“Microsoft has put… the ‘PlaysForSure’ logo onto any device that offers its proprietary software. The idea is to isolate Apple with ownership of the market and imply that Apple is the odd one out. And we’re sure, that to some extent, among some types of customers, it will work,” Faultline writes for The Register. “Microsoft’s plan seems to be targeted directly at Apple, for the sake of hurting Apple, rather than for the sake of making money. On the one hand it has acted as a design focal point to stimulate all of these companies to offer hardware against Apple. And on the other it has also provided a route into 30 online music stores around the world through integration with Windows Media Player 10, as well as launching its own MSN Music Store. The plan seems to be that some companies can build online music stores, others can build devices, and Microsoft will make it all come together because it all uses standard software in the middle. Security is assured through the bundled DRM.”
“Presumably any player can be used with any online music service as long as it uses Microsoft formats,” Faultline writes. “But we’d like to know who, exactly, is responsible for the customer experience? Is it the designer of the portable player hardware, the designer of the online music service or the constraints of Windows Media 10?”
“Steve Jobs is fond of saying things like, ‘It’s the Music stupid,’ and he has a point: it begins with the quality of song and its playback, and takes in the breadth of choice, ease of use and enjoyment, and permanent ownership of a collection of music,” Faultline writes. “Many of these services that Microsoft is supporting want you to pay for a music collection every month for the rest of your life. Stop paying and your subscription service is cut off and you retain no music. These are known to be weak models and perhaps they will fail entirely on the lack of appeal of this business model.”
“But the idea that Microsoft beat Apple in the PC market, and so quite naturally it can pull the same trick in the music market, is perhaps a little oversimplified. Apple has its customers already, Microsoft has yet to find its customers. Apple makes over $1bn of revenue from iPod sales, Microsoft cannot expect that money, because it’s only supplying a small part of the software for the MP3 players,” Faultline writes. “Microsoft gives its media player away free (illegally in the view of the European Commission), so where does it make its money? From music sales? Well so far that only amounts to $150m, even for Apple, and most of that goes to record companies. Microsoft may have covered the Apple play, just to stop it stealing a head start in other markets, but we can tell what the US stock market thinks by the way that Apple’s stock climbed over $2bn after its figures came out, while Microsoft’s has stayed flat as a pancake all week. Investors, at least, don’t think that Microsoft can undo everything Apple has worked for over the past three years, in one single announcement.”
Full article, an excellent read, with much more here.
Related MacDailyNews article:
Microsoft unveils ‘PlaysForSure’ logo which signifies incompatiblity with Apple iPod and iTunes Music Store – October 16, 2004
if apple were to stoop to the level of microsoft, they could create a “PlaysOniPod” campaign. people see ipod these days and they buy it.
however, i think apple is above this. they might be putting too much confidence in the consumer to explore products and realize their product is the best, but then again apple has never been about catering to the mass.
“Apple makes over $1bn of revenue from iPod sales, Microsoft cannot expect that money, because it’s only supplying a small part of the software for the MP3 players,” Faultline writes.
Well, the shoe is on the other foot. MS cannot monopolize the music market because, unlike PCs, it cannot strongarm the player manufacturers into using only its software and only its format (WMA). Serves them right.
MicroSoft has always had the advantage of critical mass in the software & computer game – but this is a new situation and they simply don’t know what to do.
How can it be that marginalized, little nothing Apple Corp. has a 70% marketshare in digital music? Billy and the boys must be apoplectic about Apple’s success and MicroSoft’s inability to bulldoze it’s way into the market.
The fact that Jobs made iPod and iTunes work on Windows will go down as one of the most brilliant preemptive strikes in computer history.
Billy’s boys are running about yelling “What to do now? What to do now?”
….And the only thing they could come up with was a negative marking slogan built upon fear of something “not MicroSoft”.
That’s right boys – your only choice when marketing a substandard, invasive and unstable product is to have the customer focus on something other than actual product merits.
