“President Bush’s radio addresses [are now] offered via podcast… Here’s what White House spokesman David Almacy told me: Selected Bush speeches, along with the radio addresses, are available now at the iTunes Web site. A team of about a dozen Web staffers are converting these and selected speeches into MP3 files and making them available too,” Robert MacMillan reports for The Washington Post.
“Not only that, the White House has created RSS feeds for the radio addresses in English and Spanish. That means that anyone who wants to can sign up to receive the information through their RSS readers along with news and other Web site updates that offer this service,” MacMillan reports. “‘As technology advances, the White House recognizes the importance of providing content in new ways to reach new audiences to communicate the president’s vision,’ Almacy said. Regardless of the current brouhaha over what that vision is, it might be possible to classify the Bush White House as jumping ahead of the curve on technology.”
Full article here.
U.S. President George W. Bush’s Weekly Radio Address to the Nation: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=78625853
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I much prefer http://www.weeklyradioaddress.com
“president’s vision” hee hee too funny!
<flame on>
now, if only it was worth listening to…
This Podcast should be tagged EXPLICIT
Can’t wait to here the Chief Executive arguing the case for Intelligent Design against evolution.
Maybe Iraqi agents put the fossils in the ground?
Of course, if Intelligent Design and creationism were a valid concept, he and his family wouldn’t have been able to make money from oil which is derived from decomposed carbons that are hundreds of millions of years old, as opposed to creationism which argues that the world is several thousand years old.
But let’s not let logic get in the way of pandering to the religious right.
Hail to the Chief— Podcaster, that is.
Sweet!!! I’m signing up as soon as I get home! This is a smart move.
MW: value, as in Yes, this adds value to our nation (for those on both sides of the the political “fence”)
Here iTunes and Podcasting are gaining the backing of the White House and all the mac fans can do is flame the president…
This basically shuts the Microsoft “blogcast” out of the water, establishes iTunes as “the” medium for obtaining podcasts…
Does no one see the significance in this?
I thought they were banning inappropriate content on iTunes. Lies don’t seem to be appropriate for our children, in my view.
Science, your cute little arguments add no value to a discussion b/w ID and Evolution. Of course, that’s to be expected, b/c Evolution is currently as much a belief system as ID. Start really digging through the science, and you’ll see the support for Evolution as a theory is much weaker than the support for almost any other commonly-held theory. That’s not a surprise, this is a process that, if true, will take us a long time to understand, b/c it takes a long time to happen. But what is surprising is the ferocity with which people defend something that they know so little about And yes, it happens on both sides of the argument. Didn’t your mom ever tell you two wrongs don’t make a right? Just b/c some Creationists are blatantly unreasonable, or just unknowledgeable about the scientist, doesn’t mean that many Evolutionists aren’t just as bad.
MW: when, as in “when will these foolish people learn?!”
i love listening to him rape the english language.
What’s he talking about? The success in Iraq? Not. The Success in the War on Terror? Not. Karl Rove? Not. Global Warming? Not. Gas Prices? Not. Countries like Iran, N. Korea, and Venezuala that lost all respect for us, and have been empowered by the last 6 years? Not.
What the hell is there to be happy about?
MW: value, as in Yes, this adds value to our nation
your friggin crazy
there are no values in this nation unless it comes with a price tag
as far as bush’s podcast, count me out
nothing i hate more than a moron with a microphone and a jesus complex…
with that smug “hey man it’s cool” redneck idiot attitude
he should stick to killing troops not “pod”waves
Great! Now I can listen to his lies wherever I go: jogging in the park, on the subway, or while traveling.
Are comedy albums are poised for a resurgence? The White House may be onto something here.
step,
there’s far more evidence, REAL evidence supporting the case for evolution. Not to mention its just common sense.
Thinking god is the ultimate answer for everytihng is just the most complacent and lazy viewpoint you could possibly take.
Stop with the condescending politically correct bullshit.
Put your lips right here Bush!
MDN Magic Word- Foot!
Also be sure to check out the podcasts from families of the brave soldiers who keep dying for Halliburton, oil companies, and Bush/Cheney’s wealthy backers.
If you’re reading this, then at least Bush’s lies didn’t KILL you. Thousands of Iraqi civilians and brave coalition troops are not so lucky.
But hey, at least we stopped the WMDs… er…. I mean we brought order to Iraq… er…. I mean we stopped Iraq from recruiting for Al Qaeda….
Oh, wait… Bush’s actions have been the best thing that ever happened to Al Qaeda recruiting. Nothing like killing civilians to win support!
Oh well, at least he’s done some good on the home front, eroding the civil liberties our nation stands for better than any external enemy could ever do.
To the rest of the world… don’t blame Americans, most of us didn’t vote for Bush
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Funny how the Bush-haters think they’re smarter if they don’t consider the President’s arguments. Bet they view themselves as rational/open-minded too! Ha!
BTW, the ignoramuses (on both sides) discussing Intelligent Design clearly don’t have the slightest idea what they’re talking about. ID is NOT the same thing as Creationism. It does NOT claim that living beings have not evolved over time, NOR does it claim that the planet is only 10K old. ID is NOT at odds with documented science on specific cases of evolution. Mainly, ID raises questions about whether evolution based on random mutation is responsible for ALL aspects of living organisms, including highly complex components for which there is scant evidence of evolution. While I mostly side with the evolution side in the scientific debate, the ignorance with which most advocates of evolution have attached ID supporters is embarrassing. And, no it wouldn’t bother me much if after students in school had learned about evolution, they had to analyze ID’s technical critique (e.g., Behe’s biochemical questions).
Nice PR for Podcasting at least. Don’t think I will be downloading any of these unless it is to hear the latest Bushisms.
“[T]he best way to find these terrorists who hide in holes is to get people coming forth to describe the location of the hole, is to give clues and data.” —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 15, 2003
“See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don’t attack each other. Free nations don’t develop weapons of mass destruction.” —George W. Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
“We actually misnamed the ‘war on terror.’ It ought to be ‘the struggle against ideological extremists who do not believe in free societies and who happen to use terror as a weapon to try to shake the conscience of the free world.”
“The march to war hurt the economy. Laura reminded me a while ago that remember what was on the TV screens — she calls me, ‘George W.’ — ‘George W.’ I call her, ‘First Lady.’ No, anyway — she said, we said, march to war on our TV screen.” —George W. Bush, Bay Shore, New York, Mar. 11, 2004
“It’s important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It’s not only life of babies, but it’s life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet.”—Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000
So what do think? Does MDN count as one of the “dark dungeons of the Internet”?
