic Word: ten – as in the amount of Big Macs Rob can shove in his mouth at one time – 10.
I’ve often wondered what percentage of Real’s revenue is passed on to the content creators and rights holders. Apple are very open about that and say that about two thirds gets passed on. I’ve often looked, but yet to find any figure specifying the proportion of their revenue that Real pass on to the labels and artists.
Why are Real so reluctant to quote a figure ? Could it be that Real are the people who are stealing music on a colossal scale and then renting it to their customers while leaving the artists with virtually nothing ? Glaser’s groundless accusations would be consistent with the actions of a desperate man with something to hide.
Glaser has brought up allegations of stolen music, now he should produce figures to prove how trustworthy his company is.
Bitter? Table for one. Bitter?
MDN “small” as in …
“Would someone get Rob a glass of milk next time?”
Rob doesn’t drink regular milk — heavy cream only, please.
Someone should slap his thighs with a large banana !!! What a moron !
If I were Apple, I would buy Real and then shut it down. Convert their users to iTunes and Quicktime and be done with it. Put fatty out of a job and have him go crawling to Microsoft begging for a management job.
Yeah, I “stole” every single one of the 2,000 songs on my iPod. I “stole” them from the iTMS and I “stole” them over en enture weekend of ripping every damned one of the 700 CDs I had collected since 1988 and filled up a FW HD. Now, if this fat bastard wants to tell me I “stole” them, go right ahead.
Maybe Glaser should sit there for 20 hours and rip CDs all freaking weekend. It’s probably the most exercise he has gotten in the past 20 years.
Ampar: from the looks of him I think he ATE Scott Mcneally. What an idiot.
Gee, could the other songs on my ipod possibly be from CDs that I actually OWN??!!
Rob Glaser should start an online petition in an effort to get Apple to make iPods interoperable with RealPlayer software. I bet Real’s faithful fans would fill the petition with gushing adoration for Ron and the wonderful RealPlayer.
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“Cannot find the exact figure to date of iPods sold. 14 million +?” – closer to 43 million
(sorry for the doubleposting)
The really funny thing is that Glaser’s logic can be extended just as easily to players using WMA.
In terms of songs I’m a lightwieght with just 1,500 (+/-). But every one of them came from a CD I purchassed, or from iTMS.
BTW, I rarely buy a new CD anymore. They are just too expensive, and hardly ever have more than two tracks you really want. Mostly I pick them up at yard sales, which is a legal purchase.
Fron the article: “our view is to make Real Music a great product with differential features such as user-generated content”
User-generated content… like podcasts? Wouldn’t that be revolutionary!
… with the blues, I hear you moan.
mw: “meet” rhymes with jabba’s litany of little feats
deedubya: “Show me one MP3 player that doesn’t have some if not hundreds of songs copied from friends and family CD’s. If anyone in this room says no they’re a liar.”
Grow up, we’re not all pimply faced school aged children like yourself. Like Rob you think there is has to be a one size fits all model for iPod users. I’m 46, haven’t bought a CD in over 10 years. Not because I’m stealing but because I’ve bought every CD I care to own long before iTunes was even a dream. I have about 150 CD’s, yet only chose to put 5 on my iPod because the iPod to me is just a podcast playback device. Mostly news, technology, and science. Don’t think there’s ever been a time I listened to more than 20 minutes of music on it in a single day. Still think I’m a a liar?
About 45 million iPods have been sold.
Overa billion songs have been sold from iTMS.
So that’s about 25 songs per iPod.
There’s also http://eMusic.com
Well –
What he said is partially true in relation to me. I had downloaded a fair number of songs illegally before iTunes came around. I simply couldn’t stand the music industry model of forcing me to buy whole CDs for one song. Once iTunes came around, though, I have bought the songs I wanted and continue to do so. Now, the ratio on my iPod is roughly 40% iTunes bought, 40% my own CDs which I had wanted to buy and 20% still from the downloads I had done before iTunes. No, I’m not an angel or a saint, but I think I’ve seen the light – and it doesn’t shine from Glasier’s fat a__!
He really needs to get a life.
While agree that the content of the material is laughable, it is beneath contempt to turn this into a personal attack on the speaker. His words speak for themself, there is no need to denigrate his physical attributes. Grow up people! This is not the sort of commentary I’ve come to enjoy on this site (MDN comments included!)
50 million iPods, 1 billion iTMS songs = 20 per iPod.
Now, how many people had already purchased significant CD libraries over the years that they spent weeks ripping to iTunes like I did? Legal in the U.S., I might add.
My iPod is full of my old legal CD collection and new stuff I buy from iTunes Music Store.