Billy – you may have 99% of the operating system market for bank machines and grocery store barcode readers – but your desktop end-user market is imploding due to viruses and system stability issues.
MicroSoft – you are going down!
According to NPD digital format market shares (files on hard drives): MP3 – 72%, WMA – 19.6%, AAC – 4.3%
That’s a good start for MS, it didn’t take them too long to move from 20% to 80% in the browser market. I’m not saying they will win in digital formats, they can lose money for years and eventually make a profit (like MSN) or lose money for years hoping to make a profit one day (like XBox) or give up (Longhorn
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Downloads are a tiny proportion of files on hard drives, the vast majority are ripped from CD. The owners of the files may consider compatability when choosing an ‘MP3’ player, if so MS has some leverage.
Apple has a better hand than MS at the moment and there’s every indication they’ll continue playing well but it’s way too early in the game to predict the result.
So, The plan from Microsoft is NOT to compete in the download music market and make a profit. But to throw large amounts of money at the market in order to destroy all competition it believes treatens it’s operating system monopoly.
And there are those who wonder why Microsoft is continually bashed in these parts. Silly humans.
Just like Republicans, MS is more interested in smearing their opponent than in showing the positive attributes of its product (candidate). Why? Because their products (candidates) aren’t better, by a long shot.
Good article – good points. Music market aint the old PC market. Indeed the PC market aint the old PC market anymore.
Apple has a similar program in effect. You just have to pick products with the little Apple logo on it, and you’re sure to have a good experience : )
… so long thread. It’s a shame your life was so short
/thanks for nothing G-Spank
G-Spank, thanks for proving it goes both ways.
But the reason that 19.6% of music is WMA is not because people elected to use Windows Mediocre Accident as a format, but merely because they didn’t know how to or need to change the default in Windows Mediocre Player.
Apple is the one in the position of power here, not M$. People seem to forget that when the Xbox came along, there were also predictions of market share domination in the gaming arena which have never materialized. Sony got the one year jumpstart with the PS2 and even today they still lead M$ by a substantial margin. Just because M$ dominates in the OS field, doesn’t mean they will in every area they venture into by a long shot.
Oh…and G-spank is a clueless dipsh*t…
MP3 – 72%, WMA – 19.6%, AAC – 4.3%
What does that show? Nothing. It shows that people don’t understand digital music files.
I talk often with new iPod owners and they all use MP3 for it because they have no concept of what AAC is. The WMA people just think it has to be that way because of their crappy player. I don’t think this shows Microsoft has some sort of advantage. People are just uneducated. Most likely those MP3 people are using some form of an Apple product, whether iTunes or an iPod.
Just like Republicans, MS is more interested in smearing their opponent than in showing the positive attributes of its product (candidate). Why? Because their products (candidates) aren’t better, by a long shot.
Hmmm, yet I can’t name ONE thing Kerry will actually do or how he will accomplish it….. idiot.
What goes around comes around. MS can only say it “plays for sure” on about 10% of the portable hard drive music players.
What good is that?
Can someone really state “Plays For Sure” when using a subscription service?
Can someone really state “Plays For Sure” when using Windows Media Player and any other CPU intensive ap?
Can someone really state “Plays For Sure” when using a device powered by batteries?
Do you think ANY salesperson will stand by that label?
No one will take it seriously, and everyone will see it as the lame attempt that it really is; trying to make people think their overweight pig is a thoroughbred race horse.
This has disaster written all over it! Once again, proof that Microsoft is being run by the sales/marketing department and not the engineering department. No designer in their right mind would dare to label ANYTHING “Plays For Sure”!!
dude, it plays for sure!
im sold
this one’s for you ‘Yeah, okay’
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/health_care/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/homeland_security/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/environment/
The majority of music consumed is still by P2P networks, so much so it’s not funny. Legal sales are but a tiny percentage compared to P2P.
Most of these files are MP3.