Thank You, Kate! You have it right. I’m glad someone can see the difference between ID and Creationism.
Here’s my two cents:
President Bush has failed to live up to many of the promises that he made to his conservative base in the 2004 campaign – the Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage is just one example. I haven’t supported Bush since 2002 (it took me awhile to see through his RDF), but if I were a member of his “base”, I’d be very mad at him right now.
Podcasting is great, because it gives listeners like us more control over information. It also allows us to not listen to people that annoy us. I for one won’t be listening to the Bush podcasts.
Creationism, Evolution, and Intelligent Design… at the end of the day, none of us knows for an absolute certainty which of these THEORIES is correct, if any. Yes, Creationism and ID are theories too. All of them require a leap of faith in one direction or another. If a tree falls down in the woods, and there are no people within earshot, does it still make a sound?
Linuxlover
Am I the only one giggling at the thought of Bush as an iPod silhouette?
johnny: Thinking that human research and reason is the ultimate answer for everytihng is just the most complacent and lazy viewpoint you could possibly take.
DistantThunder: Thinking that the Bible is the ultimate answer for every moral question is just the most complacent and lazy viewpoint you could possibly take.
Intelligent Design isn’t a theory, it’s a political strategy. And not even a particularly new or interesting one. Don’t think so? Look up the word ‘teleology’. It’s been around for over a century.
Intelligent Design is repackaged pap brought to you by the same people who fought so vociferously for a Flat Earth and a genetic basis for racism. If you can’t beat science, coöpt it, rewrite it, and sell it to the ignorant for all your worth, that’s what I always say.
The only way to confront terrorism is to attack it head on. Let the vast majority of the fighting happen over in the middle east. It’s pathetic that Muslims don’t turn on these fanatic terrorist and stop them themselves. But they don’t. You liberal nuts think if you hide from the terrorists and don’t dare do anything to provoke them that they will leave you alone. Wrong! They won’t stop until they have chopped off your heads and converted the world to Islam while the leaders get to drink, do drugs, have sex with hookers, etc. behind closed doors. You question them they kill you. There is no room on this planet for people like this. If they manage to get a nuke to go off in a US city watch out middle east. It’s over for you . Remember the American Indians. It will be worse for you scum.
George Bush will go down in history as the best world leader ever!
Let’s be honest here!
ID is just another attempt by the religious right to try and bring religious dogma into science.
You can dress it up by saying “it’s not really creationism”, but the simple truth is that the proponents of ID can’t have it both ways: if design is truly supremely intelligent and based on the works of an infallible higher intelligence, then it would be right first time, every time.
On that basis, the HIV virus is part of a supreme plan, but then so is malaria, or cancer or even homosexuality, which is – for all of those who don’t read widely – apparently genetic. So, in the world of ID, innocent children who are suffering from cystic fibrosis, AIDS, or leukemia are actually being used by a supreme intelligence as a biochemistry set; I find the idea that anyone could believe that my best friend’s father was taken away from him as part of God’s experiment in how cancer eats away at the human body truly appalling.
Biology and, in particular, genetics are demonstrations of organised chaos, where random mutations are created and either succeed or fail depending on any number of factors including geography, climate, available food sources, intervention by other organisms and any other number of parameters. Evolution is a simple truth that is proven by the fossil record as much as the mapping of any number of genomes.
Intelligent Design is the last refuge of people who want to believe that they were created by (a) God to counter their own insecurities about life, the Universe and everything in it. It is a spiritual safety net and, as such, belongs in religious education.
But it certainly has no place in a classroom teaching rational science in the 21st century, and the President has no business blurring the lines between religion and state yet further, whilst simultaneously making an international laughing stock of the American education system which, given the illiteracy rate in the USA, has more important things to worry about than the crackpot fundamentalism of a certain portion of the Republican Party’s lunatic fringe.
I thought I’d visit this thread just to kick something off.
But I see it’s doing quite nicely without me.
Linda – get a grip, and get out more. Your president is your president. Here in the UK, I didn’t vote for him or his similarly messianic chum, Tony Blair. He’s not a world leader: if he was, he’d pay more attention to what the world says and a lot less on the neo-colonial ambitions of the American Enterprise Institute and its ilk.
Andrew – I’ll remind myself, if terrorists do let off a dirty bomb in London, Paris, or New York, that Al Qua’ida was effectively a spin-off from an earlier neo-conservative strategy to undermine the Evil Empire in Afghanistan. I bet if you knew in 1981 what you knew in September 2001, you would have understood why the Soviet Union wasn’t too keen to have Islamic fundamentalism on the doorstep. But then it took the USA over three decades to work out that the Provisional IRA were gun-running, drug-smuggling, bank-robbing, racketeering gangsters, so at least twenty years is an improvement.
here, here, Science!
Has to be creation. If you look at a building, how do you know there was a builder? Or if you look at a painting, how do you know there was a painter? The building or the painting is proof.
It’s not any different with the world, with life, the stars, the human body, reproduction, seasons. These are all proof there is a creator. Each has order and purpose which cannot be explained by undirected natural processes. The Bible says we are without excuse because we can see the work of His hands.
We are accountable to Him. The Bible says we have broken his law and will be condemned. He considers lust to be adultery and hate to be murder. We have lied, stolen, and blasphemed his name.
On the day of judgement, the Bible says all our sins, even our secret sins, will be brought to light. We will be guilty before God of breaking the 10 commandments and be sentenced to hell.
But Jesus came and lived a perfect life. He never sinned. He died in the place of the children of God. He took their sins upon himself and gave his righteousness to them. If we will trust in Jesus, in what he did for us, and repent, we will be saved. He will grant us eternal life.
If you cannot repent, you are like a child who refuses to obey and shows no remorse. You will enter into hell for eternity.
http://www.needgod.com
What’s he talking about? The success in Iraq? Not. The Success in the War on Terror? Not. Karl Rove? Not. Global Warming? Not. Gas Prices? Not. Countries like Iran, N. Korea, and Venezuala that lost all respect for us, and have been empowered by the last 6 years? Not.
What the hell is there to be happy about?
