“President George W. Bush said the government must encourage innovation to keep the economy strong as his Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry, called for incentives to help spur high-technology investments,” Bloomberg reports.
“Bush, 57, and Kerry, 60, struck the same themes at events at opposite ends of the U.S. in which they highlighted proposals for encouraging development of new technologies and spreading broadband Internet access as a way to add jobs in the future and cut costs for both the government and families,” Bloomberg reports.
“‘Our economy is strong today,’ Bush said after he took part in demonstrations of broadband and wireless technologies at the Commerce Department in Washington. ‘The fundamental question is, What are we going to do to make sure we stay strong?’ At San Jose State University in California, Kerry said the government can help ‘create a business environment that will strengthen the American economy and fuel the creation of high technology jobs,'” Bloomberg reports.
“Surveys by the Pew Research Center, the Gallup Organization and other pollsters show the economy is the top single issue for voters less than five months before the election. U.S. companies have added 1.2 million jobs this year, though the nation still has a net loss of about 1.2 million positions since Bush took office and the economy fell into a recession,” Bloomberg reports. “Bush has set a goal of creating universal, affordable high- speed Internet service in three years and electronic access to medical records. That, Bush said, would cut medical costs and help small businesses. He called on Congress to reinstate a ban on state taxes on Internet access.”
“‘We’ve got to make sure broadband access is affordable,” Bush said. ‘If the goal is to spread broadband it doesn’t make sense to tax it.’ Bush’s budget proposal for the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1 would include $2 billion in research funding for the broadband initiative. His overall budget would put federal technology research and development funding at $132 billion, compared with $91 billion in the 2001 fiscal year, according to the White House,” Bloomberg reports.
Full article here.
well are vice president said the f-word today
First post!
Local Yankee News
Who cares!!!!!!!!
As my Grandfather used to say during the war (WW2)
Their over-sexed, overpaid & over here.
Everyone be forewarned: if you say anything negative about President Bush you will be seen as “helping the Terrorists” and will sicken the extreme conservatives to the point of expletives. Whatever you do, please do NOT say anything that might be considered unpatriotic, even if you have facts to base your statements on. For example, do not say that Bush is bad for the environment, even though he has repealed legislation that was enacted to make industry buy newer and less poluting equipment last year. The facts don’t matter in this case. If you find this to be contradictory to free speach and patriotism in general, take a deep breath and repeat this Mantra:
“Islam is to blame for everything. Islam is to blame for everything. Islam is to blame for everything.”
G-Spank:
Are you for real.
Can’t say anything about your “illustrious” leader then you talk about your so-called free speech.
As for the Islam comment: very 12th century.
We can’t complete our psychological profile project until every citizen and illegal has broadband – or at least a g-mail account!
Bush said the government must encourage innovation?
By permitting M$ to continue business as usual?
Innovation like: game consoles; media formats; internet browsers; word processors?
Funny money, like water, tends to flow downhill to the lowest point. And fountain out of the mouths of politicians. Sure let’s spread broadband; it’s cheap education and medication, and yields good campaign funds. Just make sure it’s not at the expense of our WMD industry.
are you under the impression that Bush is supporting M$? Because I most certainly don’t perceive that at all.
Bush took part in recognizing specific highly innovative technologies (broadband internet and wireless), which were never specific to M$. In fact, wireless was originally specific to macs.
Meanwhile, Kerry promoted ‘technology’ in general at San Jose State University, which I KNOW to be a bastion of M$ products and software.
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— believe me (I go there
Sara G-Spank’s comment was sarcasm.
ABB 2004 (Anybody But Bush)
I love being a European
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Thanx Jack A.
Already had figured that out but had already posted.
Apologies to G-Spank.
And Dave H: If I wasn’t an Aussie I’d be more than happy to be European like you.
Don’t care about local news from USA except if Bush falls off his Segway, but then if he fell on his head it wouldn’t do any damage at all.
(No sense no feeling)
Off Topic
Dave H: I see Beckham made same mistake as last time.
Sara, Beckham hasn’t been the same player since his move to Real Madrid. I don’t think that crappy penalty spot helped either. I’m feeling fine about the whole thing this morning, as I always expect England to go out of every tournament on penalties. It would be a pleasant surprise if they didn’t occasionally and actually won something, but at least I don’t get all heartbroken when they don’t raise the trophy. Expecting the football team to win is sort of like expecting Tim Henman to win Wimbledon, you know it’s possible, but it relies on luck rather than being the best, so it’s incredibly unlikely.
And at least the Germans left the tournament before we did. So it’s not all bad
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BTW, are you a London based Aussie? I’m working with three Aussies and a Kiwi at the moment, so I’m feeling a bit outnumbered.
Sara, you are an Aussie? You will like this then. I am an American but can still laugh at myself.
http://abc.net.au/cnnnn/video/ep07_stupidyankees.ram
Dave H:
Sorry still in Oz. But thinking of working in England next year when work commitments here finish. Have travelled a bit but never to Europe. Must be fun/torture at work for you. Hope you like their sense of humour. You guys still won the Rugby so don’t feel bad about the Soccer or Tennis.
Jack A: very funny (OMG how dumb) but unfortunately you can find people like that in any country. Yes even here.
Jack A: have you read the updates that scroll across the screen, funnier than the interviews.
Bill Gates and M$ did everything possible to stall the outcome of the DOJ case against them, hoping that Bush would be president, knowing that his administration would “go easy” on big business. It’s a travesty. Had Gore won (i.e. gotten his votes to count), then it would have a been a much different story for M$.
bush sucks
BTW, all americans are that stupid, trulee, we r all dumnb as rocks and as funny as that is, it’ just a rip off of Leno who seems to find stupid residents and touritst in Hollywood all of the time.
I would be interested to see the cutting room floor, I mean how much fun would it be to watcht he people who got it right.
Oh yeah, one of the best presentation was the interview with the players from the college football national championship. Outside of a big dumb looking Lineman who knew the answer to every question, the other guys could barely figure out their own names.
Sara (although you’ll be in bed by now)
Yep, there’s always the rugby team, although that pasting we took off the All Blacks was painful to watch 🙁
What about the 400,000 US homes that still have no electricity or running water?
Dang! Sticking to principles has its price. NO REAL crap on my comp; never was any; never will be.
spelling, grammar–you name it: The first couple posts demonstrate bad american english.
Here we go again. Liberals and foreigners name calling and wishing ill harm to the US president. You people are sick. Sara why don’t you go for a swim off the great barrier reef around feeding time you slut!!!!! The world and this site would be better off!
Won’t get into the political arguments today. It’s Friday and I’m ready for a break. I will say that, with taxes & other costs, my cable modem costs me about $46 US per month. That’s really quite high, IMHO. Once infrastructure is in (which it has been for years), this cost should be about $20. This is espeically true since my ISP is using the infrastructure that was built in large part by governmental funding.
those 400,000 homes should start working harder instead of waiting around for hand outs. welfare breeds more welfare. why work when you sit around all day, do drugs, rob stores and people, and take advantage of the hard working in our society? just vote in a democrat for more free treats. they’ll just raise the taxes of the hard working to pay for it.
Vlad:
I’ve looked through all of this thread and I can’t see anyone ‘wishing ill harm’ to the man who claims to be US President. Although Sara does say she’d watch the news if it had GWB falling off another Segway, she doesn’t say she’d actually run down the batteries to make it happen.
I’ve got to hand it to Republicans: always wanting civility, but always the first ones to drag the conversation down. Still, with a Vice-President who’s willing to abuse his opponents, is this really a surprise?