The way Microsoft says “We’ll make our DRM harder and harder to crack” and their draconian ways will ensure again that the only way you can rip a cd is in their copy protected format. With a “phoning home” of a person’s playlist.
P2P people don’t want to hear that, when they see the “Play For Sure” logo they won’t buy it.
Microsoft is famous for altering the gameplan further down the road once they got control.
Apple doesn’t care what you do, even their DRM is weak. That tells you right there they are just interested in selling you a container.
What you put in it is your business.
“Yeah OK” said “Hmmm, yet I can’t name ONE thing Kerry will actually do or how he will accomplish it….. idiot”
go to…
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/compare.html
Right now, I am so mad at what the citizen’s of the US have allowed Bush to do. High Unemployment. High National Debt. Enter into a War without the rest of the world’s support and with no way out. Enter into a War JUST for the oil… no Al Qaeda connection… no WMD… he went in and ONLY protected the Oil Ministry building and left the government buildings, museums (w/ priceless treasures), schools and hospitals UNGUARDED! Having a VP that is an ex-VP of Halliburton, a company making BILLION$ off of our 1000+ dead soldiers. But most of all, to allow him to send his Saudi buddies, the family of Osama to be the FIRST plane to leave after 9/11. To me, that that is giving aid and comfort to the enemy; treasonous, criminal and unquestionably impeachable!
Yea, let’s have 4 more years of this self-centered psycho in OUR White House!! …and to each one of you that refuse to see this truth and SUPPORT such a person, such an administration, you honestly make me want to puke in disgust!
At this point, I wouldn’t care if Kerry’s platform was to sit on the beach and do nothing. It sure beats the Hell out of destroying our nation and getting our soldier’s needlessly killed. They didn’t die for our country, they died for Bush’s oil.
ANYBODY BUT BUSH!!!!!
OK, I’m PMSin’. You gotta problem with that?!!
Today, Yassar Arafat announced his hope that Kerry would win. Last week, the ex-leader of Malaysia announced his support. (Remember his last public speech at the SEA Summit… declaring that Jews are behind all of the troubles in the world?)
VOTE KERRY – 10 out of 10 Muslim Terrorists Agree!
it’s funny that.. we read stuff by thurrott but in the real world.. the iPod is not some player that competes against all these other guys.. the iPod IS the market. All the other guys are chasing after the iPod.
So it’s ironic, when one store with a 70%+ share is going to be ‘perceived’ as out of the looop. Of course, this is what MS hopes.. until a real iPod-killer comes along.
Of course.. remember when MS pulled IE? What did they say? We can’t compete with Apple because they have access to the OS (ironic as hell). Well, guess what.. no one can compete with the iTMS experience because Apple has access to the best store, the best player and the dominant (drm’d) format.
To all the iPod competitors, your scrollwheel workarounds are annoying and obvious. Cut a deal with Apple and get on board this new platform.
Aryugaetu — I’m with you. The bullsh*t has to stop! I cannot understand how many people in this country can stand by and let this administration destroy this country in so many ways. I don’t see what the appeal is to keep Bush in office. Another four years of the same will put this country in a serious world of hurt.
They also have the new campaign….”InfectedForSure”
Regardless of the politics, I do find it very funny that Bush is playing up the 9/11 thing so much, calling Kerry the 9/10 candidate, not tough on terrorism etc. Erm, who’s watch was 9/11 on again ?
It’s very likely true that 9/11 would have happened regardless of who was president, elected or otherwise, but Bush has definitely made things worse. I don’t know how well things are being reported in the US, but it appears from the outside as though terror and the propagation of fear by the Bush camp is pretty much the only message that getting aired.
It’s a shame there are two bad candidates. Bush cares about nothing but himself, and Kerry is a little of the supermarionettes about him (as in wooden rather than being a puppet).
Good luck to the US, You’re going to need it whoever wins. I’ve got my fingers crossed for Kerry simply because he is not Bush. The US needs Bush out bad enough, but the world need him out even more.