“johnny: Thinking that human research and reason is the ultimate answer for everytihng is just the most complacent and lazy viewpoint you could possibly take.”
do you realize how completely insane you sound? keep supporting bush you jackass.
oh and “prophet”, if you’re trying to convince anybody but the most hardcore bible thumpers out there of your views, you may not want to start every sentence with “but the bible says…”
secondly, you are defeating your own stupid argument. you’re insisting that everything must have been “created” by a higher intelligence. if god created us, then who created god?
stop with the silliness already.
BHML, You use the term “redneck” like it’s derogitory. What’s your problem with rednecks?
I know your problem with the English language: You don’t know the difference between you’re and your.
And one more question, what’s a “Pod” wave?
Woops, that’s derogAtory. Hehe.
MCCFR, actually the people of the US didn’t vote for Bush either. Still using the long antiquated “Electoral College” (enacted to compensate for the long distances traveled by horseback), although the popular DEMOCRATIC total voted for Gore in 2000, Bush won. To make matters worse, the defining electoral votes were determined by HIS BROTHER, Jeb Bush, the governor of Florida.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000
Bush has spent more time “on vacation” than any other President. He spends this time with Daddy, so Dad doesn’t have to make those daily phone calls to the White House to tell junior what to do.
..and “Get your lies” was wrong. Bush was not responsible for thousands of Iraqi deaths. There were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of deaths… almost as many as Sadam caused there.
…and Bush STILL has no “end game” planned. This can go on forever… much to the joy of VP Cheney and his Halliburton friends, not to mention Bush’s friendship with the Bin Laden family.
There are FAR TOO MANY bed-buddies connecting the White House to this huge mess and NO ONE is looking into it. But, I guess it is not as much of a national security issue as an Oval Office blow job. You can kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, thousands of your own young military men and women, fscking the whole world… just don’t fsck the secretary.
God, as the Creator, is not bound by the natural laws he implemented in His creation. The universe we live in is restricted by time. There is a linear progression of events. That is how God designed the universe.
However, He is not subject to the law he created because He is ouside of it. He has no beginning and no end. He does not exist in time where things happen before and after. He IS.
http://www.needgod.com
Maybe ‘W’ can tell me where I realy come from????? He seems to know everything else!
‘Intelligent design’ spare me please! it takes us back before the renaissance with its ideology.
Come on AMERICA, where are you heading, and taking the rest of the free thinking world? We are sceptical? Going down the road of Intelligent design and trying to maintaining a grip on the ‘free world’s thinking’ is not going to work!
Faced with the current radical religious world, what are we doing, trying to join them! I work and live in Afghanisatan and feel wha t these people want ot be, and it has nothing to do with In telligent design, thay want somewhere to live and be safe!!!!!!!
Intelligent design puts us just exactly where the ‘GOD’ jumble of religions and raceism exists today! ‘Nowhere’ An excuse to Kill in the name of GOD.
We as a rational, intelligent society have already lifted ourselves above all this through science and technology over the last 500 years since the renaissance, why go through the same crap we have already been through for the past few hundred years?
God exists for most of us, but not the way any on the present incumbants purport.
Don’t join them, lets begin a new age of discovery and just be ourselves and spread love between all races and RELIGIONS.
There’s a challenge to the poeple we put in place to lead us?
No comment, I bet, because it is all too hard.
umm prophet,
i’d hate to break it to you, but you exist in linear time also. therefore, you have no way of knowing any of that. living your life according to things you make up to justify god’s existence is just kinda sad.
and don’t you think burning in hell for eternity is a bit harsh? if god made us as flawed creatures, why punish us for that very same thing..and for so long? and you know, the bible never went into detail on what hell actually is. you’re alittle too wrapped up in movies I think. its too bad you were brainwashed at such a young age.
Intelligent Design isn’t a scientific theory. In order to be scientific, a theory has to be falsifiable; i.e. a hypothetical experiment could demonstrate that the theory is or isn’t true. “A magical being created us,” can never be disproved or proved.
Prophet:
Actually, stars, planetary accretion and the non-breathing universe is explained by physics and chemistry. This stuff can be mainly modelled using mathematics, not the entrails of a chicken. And the stuff that doesn’t conform to a model invariably does so because its being acted on by external forces that are obeying their own model.
The living stuff is biology: it happens because some planets – dependent on their size, position relative to their star, presence of a “local” giant asteroid-killer planet, etc – appear to develop a supporting infrastructure and then chemistry combined with energy collide to create the “spark of life”. This doesn’t happen because of Intelligent Design – it happens because of random chance, and it’s been happening for billions of years and it will carry on happening elsewhere in the Universe long after the Earth has been turned into a dessicated marble spinning around our exhausted Sun.
God did not make man as a flawed creature. He made man and the world perfect, we screwed it up. Hell is just part of the consequenses.
I believe the Bible is true, so I can learn from the Bible about God. I’m not limited to what man “thinks” because the Bible is inspired. The Bible tells me that God is the Creator and has always been and always will be.
If you steal a car and get caught, you’ll be punished according to the law. God is just and will punish lawbreakers. He made the law and the sentence. I’m just the messenger. In Isaiah 64, God tells us what our righteous deeds look like to Him: filthy garments. A more modern translation might be “used maxipads”. If that’s what our righteous deeds look like, how disgusting must our sin be to Him? He is perfect in holiness and demands a perfect keeping of his law.
The argument you are making is the exact same argument Paul talks about in Romans 9. The bottom line is, you have no hope without God’s grace.
As far as hell is concerned, the Bible is clear enough. Fire and torment for eternity. Details: http://needgod.com/009ih.shtml
Science —
You can believe that if you want to, but you can’t prove it, and it doesn’t change the truth. Natural random processes will never advance continually in greater and greater complexity or result in systems designed for specific purposes.
You can’t put a bunch of elements into a burning couldron, wait a few million or billion years, and end up with a Porshe. In exactly the same way, you can’t put a bunch of chemicals into a pot, wait a few million or billion years, and end up with a human being.
Not possible. Completely illogical.
please, no more used maxipad/sin analogies.
“Science” has got it right. We should live on what we can see and prove.
You’re basically telling us to believe in talking snakes, undead jewish carpenters, parting a sea, walking on water, and an invisible god monster in the sky.
It’s incredible so many so readily believe that crap. If god wants us to believe in “him”, lets fucking see some magic happen already. Enough of the FAITH bullshit. What a cop-out.
