Apple today introduced Boot Camp, public beta software that enables Intel-based Macs to run Windows XP. Available as a download beginning today, Boot Camp allows users with a Microsoft Windows XP installation disc to install Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac, and once installation is complete, users can restart their computer to run either Mac OS X or Windows XP. Boot Camp will be a feature in “Leopard,” Apple’s next major release of Mac OS X, that will be previewed at Apple’s Worldwide Developer Conference in August.
“Apple has no desire or plan to sell or support Windows, but many customers have expressed their interest to run Windows on Apple’s superior hardware now that we use Intel processors,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing, in the press release. “We think Boot Camp makes the Mac even more appealing to Windows users considering making the switch.”
Boot Camp simplifies Windows installation on an Intel-based Mac by providing a simple graphical step-by-step assistant application to dynamically create a second partition on the hard drive for Windows, to burn a CD with all the necessary Windows drivers, and to install Windows from a Windows XP installation CD. After installation is complete, users can choose to run either Mac OS X or Windows when they restart their computer.
Funny Apple notes on the Boot Camp web page include:
EFI and BIOS – Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.
Word to the Wise – Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it’ll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes.
The public beta of Boot Camp is available immediately as a download, and is preview software licensed for use on a trial basis for a limited time. The final version of Boot Camp will be available as a feature in the upcoming Mac OS X version 10.5 “Leopard.” Apple does not provide support for installing or running Boot Camp and does not sell or support Microsoft Windows software. Apple welcomes user feedback on Boot Camp at:
Boot Camp requires an Intel-based Mac with a USB keyboard and mouse, or a built-in keyboard and TrackPad; Mac OS X version 10.4.6 or later; the latest firmware update; at least 10GB of free space on the startup disk; a blank recordable CD or DVD; and single-disc version of Windows XP Home Edition or Professional with Service Pack 2 or later.
More info about Apple’s Boot Camp public beta and download link here.
MacDailyNews Take: Welcome to “Embrace and extinguish,” Apple-style. The war ain’t over, folks. It never was. Now, a new chapter begins and today’s shot will be heard around the world! Don’t you just love the smell of napalm in the morning?
This doesn’t hurt Microsoft (yet), but it absolutely puts Dell, HP, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc. into a world of pain.
Why buy a Dell when Apple’s Intel-based Macs will run both Mac OS X and Windows? As we wrote way back on June 8, 2005: Oh, so one could buy a Mac and run both Windows and Mac OS X or buy a Dell and only be able to run Windows. Muahahahahah! So, can anyone explain why would anyone in their right mind would buy a Dell or any other Wintel box assembler’s kit again? This is shaping up to become a “license Mac OS X or die” problem for the Dells of the world. But, what if Steve Jobs doesn’t feel like licensing Mac OS X? Checkmate. Is it too early to suggest that Michael Dell shut down the company and give the money back to shareholders?
Wait until Wall Street figures this one out.
As we wrote in a MacDailyNews Take on May 9, 2005:“The war isn’t over until there’s a surrender. Apple’s still here and the Mac platform is growing and advancing, not shrinking and retreating. As long as Apple makes Macs, as Yogi said, ‘It ain’t over ’til it’s over.’ PCs are turned over every few years; all it would take is for the average user to choose a Mac for their next computer and things would quickly change drastically. With Windows in disarray and Longhorn looking more like Stillborn, right now is Apple’s best time to strike and strike hard.”
Our own SteveJack wrote on December 28, 2005, “Could Steve Jobs be preparing to drop just such a bomb on the Windows box assemblers at Macworld Expo or sometime in 2006? Would he first drop just a moderately destructive atomic bomb on the likes of Dell, HP, Lenovo, Gateway, etc., leaving out the ‘Windows apps on Mac without Windows’ threat to Microsoft? Or could Jobs actually be boldly planning to drop the industry-devastating hydrogen bomb on both the Windows box assemblers and Microsoft all in one fell swoop? If a Mac could run Mac OS X and Windows, who would buy a Dell, HP, etc.? If a Mac could run Mac OS X and Windows applications without Windows, who would buy a Dell or a copy of Windows from Microsoft? And what would Microsoft be able to do about it? Drop Internet Explorer for Mac (LOL)? Drop Office for Mac? Big deal, we’ll run the Windows versions on our Macs then, if need be. Is this why Jobs has been building a world-class library of Mac-only software titles for years? Does Jobs still harbor the desire to take back the personal computer industry from Microsoft? Could that be the real reason why Jobs is undertaking the massive switch to Intel-based Macs? Or do you really think the switch to Intel-based Macs is just to get better performance per watt CPUs for Apple iBooks and PowerBooks?”
As Windows-only users buy Macs that will provide them their “comfort” of Windows, they will experience Mac OS X and use it for the excellent Mac-only applications. We all know what happens when people are given the chance to really use Macs for longer than five minutes, they usually want to buy a Mac. These new Apple Mac hardware users will start out using Windows more than Mac OS X and end up using Mac OS X exclusively. Watch and see.
While dual-booting is okay for those that need to use Windows apps, we’d still like to eventually see a solution like Darwine that runs Windows apps without Windows directly in Mac OS X. When that happens, the revenue going to Microsoft dries up and Windows’ death accelerates dramatically.
For those worried about Mac developers leaving the Mac OS X platform and just writing for Windows, we do not think that’s a real worry. Mac developers write for Mac OS X because of the numerous advantages it offers both to them and to the end user. The largest Mac developer, by the way, happens to be Apple, with many best-in-class Mac-only applications (the iLife suite, for just one example). You can’t run these on Windows and Apple isn’t about to abandon Mac OS X for Windows. Oh, sure, maybe a few smaller developers will try it, but most of the shaky Mac developers have already been weeded out during the Mac OS X transition anyway. Mac OS X is strong and getting stronger. Don’t worry about developers leaving the Mac platform for Windows; it’s not going to happen.
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i realllly hope this isnt the begining of the end of our beloved os
HOLY CRAP
MDN Magic Word = RUN
AWAY?
Holy crap batman? This is quite a surprise…and a definite shot across the bow.
whaaaa?
MW: plant, as in the seed has been planted!
HOLY MACKERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i never thought id see the day.
fantastic news for the people out there that want to run the odd windows app.
time to throw away that ugly but never the less neccassary windows box for many people.
Marvellous coup, this will wipe out Dell and Microsoft. –> Vista delayed – Bootcamp – Leopard in August –> why the hell should you buy anything else than a Mac : thi sis the real reason for the Intel Switch !
good move buy apple. shows a realistic and responsible attitude. I’m impressed.
i’d prefer ultra fast emulation though so I’m waiting…
According to Weather.com — Hell just got 24 feet of fresh powder… time to go skiing!
wow… apple has just gone for the kill.
“i realllly hope this isnt the begining of the end of our beloved os”
Does this actually make any sense? Yeah, Apple has pushed how many hundreds of millions of dollars into development of OS X? All so they could abandon it to run Windows? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Sure.
Ultra Fast Emultation?! are you nuts? this is as fast as it gets chief… native speed.
This is the best April Fools joke Apple could have pulled. Let a bunch of individuals pull their hair out vying for $13,000 in donation money and then once they come up with a somewhat-less-than-elegant solution, pull this Boot Camp rabbit out of their hat. Ha!
Watch what Apple stock does when the markets open.
rick – i mean – why would developers pump there money into porting apps if mac users can run windows versions – not my view but possibly theres?
BUY APPL NOW!!
Before the rush!
when windows gets virus’ed (and it will), will it also bring down the OS X “partition”?
Hhhmm…I prefer virtualization over dual boot.
Ahh, now I can enjoy the night-mare that is Windows on my brand new MacBook Pro.
I’ll check it out but I’m not thinking dual boot is really what I want. I need side by side – drag and drop. Maybe I’m missing that part.
Good god .. I’m soooo excited!
I like this that apple wrote (in the bar on the right):
Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.
Nicely Said!!!
I jumped the gun when I sold my Intel Mac much too soon. Somebody got a bargain out of me and now I’ll have to buy a brand new Mac to dual-boot.
MMMMMUUUUAAAAHHHGGGHHH!!!
I’d still prefer a windowed / VM environment that I can protect “inside” Mac OS X. I guess that this is the first step, but now Apple need to include all their drivers (as in the Beta Bootcamp) into a VM solution.
I don’t want to have to reboot my Mac averytime I need to use a Windows App … it will be mighty frustrating.
Also, I agree with the points raised above … if the Mac boots natively into XP, many “switchers” may never use OS X again once they have their crappy Windows running.
I’ve got a bad feeling about this….
Wasn’t April 1st LAST week?
Is this good or bad? Hmmmm… gooooood question.
If it gets more people to buy Macs… GOOD
If it means that less software is developed for Mac… VERY BAD.
How many recent switchers, or those with plans to switch, have purchased Intel-based Macs thinking that they’ll be able to run Windows applications simply because Macs now use Intel processors?
if these people buy, expecting to run Windows and suddenly realise that they can’t… well… definitely not good.
So, Apple may want an “official” way for people to run Windows to avoid disappointed switchers, bad press and potential lawsuits. Although, will Apple suddenly be swamped by tech support calls for Windows itself?
Apple is truly between a rock and a hard place in this situation.
Ideally, someone will figure out a way to run Windows apps WITHOUT having to stoop to buying and running the scourge of Windows itself.