I await the cultured and informed responses of Jay and his hordes of rednecks.
macaddict2 has sex with farm animals!
mthfker,
Let me start off with up yours tool! All previous political MDN stories have scores of liberal, left wing, nut cases wishing all kinds of bad things against George Bush, US President. You know it. I’m not going to go back and prove it to you, you know where to go. You liberals hate the fact that Bush is doing an excellent job. He confronting these disgusting sub human low life terrorist slime on their land. Their coming after the US and Europe and everywhere that’s not like them no matter what we do. We have to wipe them out at all costs. Their own so called moderate population won’t do it. So we’ll do it for them. Instead of bashing Bush and Republicans, you tools should be bashing the low life terrorists and all of their atrocities. What about the torturing, killing, maming, and worse that Saddam personally did daily. You left wing nuts never, ever, bother to talk about that. The world will be a better place unfortunately it will take some ugly moments like now to get there. Don’t talk about the corrupt UN either. They are a joke just like you!
Chandler:
What unbelieveable arrogance – how do you know that these people don’t work hard in their own lives? If you live in a depressed part of West Virginia, Arkansas, or Tennessee, I don’t think ‘working harder’ is going to make the local electricity generator or water company pay for the pipes and the electricity cables.
You’re a demonstration of the kind of ‘me first’ social conservativism that ruined my country (the UK) in the Eighties. Ugly, greedy, and self-centred – your theory is that if the parents can’t afford to pay for electricity and water, the kids deserve to be cold, unlit and at risk from infection.
Sorry, have to go now – you’ve made my skin crawl.
I actually read the article. Kerry has some very good ideas for accomplishing the stated goal. Bush’s idea sounds wasteful. Hopefully when Bush wins he will remember the Kerry ideas.
Jack A, silly clip, obviously edited to highlight unrelated answers to the questions, a la Mike Moore. Have a Kirin and try again, you can do better.
Anyone catch a glimpse of Fahrenheit 911?
And here comes the rabid rantings of Jay Rice, the unacceptable face of Republicanism with the priceless logic�
“If you say one word against GWB, you obviously love terrorists”
“Republicans love free speech and democracy – unless you’re saying something about GWB or any other ranking member of the Establishment, in which case we reserve the right to abuse you”
“We’re at war and we should all be behind our forces; GWB is commander-in-chief and is therefore a soldier; therefore you can’t say anything bad about GWB”
I actually admire Jay. After all, it’s a brave decision to try and live a normal life in society when you’ve obviously suffered such horrendous brain damage.
KERRY SUCKS.
The Less is More Paradox
The speed of enlightenment is directly proportional to the subject’s level of intelligence.
Enlightenment: awareness, broad-mindedness, civilization, comprehension, cultivation, culture, edification, education, information, insight, instruction, knowledge, learning, literacy, open-mindedness, refinement, sophistication, teaching, understanding, wisdom
Unenlightenment: self-awareness of enlightenment
mtherfker, I don’t admire you. I love how you make up your own quotes that you say I said. Like you copied and pasted them from other posts you little pussy. Why don’t you hop on a plane and go try and reason with these lunatics, for all I know you’ve got a mask over your head and are one them typing your ridiculous posts. you just don’t get it. You’ve obviously been picked on in your life you little pencil necked geek.
how do you know these people are hard working. where I live I see perfectly healthy individuals hanging out in the park, others dealing drugs, others running around with guns, others doing drugs, all while living in the projects on welfare. Every American worker I’ve ever had work for me in my construction company has faked an injury two weeks into employment and then collected unemployment. While nothing was really wrong with them. Working for cash doing heavy lifting for someone else. We caught a good number of them with private detectives. The insurance companies have caught others. Then theres the brazilian that hurts himself playing soccer the night before forces himself not to limp into the office in the morning, gets out on the job sight and claims he hurt himself on the job so he can fraudulently collect workman’s compensation and cost his employer hundreds of thousands of dollars in insurance costs. this crap happens daily. All the low lifes that get away with it vote democrat so they will be even more unfairly protected. It has swayed way to far away from small business and employers to the employees side. The employer doesn’t have a chance. Low life left wingers like you make this happen. No body forced anyone to live in Arkansas. And if they are going to live there maybe they should use their brains and come up with a way to support themselves instead of looking for handouts from every liberal!!!!!!
It seems like the political conversations always turn to name calling. I’d guess a lot of folks who post here must work on Capital Hill? Stick to the contents of the article and you’ll not only demonstrate your ability to act in a civil manner, you’ll demonstrate that you’re smart enough to read.
less is less,
you are a pathetic little nerd!
Joe McConnel, you don’t think that subsidizing digital television is wasteful?
Dubya is my love-daddy. We sometimes share the same pillow case at the KKK rallys. The only difference is that Dubya had a partial lobotomy and I had the full deal.
Later, someone is going to post using my name, Jay Rice, and say that this is not from me. Don’t believe him. You’ve been forewarned.
yes, tread, but I like the capital gains break and the idea of reclaiming the bandwidth for public use and selling it, as it should have been originally.
Chandler: And how do you know that they’re not in the context of their own lives. I’m not saying that there is no such thing as a freeloader, merely that it doesn’t help the argument when you equate being poor with being lazy.
If you’re at the other end of the spectrum, you could use the example of Kenneth Lay or his ilk to state “Rich = Greedy and Unprincipled”, but life isn’t that simple either, because there are thousands of business owners and managers who would never dream of bilking their employees out of billions of dollars.
Republicanism (or social conservativism) should never equate the need to build an equitable society with some people’s desire for a free lunch, any more than Democratic (socially liberal) politics should equate the need to build a progressive society with the desire to supress the aspirations of entrepreneurs that build a successful economy.
Joe, I don’t think those clips were edited with people’s answered put to different questions. I think Americans are just that stupid.
As to your Michael Moore comment, you say that because you don’t like what he says, not because you have info that he does that. He does not.
My favorite is a clip of Bush addressing his audience. “I’m here with the haves and the have-mores, or what I like to call my base.” That says it all right there. Any of you that make less than $1million per year and are supporting Bush are the biggest dupes of all.
Jay, don’t be such a pussy: you may not have said those exact words, but you have expressed those sentiments, and everyone here knows it.
By the way, nice job on the grammar and spelling – those therapy classes are really working out for you!
MCCASSHOLE,
I am NOT gay, and you are just a punk! I don’t have dreams about our soldiers taking off their clothes, and on top of that, you are a cocksucker! Go eat yourself you liberal homo…
my fast response to you and grammar are a result of exactly how much I give a sht about you or crazy thoughts. Mac Manager you are a sick individual! Go fk yourself you M Moore wanabe. Your’ grammar and spelling has not always been perfect in all of your posts either pussy boy.
Mac Manager, your opinion might also affect what you deem the truth. It is obvious to me that some of the clips responses could be to completely different questions, and, since the point of the clip is served by that, probably are.
Plenty of Americans are dumb as a box of rocks. Being human, they share that with every other country’s citizens.
One example of Mike Moore’s technique. In Bowling FC, at the end of the interview with Heston, there is obviously mega editing, with numerous camera angles pieced together to simulate realtime, with no cameras visible in the backround. It’s a staged effect, not a documentary. Moore doesn’t bother me because he isn’t a factor in swaying public opinion. The great undecided group that actually elects presidents generally are influenced by facts and personal economics, not by glitzy claptrap from either side.
I loved Canadian Bacon btw, one of the funniest movies ever. I think Mike decided to save all that money spent on expensive actors when he got onto his “documentary” kick. I will see 911 as soon as it shows up on Kazaa, which should be by the end of the weekend.
poor dimented liberal souls!
speaking of weekends, this one just started. Try to have a good one. Try reeeeeeealy hard.