MDN MW: “truth” (you can’t make these MDN MWs up)
I woulda thought the subscription stores woulda encouraged more piracy cos they don’t let you keep the songs without paying extra.
Most fat people want to think – or want you to think – that they have a “condition.”
Yes, they do have a condition: 99.99% of them lack willpower.
I run 4-5 days per week, 2-4 miles per day and play soccer indoor and outdoor year-round. Guess what? I can eat whatever I want, as much as I want and I’m not fat.
Get off your lard asses and get moving and stop inflating my health insurance rates, you lazy fat slugs. You’ll feel reborn, too.
To No Kool Aid here: LOL! Maybe that’s why Scott stepped down. He was being eaten alive. That’s a Real Meal Deal.
None of these guys who call the general public “thieves” ever talks about the reverse side of the coin…
Back when CDs came out, I spent a lot of money buying “clean” copies of music that I had bought on vinyl. I helped make all of those Sixties acts rich the first go around.
I read where much of the early CD sales were driven by people re-buying old music. The same with 4 track, 8 track, mono to stereo & tapes for mixing. I paid for years of double & triple dipping by the music companies.
I bought three copies each of “Satanic Majesty,” “Abraxas, Bold as Love” & “Are You Experienced?” because I wore them out or scratched them at a party.
So yes, when Napster first showed up I did download music without paying for it (again) & I got copies of my Animals tunes, my Hendrix & my Beatles. I not only already paid for this music, but often multiple times.
So, I contend that my Dwnlds were legal shifting of format & since I’m not selling or redistributing them, I feel no qualms. If the tune is good, I want the graphics, liner notes & label to go along with a good quality recording. That means after I download & decide I like it, i’ll buy it.
I buy new music I like, if I really want it & I’ll do what I want with it after I’ve bought it.
I could end this rant by saying something like “Hey Rob, eat me.” but that’s kinda scary because he looks like he might. I see an avaricious personality that has a hard time telling himself to stop.
And my love/hate relationship with MacDailyNews continues:
I love the fact that it puts together a great summary of Mac news.
I hate the fact that most of its “editorial” takes consist of the kind of venom and adolescent bs that seems more like Fox News commentary than informative discussion.
And with a guy like Glaser, who is fighting a losing business battle and just won’t admit it, you can’t focus on the business/Mac aspects, you need to cut in with the Krispy Kreme comments (funny, but I notice you don’t publish any photos of yourself. Guess you don’t want to scare us with your washboard abs and bulging biceps?).
I think I’m finally gonna delete MDN from my bookmarks and focus on the post-adolescent sites like Ars and TUAW.
(and please don’t bother flaming me, ’cause I won’t be hanging around to read it)
12,000 songs. Paid for 95% of them.
compare to my tape collection (which hasn’t been used in 6 years):
10,000 songs. Paid for roughly 50% of them. Legal under fair use.
In the first case, the 5% may be illegal, but only because the laws were not made to address digital music. The laws need to be changed to allow the same fair use standard for digital music as for their analog counterparts.
So if you’re a sniveling toadie that believes that having a track ripped from a CD I didn’t buy is oh so horrible, get a fucking clue. The music industry has lived with that part of the business since the 70’s. It is sharing the ripped CDs with millions and high volume P2P stuff that is the problem. If you can’t see that difference, you’re useless.
Who ate all the pies?
Glaser! Glaser
Who ate all the pies?
Glaser! Glaser!
I love illegal music. It’s like free candy.
Giofoto, it is over 38,000,000. THat brings legal songs sold to 950,000,000, so Mr. Real is just about correct. Still, he’s off of his rocker.
I have thousands of songs on my iPod, but have only bought about 100 off iTunes.
THE REST WERE RIPPED FROM CDs I ALREADY OWNED!
Does fat Boy forget that people bought music before iPods existed? That people already had music collections?
Idiot.
His “average 25” figure, taken from a gross estimate of ipod hardware against itunes songs sold, completely ignores the content due to ripping your own CDs, and stuf such as audio-books or free Podcasts or purchases via other music sites.
Although, MDN can hardly take the higher ground here with schoolyard style references to the mans weight. C’mon, you cant be taken seriously with such childish commentary.
How could this moron become CEO is beyond me but I know for sure all the songs on my iPod Nano, beside the ones I purchased from iTune, are legal because I ripped them from my own CD collection. It is insulting to call all iPod owners who have more than 25 songs on their iPod thieves, such idiot!!!
IS REAL’S SERVICE COMPATIBLE WITH MACINTOSH??????????
IF NOT WHAT THE HELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT???????????
“it is beneath contempt to turn this into a personal attack on the speaker.”