So, what’s this gonna do to Apple’s stock price? (If anything) Hmmm….
looks like Paul Thurrott sold his iMac Core Duo a little TOO early
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AAPL up 6% so far in pre-market trading.
I just got a massive Soft-On.
Wow, look how flacid I am…. looking forward to all the virus’s on my Mac!!!!
Don’t think so.
Leo
I spent yesterday at LinuxWorld – yes, Apple had a presence there – and this “boot camp” thing is so many kinds of “wrong”.
Dual-boot is SO passe … you lose most of the benefits of owning a Mac when booted into another OS. And it costs you so much time to shift gears!
The Linux world is having fun with “Virtual Machines”. I saw a high-end SP-DC AMD running two kinds of Linux (may be wrong on that, one was titled “Home”) and three kinds of Windows (even a Vista beta) – on a single screen at a single time. The display was dominated by a large browser-like window with Tabs at the top – select a tab to change OS selection. All were ‘running’ at once, all responded to the usual clicks and such. Not much different from “Fast User Switching”, graphics aside.
Apple recently hired folk with VM credentials on their resumes, why should we believe that “BootCamp” is targeted at “Dual Boot” when it’s just as essential for “Virtual Machine”?
I almost shit myself when I saw this on my Excite homepage this morning. While I was asleep, Apple was hard at work (again).
So many questions…..is virtualization next or is this the way it will be in Leopard? Will us PowerPC folks be able to run Bootcamp in Leopard? Can you get viruses and spyware on that separate partition?
I think that last question is the most important, not because of security issues, but switchers will see how crappy and slow Winblows runs on that partition once it gets bogged down with these malware nasties and realize that it’s the OS stupid and not that they need to “get a faster computer” as so many Windoze users think.
MDN Word: “both”, as in this gives us the best of both worlds (if you want to use the word “best” to describe Windoze in any context).
OK, my statement was tongue in cheek… I sort of take it back… because if Steve wants to go down this path he OBVIOUSLY has a bigger plan and I like big plans.
We live in exciting times.
Leo
I sold it at $63 thinking it couldnt go any higher. now its passed $65.
i think thats as far as it can go.
They just dropped the BOMB!!! It’ll be all over for MS.
Stock has already risen over 3% in early morning trading…
They even managed to make the Windows logo look elegant
Look at it this way. Apple knows they have the superior OS. What better way to demonstrate that fact than allowing people to do a side-by-side comparison for themselves. No suspicious benchmarks, shady zealots, marketing excrement, or sales monkeys to wade through.
Heck, this is pretty what got me to switch. I had a 200MHz HP Vectra and a 75Mhz Performa 7200CD on my desk. My job required me to use both. It wasn’t long until I figured out that if I wanted to actually get work done, I used the Mac. Period.
This is great, now i can get the powerbook i wanted. as it can run all the programs i need.
(try convincing someone to spend twice as much, and still not have acssess to all the programs you need)
Oh … regarding the link above (and here)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
when was the last time Apple ‘misdirected’ its faithful regarding what it planned to do? It seems half the time it isn’t puffing itself it’s re-directing our attention or offering denials that aren’t QUITE lies.
unix, theyre giving people an option.
an option that doesnt exist on any other platform.
anyone with a brain would use mac os over windows, but sometimes there maybe a application that you need to run, ie alot of people cant use a mac at work because of some damned internal application. These people can now take their macs to work and use windows when they need to.
this solution has already been solved, apple are just trying to get people to have a better user experience should they want to do it.
Me thinks that just is just the beginning of this story. I would be curious as to the state of things next year at this time.
Paul Thurrott sold his new Macintel iMac the other week. He must be feeling a complete ninny today. Snigger… I bet he’s off to buy a MacBook Pro this afternoon. Resistance is Futile! You will be assimilated!
I don’t see this as being quite such a big story as some comments suggest. It’s an interesting story, but not earth shattering.
For those who need to occasionally run a Windows application, Boot Camp will mean that they don’t have to have a PC any more, but for anybody wanting to frequently work on a Windows application AND work on Mac applications, dual booting will be a pain as you’d have to shut down and restart to go from PC mode to OS X mode.
I unreservedly welcome the news, even though I have no reason to run Windows myself, but I think that the real breakthrough is going to be when virtualisation becomes possible and users can copy & paste between Windows and OS X.
When virtualisation is an option, users can choose between booting into Windows alone, or booting into OS X with a virtual version of Windows running alongside it. That should then offer solutions for most users.
Those who’ve used OS X since the early days will recall the difference between Classic mode and booting into OS 9. Superficially, the two appeared to be similar, but Classic mode didn’t support all the extensions that booting into OS 9 allowed. However, it was a pain to have to shut down and re-boot, so it wasn’t something I did unless I really had to. Those wanting to run Windows on Macs will be having to make similar trade-offs.
Heard somewhere in the Pacific Northwest today:
“I’m going to fscking KILL Steve Jobs”
AAPL is up 5% at the opening bell. This is only good short-term news for investors/traders. The stock will trickle down until new hardware products come from Apple.
Checkmate!
MW=volume
AAPL volume today will be tremendous!
Apple is a software company. They are making their own Pro Apps that define and set the standard for quality and ease of use.
The threat to end Mac support (by developers like Adobe and MS) has been defanged.
If Adobes Photoshop codebase has become so bloated and antique that they can’t get a revised edition out the door in a timely manner, Apple will blow them out of the water with another (skunkworks) revelation, Aperture can do it all, better, faster, easier and cheaper.
If the MS BU can’t get a decent Office package out, then Apples Pages software will suddenly sport the (skunkworks) spreadsheet module. And, let us not forget, Pages is $79 compared to MS Office bloatware starting at $149 for Student/Teacher edition.
For folks who want to run legacy applications, there will be Windhoes!
For the rest of us, there’s OS-X!
Checkmate for Apple in a few more moves!
PS: This crap about developers not creating software for OS-X is total bunk! Developers will want to author for OS-X because it’s where innovation lives and it’s where sales opportunities abound.
MS is the Virus!
I just bought $400 worth of apple stock this morning. Wish me luck!
too bad it went up 6% in after hours trading, no doubt on this news.
At last the guy who won the “Boot XP on a Mac” contest can afford a new Mac with a couple 30″ monitors attached.
Thanks donaters! 😀
Bozos.
S.
Does this mean I can play counterstrike now? Can i play VIDEO GAMES ON IT NOW?!?! SOMEONE SAY YES!
This is a total surprise. I can’t wait to hear back from Intel Mac users if Windows on Macs is hardware accelerated. Why? Half Life 2 of course!
The strategy is unfolding before our eyes folks, just as I have been predicting since the Intel switch.
It’s about software compatibility, not to get even with IBM.
“i realllly hope this isnt the begining of the end of our beloved os”
It’s not. What they are doing is creating a ‘classic’ type situation with Windows, where it will be easy for people with Windows based software to transition to the Mac. It helps overcome the biggest hurdle to switching, which is software compatibility. Now people arent going to havae to rebuy all their software at the same time they buy a new Mac. It’s fraking brilliant.
Andy –
“rick – i mean – why would developers pump there money into porting apps if mac users can run windows versions – not my view but possibly theres?”
It looks like Apple’s trying to turn the tide completely – get developers to write for OS X first and then port to Windows. The latest news about Xcode is that it can turn Universal Binaries into Windows executables.
Zoiks!!! Apple’s pulling some serious judo moves here.
Say goodbye to Mac OS X. It was a good OS. Now we have the choice between Windows or… Linux!
The Mac will put Windows in its “Also Ran” place of extinction.
In my opinion, bringing the windows environment (in any form) onto Mac is not a great idea, it’s just too much like sitting next to a bomb, a bomb just waiting to fuck your system up. Personally it won’t be of any real use to me, at the moment I use one windows only app and whilst I can shift all my other stuff onto OS X apps I need to use them at the same time. This means that for work I’ll still be using windows all day and as such there’s no reason to spend the coin on a new mac to replace a crappy but perfectly (used loosely) working Dell.
I currently have a powerbook and am looking to move up to an iMac (keeping the powerbook), if it were the other way around then I’d consider a MacBook Pro because then I could at least use it at work and home but as is it’s just not a solution that works for me. Personally I’d be better off connecting to a cheap headless windows machine via a remote desktop connection.
I think it’s a very interesting step though. I’m intrigued as to exactly how much a part of Leopard they’ll make it.
This is all Apple can do? They take the hard work from some hackers and then brand it as their own? Come on Apple. Give us virtual machines. I have no interest in dual booting as its a real pain in the ass. Give me the ability to run a Windows or Linux OS in a virtual machine running in OS X. Or do we need to wait for VMware to do this? Isn’t there anybody smart enough at Apple to understand operating systems or is everybody more concerned about the look of the next font or icon?
anyone care to psychoanalyse the choice of name?
Boot camp = getting you into shape for the task ahead
Boot camp = correcting your bad behaviour
So where are those morons that rushed picking on the Leopard rumors yesterday???????
No one is going to pay a $1000 premium for OS X. Mac hardware prices must come down drastically for this annoucement to amount to any significance.
I love this comment on the Apple page :
“Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.”
Great googly-moogly, as they say.
I definitely agree that dual-booting is not the ideal solution, but has anyone considered that maybe Apple doesn’t want to provide the ideal solution?