But Jay, I never said anything about you being gay.
And if you don’t care about me or ‘crazy thoughts’, why do you get so uptight and start calling everybody a ‘faggot’ or a ‘pencil-necked geek’ or ‘pussy boy’.
I think you secretly love me and you’re just frightened to admit it – but sadly for you, I’m engaged in a menage a trois with Susan Sarandon and Cameron Diaz so it’s unlikely that I’m going to acquiesce to your advances.
Sorry – but I’m sure you’ll find someone of your own soon enough.
For the last time, everyone, I AM NOT GAY! I fucking eat homo’s for breakfast! Fags should be shot anyway, assholes.
homosexuals are the devils work! they scare the Jesus right out of me!!!!
granny, right on, you know that I’m not gay right?
seriously granny, I’m not gay. I mean it.
seriously.
[are you under the impression that Bush is supporting M$?]
I’m under the impression that Bush couldn’t help but see the magnitude of M$’s proven guilt, and ‘he’ just let them ‘off the hook’. (Flaccid punishment, left them all their ‘ill-gotten gains’, watched as M$ continued the offending behavior.) Bush certainly supports the business ‘ethics’ of a company such as M$.
[bush+bill, said: Bill Gates and M$ did everything possible to stall the outcome of the DOJ case against them, hoping that Bush would be president, knowing that his administration would “go easy” on big business.]
Many people see this. You don’t. (can’t/won’t)
Many people, myself included – see how letting a twice convicted ILLEGAL monopoly ‘off the hook’, only stifles true innovation. The money ‘dries up’ because no one is willing to ‘innovate’ for fear of the EVENTUALITY of M$ taking – or buying their ideas (at bargain basement prices) in the near future.
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Jay’s gay? But, I just saw him last week.
sex should only be done by a male and female who love each other like Jesus loves his father. Even then, it is sinful. Personally, I am not taking any chances…
Yep, I have plenty of spelling and grammatical errors. Jay, since you are so good at going back and finding old posts, why don’t you go back and show me an example. I’d love it. Be sure to include dates & times so that I can go back and look. Meantime, I can simply look at your postings above to find examples of your lovely spelling.
BTW, the following three words are homonyms: there, their, they’re. Please learn the difference. Most of us learned the difference in the third grade, so maybe you’ll get to that next year.
Hitchens on Moore: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
Strange that a guy who looks like a weasely tub of lard actually is one.
that was a good read, thanks for the link mark G. I think that their are points on both sides, however. Certainly many people are scared of Farenheit 9-11, as can be seen by the Republicans trying to have the film banned. If you’re the kind of person that is desperately hoping for someone to tell you that the film is 100% Bullshit, then you know already that you have problems.
What is it with Republicans trying to tell everyone what they can and cannot do or see when really its none of their business, anyway? And then they go and say how proud they are of a “free” society…
Mark G. was so polite in providing us to a link for a review of Farenheit 9/11 from Slate. Slate, of all places. What a hole, smelling like old Republicans who somehow believe they are better than the rest. It doesn’t give the movie the time of day. Hopefully Americans will go see it for themselves and not believe the crap printed in Slate. Slate is not worth the paper it is printed on. Hey, it’s not printed on paper. Exactly.
anyway, here are some reviews. I especially think the review from FOX of all places says something. I am planning on seeing the film this weekend and making my own mind up…
“As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, “F9/11″ — as we saw last night — is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty — and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice.”
— Roger Friedman, FOX NEWS
“Among the movies everyone should see this year–whatever your film taste or your political bent–Michael Moore’s incendiary documentary ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ heads the list. ‘Fahrenheit’ may provoke, delight or divide its audience. But no one will react indifferently to this shocking, sad and funny look at the Bush administration’s handling of terrorism and the Iraqi war.”
— Michael Wilmington, CHICAGO TRIBUNE
“[A]n explosive and heart wrenching piece of cinema . . .”
— Mark Salisbury, PREMIERE MAGAZINE
“It is worth seeing, debating and thinking about, regardless of your political allegiances.”
— A.O. Scott, THE NEW YORK TIMES
Mark G:
OK, I’ll admit that Michael Moore can be heavy handed in making his point if you’ll admit that Iraq – the welcome removal of Saddam notwithstanding – was a diversion from the real war on terror, and that a willingness to rely on slanted intelligence has put American lives in danger unnecessarily both in Iraq and in the USA.
American diplomats and miltary veterans are on record as saying that the Iraqi adventure was a mistake and has cost credibility in the outside world.
Saddam Hussein is a dangerous madman, but he was contained and the Al-Qua’ida activity in Iraq was confined to the northern part of the country largely controlled by Kurdish separatists. The coalition’s activity in Iraq effectively allowed Al-Qua’ida operatives to infiltrate the entire country and has probably resulted in a wider dispersal of spurious militant Islamic propaganda than would have been the case otherwise.
And as if that wasn’t bad enough, there is more Al-Qua’ida activity in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan than there was in Iraq – and they both have ally status.
To sum up: going after Al-Qua’ida in Afghanistan (or wherever) = principled (supported by the world) and a clever usage of resources.
Being marooned in nation-building in Iraq for two years to satisfy the ambitions of Shi’ite Moslems = misguided (no WMD, no substantive active link to AQ), expensive (even with the economic payback to Halliburton, Bechtel, GE, etc) and strategically futile (recruits more terrorists than it destroys).
So which of us really supports terrorists? The people who think that AQ was and continues to be a mobile and agile threat and support the deployment of forces on a similarly agile basis, or the people who want 120,000 American troops stuck in a fucking hellhole where every sonofabitch wants to shoot at them.
And in the meantime, a committed terrorist can cross the Rio Grande in a small boat anywhere along the Texas border because the patrols are so under-resourced�
this goes so far beyond liberal vs. conservative or republican vs. democrat. when we begin to feel our votes aren’t being counted or that we’ll always be at war they have already won the first battle – they being our most dangerous domestic enemy, transnational right- wing neoconservatives…
you’re welcome g spank. I think the question about banning the advertising for 911 after july 31 because it is a political ad is interesting. I doubt that it will happen. I haven’t heard of anyone seriously wanting to ban the movie itself.
Mac manager, you seem to weigh the source more than the article. Hitchens writes for many rags. You, having made your mind up, don’t need to read anything at all. The sign of a small mind, I would say, or, as they say in less polite company, (like at MDN), a moron.
Whatever your thoughts on Michael Moore, you can’t deny that Harvey Weinstein is a financial genius for buying the film off Disney and distributing it himself. Harvey’s also a big Mac user, although I think he could afford to replace that battered old PowerBook G3 he carries around with him. Joe McConnel would say he doesn’t because he’s a financial genius and Macs are just too expensive
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And as for George Bush, he should give up politics and take up the comedy circuit. He might make even more money than that arms dealing Al-Saud loving father of his.
Mccfr, well put. I disagree with some of your points, think that some of your assertions arent proven, and think that the war, tho botched in some ways, is still better than the alternative.
I would be as uncomfortable with Moore on my side as I am with the hypocritical blowhard Limbaugh. Probably more so since Rush at least lost some weight.
But, like I said, nicely put and something for the less articulate to aspire to.
Bush-Cheney and the Halliburtonasation of the world…Bush is the dark age of foreign policy. Hopefully Kerry will be USA’s next president.
whoa, wait a mintue, is this an actual decent conversation about current events on MDN? Neat.