I personally wish I was around for another 2000 yrs when scientology is treated with the same reverence as christianity.
and to “iveritas”. saying we “screwed up” implies we’re flawed and NOT perfect. you dummy.
johnny —
If you don’t believe the Bible, you won’t believe the miracles either.
I’ll use Luke chapter 16 as my proof text.
Being created perfect and living perfect are not the same. Adam made a choice and set all of this imperfection in motion.
As for miraculous signs, most didn’t believe even after the saw them and neither would you. Your heart is too hard.
Johnny’
You’re the man. I likme your theories. Science before bullshit!
Cheers Dude,
Aussie Pete
Intelligent Design. Now there’s buncombe if I’ve ever heard it. I sent Washington Journal a commentary, but it was not aired. To wit, if the complexity of life implies the need for an Intelligent Designer — whether God, space aliens or Ralph Lauren — then the Intelligent Designer is necessarily complex. Who designed the designer? Obviously, this is an infinite regress that never comes to an end. Simply put, the advocates of Intelligent Design want to put God in the gaps in evolutionary theory and have us believe it is a scientific answer. It is not; in fact, it is no answer to anything.
Science —
Dear Prophet,
(You can believe that if you want to, but you can’t prove it, and it doesn’t change the truth. Natural random processes will never advance continually in greater and greater complexity or result in systems designed for specific purposes.
You can’t put a bunch of elements into a burning couldron, wait a few million or billion years, and end up with a Porshe. In exactly the same way, you can’t put a bunch of chemicals into a pot, wait a few million or billion years, and end up with a human being.
Not possible. Completely illogical.)
YES I CAN and guess what? It is called ‘MAN’ very logical, you might even be one!! Scarry isn’t it?
4 Billion years of evolution against a few what ever you like!!!!!
Here’s an article that may make my point a bit more clearly that I can.
http://www.venganza.org/
” I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.”
Here’s an impartial bystander’s opinion.
Religion is absolutely the most evil thing that has ever existed in the world.
Say what you want about “your” religion, how its all about peace and non-violence, but the reality is that the very concept of religion is devisive – you are either “save” or not, you are “good” or “evil”.
The reality is that, throughout history, more wars have been fought and more people have been killed due to religion than anything else. And if you dont believe that the current situation in Iraq is related to religion, then you need to pay closer attention.
Sorry kids Darwin was right all along, and Evolution is relevant through all life. Those who adapt, those who progress, those who are strong will rise, this is why socialism will never work. Darwin taught us so much.
Hey guys,
This is all very exciting stuff, but I am on the front line here in Afghanistan and I can tell you that no ideology that anyone has expunged so far, has made a difference to the daily lives of the people that are coming back to life in Afghanistan.
They are Still Muslims and proud of it, ( no problem there) They just want to be able to bring up their families without believing they will be part of a future war. Either by their own government or by the American’s.
When someone offers you peace, you will take it and trust that it gives you room to prosper. They are prepared to do this!
let’s hope that the hard work done here will lead to that. The signs are good. The locals are not arguing about ‘Intelligent Design”or any other design, they just want peace and safety for their children.They haven;t haqd the time to sit and think about it!
Not much to ask from a very rich ‘WEST’?
Is it?
It is a shame to see fellow Mac enthusiasts exhibit such narrowminded expressions as seen in most of the posts above. I think that the office of the President embracing podcasting for communications to the citizenry a positive step. Regardless of how much some of you may hate the current President, he will be replaced in just a few years, but the precedent of podcasting the views from that office, undiluted by the media, has been set.
Regarding ID, I suggest some of you rabid naysayers read the multiple books of Gerald L. Schroeder. Schroeder is a physicist, with both his undergraduate and doctoral degrees from M.I.T. His writings on astrophysics to quantum mechanics to microbiology are very enlightening. I defy any of those that want to dismiss ID to read Dr. Schoeders books and not come away with a better understanding of what the theory of Evolution proves and does not prove. Evolution fits quite nicely within the framework of ID; they are NOT mutually exclusive. If you REALLY want to understand the nature of life on earth, I suggest you keep a truly open mind and not simply adhere to one belief system or another. For the record: I wasn’t raised in a church going family, I am not affiliated with any religion, I am a college graduate that majored in biology. Lastly, the biochemistry of DNA and RNA is some of the most complex and sophisticated chemistry on the planet, yet it appeared with the very first life on earth. Statisticians have ruled out the plausibility or the possibility of these extremely complex molecules, and there attending interaction, merely happening by “chance”. Regardless of how many billions years ago our planet was formed, water didn’t appear to relatively recently, and none of the complex chemistry of life is even possible without it. The period of time from when water condensed on earth to the appearance of life is a blink of the eye in geological time. “Chance” simply does not allow for it. READ and become enlightened. There are many such FACTS that are simply not explained by Evolution alone.
Prophet,
The bible was written 40 years after those “stories” happened (leaving room for much elaboration and misinformation), by people who didn’t understand the complexity of our world. Their words should not be taken at face value. e.g Noah’s Flood was not a flood of the whole world because they did not have a concept of how big the world was. Noah’s flood was just a flood in their area, proven by scientific fact (there is a show on Discovery that examines events such as this to see if there are explanations for what is said to have happened and most if not all are completely explainable). People come up with strange theories for things when they do not understand and there is a whole lot they did not understand at that time so to look at the bible for all your answers in life is just plain ignorant.
What I believe, is that humans did not evolve from some intert primordial soup. How could they? Thats just absurd.
Let me tell you what happened. Millions of years ago, a vactioning family of alphacenturians landed here to take a dump. In this fetid pile of waste they excreted onto the surface of the planet, were the initial bacteria from which all further native life on this planet evolved.
Someone on here mentioned a building, the existence of a which is proof of the existence of a builder. As such, the existence of human waste is proof of it’s origin. There is no better example of human waste than the current president of the USA to illustrate that example.
Podcasting is fast becoming the biggest educational tool going. Now you can even use it to learn basic Texan.
I’m with Spark. Don’t confuse intelligent design with creationism. Many scientists have embraced ID because evolution simply doesn’t have all the answers.
As for Iraq, it’s the insurgents who are slaughtering civilians, not coalition forces.