I mean, think about it this way – what if you get your new Mac, play with it, rip some songs, throw in some photos, etc. Then you install your Windows copy to use some software you “need” to run. (need, as in I need to play NeverWinter Nights 2 the minute it is released..)
Then the next time you want to listen to music or play with iPhoto or GarageBand… you have to reboot. And eventually everyone will find themselves making a choice.
The choice is simple – where do you spend most of your time? Because very few dual-booters are going to want to sit through a restart just to switch applications. That means they are most likely to start compartmentalizing their computer use. Dedicating certain amounts of time for one OS or the other. One may find that the Windows boot is only used for one or two apps (games? some critical app. like Autocad?) and that the Mac boot is used at all other times. And that it becomes more and more painful to have to make that switch when you want to use the Windows side.
So maybe Apple wants to make that choice more difficult. Don’t make using the Windows side too easy.
Then again, maybe this is just the beta version, and the Leopard version will be virtualization-technology enabled to allow simultaneous boots of both OS’s to run side by side with a “fast-user switching” type thing.
Many have suggested that the Mac OS software market will be killed by this. I can’t see that happening, but I certainly can see some subsets being affected. Game development, for one, depending on the driver support. In other words, who’s going to bother doing all the hard work of translating a game to Mac, only to sell a few thousand copies, if the Mac on Intel can run it natively in a Windows boot partition?
Again, it depends on how well those games actually function.
And the whole virus thing will not go away. The fact that you might spread virii to your Mac partition by running Windows means that at the very least most smart people would never ever use the Windows partition for Internet surfing or email.
Time will tell, but this is a very VERY interesting development. Not totally unexpected, and a little scary in its possible repurcussions.
On the other hand, let’s say that there are a bunch of new Mac users that buy Macs more or less just for the possibility of using some Mac stuff, but that really just want the Windows that they are familiar with.
Well, Apple still gets the Mac money from them, eh? And eventually, they will be able to try their Mac too, even if they don’t buy any Mac software. This will grow the Mac market in raw numbers, even if they aren’t really buying the Mac software. This could create a sea change of available Mac systems without causing people any concern about “switching” – because they’d still have everything they need on a partition. Hmmm….
Sounds like a no-lose proposition for Apple, at least.
Word to the Wise
Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it’ll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes.
From the Boot Camp page on Apple’s site.
Remember that Apple is first and foremost a hardware company that uses its superior OS and bundled apps to sell the hardware.
I would never entertain the thought of installing Windows on a Mac I owned; I am unanimous in that. However, many people either wish or need to do so. Running Linux or Windows apps on a Mac in a type of virtual mode with no performance hit would be cool for those who need to do so.
This is big news. So many folks that live in the windows world but dream of a stylish Mac can now skip dull.com and buy a Mac. Fears of no more development for OSX is just wrong. We’ll see a marked increase in Mac sales but developers are not going to know if those folks are booting in OSX or Windows.
You just know chairs are flying in Redmond this morning!
Goodbye VirtualPC…
Han Solo said: “I’ve got a bad feeling about this….”
You mean Apple abandoning OS X in favor of Windows in a future as said somewhere?. Care to elaborate?
Mr Reeeee wrote:”If it gets more people to buy Macs… GOOD.If it means that less software is developed for Mac… VERY BAD”
Well, when the developers won’t write software for Mac, then Apple will dump OS X and embrace the Vista baby ,suposing it’s born at that moment
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So what will MS do to Vista so it won’t run on Macs?
From the Apple´s site:
apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
“What you’ll need:
Mac OS X Tiger v10.4.6 (check Software Update)
The latest Firmware update (check Support Downloads)
10GB free hard disk space
An Intel-based Mac
A blank recordable CD
A printer for the instructions (You’ll want to print them before installing Windows, really.)
A bona fide installation disc for Microsoft Windows XP, Service Pack 2, Home or Professional (No multi-disc, upgrade or Media Center versions.)”
?You need instructions to install Windows?
Can it really be that hard?
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My MacBook Pro came in 2 days ago… now I can run AE 7 when I need to! Looking forward to getting a copy of FCP 5.1 soon.
I’m set.
Thanks Apple!
I would never entertain the thought of installing Windows on a Mac I owned; I am unanimous in that.
… that word. I do not think it means what you think it means …
Jeeze! If jobs had been a little faster on this, he could have won that $14,000 contest for booting windoze. What a looser!
Man o’ man. I can’t believe they actually did it. I hope Steve and Co., really thought this one out. Although, I suppose that someone would have come up with this sort of thing eventually, given that Windows has been successfully installed. Maybe Steve and Co. just wants to be out of the chute first to try and control the ramifications.
This is gonna sell a lot of stylish iMacs to Windows users who’ve been craving Apple goodness but could not run their favorite virus-riddled OS.
Redmond, you’ve got another problem!
Microsoft is working on virtualization too, but it unclear if their version will support Mac OS X.
Does this means that I can use AutoCad on a Mac sooner than I hoped?
The most interesting thing for me is how much this screws Vista. If people get a mac and install windows on it, there is no way they’re gonna pay extra to get Vista later on. Chances are they’ll have dumped XP for OS X by then anyway.
This is good news evereyone, calm down.
Mac users will always still buy the Mac, Windows users now have one LESS reason for buying a Windows box. As far a market share numbers go, they can now only go up, not down.
So what if some people will buy an Intel Mac and install Windows on it and never use the Mac OS.
The point is:
1) It will show as a Mac sale on the market share numbers. We get a substantial increase in market share and all that means for increased mind-share. Don’t forget Apple make most of their cash from hardware.
2) Apple now have a Windows user, running Windows on a computer that has the possibility of running Mac OSX for NO EXTRA COST.
All Apple have to do now is convince that Windows user to switch to the Mac. This is a LOT easier than it was because now IT WILL COST THEM NOTHING TO DO SO.
How they will do this is up to Steve Jobs, but how about cancelling iTunes for Windows? (just boot into the Mac OS). Apple will release more and more great software for the Mac to entice these IntelMac Windows users to switch.
What’s next? Xcode for Windows.
Once Adobe (for instance) have completely ported Photoshop to XCode. Apple will release an update to XCode which will, with one tick box, compile the same app to run on Windows. They’d be stupid not to, as the cost savings for them would be huge. Ditto every other developer.
Once Apple control the development environment for Apple AND Windows, nothing will ever be the same. They’ve just pulled the rug from under Microsoft’s feet.
Steve Jobs (and his cohorts) are absolute genuises.
From the Boot Camp page:
EFI and BIOS
Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.
Love it
The Bottom Line:
Apple should just have come out and said it straight:
“21ST & 20TH CENTURY COMPUTING. ONLY ON MAC.”
Oh, and Apple can give some advice to Microshite:
“REDMOND, START ORDERING NEW CHAIRS.”
This is a glorious development! For those good folks worried about Apple software developers jumping ship, ease your worried minds. If anyone needs to worry – it’s the windows community. Once people get a taste of OS X goodness customers will demand a port of their favorite software! This isn’t the death blow folks, but it’s the blow that sets up for the death blow. (What’d I’d give for a little Street Fighter action right now.) All the pieces seem to falling into place for what can only be the most concerted advance into PC territory ever. I wonder…if you were a fly on the wall at Dell headquarters, could you smell the fear?
MW:radio “Video killed the radio star.”
AAPL: it will go higher still. Maybe not yesterday, maybe not even tomorrow, but it’s going higher.
I think this is a fantastic development. Like another poster said, it makes one want to laugh at all those geeks who fought for the prize, though what they did on their own was not too shabby.
I still want virtualization, and it looks like it is coming, so I can run them side by side.
BTW, I am downloading BC now; anyone know if it can be installed on an external HD?
MW: “across” as in “shot across the bow”
“The most interesting thing for me is how much this screws Vista. If people get a mac and install windows on it, there is no way they’re gonna pay extra to get Vista later on. Chances are they’ll have dumped XP for OS X by then anyway.”
Exactly. Everyone worried about OSX support & development going away is just wrong. This will add considerably to the OS X installed base. This is what it takes to get more developers to notice Mac. They can now buy a Mac Mini and work in Windows and then boot into OS X to see how there work appears in OSX. Brilliant.
Redmond doens’t have a problem, yet. They still get to sell copies of windows. They don’t care that it is to users on Macs rather than directly to Dell. Hell, they’ll probably make more money per license this way.
Windows folks are going to now consider Macs. They can boot in Windows to do whatever they need to do for work and then boot in Mac for the digital home life and for the kids.
Paul Thurrott sold his Intel Mac last week because it wouldn’t boot his beloved Windows.
sorry… i just don’t see this as GOOD NEWS.
If I’m a developer with XP only applications, what’s my motivation to port it to OSX? You can easily, thanks to Apple, install XP on your Mac, and use my software now, without me haiving to do rewrite one line of code. This is only one more excuse for developers NOT to port to OSX.
Yes, I understand that a Mac running XP and OSX is better than a PC running only XP, but the only thing that happens now is that SOME people who need both can use a new Mac, instead of a Mac and a Dell. This only takes sales away from Dell, it doesn’t add sales to Apple, since the folks who need both would have to by from Apple anyway.
Most XP types are not.. I repeat NOT…. going to invest in a more expensive Mac, just to be able to boot into OSX, which they have no use for in the first place.
I just want to run MICROSTATION natively on a Mac as my whole business has developed around it over the last 18 years. Can anybody hear me?
So, how many Windows on Mac users will download their installation CD instead of buying it?