Does wearing a pink teddy under your clothes mean you’re gay? Um… I might be gay.
I can understand the want for us to get rid of Saddam and possibly get a good democracy started in the Middle East. It’s a bold plan, and a very risky one. I do have a major problem with how we went about it, and I think that most people really should have problems with how we went about it. Perhaps that was the only way to risk such a plan however. It certainly was quite a wager, I’ll give Bush that. Personally, I’ma little more conservative (how ironic) betting man.
I’m more for the “other plan” which is to focus on Al Queda specifically, and garner world support (which we had in surplus after 9-11), increase our spending and focus on intelligence, etc. and put a lot more focus into shoring up our borders. Afghanistan was a proper target in this plan, Iraq was not. But that’s just my 2 cents…
It’s funny how when you look at these things up close, the two sides (liberals & conservatives) aren’t really all that differrent from each other – they both want to achieve similar goals, but have different plans on achieving those goals. Yet the polorization is extreme between the two! That is strange to me.
I just went into the bathroom and put lipstick and mascara on. I am pretty sure now I’m gay. I wish I had breasts.
Neoconservatives are done, stick a fork in them. They’re vampires who need wooden stakes driven through their hearts so that the current disastrous policies never happen again.
And to anyone who thinks that Bush is a leader, this from Sen. Joseph Biden:
About six months ago, the president said to me, “Well, at least I make strong decisions. I lead.” I said, “Mr. President, look behind you. Leaders have followers. No one’s following. Nobody.”
<font size=+4>Can we now stop it with the “gay is an insult” crap?</font>
Yep, Mark G. resorts to the tactic of using the “m” word – moron, when he doesn’t agree with my opinion. FYI Mark G., I read the article (the entire article) and found that it is basically along the political lines of Slate. I didn’t paint the author with a generic brush. However, if he writes highly one-sided articles like that, and Slate publishes them, that pretty much sums it up.
I’ll see the movie for myself, thank you. Bet you won’t.
you got it right mac man. Moronic. “What a hole, smelling like old Republicans who somehow believe they are better than the rest”. Attacking the source instead of the writing, which, btw, seemed to be a quite complete review of the film from someone who HAS seen it.
Personally, I read all sorts of opinions from all sorts of angles. Sometimes it is hard to justify my positions when I read an opposing viewpoint; sometimes I have to modify my opinions because of that. You don’t, because you know just what to read to keep your outlook unchallanged and pure. There is plenty out there to support your narrow view of the world, and it is much easier to not stray, I know. Moron might not be the right word, simpleton is closer. Both sides of the political spectrum have them, and you are a completely average example.
I am downloading something right now that is supposedly 911.
It might be something else renamed by a jerk. I will see it eventually. For FREE. I line the pockets of self interested manipulators every day, but Mike Moore wont be one of them.
I am “Finnish” with you!! Hahahahaha………
You guys are the cancer of the civilized world. You’re not worth the time to reason with anymore. You should stop using Macs and become PC freeks because thats what you all sound like. Stop crying over spilled milk, we’re at war and war isn’t easy so buck up and get in line. The world depends on it.
By the way, Microsoft sucks!
it’s very obvious where the real Jay Rice and granny posts end. you liberals are like a bunch of whining babies. you are so wrong about what’s going on. you attack our president and say nothing of the barbarian terrorist and Saddam actions. you by default support them and fing disgusting for it. Bush will win this election and you fools will have another four years to cry about all of his successes.
You poor, poor, poor, pathetic little left winger, terrorists. Hondo and Bush supporter and for that matter Jay Rice are right on the money. you people support terrorism. you’re a disgrace to the human race.
I knew that scum bag would show up sooner or later. One girly girl from finlame, f off!
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Don’t eat everything that is given to you…americans are easely manipulated by media. Check the rankings for freedom of press and you’ll see USA very low in that list. Media are controled for economic power with interests in policy. Some are controlled by republican and others by democrats. The real pool will be the elections!Hopefully Kerry will be your next president, to world’s good and to your own good. Apple forever!!!
G-Spank:
Your 15:36 post is absolutely on the nose – America has allowed itself (and its allies) to be hoodwinked into a war driven by an agenda defined by ‘neo-conservative’ think-tanks, based on position papers written by strategists who have previously been attached to the Likud administration of Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel.
9/11 was used as a pretext to implement regime change in Iraq, and Chelabi and other elements of the exiled Iraqi opposition supplied spurious manufactured ‘intelligence’ as necessary – to agencies worldwide – to promote WMD and links to AQ and bin Laden as [I]causus belli[/I].
Assuming bin Laden has a sense of humour, he is probably laughing up his voluminous sleeves given that this absurd diversion has allowed him to regroup and recruit whilst tying front-line troops and materiel down in a country where – until this stupidity started – he had no influence.
Truly amazing how politicians with a sense of destiny (on all sides of the political spectrum) can let their electorates down when their egos start winning against rational intelligence.
Steve Jobs=Smart Guy / Jobs will vote for Kerry -> Conclusion -> Smart Guys vote Kerry
Jay Rice=Dummy guy / Bush =very dummy sort of guy / Jay will vote Bush Conclusion – Dummyes support Dummyes
Kerry will not win. You dimented liberals can stop hoping and just forget abou it. The US public is too smart for that. Sure the bottom of the barrell of our society will vote democrat because they are looking for more free hand outs. The vast majority no better and see Mickey Moorse for the lyer he is and Kerry for the loser he is. Bush is kicking ass and saving the world. Like it or not evil left wingers. You can’t stop him or the US from making the planet a much safer place. Why don’t you people ever bash the terrorists or the old Iraqi regime. It’s truly disgusting the statements you lunatics make.
Steve Jobs=Smart Guy / Jobs will vote for Kerry -> Conclusion -> Smart Guys vote Kerry
Jay Rice=Dummy guy / Bush =very dummy sort of guy / Jay will vote Bush Conclusion – Dummyes support Dummyes
Jay Rice = Rod
By the contrary, my main concern is that the US people will be too smartless to vote on Bush again. Bush = Dark age of foreign policy. I hope that you will come here to apologyze when Kerry become President
I’m beginning to agree with Jay. Let’s just fire off nuclear weapons. I’m so depressed at some of the comments above, I think planet Earth would be much better off without human beings. Come on George, you have your finger on the button, what are you waiting for? The button George. The big red round thing with Fire written under it. F-I-R-E. You get it now? George? Fire? Hold on, I’ll get Daddy. As always, he’ll know what to do.
You should go to iraq to confirm your crapy ideas. Bush is a complete accident in international security and US foreign policy. You should complete your basic school and then try to argue with valid ideas, not mindless ones.
Please make sure that bombs only hit USA, after cool american guys leave in advance, and alqaeda training sites. Then the world would be a very nice place to live…
No sides, Of course Dave. Humans are history, as soon as George works out what PUSH means.
(That’s us safe for a while then).
In the US perhaps
nice add Dave lololol
And don’t forget China, that wonderful human-rights friendly Asian democracy where everyone is free.
Why should that be???
You saw this new on CNN?? That’s the US media. This new is getting spreaded in Europe news sites.
You liberals are literally out of control. I have not seen one shred of hard fact to back up any of your arguments. You never chastise the terrorists. You give no credit to any of the good that goes on either. Everything is doom and gloom and not at all believable when it comes from you people. The liberal media is just as bad or worse. You fool no one. Bush is right on the money people.