Prophet:
So, God is talking directly to us through the Bible? Or is it just his ghost-writing team? Of course, if one truly reads the original Talmud, there are literally hundreds of commandments which, I assume, you observe. Let’s start with an easy one first? I presume you haven’t eaten any shellfish recently or eaten a hamburger with a milkshake.
Aramaic translated into Greek then translated into Latin and finally into German, English and a hundred other languages. I’m sure there was no room for misinterpretation, especially as the Roman Empire was seeking to maintain control of Europe as Christianity spread.
[B]You can believe that if you want to, but you can’t prove it, and it doesn’t change the truth. Natural random processes will never advance continually in greater and greater complexity or result in systems designed for specific purposes.[/B]
Utter rubbish – the random processes are not advancing continually, they were complex to begin with, they’re complex now, they’ll still be complex in 20 billion years. But guess what? They’ll be the same processes.
As for “systems designed for specific purposes”: more nonsense. Only a religious zealot in his arrogance could believe that they’re part of a system designed for a purpose (“Why are we all here?”). The random nature of the Universe made the Earth habitable, and the random processes of evolution resulted in humans, and the random processes of procreation resulted in you.
The only “system” you and I are part of is the [I]Homo Sapiens[/I] system, which chaotically interacts – normally detrimentally, despite our alleged intelligence – with other systems comprising other species as well as self-contained systems defining climate, ocean currents, coastal erosion etc.
As for complexity, the only powering force is humankind continually “progressing” by trying to alter the environment in which it resides utilizing technology and skills that it has acquired over time through a process of trial and error.
[B]You can’t put a bunch of elements into a burning couldron, wait a few million or billion years, and end up with a Porshe. In exactly the same way, you can’t put a bunch of chemicals into a pot, wait a few million or billion years, and end up with a human being.[/B]
Again, more crap: the Porsche is the result of numerous technological leaps made by Man’s ingenuity – mining, the smelting of ores into metal, the discovery of oil for light and heat, the invention of the steam engine, the discovery of the distillation process, the discovery of electro-magnetic forces. The raw materials were there as a result of the previously mentioned accretion of neutrons, electrons and protons to create a variety of elements, which were then either used in their near pure state (e.g. malachite into copper ore) or combined to create more complex man-made materials.
Man is partially the result of external events – not least of which was a large ball of rock smashing into the Gulf of Mexico around 60 million years ago without which mammals would never have progressed beyond the shrew and the dominant species on the planet would be some form of evolved lizard.
If the rock would have gone straight into the Gulf at a perpendicular angle, it probably wouldn’t have been an extinction event and if the rock would have coincided with Earth at another point on the mantle, the resulting “nuclear winter” wouldn’t have been as bad because of the precise elemental make-up at the impact point.
MacLibertarian,
You are wrong about socialism. Socialism is the natural state of society.
Unless you are advocating anarchism (your name suggests otherwise) you believe that people should be organized into a society. And in this very belief you are advocating socialism.
Think about it logically for a minute. Society exists expressly to prevent darwinism. Consider : If I were the biggest baddest guy in town, I could rob and rape and kill, and no single person could stop me – thats darwinism. But, when 3-4 townspeople band together to stop me, and are protecting the “weak” from the “strong” – that is socialism. They are using their combined strength to benefit everyone.
Take that idea and consider our society. We have laws and police and they prevent physical darwinism from occuring. Make no mistake, this IS socialism. The problem with our society is that our socialism is unbalanced – we protect people from physical darwinism, but not economic darwinism. This allows a few people to soak up all the money and all the land and all the resources until there is nothing left for the rest of society. This is fundamentally unbalanced and doomed to failure, because when there is nothing left for the rest of society, society will break down so goes its protection against physical darwinism. And what do you think will then happen to those who profited so well through economic darwinism under the protection of the society?
MacJack & Spark:
Yep, and I can find “scientists” who are willing to go on record and state that global warming is a myth and that there is no proven link between smoking and cardio-vascular illnesses.
Just because someone graduates from MIT doesn’t make them infallible, any more than just because I passed my driving test in 1989 means that I’m still a good driver in 2005.
As for the statistical probability of DNA/RNA occurring by chance: you must be joking. Have you ever heard the expression that “in an infinite universe, everything is possible”. DNA [I]per se[/I] is not actually complex, it’s simply four base proteins. “Ah”, you say, “but guanine, adenine, etc are complex entities in and of themselves”.
This is true, but we have no idea whether life originally tried to blueprint itself using other proteins derived from other amino acids and whether those attempts failed or to what extent they succeeded before the ultimately dominant DNA/RNA system we know and love appeared.
All we really know is that, at some point, a successful mechanism for defining life as a self-replicating single-cell organism was arrived at by chance, and that those single-cell organisms evolved in a highly diversified manner to exploit every niche and environment on the planet.
johnny–
The FSM was a new one to me and a great read. Very funny. A great improvement over the Invisible Pink Unicorn. [Please note the sarcasm is my next statement, even though it is true.] Unfortunately, worship of either of these would be breaking at least one of the first two commandments.
Science–
Do you really think current translations of the Scriptures are based on translations of the originals? The finding of the Dead Sea scrolls was a great encouragement to translators because they were 1000 years older than any other copies we had and they were near identical to what we had been using. The few differences were only in changes in spellings of words or in style.
What I meant by “systems designed for specific purposes” was things like: blood clotting, digestion, replication, sight, touch, pollination, the hydrologic cycle. These things could not have been arranged accidentally. They must have been designed.
Anybody can look at a Porsche and see that it was designed. Somebody thought of it and figured out a way to build it. Anybody should be able to look at a bacterial flagellum, let alone the whole bacteria, and see that it was designed. Somebody thought of that flagellum and figured out a way to build it using over 50 proteins which could never have arranged themselves randomly, no matter how long you waited.
“Statisticians have ruled out the plausibility or the possibility of these extremely complex molecules, and there attending interaction, merely happening by “chance”.”
“”Chance” simply does not allow for it. READ and become enlightened. There are many such FACTS that are simply not explained by Evolution alone.”
spark,
that’s crap right there buddy.
the fact is there is still A LOT about biology that hasn’t been figured out yet. for a bio major you’re the one that needs the more open mind. Atleast with biology there’s more to learn. with ID, its just a euphemism of sorts for creationism. you say to read more. All the books in the world can’t create a convincing argument for a creator. The evidence just isnt there. AND it never will be.
just out of curiousity,
i cant remember where i’ve seen this but a man came up with a mathematical algorithm that randomly created shapes based on a certian set of rules.
many of these shapes amazingly came out shaped like tree leaves, snowflakes, and other natural occurances.
if a math equation can do this based on certain conditions, why can a bunch of proteins and amino acids do the same thing? the environment would of course choose the variables creating life that was suited for it.