Develop in Xcode using Cocoa and Objective-C and recompile using gcc and GNU Step…. would be nice if the earlier post about Xcode doing it automatically soon is correct….
MDN Magic Word = “normal”, Please forgive the Windows interruption, your computer will return to normal OSX programming shortly.
Spartacus said:”So where are those morons that rushed picking on the Leopard rumors yesterday???????”
They were morons in a hurry, i presume
Jeff said:”This is all Apple can do? They take the hard work from some hackers and then brand it as their own? Come on Apple. Give us virtual machines”
Well they are waiting for the hackers to do the job on virtualization
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Now will Thurott try to get is intel iMac back?
And the whole virus thing will not go away. The fact that you might spread virii to your Mac partition by running Windows
How are you going to do that when Windows can’t write to HFS+ partitions?
Cool spin, it must be opposite day. I only see more Windows licenses sold by Microsoft, and that MS has moved into Apple’s living room, not the other way around.
I bet Mike and the boys at Dull are crapping their pants. I can’t wait to see what this does to them in the long run. Now might be the time for Mike to give HIS money back to the shareholders and shut the doors. I don’t see him as staying to go down with the ship.That would be one of the best things he could do.
Hmm..i forgot we have here “the real” Steve Jobs, who said:
“At last the guy who won the “Boot XP on a Mac” contest can afford a new Mac with a couple 30″ monitors attached.
Thanks donaters! 😀
Bozos.
S.”
Well, i did not donate. But i don’t know how to read your words. If you thanks the ones to donate, does it mean Apple was behind the whole project? If that was the case, you could have sold more stock instead of begging, don’t you think?
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To those ones considering Mr Thurrot sold his Mac too early, well i think you sing victory too early too. He sold because the lack of EFI support in Vista. Whatever happens in the future (an I think, Vista will eventualy run on Macs, thanks to virtualization). But yes, i think if he read the news perhaps he is thinking about what would happen in some time. Anyway, we have here “the real” Steve Jobs, who can answer that. If you are not available Mr Jobs, send us “the real” Phill Schiller to explain
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It’s like leaving an old smelly shoe in your Ferrari or Maserati. Eventually the stench will be too much and it (Win XP) will be tossed out the window. This is a brilliant move!
LOOK AT THE BOOT CAMP LOGO!!!!
APPLE JUST WENT AND REDESIGNED THE WINDOWS LOGO AND MADE IT LOOK NICE!!!
MDN word “Per”
Apple simplisity, as per usual
Forget Windows. The real news here is that Apple is providing support for re-partitioning your hard drive without re-installing. Boot Camp is just one side-effect of that.
This is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!!
It:
This is good news, you’re just not thinking it through:
“If I’m a developer with XP only applications, what’s my motivation to port it to OSX”
Because of the huge climb in market share that you’ve just seen of the Mac because all of those Windows users now buying Mac hardware.
One point I did not overlook is that you must be using a FULL version, not an upgrade version, to install. If you’re one of the ones who only bought the upgrade versions all along, as I did when I used Doze, you are SOL. I’ll never buy the full version of XP just to be able to dual boot. Maybe 10.5 will include upgrades.
I agree with jt.
I’m not a big fan of dual booting for several reasons
1 – I do believe it would be bad for the mac software market. With Apple’s little market share developers have now even less incentive to develop for OSX
2 – Learning a new OS is time consuming and the average consumer may stick with Windows just out of pure ignorance or laziness. I believe the average consumer doesn’t have the inclination to learn something new even if given to them.
3 – From my own experience I worked for a couple of years dual booting Windows and OS2 and I can tell you that it was a pain in the butt!. The rebooting was very tedious ’cause I had t do it several times a day and it was loss of productivity for me. Unless you reaaaally need native speed trust me you would wan virtualization instead.
If this is what it takes to get Windows users over to the other side then so be it!
Who in their right mind will buy anything other than a Mac now?
Brilliant move Apple!
All this for virtulization?
This is a beta only, Gates may well strike a deal with Apple to remove this. Billy ain’t getting any of the pie like he has from the other PC makers, just our cash IF we buy XP, which no REAL PC USER does. Steve may pull this if Bill promises to play well with others and return media player, support of IE and develop the VM software. OR he may actually be giving back to Bill what bill gave him 20 years ago.
: )
Who cares I’ll never run the filth known as Windoze on my sacred Mac.
-L
Just installed it on my MacBook Pro! UNBELIEVABLE!! It works fantastic!! Make sure you run Disk Utility on your hard drive and repair any defects before you install because the disk partitioning feature runs a pre scan and appears to be very picky. THANKS APPLE!!!!
The shot heard around the world!
There have been a few posts saying that Redmond is out and M$ is gone, but that is illogical because the reality is that they make the OS and now Apple have been able to put it on a Mac! More will follow and most probably for Vista eventually…..
How does that amount to M$ going west?
Affy
Macsking:
get it right, Apple is not in any way a software company. If you check their finacial reports you will see that all software sales (including boxed OSX) are a tiny fraction compared to the hardware lineup. Apple is a hardware company – say it with me. Apple themselves have said this over and over. Selling the hardware funds all the other cool stuff like the Pro Apps, OSX, iLIfe, iWork and so on. This is bad news for Dell and co. immediately and not MS as they ARE a software company and would be perfectly happy to sell XP to someone regardless of hardware.
Seve is playing the game…
Mac will gain market share, other hardware vendors will balk to MS to stop this and protect their interests. MS will threaten to pull the MBU if Apple doesn’t stop this. Apple moves forward not caring about the threat, makes a new suite software to replace Office for Mac, and virtualization software will be included in OSX to run Windows software natively in OSX (if you would want too). Home users and corporate users will snap up Macs because they are safer, more stable, and run the excellent Apple software, and can run windows software naitively. Coup d’ete — game over.
I wonder ….. Apple v Apple decision may be due today. Bootcamp has pushed the share price up – maybe the timing of this announcement is to deflect damage to AAPL share price should our Apple lose.
OMG! Dell must be trembling in their boots. Why buy a Dell for $500 when you can have a $1300 iMac.
What is unknown is how many people will buy a Mac with the intention of using it full time as a Windows machine, presumably taking sales from Dell/HP, etc… What is also unknown is what percentage of these folks will end up using OS X after seeing it.
A friend of mine would love a Mac at home but he needs the ability to run Autocad occassionally. This now allows him to use a Mac for all his email, web, and digital life while retaining the ability to boot into windows and work in Autocad.
Bloody fantastic news.
Its a stroke of genius and proof of how confident Apple are in their current and future operating systems.
Shit a brick I’m going to be able to switch sooner than I anticipated.
Put me down for 1 MacBook Pro, FCP Studio, 1 Conroe based workstation and Shake UB. Please hurry along with the latter two please Steve.
I don’t for one moment expect this to have a negative effect on OSX application development.
So now I can persuade my company to buy me a Macbook Pro which I can partition and use XP for my daily work life and switch across to OS X after work. Sorted :O)
Virtualization would be better as I can half both going at the same time but with dual boot I can wait for that.
For a few people who wonder why this is BAD for Microvirus:
It is very bad for MS because people will buy Macs thinking they will TRY it but then load Windows.
Well, what happens is that they try OSX, and then you know what?
THEY FUCKIN’ LUV IT!!!!
And they never even get to to load that Virus ridden crap from the ’90’s called XP.
And then, you know what? More developers start writing for OSX because the user base is growing and they SEE the future.
Even Janet and John might have understood this. I would have thought.
Apple is going to be HUGE. And MS is dead in the water. A confused, overvalued, mess…
That’s not the smell of napalm, it’s Balmer’s deodorant failing again
slike:
a $500 Dell + all the stuff you would need to add onto it to make it feature comparable to what is already included on a Mac = more than the $1300 iMac. That doesn’t even include OSX or an iLife equivalent software bundle.
Ka-BOOM! That is all for now.
Hey Greg, BLOW ME!
Final Cut blew out Adobe Premier and does what previously cost $100 grand on dedicated Avid hardware.
Shake, check out the oscar winning films that ALL use it.
Logic Pro, does the work of a $500,000 dollar SSL console.
Motion, Pages, iWork, iApps, public testing of what’s to come.
Want to talk about revenue? Take a careful look at how software has been making increasing gains at Apple during the last 5 years.
This new XP on Mac development is going to help sell a lot more Apple hardware but in the bigger picture, the cuffs are off Apple to do whatever they want.
I don’t think Apple will ever become a software-only company but they ARE headed towards making a lot more money off of software.
And as for MS, all the experimenters are going to use bootleg versions of XP on their dual boot Macs because that’s what they’re using on their current beige boxes.
If Vista ever sees the light of day it will be interesting. Apple just gave a new lease on life to PC users with a copy of XP on hand.
Forget about Macs taking over PCs in the corporate space (running the odd Windows app). Apple is focusing on conumers and just got rid of their biggest weakness. And what is that for consumer Mac ? ….
GAMES, GAMES, GAMES !!!!!!
Dual boot isn’t practical when you want to run some Windows apps while doing most of your work in OS X (or vice versa). But people playing games will devote the whole machine to the program and not need to go back and forth between environments.
A also, remember an recent article indicating that Intel Macs are speedier than PCs with the same CPU. That’s also gonna help consumers choose Macs.
There is no time to get all game development software companies to port to OS X. Much simpler to do what microsoft did with windows in the DOS era. Leverage a ton of existing software to get people to use your new OS and hardware.