Normally I would agree with you, but Rob just keeps putting that giant target on his back when he opens his mouth to spew forth his FUD-laced and jealousy ridden drivel between bites.
I say screw him. It’s open season as far as I’m concerned.
Good business model. Insult millions of potential customers, then sit back and wonder why they’re not your customers.
Interesting definition of a ‘thief’ dickhead.
So I buy all my music from the iTunes music store and I am a thief.
Last time I heard a thief is someone who steals things. So, Mr Dickhead YOU are a thief because YOU are trying to steal Apple’s dominant position in this music market.
Good luck trying – you aint gonna have any success at it by accusing paying customers of thievery – infact say goodbye to ALL your current customers with that iresponsible and pathetic attitude.
I will now actively promote thievery by telling everyone I know to buy and iPod!
R.I.P. Real (November 2006)
Three iPods in this household…containing over 9000 songs. About 200 from iTMS. The rest ripped from our CD collection. ZERO stolen!!! Fricken Jerk!!
Hey fatty, theres a burger and a couple fries in the garbage bin beside you.
Stick to the issues, which are legitimate, and lose the personal attacks, which hurt your credibility.
in my honest opinion the real question is how many krispy cremes can glaser cram into his fat-ass mouth?
Yes ma’am !
Looks like that guys reaching for a donut… grab grab, bite… talks with mouth full…
Rob has gained weight, he will proabably die soon.
Fatty and Skinny went to bed, Fatty rolled over and Skinny was dead.
MSN Word: room. As in not enough room for Fatty.
i wonder who pays the fat man ?? the recording labels, M$, his mother ??
its too bad, Kate Bulkley didn’t ask the question “can’t you steal music using other devices?”
Glaser seems to me to be so envious of Jobs. I get the impression in his head he hears; “how can this guy & company do what they do?”.
Real software sucks. Bottom line. And you know what, I stopped writing this to delete all traces of it on my PowerBook.
Ballmer and Glaser just don’t get it. I can only paraphrase a Jobs quote of, “Apple designs & builds products that people never knew they needed, until they use it and buy it”.
Innovators and leaders such as Apple scare the hell out of Gates, Baller for sure and Glaser for sure.
Real is gone IMO within a year. Ballmer is gone within 6 months.
hey nw3227,
Mr. Porky Pig called me a thief. All songs on my iPod (about 6000 of them) come from my CD’s that I purchased. This also includes a few iTunes songs. If Mr. Squirrel Cheeks proceeds to insult me, sure I could take the high road and not call him Mr. Fat Bas*ard, but his arguement is such an insult to anyone’s intelligence, I have no problem call Mr. Lard Ass a name. So here goes,
Mr. Pididiot….his first name is Stu.
I bet its his mother. He probably lives with her anyway so she can also cook him his favourite home made pies and pancakes.
The REAL interview:
Glaser: “The average number of songs sold for the iPod is, uh…er…”
(looks at open doughnut box, counts to 11, subtracts from original total)
Glaser: “…25, and there are many more doughnuts, i mean, songs on iPods than 25.”
he does seem to have a bit pf packrat in him….keeps most of those pies and pancakes for later
umm.. err… (burp) did someone say donut ? (burp)(fart)
Yes, and if I stop paying Real for their subscription, I lose all the music I downloaded, no matter if it’s on an iPod, Sony Kidney Bean, Creative Brick, or whatever. No thanks.
“About half the music on iPods is music obtained illegitimately either from an illegal peer-to-peer networks or from ripping friends’ CDs, which is illegal.”
And he did an iPod by iPod search to confirm this ??
What an asshole (a used one at that)
Rob Glaser has such a talent for embarrassing Real that they really should have him speak only through a press secretary. I hear that Puffy McMoon Face is looking for a job (Scott McClelland). I bet he’d get it, too, if he brought some donuts to the interview.
/definately going to hell for that last joke!
Rob, trying to create a reality distortion field is something best left to experts. Give it up.
Mr Glaser I say to you what Dean Vernon Wormer told Flounder:
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
I am giving you pearls here Mr. Glaser.
More personal attacks, this time on Glasser. You are incompetent and you are cowards.
I’m pretty sure that sensitive enough equipment would be able to detect the curvature of space/time around Rob Glaser. In fact, Einstien proved that time moves slower near massive bodies and that would explain Rob’s relatively slow thinking.
/Thursday is fat joke day!
//btw, i’m 5’11” and 175#
///still like pie!
I work in Seattle about 4 blocks from the Real offices on Elliott. Never seen Rob though. Perhaps he uses the freight entrance.