But if we start to bomb places in the world where human rights are not respected, maybe only greenland would survive
The Halliburtonization of foreign policy
Hey Dave, don’t do that Dave…
define liberal
Weak Joke Warning:-
But if we start to bomb places in the world where human rights are not respected, maybe only greenland would survive
Well, at least that’ll make Ralph Nader happy
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(Told you it was weak)
The opening day of spider-man 2 will usher in a day of worldwide peace, because everyone will be lined up to see a seriously kick ass movie, and be too busy buying popcorn and milk duds to behead or shoot each other! man I can’t wait! doc ock is gonna rule!
lolol. Ok only berlengas would survive lololol
what a bunch of freaking losers you idiots are. you’re so pathetic it’s not even funny. keep sticking up for the terrorists and saddam. you look brilliant when you do that. I can just imagine how freaking wierd you people are and how freaky you must look. your mad at the world. you’ve been picked on you entire lives and don’t have any social skills. you’re the slime of society. just like the terrorists. don’t worry Bush will win and continue to route the terrorists. thank god you people didn’t have any way to vomit out your opinions during WWII or your parents and grandparents all would have been gassed and the world would be eurotrash german.
Did you complete basic School?
Au contraire, Jay, I’m very funny. You’ve hit the nail on the head about how I look though. Talk about pencil-necked geeky queerboy tree-hugger!!!
And I think you mean ROUT. Route (which is pronounced ROOT in proper English) is something completely different.
As for the Germans, David Hasselhoff for one would have been thrilled. Just think of the records he’d sell.
Jay Rice is Bush trying to argue against bashers. That’s why he seems to miss basic school…
Steve Jobs=Smart Guy / Jobs will vote for Kerry -> Conclusion -> Smart Guys vote Kerry
Jay Rice=Dummy guy / Bush =very dummy sort of guy / Jay will vote Bush Conclusion – Dummyes support Dummyes
You can’t be a republican. You are a smart guy….
When he’ll be 16
You know, I have to confess I know what the Berlengas are, but I have no idea where they are located. Shows what happens when Daddy doesn’t buy you into Yale
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leave Jay “Stupid” Rice alone with his nice ideas. Kerry will win to world’s benefict
“Shows what happens when Daddy doesn’t buy you into Yale
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Now that was a bad joke lolololololololol.
you are funny but you can’t beat this guy
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bush is coll. u r not. shut up kerry luver. bus is gonna kick all yur butt and make fun of you four pickin yur noses you suck liberals suck
What came first – the chicken or the egg? The spread of Microchit software, the drop in average American IQs, or the resurgence in born-again Christians? Whatever it is, if you don’t elect leaders of strong intellect then it’s entirely your fault. In fact, it looks like a self-reinforcing loop.
It was the brazen Bush bashing that gave it away, wasn’t it? I’m neither Republican nor Democrat. I really should give my long pencil neck a rest and keep my long mishapen nose out of your elections. But come on, people!!! Arnie as Governor of California I can forgive, but George Bush??? Is this really the best the Republican Party can do? Jefferson and Washington are spinning so hard in their graves it’s causing minor earthquakes in Morocco, and you want to vote him in for another four years?
I blame Aaron Spelling. All that TV pap has rotted a lot of brain.
Lol. That’s funny, except he doesn’t appear to eat it. I suppose that’s what Cheney’s for
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Mandy’s on a roll. Can we divide into groups and do that like “Row, row, row the boat”?
if u vote for kerry u vote for osama and that meens u suck yur liberal jerks all the time. bush will win and he doesn pick his nose yur all jerks. bush will rule!!
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most homosexuals are liberal. it’s a shame you have so much hurt inside that you have to find your sexual pleasures in anohter man Dave H. God will forgive you though. George Bush is winning this war, great for the economy, and the world. Bless his soul! Terrorist are monsters that need to be stopped. We are at war and you liberals should stand behind all of our soldiers. They will make this world better. WE ALL NEED TO BACK THEM!!!
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the war is, in first, good for the economy. YOu should be ashame of what you say…
Damn people, it’s getting late. Time to take the dog out……
man I’d love to kick the crap out of some of you liberal, cry babies. I can guarantee the terrorists would do more than that to you if they got there sleaze ball hands on you freaks.
PUSH. hehe.
Georgie’s brain is constipated. Georgie PUSH.
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bush likes nascar kerry does not! bush wins war krry does not! bush beat osama kerry does not! bush wil win the elecion and kick yur butt! go bush! go bush! don vote for osama vote bush
my oh my
Dave H,
Do you make love to your dog as well as men?
This guy is unreal
at least andrew’s a real man. not like you wormy little girly nerds!
George Bush is much smarter than you foreign name calling hooligans give him credit for. Just watch he’ll make you all eat your grotesque words.
your so confident. I wish to be like you
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There a definate Al Queada and Saddam ties fools. Everyone on the planet thought Saddam had WMDS. Most are in Syria now. We’ll find the remaining ones soon. Down with terrorists and liberal slime!!!!!!!
anyun who do not vote for bush likes osama an bill gates and onion rings. i hate onion rings! its like osama in a ring. i like bush! he is the man he flys his one jet and everytheng i bet he drives nascar on the weekend. vote bush!
You are using windows don’t you??
I’m sure you’ve never picked your nose ahole!
Steve Jobs will vote for Kerry!!!!
Male queers are disgusting life forms. Everything about them is just wrong. No wonder they vote liberal. Everyone looking for a handout votes liberal. Queers hope to get equal rights, no matter what happens they are the dregs of society. Scummy low lives.
My God… did someone hand a bunch of laptops out at a redneck trailer park? I haven’t seen such ignorant, unintelligent, badly spelled tripe in quite a long time. Third-graders have more maturity and ability to reason!
let’s send all of the queers on the planet to the middle east and see if they can solv the problems there. Sthhopit terrorithss, sthhop it.
Are you gay?? Don’t ever have a son because he can become a gay!!!
you liberals are out of control. it’s sort of like the terrorists freaking out about the june 30th deadline. absolutely pathetic.
i love republicans. They are very sad angry guys lololol
Some folks, and I think you know who I mean, are rather highly strung.
Yes. But it would be better id they were strung rather highly.
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Most US citizens are for traditional family values, hard work, and education. Kerry will definately lose this election. The fool doesn’t have a chance in hell. It is a forgone conclusion that Bush will win and save the world form idiots like you slimy liberals.
Why don’t you reason for us? In spanish please
have three sons all married and have lovely families. hard working, well educated, and contribute to society. unlike liberal welfare addicts. sorry to dissapoint flame bait but you’re not their type.
Most US citizens are for traditional family values, hard work, and education and bla bla bla bla bla bla bla and the brave and bla bla bla bla bal bla and the mighty and bla bla bla bla bla, and GOD’s land and bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. That’s why we bring people from other countryes to do the hard jobs for us…
love it. large number of terrorist just blown to pieces my sources tell me. I bet you liberal-terrorists just hate to hear that don’t you?
we bring in people from other countries to do the menial-brain-dead labor. While the well educated run the show. Great try though, not!
another bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. You crap are always the same family values, education, hard work, etc. Hitler had all that attributes too. He loved his father
I know people on the inside and you tree huggers haven’t a clue about what you’re talking about. you have no idea how lucky you are to be protected. The only good thing that would come of Bush not being re-elected (not going to happen) is that you low lifes would get nuked by terrorists in your lame ass countries. keep wishing sht heads.
Hitler and family values. Great analogy you scum bag. Where the hell do you cretans come from? George Bush in 2004!!!!!!!
like Von Braum, Openheimer, almost all adobe and apple development team, Avadis Tevanien, Einstein, etc. Without foreign brains you are nothing…
Mr. Bush is the best thing going in this out of control world. He will win this war. I support our Troops!
we will win this war…like other’s during history
You kill 2 terrorists, 10 will come to substitution. When Bush will understand that fighting terrorism is not a question of how many you kill…How about solve the Israel/Palestine issue for a start?