Insanely smart. Go Apple !
Apple dropped A BOMB!!!!!
Just make sure you unplug your ethernet cable when you boot into XP!
Well, it ain’t over till the fat monkey bursts a seam. For this to succeed, we need Windows users to:
1) Buy Macs (and presumably install Windows;
2) Give OS X a try;
3) Finally get rid of the Windows pollution on their Macs.
4) There ain’t no 4.
…this is not even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning.
Ideal scenario might be this:
On the Winduz partition, use ONLY whatever PC specific Apps your business can’t live without, or play that game you are addicted to on the Winduhz side.
If the Winduhz side gets messed up with Virus and Spyware–wipe it clean and start over! : )
Meanwhile, your e-mail, Web bookmarks, MS Office documents, and other Mac/PC compatible documents such as the Creative Suite etc. are safe and snug on the Mac OS side that’s STILL RUNNING unaffected!
As the 3 Stooges would say “Poy-fect!”
The critical piece of the puzzle:
Boot Camp also helps you remove the Windows partition, should you so desire.
To all the pundits that said Apple was losing focus because of the iPod: think again.
I just hope that Apple doesn’t eventually become the new Microsoft.
AAPL up over 7.3% (according to my Mac’s Stock widget)!!
Have you bought your stock yet?!!
“his doesn’t hurt Microsoft (yet), but it absolutely puts Dell, HP, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc. into a world of pain.”
C’mon, Dell hed a bigger growth in shippments last year then the whole apple market share…
Less is More has got it.
Windows users will buy Intel Macs because they can run their old Windows programs on it. But they’re going to boot into OS X occasionally to run iLife programs and maybe a few other applications (Comic Life comes with the new iMacs; that’s going to appeal to a lot of folks). Once they experience the simple elegance that’s OS X, they’ll start buying more OS X native programs, eventually booting into XP less and less — only when it’s absolutely necessary. Eventually it may lead to a demand for MORE OS X software, rather than less.
As for me, I have no interest in putting XP on my Intel iMac — I don’t need the headaches…
MW=”activity”, as in “the more activity from Infinite Loop, the better for all of us”…
This news comes the day after 3 major analysts dropped their price target on Apple… Woops!
And you thought Leopard was just the next big cat on the block
Well the leopard has changed its spots
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This will finally get all those who require Windows but want a Mac to buy one. Even if they run their Windows apps, they will eventually want to try OSX. Once they do that and begin playing around with the i-apps, they’ll be hooked.
There also may be a lot of people out there who have been a little jealous of Apples free programs. Again, nows their chance.
I personally don’t see this as a bad thing. Apple will continue to make superior hardware and software products, they’ll will just be available to more users.
In regards to virtualization, I thought that was to be incorporated into Leopard (rumor)? Maybe this Bootcamp is just an interim thing to get everyones attention and hold it until Leopard ships?
The very nice thing about Steve/Apple is that you NEVER know whats going on behind those closed doors. Anyone see any rumors about this??
Can Windows XP running on an Intel Mac read & write to the OS X partition of the disc, or be hacked to do so? If so, it seems to me that a hacker could write malware that enters while you are running XP, look for an OS X install and Root your Mac even though it is not booted. Kind of a Back Door attack.
Otherwise this has big implications
VPC will probably die on the Mac, but maybe not for security reasons.
Game porting companies may be hit the hardest. Most gamers will not wait for the always delayed Mac port when they can just dual boot and run it on XP. This is not a good thing for them.
A lot of Pros who need access to Windows only apps must be smiling today. I only hope that it not short-lived.
Until I get a straight answer about cross sector Rootkits it ain’t coming anywhere near my hardware.
Better version would be:
And you thought Leopard was just the next big cat on the block.
Well this leopard can change it’s spots!
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– MacDailyNews Take: Welcome to “Embrace and extinguish,” Apple-style. –
Once again I HOPE MDN is on target. If this is a real Apple strategy, aimed at neutralizing the makers of stupidly cheap computing hardware (read: Dell, HP, etc.), then this could clearly be the beginning of a real and long needed change in the pc hardware market place.
On the other hand, it means Windwhores will run on even more computers and that really is a bad idea in principle. In fact, it could very well mean that developers will be even less inclined to worry about Mac software because now EVERYBODY can run Windblows. I really honestly hate that even being a possibility, and I think its a huge risk on Apple’s part to go this route, in the long run.
Maybe what’s happening is, SJ is looking toward retirement, doesn’t see anybody who has the vision for Macintosh computers that he does (this was clearly evident when Apple was left in the hands of others, even well meaning others), and is getting the whole Mac experience ready to be assimalated by MS. Why does Windoze run on ~95% of the world’s pcs? Because all of the hardware is made to run it, and now all Macs will natively run it too. This really doesn’t make me feel good at all.
If the white-blood-cell-like strategy works, and indeed more Windscrews users buy Apple hardware to run that OS, but end up being slowly converted to Mac OS, then I will be the first one dancing in the streets. But with public perception of “Macs are more expensive”, I don’t really see that happening.
Every Windows user who wants to run Vista (if it ever gets delivered) has to purchase a new computer. This is Apple’s chance (strategy?) to take some of that market, by enticing upgraders to buy a Mac instead of a PC.
It sounds like most people here think that Boot Camp is a great idea and an advantage over Windows PC manufacturers. I hope that they’re right. I have some nagging doubts about this.
Besides the virus potential attacking the Windows side and thus damaging the use of the Mac side of our hardware; the thing that scares me is what this will do towards future Mac software development. Why develop for the Mac at all, when Windows is now on both the PC and the Mac?
The idea of Windows games being available to us Mac users is good, and M$ business software available to Mac business users now is good. The only problem is that developers of Mac-based software will be hurting because of this. Come on guys. The Mac developers have done everything right. They’ve created this good Macintosh program that is not bloated and crash prone, and everyone is buying M$ products instead.
Steve Jobs has screwed over Macintosh developers before, but this is the final insult to them. I’ll wait and see, but this could be the beginning of the end for the Mac OS. I’m afraid that I will have to really learn all of that Unix crap now. :'(
This is just the first step. lets see where it goes…. Dont go crazy until you know what is really going to happen.
These negative comments about Boot Camp being the beginning of the end of OSX just goes to show that not all Mac users are as smart as they are cracked up to be.
This is a BRILLIANT! I would worry about Mac software developers bailing if Apple created true Windows virtualization or OS X were able to run Windows apps. But this way, most Mac users will not want to spend the money to get Windows unless they have to, nor will they want to deal with the hassle of shutting down and rebooting into a different OS. So what this provides is: a security blanket to encourage more Windows users to try OS X; an opportunity for those who really need to run AutoCad or some other Windows app some of the time, and; an option that permits gamers to run Windows games but OS X for the net and other consumer needs.
GO APPLE!!
This is absolutely a briliant move on Apple’s part. Earlier this week, Apple announces that X-code can be used to develop Windows software. A developer just writes a native Mac OSX app, then flips a switch and it will run on Windows too. Now, you can dual boot and run Windows on your Mac. Is this a move on Apple’s part to abandon OSX? Hardly! Think about it, A software developer can use a free development tool, X-code, to write an app for the Mac and PC. He needs to write it as a native OSX app first before generating the Windows app. He can now test his creation in both Windows and OSX by selecting his bootup on his Mac, and it will have to be a Mac because OSX and X-code will not run on a PC. What was it that sweathog Steve Balmer said a couple of years ago? Developers,developers,developers,developers…
I believe Apple had all three solutions to running Windows on Intel Mac. 1) Dual-boot (as they just announced), 2) VM (they had the technology running on MkLinux, running v2 to test and v1 as debugger), 3) Dawine. Only reason they won’t make them available is to control the market. They did not want people buying Macbooks at same time. This way they can throttle the demand.
I’m sure they are also taking into account about courting the Windows developers to port their applications to MacOS. Dual boot is great, but painful enough to users, they will demand the developers to port their applications to MacOSX. The other two solutions will not. May be dawine can, if it only supported applications written for Windows ME or 95. However, that will give black mark to Apple.
Only reason I believe they are prereleasing the Boot Camp now, instead of with Leopard is, the hack is out and Apple wants to keep the hack from becoming wide spread use.
**** AND ****
Can you imagine the huge Windows community interest in Apple’s upcoming August WWDC and Steve’s intro for Leopard?!
Tens of millions of people, with no previous interest in Macs, will be shown how good Mac really is!
People with OS X and XP side-by-side will see the obvious differences. They will see how much maintenance XP really requires compared to their very unobtrusive Mac. They will also see a speed difference; one that can no longer be dismissed by hardware differences.
This entire move smacks of Jobs’ marketing and computer genius!!
This whole thread proves that Mac fanatics are just sheep that are herded blindly where Apple leads them.
When the contest to install XP on a Mac was won, the response was overwhelmingly negative. Comments such as “Big friggin deal!”, “Whooopee!”, “So f-ing what” being the majority of the sentiment reflected. Proof right here:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/8938/
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/8929/
But when the announcement is from Apple to integrate the ability to boot Windows, the loyal sheep suddenly change their tune.
The funny thing is, nothing has changed. Since the revealing of Intel based Macs, everyone knew (sooner or later) that meant native Windows would eventually find its way onto Macs.