Screw Dubya’s Podcast’s – where are the daughters?
johnny–
“a man came up with a mathematical algorithm that randomly created shapes based on a certain set of rules”
Well, God came up with the “certain set of rules”. He wrote millions of applications using DNA and then He ran them.
Aussie Pete,
Great comments. Yes, America is losing its soul, sadly. I shall say a “prayer”, or rather, a secular “best wishes” for everyone in Afghanistan.
God’s plan? Huh?!
The U.S. Census Bureau reported that hunger is a daily concern for 13.8% of Americans.
There will be 125 million births in the world this year. By the time this group is ready to start school, there will have been another 625 million births.
Every 20 minutes, the human population grows by about 3,000. At the same time another plant or animal becomes extinct (27,000 each year).
According to the U.N., if fertility were to stay constant at 1995-2000 levels, the world population would soar to 244 billion by 2150 and 134 trillion by 2300.
The population of the U.S. tripled during the 20th century, but the U.S. consumption of raw materials increased 17-fold.
One tenth of all the people who have ever lived are alive today.
The richest 20 percent of humanity consumes 86 percent of all goods and services, while the poorest fifth consumes just 1.3 percent.
There has been more growth in population since 1950 than during the 4 million years since our early ancestors first stood upright.
Only 11% of the world’s soils can be farmed without being irrigated, drained, or otherwise improved.
Current extinction rates are at least 100 to 1,000 times higher than natural rates found in the fossil record.
Every year, between 17,000 and 100,000 species vanish from our planet.
[ http://www.overpopulation.org/faq.html ]
…and Bush wants to cut down more forests to find more oil to make more greenhouse gasses.
I recommend the writings of Richard Dawkins for a thorough and devastating debunking of Intelligent Design arguments. Especially “The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design” and “A Devil’s Chaplain: Reflections on Hope, Lies, Science, and Love”.
I think it is great that the President’s messages will be available via iTunes.
Nay, not interested in politics
“Johnny”!
For the most unscientific AND idiotic statement on this entire thread, and there have been a LOT of those!!
Money quote:
“The evidence just isnt there. AND it never will be.”
Asserting that the evidence for a new theory “will never be” is a profoundly fundamentalist/religious/dogmatic statement, even if of a secular kind. Perhaps the most basic principle of science is that explanatory theories will evolve or be replaced based on new empirical evidence–and we should never close our minds off to the possibility of such an occurrence. An assertion that new evidence will “never” exist is untestable (not to mention absurd) and, therefore, not scientific. God, save science from its supporters!!
Johnny must have failed elementary science class.
Kate
Hey there.
I just wanted to let you know that I have read only a small smackeral of this page.
You guys really truly need to get a life.
Overpopulation? For crying out loud. Have you BEEN to Montana? Alaska? Mid Alabama?
Texas has 7.3 trillion square feet of land. Alaska has twice that.
And to quote ‘Ghandi’ – “The reality is that, throughout history, more wars have been fought and more people have been killed due to religion than anything else.”
Really?
So WW1 and WW2 were about religion? And Iraq? And Vietnam? And Korea? You’ll find that in order to convince yourself of this ‘reality’ you have to twist history to fit your warped view.
Go to the top of the page and you’ll see an article on the President’s podcasts.
johnny: do you realize how completely insane you sound?
For science worshippers who are too biased to think for themselves, an open mind to truth beyond scientific deduction does sound insane. But unfortunately it is those who think that faith is insane who are truly insane and completely spiritually bankrupt. But on the other hand there is no particular virtue in faith itself, short of faith in what is true.
All of your posts, and those of your buddies, prove you and they (variously) (1) don’t understand your own theory of evolution; (2) don’t understand the beliefs of most creationists; (3) don’t understand the difference between creationism and intelligent design; (4) don’t understand the diversity of Christian thought on subjects such as hell, or Christian history on topics such as the “flat earth” etc.; (5) pretty much don’t know nuthin’ except that you hate certain people. Hopefully you are doing well in school, but I have a bad feeling about that too.
thanks for caring distant thunder.
i have a great job and life. I knew getting sucked into this would be pointless, but i did anyway.
and i only hate the ignorant. and buddy – you are ingorant.
and boy, sleeping in on sunday is great.
kate,
are you a total moron?
unless god himself appears, the EVIDENCE will NEVER be there.
is that more clear for you??
i made it very clear my distinctions between science and religion. now shit your mouth and go back to the kitchen where you belong.
Get your hand out of your pants and listen up:
Would you also say that unless a black hole suddenly became visible (“appeared”), the “EVIDENCE” would “NEVER” be there? Do you disbelieve Einstein’s theory of relativity because recent evidence for it rests entirely on its INDIRECT impact on OTHER phenomena in space. There are MANY things in science we can’t perceive directly, but we infer their existence from other phenomena.
That’s enough, now back to kindergarten science for you!
Love & kisses,
Kate
I’m sure Jesus would approve of your hyperbole, kate. Great job there.
ID is not science. It’s an idea, a rather abstract one; it cannot be proved, but that _doesn’t mean it’s illegitmate_, you are right in that.
However, regardless of what you or Shrub think it is, “Intelligent Design” _is_ being used as an excuse by rabid conservatives to place Creationism in science class.
ID is a fine idea. Let it be taught along with Buddhism and the Talmud in Religion or Philosophy class. Or do you really want this country to fall further behind Asia than it already is?
Further, let’s get back to the point, which is that Bush lied and over 1800 Americans are dead as a result. Total and fundamental abuse of power. Why can’t you see these things, kate? Why must it always be a single issue? Can’t we agree that corrupt politicans are bad? Why can’t you see that Bush and all of his lackeys are corrupt?
The entire world sees this, except for a few million Fox “falafalicious” O’Reily viewers and Rush “Nope, Didn’t Go To War ‘Cause I Had Hemmorroids” Limbaugh listeners. Why aren’t you more observant, for Chrissake?