How many of you rednecks here will be burning crosses in your neighbors’ yards?! The only thing missing from all of this overflowing bigotry is white hoods.
“we bring in people from other countries to do the menial-brain-dead labor. While the well educated run the show. Great try though, not!”
Do i have to say anything more? Stupidity speaks for itself
those people are drops in the bucket yes man. I sense an inferiority complex coming from you. Don’t worry, you’re right, you are pathetic.
“we bring in people from other countries to do the menial-brain-dead labor. While the well educated run the show. Great try though, no
Who will be burning crosses and books?? Are you all republicans like mattew?
don’t be mean to the terrorists. they might get mad and hurt us. i want my mommy. please don’t cut our heads off. we’ll do anything you say.
PUSSIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CALL YOURSELF MEN? MOUSE IS MORE LIKE IT!! REAL MEN KILL TERRORISTS!!!!!!
and i thought that US was a country made by imigrants lololol. You are the best!!! My sense of inferiority is to live in the same world and in the same time with people like you
RE: “Male queers are disgusting life forms. Everything about them is just wrong. No wonder they vote liberal. Everyone looking for a handout votes liberal. Queers hope to get equal rights, no matter what happens they are the dregs of society. Scummy low lives”
All that’s missing is the white hood. Let’s amend the above statement… BIGOTS are low-lifes.
Which one you low life foreigners want to come and cut our lawns?? That’s right all of you! Hhhahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaahaaha!!!!!!
Kerry will win anyway!!!!!
my vagina hasn’t been touched in years, and that’s only because I myself think that it’s a very sinful place, and have forbid anyone to touch it, especially myself. I only love two people, Jesus and GW. They make my nipples hard and I get embarrassed, but they understand.
Hey Europe there’s nothin but queers and steers in your land and I don’t see any horns on you! You freaking queers!!!!!
granny, you are hot – i haven’t ever had a girlfriend, is that ok?
I thought that were americans that went to other’s countries to cut their oil…
because you’re scared little worms. stand up and fight these terrorists you sissies. you can not reason with these nut cases. More of them will come whether we attack them or do nothing. Get that through your girly skulls.
only if you hate fags, Jay, and I know you do. Let us don our KKK masks together, so you cant see my wrinkles…
Jesus and GW don’t match ok
eurotrash scum bags!!!!
Good, and Im glad you know I’m not gay, because I’m not. Seriously granny, I’m not kidding, I’m not gay. Definitely not.
poor little persecuted faggots!
here we go again losers hijacking Jay and granny’s names. pathetic!
you have to convince me better
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Okay! Pahties ovah now, ev’rybody go home!
Gay men are sickening AIDs infested maggots!
what’s eurotrash?
I thought that americans were all ex english, ex irish, ex spanish, ex portuguese, ex euro and african something lolololololol
Jay, if you want to suck my republican, well, it’s ok. We can get together and light some candles and hate together. we’ll blame the liberals, and terrorists, because they’re the same, and then you can stick yours in mine, or the other way around. It’s not gay if you’re a republican.
I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic! I am a pussy! I have no balls! I hate everybody! It’s Pathetic!
Anyone has Apple Remote Desktop 2 Serial Handy?
see, now everybodys hijacking peoples names and its pathetic. I have my thumb up my ass. Whoa! see!!! people are hijacking names! I wouldn’t have said that out loud!…but i do, actually. now that it’s out I can admit that indeed, my thumb is up my ass, and I like it that way.
Good Lord, what a freak show!
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…revolutionary anti-bush kernel lololol
I’m glad you are enjoying this MCCFR, because I know someone like you would see how funny these jokes are.
and for your information, MCCFR, I am not gay. Seriously, I would never turn out that way, despite the dreams I have. I am a republican damnit!
George Bush is a political genius. Just watch cry babies while he saves you asses that aren’t worth saving. The man is a genius.
Whah! I’m not a baby! Whah!
President Kerry helped to solve years of fightings between Israel and Palestine. All world is in peace now. Terrorists are no longer supported by the countries that once hosted them. Terrorism end is near. Thank you President Kerry
Wait a minute, I’m actually for terrorism now. Terrorism is good. Wait Terrorism is bad, no good, Oh crap, I’m confused. I’m glad you’re going to win George. I really don’t want to be president. I’m too scared like all the other liberals.
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The strong free world backs George Bush and the troops!
I’ve been doing a lot of polling for a national magazine and it’s amazing how many people are against Kerry. US citizens are very, I repeat very, pro George Bush. They’re happy with the economy, the way he’s going after terrorists, his backing of alternate fuel sources, ie. hydrogen powered cars, in general people feel safe with Bush. They realize he can’t control everything and a massive terrorist attack could happen any time. But they’d rather have him in charge than any democrat.
my oh my are there some immature liberals on this site.
Everyone I know is pro bush. Very few people really support Kerry. Don’t believe the liberal media.
I’ve been doing a lot of polling for a national magazine and it’s amazing how many people are againstBush. US citizens are very, I repeat very, pro Kerry. They’re not happy with the economy, the way bush is dealing to fight terrorists, the lack of alternate fuel sources, ie. hydrogen powered cars, in general people are not feeling safe with Bush. They realize he can’t control everything and a massive terrorist attack could happen any time. So they’d rather give Kerry a chance.
Everyone inteligent that I know is pro Kerry. Very few people really support Bush. Don’t believe the republican controled media.
According to the most recent poll, nearly half of all Americans, 48 per cent, believe in the Book of Genesis’s version of our origins. The Creationists fervently hope that number may even be rising.
Evolution is “the dumbest and most dangerous idea in the history of humanity”, said Kent Hovind, a vocal enthusiast for the cause who also runs the theme park in Florida. Explaining his Creationist creed, he said: “We think dinosaurs were part of the normal Creation and were just big lizards. Noah took some of them on the Ark, probably babies, when the floods came.
grannny, Jay, rodrigo, hondo, and all these other buttheads collectively have the brain power of a bucket of rocks.
George Bush is the world savior. Too bad most fools don’t know it yet. Reagan saved the planet in the 1980s Bush is doing it now!
LOL, g-spank, mccfr, etc. all have the brain power of a pile of shit!
granny- what say you come over for a little taste from my colostomy bag???? Wink Wink.
LOL, g-spank, mccfr, etc. all have the brain power of a pile of shit!
Oh, you mean the few people here who can form complete, articulate sentences without projectile vomiting at everyone who disagrees with them?
Sheesh.
It’s all a transcription error, he actually said broad band.
sjk,
give me a break. the liberals started bashing bush, Jay Rice, and any one who responded to them all the way down the line. who are you trying to kid?
sorry grandpa I’m happily married!
Oh dear what a mess.
A pathetic mess.
This is just too funny. Just wind them up and watch them go
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Mariano:
In a democracy, you are allowed to hold opinions that are contrary to common wisdom and you are allowed to express those opinions even if – by implication – you are criticising the executive branch of government, or someone else’s government.
That’s called debate, and it is neither treasonous nor corrosive to the common good so long as it is peaceful and does not incite violence.
I’ll admit I don’t like Jay Rice and if I want to show him up for the uneducated, xenophopbic, homophobic ill-informed archetypal redneck that he is, I have the right to provoke him, and he has the right to decline to respond.