This will not bring the downfall of Microsoft, or PC vendors. If anything this will hurt OSX in the long run in terms of development.
The MDN take of “Oh, so one could buy a Mac and run both Windows and Mac OS X or buy a Dell and only be able to run Windows. Muahahahahah! So, can anyone explain why would anyone in their right mind would buy a Dell or any other Wintel box assembler’s kit again?” is flawed and shows just how delusional the editors (and the loyal mac sheep here) are. Here’s why:
From a hardware perspective, both Apple and Intel are currently behind the curve. Take for example, the AMD community is MUCH larger than the Mac community (while many folks here like to laugh Windows over OSX, believe me there is much more laugh at with Intel and Apple hardware). From the assortment of superior chipsets, CPU’s, graphics cards and memory, who in their right mind would jump to an inferior platform just for OSX?
As of today the Core Duo is not even among the top tier chips from Intel in terms of performance. The graphics card on the iMacs are abysmal. So MDN do you really want to know who in their right mind would buy a Windows PC over a Mac with OSX & Windows? The answer will break those rose colored glasses you all wear.
wow, holy sheet, I keep checking the stock price, and everytime its going up!, now at 65.78, will it top 70.00 by day’s end? sure looks like it, sweet. C-weed, I hope you know what you’re talking about.
microsoft may cry “developers, developers, developers”.
but right now Apple is thundering for all the world to hear…”Momentum, Momentum, Momentum ! “
Tough shit Sammy – you lost!
Isn’t this like putting Yugo seats in your Porsche?
Macaday–what exactly did you “win”?
To gagravaar: I agree with your take and would like to subscribe to your newsletter (j/k on the second part).
Give Jedi Jobs a little credit folks. There’s a loud, Kermit-like scream emanating from Redmond, Washington today.
Xcode for Windows is huge. No, it’s bigger. It’s ginormous.
I think I just felt two 10 cent coins flip in my pocket.
Shifting paradigms?
Total world domination. Feels good!
hey sammy was you aware windows is crap at utilising multi processors and osx is great at it, so even is dual cores arent the top processors macs get more out of them.
There are two possible reasons for Apple to release BootCamp:
1. Just to tease the s#@t head Pee Turd-rot since he sold his Intel iMac.
2. To win back the pro-users who have a PC and all the pro apps native to XP. Now they can buy a ProMac (in August) with the latest Intel chips. Install their Windows XP and pro apps without costing a single cent in software upgrades. When the universal versions of all pro apps come out, pro users will install them on the ProMac and start running their apps in OSX. Seamless transition and it’s brilliant !!!!
I personally think the second reason is more logical and sound. We can forget that little dick Pee Turd-rot.
BTY Sammy, the answer to your “top tier chips” question will be in August when Apple releases its ProMac with Quad Core chip and SLI graphic architecture. I think you are a negative person but please learn more before you make any cynical remarks! At least be a knowledgeable cynic!
autocad, arcgis, bootcamp. Enough said.
I just found out that Paul Thurrott is helpful to us Mac users in getting XP SP2 boot CDs to use with Boot Camp!
I have XP SP1 OEM and I have applied SP2 patches on my PC, but since Boot Camp requires an XP boot CD with SP2 files already I am trying Paul Thurrott’s Slipstreaming process he documents at his article to make a XP SP2 boot CD from a previous version of XP (say SP1a or prior):
http://winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp
Thanks Paul for the Windows XP advice so I can (hopefully) make a bootable XP SP2 CD to use on my Intel Mac with Boot Camp!
What a bunch overblown idiotic horseshirt this friggin bigoted discussion is! What’s funny is that about the only people that really give a rats arse about this whole friggin deal is the MAC bigot community, treating it like its the second coming or something! Well girls and boyz it ain’t. You’re about to do what has been done on PC’s for years. Its old hat! its just that Apple woke up to the fact its a great way to shoehorn their way into the market space to increase presence and share. Get over yourselves for godsake. People will use what makes sense to them and it seems what makes sense to the market owns 92+ % of the frigging market space, you lot simply ain’t that special you just think you are.
Will those numbers change? Sure, and I’ll be helping you all out to change them tonight, MAC Mini Baby.
The difference here is that I have needs that are satisfied by both O/Ses that make both worthwhile. I’ve used a MAC I know what it is and does, ITS a FRIGGIN computer IT AIN’T THAT SPECIAL. Its interesting its lovely looking but when its running MAC software it don’t do some stuff I need. when its running PC there are things it don’t do either. This is just a solution, there ain’t no foot washing, water-wine conversion, people being nailed to computers to die, or even resurections. There is just some piece of software being developed that will let MAC users run Windows software on their MAC’s. By itself its interesting, only to Geeks (me) and Bigots (others) not users in general. You want to take over the world? Then do OSX on current PC hardware without having to hack stuff up like you have to today. Now you are talking big time !
switch to a mac, use your XP application licenses forever, ’cause Vista aint gonna be worth a damn… ride off into the OSX sunset. today is a great day!
This isn’t going to make much of a difference on sales. Why? Simple. You can either get a Dell that comes with Windows for $700 lets say. Or you can buy an iMac for $1299. But wait, you want Windows. Ok, add another $200 for XP Home or $350 for XP Pro. Right. Everyone’s going to spend $1500 – $1650 when they can spend $700 for the Dell? Not going to happen.
People will switch to Apple hardware because they are sick of Windows, not because Apple hardware will run Windows.
Shee…shee.. Phil… it’s all right.. it’s all right. No need to get that excited..shee……I understand…. I understand… you’re just suffering SBU (sperm back up) syndrome….may be you get some lay tonight so you won’t be that grouchy tomorrow. Shee…. sheee…it’s all right…
hey sammy was you aware windows is crap at utilising multi processors and osx is great at it, so even is dual cores arent the top processors macs get more out of them.
Acually, it’s pretty common knowledge the Windows kernel is slightly better at scheduling multiple threads than the current OSX kernel. However I could tell by your second grade response that you really don’t know what you’re talking about, so asking you to substantiate yourself would probably be too much to ask wouldn’t it?
BTY Sammy, the answer to your “top tier chips” question will be in August when Apple releases its ProMac with Quad Core chip and SLI graphic architecture. I think you are a negative person but please learn more before you make any cynical remarks! At least be a knowledgeable cynic!
Yes it does help to be knowledgeable…..knowledgeble enough to realize there will be NO quad-core chips from Intel by August. In fact, where did you gain this bit of “knowledge” from? Intel’s “quad core” Kentfield chip is not slated for release until 1st quarter 2007. Conroe is Intel’s next generation dual core processor to be introduced this fall.
And do you know what “SLI graphics architecture” is? It’s been available for PC’s for years now, and it’s only available for Nvidia’s Nforce 4 chipsets. ATI’s Crossfire is based on their own RD480 and RD580 chipsets. So unless Apple plans to stop making their own chipsets and motherboards, you won’t find SLI or Crossfire on Apple systems anytime soon.
Yes….it does help to be knowledgable, doesn’t it Botox?
Yes it does!! But you are still a bitter, sour and negative “knowledgeable” person.
BTY, Sammy, I think you’re anal retentive too!!! Down to the details!!
Jeff have you forgotten about the Mac mini at $599 or the duo-core mini at $799.
You do also know that there are plenty of Pcs in the $1200 range right?
Yeah I know it’s fun to take a base model Pc for $700 and compare it to a fully inclusive duo-core iMac and scream about pricing injustice… But let’s be reasonable here… Sheesh!
The other boot drops!
Phil: Please switch to decaf? Xanax? You did know that this is a Mac users’ oriented site with a Mac oriented discussion thread?
Congrats on the Mac Mini. A terminal, Aqua, Autocad and porn. That’s living.
“you lot simply ain’t that special you just think you are”
Isn’t that always the way it is, anywhere in the world?
And I may be special but I’m not ON special.
botox: SBU! LOL! Good one. I’ve “heard” that there’s a quick fix.
ok if you have to, but imagine the fool who chooses to!
Buy a Mac and run windows on it by choice… Duh. Bad decision. You loose.
First Dave Mathews, now Windows…
I think I’m gonna puke…
Botox,
ya know, I was coming up with some totally off the wall reply to eff with ya, but I realized I just don’t care that much (read at all).
Its just another friggin computer anyway you look at it. Its not the Gizim slurping competition you seem intent on it being. So, if wanna side track the reality of the discussion, go right ahead take yer latest boyfriend round behind your school Gym and go at it. Meantime, we’ll be here flaming all the zealots and anti-christs as they appear to weigh in…
Has anybody tried it? Does Photoshop run faster via Apple>XP than Dell(or whatever)>XP???
Is XP the same or faster on Apple computers????
Because if XP and programs run lots slower than on a Windows XP computer this is kind of worthless.
I hope developers continue to still develop programs for OS X on Intel. With Boot Camp, I can see developers saying to people who want an app for OSX “buy a copy of windows.”
When you have the “cadillac” of operating systems, why would you want to install a “used car?” Sounds like “the lights are on, but nobody’s home!”
This is probably one of the best check moves Apple has ever made.
The Bootcamp gambit!
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Checkmate in 3 moves!
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…”chess” moves…
Not all people can afford Macs.
Big deal. Macs have been able to run Windows at native speeds before in the past and it didn’t make any difference to the market share. Anyone here been around Macs long enough to remember the PC Compatibility cards?
I still have an 8500 with the 100MHz P1 12″ PCI Card. You could run both OS 8 and Windows 95 at the same time and even switch between the two.