“Good luck to the US, You’re going to need it whoever wins. I’ve got my fingers crossed for Kerry simply because he is not Bush. The US needs Bush out bad enough, but the world need him out even more.”
from an American living in Canada – I whole heartedly agree. It has become very awkward to be an American out of my country. I want to be proud again, really.
(yeah, we know this is off topic.)
I think it wouldn’t hurt if Apple included the Dolby logo when advertising the iTunes music store. Everyone knows Dolby but few seem to realize that they are behind the AAC format. Something like a Powered by Dolby AAC or something along those lines would help people to realize the technology behind the music format that Apple is using.
Aryugaetu I to agree with you, the ironic thing is gas prices have taken a turn up in a season that they are to be going down. It’s $1.93 a gallon in my neck of the woods, yeah I said it a $1.93, what is up with that… Someone, somewhere is making a killing by raping the American people. The gas price alone is enough to vote that Bitc…I mean Bush out
good point eon, AAC is mostly (entirely?) due to the efforts of Dolby, a recognized leader in things dealing with sound. Anyone say 5.1 Channel Surround Sound?
declaring that Jews are behind all of the troubles in the world?
Not all the troubles, but slowly stealing Palestine with US support for sure.
Plays for sure ?
Is that like Intel inside ?
I thought Apple was already isolated.
Commercial opens to Windows PC user downloading music from Windows Media Player Store (WiMPS for short) and then tries to transfer it to his iPod. Music doesn’t play. Calls M$ tech support and is told the “Plays for Sure” doesn’t play on his iPod.
Transition
Same user downloads same song on iTunes for Windows and it syncs right onto his iPod.
Title Over scene:
Plays for Sure with a circle & slash through it.
Enough Said.
I’m probably not voting for him, but you intolerant Bush haters are as typical as those you despise. “The world needs Bush out?” The U.S. is responsible for the situation in Iraq – fine, but how about the Sudan – 60-80 thousand dead. Where is the world? Where is the UN? North Korea? Iran? Is the world simply waiting for the U.S. to take care of these situations? I know, I know, we need more of those fine 1990’s style negotiations. Great.
Perhaps we should have put the Saudi Bin Laden family in jail after 911. Would that have worked for you? Pause the Michael Moore cassette for a moment.
And spare me about the jobs. Sigh. The last time the government created jobs was when it federalized baggage screeners. Unfortunately, the big two candidates do appear quite skilled at spending money.
Kerry’s nastiness in recent days in regard to the draft and social security has been shameful. Let’s see, we’ll increase SS payments, provide healthcare/drugs, raise the minimum wage and protect the jobs of those making vacuum tube radios. And we’ll pay for it by rolling back 500 billion in tax cuts? I suppose returning to a level of taxation that once existed is now a roll back. I love it! A roll back. Ha Ha. I’m no snake oil salesman, but this doesn’t add up. Make me feel all warm and fuzzy – yes. Add up – no. I was impressed with his presentation during the debates, but the only way he’s going to pay for all his promises in to start printing money at his house(s). Perhaps that’s his jobs program.
Oh what happened to the Democrat party of JFK.
What’s the next gripe? Kyoto? Clinton couldn’t make that happen but oh boy, that dastardly Bush. Check out how Europe is doing with the protocol.
Stop the freaking politics in MDN forums that have NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS!!!!!!!
F$%K politics… they divide our Mac community… not bring it together. So, SHUT THE HELL UP about Bush and Kerry…. BITCH ABOUT MICROSOFT! Something we ALL can agree on!
The Dude abides.
M$ = GHETTO
From: Billy B to the G
To: The “public” (aka “them”, “they”, and “suckers”)
People, people. PlaysForSure has a L O G O. The people like logos. All they can understand are logos.