I managed to have a civilised debate with Mark G. because he is willing to talk in a measured way that isn’t based on the hysterical recycling of soundbite journalism: we don’t agree with each other, but we respect each other’s right to hold alternative opinions.
It isn’t possible to have that kind of debate with Jay, because the first thing he does is corrupt your user name and then he proceeds to add abuse (“pencil-necked geek”) and threats of violence (offering to kick my ass).
His answer to the world’s problems is ‘nuke the Moslems’, although when you try to challenge that absurd notion by asking if he would have supported the carpet bombing of Michigan following Oklahoma City, he can’t bring himself to address the question.
Equally shameful are the people who fill their posts with chants like ‘Down with Islam’, or ‘USA’, like the war we are all engaged in is some sort of extreme sports. These people are no better than the ill-informed, undereducated sheep who were and are roped in for ‘organised’ demonstrations in pre-war Baghdad, or Tehran.
And all this started from the politics of broadband and internet tax. You can’t argue that broadband gives you a larger picture:
Fahrenheit 911 trailer [broadband/large] or [dialup/small] (QuickTime required), or visit the website.
mccfr,
Debate? You liberals immediately start viciously attacking George Bush. Name-calling, belittling, and no solid facts to back up any of your arguments. Then you wonder why people like Jay Rice get annoyed and push your buttons. You people are the idiots, not Jay. Jay is hilarious in the way he can wind you unfair people up.
I’m really in love with George Bush. I’m hoping he’ll get mad and give me a spanking. I know I twisted all of the facts around and my movie is one huge lie. Who cares, I’m in love. I’m a butt pirate! Queer, Faggot, Homo!!!!! I love farm animals too!
Liberals are a huge drain on society. They take and take and take from the hard working population and then indiscriminately hand out money to anyone with their hand out. There is no screening process to determine if someone really should get a hand out. They promote a broken system. They promote murderers, terrorism, etc. Many studies prove this.
Yeah Mr Pod. How dare stupid liberals want to educate the kids of others? Or make sure everyone has food to eat? How dare they!!??!?! With my taxes too!!!!!
Nuke them all, that’s what I say. And the gays!!!
Gay people are disgusting, dirty, slimey, and smelly. They promote disease and never I repeat never shake hands with a queer. You know where his hand just was!
English, limie, liberals are the worst kind! They have disgusting teeth. They’re inbred. They smell. They eat horrible food. They’re almost always queer and even if they aren’t yet they want to be. The only liberals worse are the frogs and krouts.
lol. This is just too easy 😀
We don’t care about education. We just pretend to care so we can tax hard working citizens even more. Do we ever bother to make sure any of the tax dollars are wisely spent? Of course not. We just tax the hard working population more to make up the enormous waste in government. No government worker can ever get fired. They’re hired for life. It’s another form of welfare. We really love punishing the hard workers and rewarding the lying, cheaters, who fake injuries on the job and improperly collect unemployment benefits. It gives us woodies!
We make sure rapists, murderers, terrorists, and every other form of sleaze get out of their crimes whenever we can. We really don’t care about education. We just like patting ourselves on the back and pretending we are making the world a better place. We know deep down it’s all a sham.
No, no, no,
We are more gay and smell more than limie liberals!! We never wash our hands either!!!!
NINE,
WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS! WE ARE THE BIGGEST FAGGOTS!
You liberals think you have it all figured out. You’re wrong you don’t. If you people had your way we’d all live in a commie sink hole with Arabs attacking us at will. You think you’re educated and enlightened. Hardly, you are far from it. Ignorant in the real way the world works. You are weak, weak, people. Get a grip.
Mariano:
Show me where – in this thread – there is a ‘vicious’ attack on GWB before the Republican intellectuals start with the name calling (Vlad [9:35am 25/06] refers to Sara as a ‘slut’).
Answer with the date/time.
And why do [B]WE[/B] have to come up with [B]MORE[/B] solid facts? The Commission on 9/11 has made its statements (no substantive link to AQ). Gen. Anthony Zinni (GWB’s former Middle East Envoy) has made his statements (a diversion from the war on terror). Over 50 diplomats and military veterans have made their statements (the USA has compromised the war on terror and its standing and credibility in the world community).
Where are the solid facts that your side use to back up your arguments – or are you just willing to believe the word of an Executive branch that has lied on matters of national security (no WMD, no link between Iraq/AQ), finance (medicare costs), science (creating spurious links between abortion and breast cancer) without question?
48% of America that believes that evolution theory is wrong and we should all be taught creationism, and I’m willing to bet it’s the same 48% that believe Iraq was involved in 9/11.
Nein. “Nine” ist ein nummer im English.
mtherfkr,
check your facts dickweed. the 9/11 commission retracted that statement tool.
First Attack on Bush:
>>Yeah, but Kerry doesn’t use a computer, and his staff is all Windows. George Bush uses a Mac.
Yeah, now we know that Macs are foolproof
Oh didn’t read that part thanx vlad. Guess I’m a slut. Never been called that before what a hoot.
Just got home from a saturday nite out & banged every man in sight now I got 10 men at home.
Ohhhhhhhhh their calling me have to go shame you aren’t here vlad.
PS. Dave H, I’m a liberal you can nuke me anytime you want lol
bush sucks by macaddict2 early on doesn’t count, huh? you are pathetic mr. mccfr. Jay’s right the 9/11 commission reversed itself. Check your facts sir.
I love it when you have sex with me mccfr!
[I]Liberals are a huge drain on society. They take and take and take from the hard working population and then indiscriminately hand out money to anyone with their hand out. There is no screening process to determine if someone really should get a hand out. They promote a broken system. They promote murderers, terrorism, etc. Many studies prove this.[/I]
Liberals promote murderers? Who supplied Saddam Hussein with weapons again?
Liberals promote terrorism? Who supplied Osama bin Laden with money, weapons and training again?
[B]They take and take and take from the hard working population and then indiscriminately hand out money to anyone with their hand out. There is no screening process to determine if someone really should get a hand out.[/B] Like Kenneth Lay or Bernie Ebbers took and took from workers across America – shining examples of captains of industry who thought they’d flat out steal the cash without getting the government involved.
Given that even the CIA’s World Factbook states that [I]since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households[/I], your position seems fallacious in the extreme.
Dave H, sorry but Australia beat England in the rugby tonite.
Your going to get it on Monday with your work mates. LOL
Already did Sara. I had to do a migration today, and one of the Aussies was in doing some cabling work. 56-15. Ouch, that hurts!
So ‘Bush sucks’ is a vicious attack?
Calling Bush a fool is a vicious attack?
Wow, you guys really are pussies – if you ever get into a real fight, you’re in trouble. What will I have to do to make you cry? Take your GI Joe dolls from you?
Look at paragraph 4 of page 5 of Staff Statement 15 to the Commission (http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing12/staff_statement_15.pdf), which has not been retracted on the website.
Just because the GOP and Republican apparatchiks have decided to start distancing themselves and discrediting the Commission (probably in advance of a critical report) doesn’t make it a retraction by the Commission, and just because there is ‘wriggle room’ caused by allegations of contact between Al Qua’ida and Iraqi intelligence doesn’t make it true either, especially as Czech intelligence reported (as early as October 2002) that it no longer believed the story that placed Mohammed Atta (a 9/11 hijacker) meeting with Ahmad al-Ani (a Prague-based Iraqi ‘diplomat’) and that those reports were forwarded to Richard Perle around October 19/20, 2002.
Also, can I just point out that if my goat can type it would be more intelligent than Jay Rice – but then, what’s new?
Is there no one here who can make a lucid, eloquent case for the right?