There are many highly religious non-Republicans. Christ was one of them. Or do you think he’d approve of Bush’s motto: “might makes right”? Repent, kate baby. It’s probably too late, because Shrub has already sold us to the Chinese, but it might make you feel a little better, huh?
In any case, enjoy your $5.00/gallon gas next summer, courtesy Bushiburton Oil.
And hey, remember this:
“I’m a uniter, not a divider.”
If you think there’s been a more divisive president in the 200+ year history of the USA, please name him. Clinton may have been more well-liked than Reagan, but even Reagan didn’t polarize people like Dubya. Nixon? Johnson? Everybody hated them at one time or another. Certainly no president in history has lost two straight elections (by popular vote) until W.
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kate kate kate….
we’re not talking about science here. I.D. is NOT science. It’s creationisn you hole. We’re talking about fairytales.
And if you’re gonna be all condescending and insulting, try and be a little more creative. You sound like a dumpy housewife with those lines.
@ Kate:
Nice try, but no cigar!
The problem with your assertion re: Einstein’s Theory of Relativity is that not only can certain aspects – such as black holes – be observed by their indirect impact on other factors (such as the whole gravitational lens thing), but that other less complex observations of other objects – even putting an atomic clock in a plane – have effectively shown that Einstein was pretty much on the money.
@ Prophet:
No, I don’t “think” that there have been multiple translations, I know that there have been multiple translations – it’s a matter of archaeological and historical record. But even if that were not the case, you should actually read what I wrote which is that the translations not only gave rise to a change in language, but – almost inevitably – to either accidental or willful misinterpretation.
As a Jew, I’m only too conscious of the view that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus and the persecution that we have suffered since: my personal view is that you cannot trust the Bible’s interpretation for what was state-sponsored murder, given that the Roman Empire – the people who knocked the nails in – ultimately became the Holy Roman Empire. Do you really think that Rome would have published a document that said “Actually, we were responsible for murdering the Messiah – but you can trust us now because we’ve seen the light”. Or do you think that they engineered the text to some degree to push blame onto another group whose influence they were looking to undermine whilst simultaneously maintaining Rome’s role as the centre of the “civilised” (sic) world.
Faith is a great thing and a comfort to us in times of trouble, but you need to be consistent. If you believe in the Word of God as you claim, you still need to answer the question about whether you abide by all the Commandments or just the nice easy headlines: the moment you eat a spare rib or a crabcake, you’re done for or if you wear garments made from a cotton/wool mix, or if you have a pair of pigskin gloves.
It’s not a menu: if you want to say that the Bible is literally true, then you’re bound by the whole thing – not just the convenient bits. How about “vengeance is mine, I will repay” – which seems to specifically counsel against acts of retaliation – how does that fit with state-sponsored execution or torture.
As for one of your other posts: clotting is a chemical reaction – pure and simple. digestion – likewise, touch is an electromechanical system that has been optimised by millions of years of evolution.
If clotting was a “perfect” Intelligent Design or the work of an infallible superior being or force, explain haemophilia where a random genetic defect results in some people not being able to “clot” properly. And if cell replication is an Intelligent Design, explain cancer where the process goes horrendously wrong.
I don’t even understand your point regarding pollination – plants have evolved literally hundreds of different strategies for reproduction, and certain animals and insects have developed optimised characteristics for exploiting those strategies. It’s a synergy where pollination was possible prior to the specialisation as was the collection of plant-based food for the pollinator, but – over millions of years – evolutionary development allowed some insects and animals to become more successful than others.
Science–
I have an open mind and love to learn new things. It’s a passion. I can’t just accept what you say at face value, I have to test it. So I’ll need some proof that the fragments current translators are using are not in the original languages.
As for keeping the law…
I can’t do it. If I can just get the 10 commandments down, then I’ll move on to the other things. I can’t seem to go just one day without breaking these “nice easy headlines” or the “convenient bits” as you call them. I hate my weakness and try to overcome it. But it’s hard.
I lie (to protect myself, to save my pride, to intentionally deceive)
I steal (time from my employer, like right now)
I commit adultery (Jesus said to lust is committing adultery in your heart.)
I murder (Jesus said being angry with someone, or hating, is the same as murder.)
And that’s just four of the ten commandments. I am woefully inadequate as a “saint”.
Jesus is the atonement lamb. He shed his blood to cover my sins. I have been given his righteousness because he did keep ALL of the law. Even the little bits. He did it for me.
Having faith in Jesus is trusting in his cleansing blood like you would trust in a parachute. On the day of judgement, when He makes everything right, he will push everyone out of the plane. Those who have trusted in his blood will have their parachutes on and ready. Those who did not will be splattered on the ground.
I’m just the messenger. It’s up to you to make a decision. I really do care about all you guys and I don’t want you to be in hell. I’m trying to show you that what you believe is not necessarily true.
If our eyes meet on judgement day, you may want to beat me for not making you understand, but I’ve done all I can. Your blood is on your own head. It breaks my heart but all I can do is give you the message and hope you’ll put away your pride, resentment, and consider it.
– Peace
Science –
“If clotting was a “perfect” Intelligent Design or the work of an infallible superior being or force, explain haemophilia where a random genetic defect results in some people not being able to “clot” properly. And if cell replication is an Intelligent Design, explain cancer where the process goes horrendously wrong.”
Since when does intelligent design require perfection. Would not most agree that a Porche is intelligently designed, but don’t some malfunction on occasion?
“my personal view is that you cannot trust the Bible’s interpretation for what was state-sponsored murder”
If you take the time to read the scripture, you will see that the Bible does not dissagree with you here. Just because some who have called themselves Christian have held that view does not mean that the Bible espouses it. It is clear in the text that certain individuals in Jerusalem desired it and that the Roman government carried it out. No where does it suggest retribution on a group of people. The Bible does not call for revenge for the murder of Jesus. Jesus triumphed over that murder by raising himself from the dead. It is because he did so that we as Christians have victory over our own sins.
So you demand proof that the version of the Bible on which you rely is not based on a Latin translation from a Greek translation of Aramaic scripture.
But you won’t accept the proof of the evolution of the Universe and the living creatures on this planet despite the existence of “real” science, because it won’t easily conform to your view that their must be a guiding creator.
You demand that I prove evolution by proving that your belief is invalid: I can’t prove it because there is simply no scientific evidence to either support or disprove your position, because your position is philosophical or spiritual as opposed to scientific.