(A logo in your face all holiday season + you’ve already surrendered to MS) = My market share in media
Thank you Apple for creating a computing platform where graphic design tools could flourish. Now I have the tools to crank out market share (logos) in any market I feel remotely interested in (markets I don’t have a disgusting amount of control over).
Oh, and sorry about your iMusic thingy… Enjoy the ride down.
this is the only thing political i’ll ever post here but…
kerry believes that killing a baby is okay so i dont care how bush is he’s better than kerry. kerry flip flops cause he’s not telling the public what he really believes, he’s trying to say what he needs to get elected.
besides, he said that he would be committed to the troops in iraq, even though some months ago he wanted to pull out immediatly. then being one of FOUR congressmen to vote to send the troops to war and not vote to fund the occupation.
and believing abortion is a choice, that’s just wrong. having a child accidentally is your fault, being a rape victim is a hardship in life. liberals dont understand life because they think that it’s right to make it a walk in the park and eliminate every problem by going as far as killing their own child. would you kill somebody just because you had to face a hardship? i know i wouldnt. how would you feel if you missed life just because your mother didn’t want you? you wouldn’t.
it’s just a step back in society
george bush liberated millions of people using a professional, paid, and willing millitary force of adults that was perfectly aware of the consequences of war, and perfectly aware of what they were fighting for.
THEY ARE MEN AND WOMEN PROUD OF BEING AN AMERICAN. THEY ARE PROUD TO DIE SO THAT OTHERS CAN HAVE WHAT THEY DO IN AMERICA. MY FATHER IS AN IMMIGRANT WHO WAS IN GREECE DURING THE GERMAN OCCUPATION OF HIS COUNTRY, AND HE KNOWS HOW PRIVILLAGED WE ARE TO LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
John Kerry is not proud of his country. John Kerry does not want to help people. John Kerry does not care about our security. John Kerry is just not in touch with anybody.
Bush and Kerry both have their flaws. We aren’t screwed. There have been many times in our history where we have had many so so presidents, and bad presidents. All the ones that you don’t remember from History class.
Never forget to be proud of your country. The people make our nation, not our president. Whether you like him or not, you are still an American. It’s not our fault we are a superpower, and there’s nothing wrong with it. As long as we don’t forget our values. We are the most decent superpower in history, much better than the romans, napoleon’s france, USSR, just to name a few. we are really the only superpower to ever really attempt to create peace and treat other nations decently.
“PlaysForSure” sounds so sarcastic.
It sounds more like “It plays, for sure, really, uh huh, okay, yeah right, whatever”.
I like the statement that all Apple needs is their logo. The rest speaks for itself.
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Alex, you are a single issue voter (abortion). As such you empower evils far greater than you might imagine. You’re desperate longing to simplify the world into black and white issues turns you into a battery pack for the greedy and self righteous. All they have to do is promise this one thing, and then they can do anything else they want. Would you vote for Hitler if he was pro-life?
“kerry believes that killing a baby is okay so i dont care how bush is he’s better than kerry”
Yes you would. You should be ashamed of this attitude.
Anyway, back to the reason I made my political remark to begin with. George Bush has billboards in my state that read: “A Nation Secure – Bush/Cheney”. What does this imply? Why it implies that if you vote for Kerry you are going to be less safe. That is exactly the kind of advertising that MS does “plays for sure” and their ads against Linux. The other billboard Buah has says “It’s YOUR money”. What does this mean? If I elect Kerry he’ll take my money away? This is rediculous, and it’s meant to spread fear and uncertainty to get votes. It’s just one more example of how Bush rules the people of this great nation, and it’s disgusting…
“provided a route into 30 online music stores around the world through integration with Windows Media Player 10, as well as launching its own MSN Music Store.”
All adding up to 30 percent of the download market.
“The plan seems to be that some companies can build online music stores, others can build devices, and Microsoft will make it all come together because it all uses standard software in the middle.”
For who?
G-Spank, you complain about Alex being a “single issue voter” but his vote quite neatly cancels yours.
Nice, huh?