This one really pissed me off so I fired off the following email:
Dear Real Networks,
Rob Glaser isn’t doing Real any favors by calling iPod users thieves. I’m an iPod owner and there isn’t one track on my player that I haven’t purchased. I’m sure having his ass handed to him every quarter by Apple makes Rob a little bitchy but you might encourage him to watch his fat mouth and quit casting dispersions about people that might be potential customers. Or in my case, a new ex-customer. I’ll never user another Real product again and Rob only has himself to blame for that.
Seriously, it’s not nice to make fun of someone who is overweight. But then, calling people theives just because they use a competitor’s product is not the classiest thing to do either. Rob opened himself up for ridicule when he called iPod users theives. It’s that whole glass house thing and he’s getting what he deserves.
OTOH, Steve Jobs is a vegan and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t eat donuts.
Ballmer doesn’t just think iPod using PC owners are thieves, he thinks all PC owners are thieves.
The latest XP security update tries to automatically add a program that searches all storage devices for illegal (unregistered) Microsoft software (OS and Office programs mostly).
They do give you the option of paying to register this illegal software before, one presumes, jack booted thugs break down your door and haul you away.
Those fat bastards are all alike.
Thanks everyone for posting the correct figures. They are all over the place…just a matter of finding the right ones.
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Steve Jobs is neither a vegan or vegetarian. He is a pescetarian.
Rob —
Your own Rhapsody service uses Windows Media format. Are you trying to destroy your own Real player and tie yourselves to a proprietary format that doesn’t work on anything but Windows? And the store says its only available in the US? Is that what you call interoperable?
Why don’t *you* make us a nice, interoperable, international, platform-agnostic format for digital music? After all, you do run a media-technology company…
Half of my 10,000 plus digital music collection is legally downloaded via LimeWire. I live in Canada and it IS LEGAL.
Having said that, over 95% of my LimeWire downloads are tunes that were recorded over 30 years ago. There is absolutely no way these tunes should still be covered by copyright. I have not stolen from anyone.
Little message to Rob:
I have a original music CD collection of more than 400 cd’s, most of them i have putted on my ipod, i did not steal 1 song, i did not bought 1 song of itunes since i buy cd’s. If you call me a thief you fscking prick, i call you a guy with a bluy eye, because that is what’s gonna happen if i see you in real life.
To Tub O’ Lard:
90% of the music on my iPod is ripped from CDs I have owned since 1985. The other 10% come from iTunes. The only two mp3s I have on there that have been acquired from peer-to-peer are clips from “Crank Yankers”. Go fsck yourself, you chunky ass whale shit. If any blood at all passes through that suppository you call a brain, I’m sure it’s immediately redirected to your stomach to process the forty dozen more pastries you just ate.
What a maroon…
Glaser looks like that fat guy on the Monty Python movie that explodes when he eats the “one tiny mint”.
“What a maroon…”
What a ta-ra-ra-goon-de-a
As of right now, over 6600 items on the iPod (video, music and podcasts), none stolen…much ripped from my own CDs but a lot purchased from iTMS (and of course the podcasts are free).
The main reason Apple got into the iPod/iTMS business is because the competition DID NOT WORK WITH MACS…they did it to keep their own customer base from defecting. When the popularity skyrocketed, it only made sense to extend the pleasure to PC owners. If Real had made their service available to Mac owners sooner, maybe they might have sold a few more players.
MW=another; Glaser’s just another hack CEO presiding over a sinking ship…
Hey, can we get pictures of the MDN crew. Then we can make meanspirited jokes about you guys because I’m certain most of you don’t have those Mel Gibsonish good looks. Come on, you won’t mind because you all realize that if you can dish it you can take it ’cause your all really tough as nails and wholly secure in yourselves.
Pay Glaser’s subscription and download as much as yo want!
Don’t pay Glaser’s sub and lose as much as yo wanted.
What a steal!!!
I was listening to music before the ipod and online music was available and had a collection of cds and records ,this collection is 95 % of my itunes music library and yes ,my collection is growing I still buy CDs that are not available at the itunes music store,and have purchased 206(20 CDs) items from the itunes music store since it opened in switzerland. Some friends send me new music to listen.If i like it ,then i buy it just like i did before digital/download music . The only difference is before it was an audio tape(remember them) from your friends and now you get a digital file mp3 or aac and so on.I think this is just one of the ways a band gets more popular.
i don’t think that i am the only person who will pay money for music that i like. Are all other ipod users thieves I DON’T THINK SO… Big Business says consumers are thieves I THINK THAT IS FUNNY…..I MEAN STUPID!!!!!
I am 32 years old ,play guitar,and played in bands when i was younger.i don’t want to rip of any other musician….