I guess price is the advantage now (just need to pay for a copy of Winblows). Those cards weren’t cheap.
I’m loving all the hysteria. If you were paying attention, this move – and more like it to come – was set into motion when Steve realized that tunes for head banging downloaders was more profitable than another cat to run on shiny aluminum. Mac OS is done. Say goodnight.
Gambit, I dunno that its the best ever but its certainly a good un, A Slam dunk in my opinion would be OSX on PC x86.
Even better would be the OSX shell on top of the XP guts and then the MAC crew can catch all-arsed x86 digital syphillis too instead of the half-arsed OSX digital Syph!
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I am not interested at all in this. Period.
Have people lost their friggin’ MINDS???
Run Windows on a Mac????
ROTFLMAO!
What a joke!
macman: I think the world, especially the computing world, has changed quite a bit since the days of PC compatibility cards. You do know Cheers was cancelled, right?
So, the Windows punters want to buy Macs?
Well, they’ll have to fork out for Windows XP as an extra cost, and these guys already think Apple Macs are more expensive!
Perhaps they think they can get a “free” copy somewhere?
Great PR for Apple’s stock, though, but I’m not sure of the long term effect.
Off to bed now.
John
Happy Birthday From Apple Computer! Free and immediately available – run Windows XP on your newly purchased intel Mac! Have Fun and Thanks for your Support!
Oh yeah, if we had told you on our Birthday – April 1, you would have never believed us!
LOL Magic Word = growth. Apple stock up 6%! Wait till Wall Street figures this one out!
I don’t really understand why you would want your mac to run the worst operating system???? Why would you want your mac to be vulnerable to all the viruses that come with it? I will worry about this when I get a mac intel. I am still fine with my powerbook right now. Even when I do get a macbook pro in the future I will only use windows apps when its in virtualization and thats it…. I don’t care how long it takes for them to get that to work at a native speed. Good things are worth waiting for!!!
Look, Jesus Lopez and Eric Wasserman already installed Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac. Their process was difficult for the average user, but some software maker was going to put out a convenient way to boot Windows.
All Apple did was pre-emp any other company. It was going to be done. Apple might as well get the publicity of doing it themselves and showing their confidence in OS X.
This was going to be done. It’s no big deal, really. This had to be a consideration for Apple when they announced the move to Intel.
It’s not a big deal in that sense, yes– but it is a big deal in that it ushers ina new era where the Mac/Windows equilibrium has the potential to be slightly upset. This won’t cause massive migration, but it will send some people over the edge (who will then become Mac promoters, likely as well).
Good stuff.
so when you can load OSX with Vista… that will be good too, right?
Dell could care less about this. i’ll tell you why, because no one is gonna buy an iMac to put Windows on it. companies are not going to use dual booters to run business, and the normal person isn’t going to by a computer split in half.
who will get hurt, apple. if i have an intel mac, and winxp, why by apple software? you can give out reasons, but they all sound like “because osx is better.” true. osx is better. but XP software is usually a. easier to find, b. cheeper, and c. more widely used.
so forgive me if i think this is a bad thing for apple.
Adobe (and others) will just include a copy of Vista or XP OS with its next update – why make a Mac version?
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Windows owners are not going to buy a Mac to run Windows OS. Windows owners can already run all the software out there – its Mac owners that can´t run Windows software (think games).
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This release by Apple does not make sense. Something else is going on that we aren´t privy to yet.
After reading a few stories from the dark side, I’m definetly giving up on them. On average they are a stupid bunch. They don’t see the point since they still believe that Macs are more expensive. How many times do they have to read that for what they get, Macs are actually less expensive than Windows crappy boxes, and they look much better. Maybe they can’t read or they can’t understand what they read.
@ha!
have to disagree…already talked to a few PC co-workers. They would now buy a Mac where they wouldn’t have before…they want to use things like iMovie to make videos of their kids…but their whole life has been working with Windows. They are excited about this opportunity to have both for the cost of one machine.
Umm, if Windows dies the whole issue of Windows on a Mac becomes moot.
– Does it mean that we can also boot up windoze’s viruses oso?
– The end of Dell is near, rise, Apple, rise.
– Turning to darkside is almost complete.
It is still a good news for micro$oft. That means they can grab another 5% of the market share?
Bad news for PC makers!
•The clone war begin has•
Interesting times…….If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em eh?
I’m also amazed at posts from Windows users, who have been so hung up on the supposed price premium of Apple hardware, are suddenly going ‘yeah – I’ll buy a Mac’. At least potentially they’ll have access to Apples iLife suite.
More importantly, I’d like to know Apples grand plan for keeping Mac developer support for the MacOS.
I bet you can’t boot Vista on a Mac.
Bill: “Gentleman, we have another PC maker joining us, and that is Apple. Now they finally know that resistance is futile. We win.”
SteveBallmer: ” Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer Developer. Who let the dog out, huh ha hu hu ha! I love this company!
Dell: “*#&@#$!*&^%, steve, you son of a #*@)(#$^!*@#&, gentlemen, we will win the war. But please prepare for benefits cut!”
SJ:”Should we stop developing the cats, and focusing on hardware in the future?”
OS X IS NOT GOING AWAY. Too much time and money invested, and it is MUCH superior to windoze. Those who end up dropping support for OS X didnt have much stake in it anyway, and OS X apps will still roll out, at least from the “major” companies. For example, in a day and age when graphics pros will buy a new machine just to shave seconds off of rendering time, there will be a market for os x native apps. and actually, there is a lot of software on os x not found on windows, especially in audio and video.
anyone who said this is the end of os x does not use X on a regular basis. I use mac and windows and I much prefer os X. oh, and by the way, its not MAC, its mac. MAC is a hardware ethernet address designation. get it right!
To Sammy – from a post made at 12:27 pm
“This whole thread proves that Mac fanatics are just sheep that are herded blindly where Apple leads them.
When the contest to install XP on a Mac was won, the response was overwhelmingly negative.
But when the announcement is from Apple to integrate the ability to boot Windows, the loyal sheep suddenly change their tune.
The funny thing is, nothing has changed. Since the revealing of Intel based Macs, everyone knew (sooner or later) that meant native Windows would eventually find its way onto Macs. “
Sammy, your comments show the lack of your ability to comprehend the “big picture” of computing.
The gentleman that won the contest provided a soltuion that could be best discribed as extremely arduous. One that a “normal” Mac user, or even more experienced ones, would not want to undertake (especially since they really don’t want to use Windows in the first place). Also, there were some major driver support issues. In other words, most people weren’t enthusiastic because it would be hard to do and require too much time, something that is actually counter to the entire concept of a Mac.
So, here is where EVERTYHING has changed. Apple stated with the release of the Intel Macs that they had no interest in supporting Windows on a Mac, nor providing a solution for the installation. Apple has reversed that postion and provided us Mac users exactly what we need – an Apple engineered solution that we know will work just as seamlessly as all Apple software. Just a few simple steps and a nice GUI to go along with it. Easy peasy japaneezy.
Now, who this really effects is Dell, HP, Gateway, etc. Apple has ALWAYS had a superior design. And the costs have come down over the last few years. The Mini is a frigging STEAL! For the typical user – why on Earth would you go buy a Dell (which, dare I say, will never be able to boot a Mac OS )when you can purchase a nice, elegant Mac that can do everything the Dell can? On top of that, once people start switching, and realize how much nicer the Mac OS is (not to mention iLife, installed free on every Mac)……
But MS has nothing to worry about, at least for now, They will still be profitable. Windows isn’t going any where any time soon. The genius that is Gates makes the OS – not the hardware. He could care less if Dell, et.al , fall by the wayside. As long as the world still needs the Windows OS, which it does, what does it matter to MS if they use a Mac to accomplish their computing needs? IMHO, this move is going to have serious ramifications on the future of the computing “business”.
Wonder if Michael Dell bought any Apple stock today?
Questions remain…
Does this mean no more MS Office for Mac?
Will Adobe bother making CS 3 for the Mac now?
Will Quark make Quark 7 for the Mac? Well, actually who really cares.
Will we need to endure seeing Windows running on Intel Macs at the Applestore? I’m not sure I can stomach that.
Will businesses want to buy Macs when they can still buy Dells for much less? Is booting Windows on Mac targeted for consumers, businesses, Education? Hacks? Mad scientists?
Will Apple bundle Windows with the Mac?
Will I wake up and this will all be a bad dream?
Sorry but I guess I still don’t get it.
They’ll soon forget about smokin’ Windows once they start mainlining OS X. I’ve been hooked for 28 years, baby.
Didn’t I read somewhere that most users will have to purchase a new PC to run Vista? If that is true there will be a lot of Macs sold – and most home users will not want to fork out extra money to buy Vista and will stick with OSX.
Woo Hoo
Questions remain…
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To answer ALL of your questions all i have to say is:
This will make Mac marketshare go UP not DOWN…
So, yes, apps will still be developed. Think it through.
Timeline:
Mac/Win dual boot for back compatibility—>Mac substitutes found–> Windows rarely used–>Mac bought, Windows not used…
Any other questions?
Holy sh!t.
In other news… Hell apparently just froze over.
What? MacDude has nothing to say on the subject?
Still A Problem –
“No one is going to pay a $1000 premium for OS X. Mac hardware prices must come down drastically for this annoucement to amount to any significance.”