Let me turn it around on you: prove to me that ID is a fact, incontrovertibly and with supporting physical evidence that cannot be subject to interpretation. If you can’t, what you’re telling me is simply a fairy story.
Logically, doesn’t it make sense that Jesus was just a man in a time begging for a messiah. I mean, even today we have from time to time people saying that they are messengers directly linked to God, except today those people are considered freaks and are put down. But take away all the technology, and someone like that could clearly gain more power and believability. And then because the stories spread and a book is written and times goes by, it becomes fact in many peoples minds and before you know it, millions of people arre following a false prophet. Of course it is the fact that so many people are following it that it has so much strength. How can so many people be wrong? Think about it. Logically, that makes a lot of sense.
Science–
You make it sound like evolution has been proven.
I don’t accept ID. It’s wrong. I believe God created all life in one week, as far as I can tell, about 6000 years ago. ID doesn’t permit that belief.
There is a lot of data that can be interpreted to dispove my belief. But after studying the data and the conclusions, I have yet to find enough data that cannot be interpreted in a different way which will support my view, to cause me to change my mind.
If you can show me evolution “is a fact, incontrovertibly and with supporting physical evidence that cannot be subject to interpretation” then I will renounce Jesus because the Bible would be a fairy tale.
What you say does make a lot of sense. And there were a lot of folk claiming to be the messiah during Jesus’ time. After they were taken out of the picture, though, their followers just dried up and disappeared.
What is different about Jesus is that after he died, his followers really believed they had seen him alive and were willing to die for him. They were beaten, threatened, their friends were killed, and they just kept on teaching about him. And people kept believing them. So it continues to this day.
Either they were all wacked, which doesn’t seem likely to me, or they really had seen Jesus and really did believe he was the messiah.
There is a promise in the Bible which is easy to test out. If He doesn’t keep His promise, then you’ll know it’s all a bunch of rubbish. I tested Him on it, and I believe. John 14:21.
G Spank–
Sorry, I put your name in the wrong spot. I’m a dork. I’m gonna go to Hell.
Since my previous message was even more confusing than the last…
I posted in G Spank’s name on accident. I meant to “reply to” G Spank and made it appear the message was “from” G Spank.
The message ‘from’ G Spank starting with “What you say does make a lot of sense” is actually from me, Prophet.
My apologies to all, especially G Spank.
no problemo, Prophet. I appreciate your response. In forums like this, I am used to people posting angry responses, and it is refreshing to get a nice reply.
I see your point, and it may be valid. I do not rule out that Jesus may be right on the money. Nevertheless, there are some troubling signs that point in the other direction. Like, what about his “superpowers” or “miracles” he performed. Why couldn’t he have performed them for the Romans, with the simple motivation that he could have gone on to teach and heal thousands more. Honestly, it kinda comes across as someone who had a gift for making stories that made him look almighty, but when he had to show it, he couldn’t.
Personally, as is evident, I do not believe the Bible is the word of God. I do actually believe more in line with ID, in the fact that I believe that this isn’t just a happy accident. But, that said, I think that people believing in Jesus is just fine (and they may be right!), especially if they find enrichment and fullfillment in their belief syste (and congrats on your finding God show Himself to you in your heart). But I do have major problems when people turn religion into politics. And I do believe that if Jesus were alive today, he would be disgusted in many ways as to what his teachings have been turned into, especially politically.
Anyway, thats enough for now.
Peace =]
G Spank-
If Jesus had performed miracles for the Romans, they most likely would not have crucified him. At least not right then. The reason he did not do so was that he came specifically to die at that time. He needed the Romans to carry it out. He entered Jerusalem on the day that the pascal lamb was chosen for the passover. His crucifixion occured on the day that the pascal lamb was slaughtered for passover. Jesus was the ultimate pascal lamb that was sacrificed for the sins of mankind. With powers to perform miracles, he could have saved himself, but he surrendered his life for us. It really is not about politics at all. It is about each individual and his/her relationship to the creator. Ask and you will be given, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you.
-Pax
Yeah Veritas, I understand all that, its just that I’m skeptical. I guess logically the whole thing seams really far fetched, almost fairy tale-ish. There-in lies the faith, I suppose. I mean, obviously the Noah’s ark thing is more like a children’s book than fact. I mean, c’mon, while we’re at it, why not believe in Atlantis or the Abominable Snowman. But I do believe there was a person called Jesus, and he was probably black, or dark skinned. He may have been the Son of God, or maybe not. But what has become of his teachings I do not necessarily agree with. Although I am not intimately familiar with His teachings, from what I do know I agree with Him.
What I said about politics, I meant that as something current. I wasn’t referring to the Romans or whatever (although I’m sure they had their share of politics too). I get the feeling that if Jesus were alive today, it would be the Catholic Church that would crucify him. Certainly the Religious Right would call him a Wack Job and probably do an amazing Character Assassination job on him.
Prophet:
And the issue here is that the evidence that exists already says that a) the Universe is many billions of years old (I think the latest estimates following some Hubble work that took rates of acceleration, Einsteinian laws and other factors came up with a figure of 16 billion years, but I’ll stand corrected if someone knows better) and b) that the Earth is around four billion years old and that c) the KT boundary – marking the extinction-level event that destroyed the dinosaurs – occurred around 65 million years ago.
To my knowledge, this last calculation was most recently established by scientists working within the Arctic Circle who discovered traces of debris in ice core samples that can be directly traced to the elements present in the mantle off the Gulf of Mexico where the asteroid impact implicated in the dinosaur’s extinction can be observed. And these core samples have debris where they should have if an event happened 65 million years ago – which coincides with what the fossil record says.
Of course, you can call their methods into question. And you can call the methods of astronomers into question. But when you start saying that all science which disagrees with creation theory is fraudulent, don’t you think that the problem might be that you’re a little narrow in your willingness to understand the universe.
Wow! We’re way back in August here. Sorta like a time machine, these archives, eh? You go back six months and there you still are .. lips still flappin’ an hot air still blowin’ .. just like no time had passed at all. Spooky and stuff, huh?
Oh yeah! … the Pentagon. heh. Almost forgot. But it’s gonna cost ya, eh? I might maybe be postin’ links to SupaDubya or sumpin to sorta even out the deal. Can you dig it? Anyways .. here’s the feed:
http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/podcast/xml/pentagonchannel.xml