So, tell me where I can get the equivalent of a 17″ iMac from a box assembler for $300. Oh, and don’t forget to include the equivalent of iPhoto, iChat, Garage Band and iMovie and perfect virus protection software that requires no user intervention.
I’m waiting…
Those predicting that the next step will be an upgrade to XCode to allow applications to be automatically compiled for Windows are wildly optimistic I fear. If you look at how Cocoa applications are developed you’d realise that they rely heavily on the reuse of a wide number of MacOS specific libraries to build the application. This is why Mac applications are so consistent in look-and-feel and usually so well integrated with other applications on the system. None of this code is available for Windows (it has its own libraries – DirectX, etc) which would be completely incompatible at the source code level to the MacOS libraries. For Apple to allow a “tick box” for an application to be compiled for Windows automatically would require them to essentially port a vast amount of core MacOS functionality over to Windows. That aint going to happen. Of course, it will always be possible to recompile a basic C-code program (with no GUI) from one OS to the other, but I don’t think that’s of much consequence.
This is such a big day for Apple. I’m typing this on my iMac Core Duo 17 in Windows XP while downloading the Farcry demo. I have wanted to try that game since first seeing screenshots of it, but I knew that wasn’t an option on my Mac(s).
When the Intel Macs were revealed, I sold my iMac G5 to upgrade. Seemed like an unnecessary expense, given the lack of many key Universal applications. Today, however, Apple blew me away. Now I can do anything on my Mac, even if it means I must sometimes boot Windows to do it.
The ATI driver is comprehensive, with many feature tabs and settings I have not seen in System Preferences.
I’m so happy for Apple. I hope this opens the flood gates for Mac sales.
Michael
IT IS CHEAPER TO BUY A MAC THEN ANY OTHER SIMILARLY EQUIPED COMPUTER!! FIIIIIOOOOOOOUUUU… How many times?! You (didn’t) heard it here first…
Guys, really! This is real way to increase sale of the mac computers. The more sales you have the more likely people will write programs and rewrite programs for the growth market. Because will all know that both platforms has there advantages and disavantages.
But, if you have 15 percent market share……did you not think if you can leverage the difference in the OS to your advantage over your competation that you can make it for the mac then. You will have soooooo many more of them out there to sale to.
Now image a far greater number of macs in schools and the IT guys yelling we new more money to fix virus etc. Well, then just tell everyone to work on the mac side until you fix it. No more money…..we will wait longer with what we have. Sound great.
This is win, win for apple.
Even when all is said and done….what would you puchase a Dell that is equal to the mac for several hundred dollars more or get a apple fully equiped to handle both sides of the coin for less than a Dell with the same features!
I would buy the Apple! So will others in business, school, and consumer…….it will help and cause bill to lose critical market share in the enterprise side as well as the education.
Let us watch Dell start sell dirt cheap and cutting into profit….how long will the machine grid before parts start to fall off?
Apparently Steve said this before releasing Boot Camp:
“Upon my command, unleash hell!”
ALSO, think if Bill would try to remove Office from the mac, with the increase share of computer in the entrprise market steve could say, oh, well…we will release our own brand of Office and then make it work on your install base of software. We can do it better anyway and now we can undermine your own market share if you do not play with us.
Has possiblities in the software side as well, greater the installed base of OS X the greater the number of software sales and the better the software will be by apple.
Hardware and software sells will increase……now make it boot faster, better frame rates, and quicker overall scores with OS X plus windows software and you got many people looking at apples.
Hey, has anyone heard from MACDUDE—-kinda missing the little virus?
awaiting futher fud……
Funny how Paul Thurrott ditched his iMac a few weeks ago..
he must be kicking himself…
When a generic drug becomes available, the original patent holder doesn’t automatically gain marketshare.
It’s amazing to read all the posts where people are assuming Windoze users will now automatically consider Apple hardware simply because it runs Windoze, too.
Consider: soon there will be no significant difference between Apple and Brand X hardware. Brand X hardware will be able to run OSX. There can be no doubt that legal methods of installing OSX on Brand X hardware will start popping up like “Soft Windoze” products did before.
Legally, Apple will lose the ability to tie its software to Apple brand hardware once the inevitable and successful court challenge emerges.
This is a two-way street. Apple may stand to lose more than it does to gain.
Reality Check:
“For Apple to allow a “tick box” for an application to be compiled for Windows automatically would require them to essentially port a vast amount of core MacOS functionality over to Windows. “
They already have, it’s called ‘Yellow-box for Windows’
I still prefer running windows in a virtual PC-like environment.
That way, I use my powerbook with OS X for real work (project documentation in Office 2004, e-mail in entourage, omnioutliner and omnigraffle and notetaker, as well as tons of photos in iPhoto), and my virtual PC when I have no other option (e.g. Borland C++, MS SqlServer, rational’s UML stuff etc…). The firewall of my powerbook keeps my virtual PC relatively safe — I hope —
When running windows in a dual book solution, the machine becomes a windows machine, and I will have to reboot to go back to OS X.
I do not consider that an option for me. So when I will upgrade to a macbook pro at the end of the year, I will definitely go for a virtual-PC like solution. Period.
Having said this, as a consultant I understand that for many people the dual boot option might be attractive, and might help them come to the other side
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Well, I ain’t puttin’ no Windoze on my Mac. BTW, who bought Virtual PC and how much did they pay for it?
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MW: inside
Okay maybe a few thousand people will actually switch because of this feature however lets face it, the reason why ipod 60 gb wasnt as popular as the 30 gb is because the $100 price difference.
If you think about it for a moment, not everyone in america is wealthy enough (or) have the mindset to think that it is a wise choice to ..
1) get a new computer
2) a new computer that is 2-3 times more expensive than a dell or an hp.
3) and then purchase a windows xp cd for $350
This all easily totals to over $2000+
If Ipod 30 gb is popular due to a $100 dollar difference, imagine how people would react to something that has a $1500 difference.
Dell laptops cost $500, apple laptops $2200 with tax and then $350 for xp plus all of the hassle and so on.
I would buy but seriously doubt many others would.
Oh i should also mention, change doesnt happen over night, take a look at microsoft browser, it is taking forever for firefox to become a fraction of what internet explorer is.
Firefox has been around for more than a year maybe more than 2 years, and it has only managed to be 2% compared to microsoft browser.
So everyone is so optimistic thinking Apple will sell ‘ Millions of iMacs’ you’re in the ‘ la la land ‘
People will waste $350 and then another $600 within 1 year and then trash their dell ( which is $500 wasted ) and then buy a imac for $1900+ tax and not even know if windows vista will work on imacs or not?
People will waste $350 and then another $600 within 1 year and then trash their dell ( which is $500 wasted ) and then buy a imac for $1900+ tax and not even know if windows vista will work on imacs or not?
People will waste $350 and then another $600 within 1 year and then trash their dell ( which is $500 wasted ) and then buy a imac for $1900+ tax and not even know if windows vista will work on imacs or not?
People will waste $350 and then another $600 within 1 year and then trash their dell ( which is $500 wasted ) and then buy a imac for $1900+ tax and not even know if windows vista will work on imacs or not?
Didn’t firefox just pass the 10% mark?
I might be wrong…
MDN editor,
If you INSIST on keeping this at the top of the list of articles, please at least change the headline so that it no longer claims that this happened ‘today’
We keep asking ourselves if it’s good, or bad, but one thing for sure. If you scan the world’s press, Apple is getting more publicity from this, than any other thing they’ve done & that means even the people who’ve never heard of a Mac, are now reading about them..
Windows XP costs $350
it is not free.
add $200 more and you can get a laptop with xp already on it.
Windows XP costs $350
it is not free.
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Huh? Mac users gonna pay for WIndows?
LOL
demonoid.com
I wonder if the driver disk would work on VirtualPC. Perhaps it would give better support for certain hardware aspects that weren’t supported with the ISO image that comes with VPC.
Great move. However:
I’m worried. Does this mean that the Intel Mac running Windows will be virus prone, as are all Windows machines? If so, does this mean OSX will also be affected? Hope not…
BootCamp is just the beginning … look already. DELL your dead
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Not as fast as BootCamp, but better than Virtual PC
http://www.parallels.com/download/mac/
Also, seem to work with linux too (3 OSs in one box)
http://theweeklyrant.com/article/8/news-apple-bootcamp-boots-linux
Of course Win MAC will be prone to viruses just like Wintel and MAC OSX is the fact you don’t have many today is due to market not that you are not able to get em, Windows is easier hack and there are more of em get 50% market share and expect OSX to be getting a whole lot more attention from black hats
gagravaar said (about the release of Cocoa for Windows):
>They already have, it’s called ‘Yellow-box for Windows’
Not true. Yellow Box was the original set of Openstep libraries that evolved into Cocoa. However Yellow Box is not the same as stuff such as Core Image, Core Audio, Quartz, Core Data, etc – all the things that a typical MacOS X application uses (the Application Kit). Several years ago, Yellow Box and Cocoa were the same thing. This is no longer true.
I’ve seen reports at MacWorld and elsewhere that when you boot Windows on a Mac, you don’t see the OS X partition by default. Ergo, the malware will not see the OS X partition.
However when booting into OS X, you do see the Windows partition, and at a minimum (depending on the partition formatting) can read that partition. SO, save your work in Windows and read it in OS X.
this is good for Apple, Microsoft & Intel… but likely bad for Dell