LiM:
My goat?
oh man what a thread this one is. quite funny. My favorite part is when the “conservatives” or “republicans” say that the “liberals” can’t hold a decent conversation or debate. Man oh man, I can’t imagine a more blatantly blind statement than that.
IN FACT, probably around 60% of the so called “liberal” posts are based on facts, and do not contain blatant slander and threats, while around 5% (that would be Mark G) of the “conservative” posters refrain from that.
THE HYPOCRASY IS THICK!
and funny
and sad
Hypocrasy is spelled Hypocrisy. I knew something looked wrong there. Thanks, Sherlock.
I also think that it is hilarious and disgusting that they elected “Jay Rice” as their poster boy. A Troll who patheticly spouts his hatred over and over again is their IDOL! The KKK must get in touch with these guys…and girls (granny)
These are the kind of Americans that support Bush – sick people
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=124E1UBV0REC0CRBAE0CFFA?type=technologyNews&storyID=5520742
Lololololololol. Make me rich to support america lololol. Make the war in iraq to make me rich – Cheney lolololol Make the war in iraq because Cheney told me to do it – Bush lololololol
I think they would fit in the KKK very well. Rampant homophobia, problem solving through violence, blaming all their problems on others (thats a big one right there), and an unwillingness to debate. Oh yeah, I’m sure they all think that God is on their side as well. Get out the white hoodies!!!
“In God we trust” is writen in US money. In Money!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Jesus lived again he would kill himself 5 minutes after his appearence….
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/allpolitics/0406/interactive.iraq.poll/frameset.exclude.html
from CNN – a republican source. Who could imagine??
I tell yah, boy, I had my nephew (or my son � depending on which way you want to skin that particular possum. Still, family is family) read this thread to me, and I want to be really clear that Jay isn’t the kind of squirrel-headed yankee we want in the proud organisation that is the Klan.
Now, where’s my pillowcase�
The US isn’t the only country to have religion on the money. “Dieu et mon droit” is written around a British �1 coin. It’s French for “God and my Birthright”. Apparently the Queen of Australia uses it as a motto.
P.S. Sara: Your countrymen need to take the hint. We keep packing Royals over to you. You’re not supposed to send them back
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Man you liberals are dense. You attack Bush and Republicans at will with zero facts backing you up and then try to say that your posts are factual. You’re as bad as Saddam controlling his media or the Soviet Union. You people are certifiably nuts! You have no clue how lucky you are to have Bush kicking the crap out of terrorists. That Kenneth Lay example was a beauty. For every Kenneth Lay screwing the system there’s millions of low life liberal voters ripping off the system from the opposite end and not getting near the attention for doing while causing more damage to society.
Hey everyone check it out gspank and mccfr are the gimps in this month’s farm animal spread. What the hell are they doing with those pigs??????
and what are those pigs doing to Sara?????
KERRY’S FELON FOLLIES
Turns out that stranger knocking on the door urging you to register to vote � and asking for such personal data as your driver’s license and Social Security numbers � may be a convicted drug dealer, or maybe even a rapist.
He may even still be living in a halfway house, fresh from prison � and now he wants to enlist you in the effort to defeat President Bush in November.
Just fill in his form, please.
It’s all brought to you by George Soros, the Hungarian-born hedge-fund gazillionaire and anti-Bush zealot who can see little moral difference between 9/11 and the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
Soros has given $10 million to America Coming Together (ACT), one of those anti-Bush special-interest groups that insist (wink, wink) they have “nothing to do with John Kerry’s campaign” � though its Web site says it is “laying the groundwork to defeat George W. Bush and elect Democrats in federal, state and local elections.”
Actually, it would be illegal for ACT to admit coordination with the Kerry campaign � but the organization is chock-a-block with veteran Democratic organizers, many with longstanding ties to the presumptive Democratic nominee.
ACT, which was founded by a former political director of the AFL-CIO and the founder of the pro-abortion Emily’s List, officially is in the business of registering voters in several battleground states, using door-to-door canvassers who are paid from $8 to $12 an hour.
An Associated Press investigation showed that dozens of names and addresses of ACT employees match those of people convicted of burglary, forgery, drug dealing, assault and sex offenses.
At least four of those are felons who got sent back to prison: two for drug violations and one for endangering the welfare of a minor.
ACT insists that it doesn’t hire “violent” felons (though it refuses to define “violent”) and believes that ex-cons deserve a second chance (though they’re legally barred from voting themselves).
Tell it to the Missouri Department of Corrections � which has banned ACT from its list of approved employers for felons in halfway houses, citing “public safety” concerns over their handling sensitive personal information.
Surely such concern is warranted.
Randolph, the people on your side of the argument also have no facts, only a hint that “those in power know better”. What a load of medieval horsepoop. If you are going to criticise “liberals”, at least find something to criticise that “conservatives” aren’t also guilty of themselves.
Hello Mr. Pot, I’ve got Kettle on line 2.
June 26, 2004 — It is time for the U.S. to put a serious bounty on the head of Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, the vicious master-terrorist who has threatened to assassinate Iraq’s new Prime Minister Iyad Allawi.
Zarqawi is the one-legged, Jordanian-born al Qaeda boss and Afghan-Soviet war veteran who has claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and beheadings of Nicholas Berg and Kim Sun-il, not to mention scores of suicide bombings in Iraq over the past year.
The Iraqi prime minister told reporters that terrorists linked to Zarqawi carried out the four bomb attacks in Mosul on Thursday � killing scores of people as part of a wave of deadly attacks that left more then 100 people dead in the run-up to next Wednesday’s handover of sovereignty.
Zarqawi’s group also claims responsibility for Thursday’s temporary capture of police stations in the Sunni Iraqi city of Baquba (though U.S. forces say that the tactics used by insurgents there indicate the attacks may in fact have been carried out by former members of Saddam Hussein’s elite army units).
American aircraft have accordingly been carrying out pinpoint strikes against Zarqawi’s network in the vipers’ nest of Fallujah, the pro-Saddam city that Coalition forces unaccountably abandoned to Sunni thugs last month, despite having vowed to capture the mutilators of four murdered contractors.
(Many of the foreign Arab terrorists who had been cornered by the U.S. Marines in Fallujah subsequently relocated to Baghdad in order to wreak havoc in the capital.)
There is no doubt that if Zarqawi were to be taken out in Fallujah or elsewhere, it would make a tremendous difference to the security situation in Iraq.
The recent massive drop in terrorist attacks in Israel shows just how effective it can be to decapitate terrorist networks using a combination of airstrikes, excellent intelligence and restrictions on population movement.
Right now, the United States has offered $10 million for Zarqawi’s capture.
His head on a platter would be worth twice that � and maybe a lot more.
The United States has withdrawn its re quest for the renewal of a U.N. reso lution that shields U.S. peacekeepers from prosecution by the United Nations’ International Criminal Court.
The Security Council resolution that grants U.S. troops this immunity expires on June 30; the withdrawal marks a significant diplomatic defeat for America � and a wholly unwarranted triumph for U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
He campaigned unsuccessfully against the resolution’s renewal last year (when it passed 12-0, with France, Germany and Syria abstaining).
This time, Annan’s backers included China and Spain as well as the Franco-German anti-American alliance.
Annan argued that extending the immunity would be particularly unfortunate given evidence of prisoner abuse in Iraq (though such abuse would not fall under ICC jurisdiction), and “would discredit the council and the United Nations that stands for rule of law and the primacy of rule of law.”
That’s pretty rich, given that both Annan and his deputy, Benon Savan � the official responsible for running the massively corrupt U.N. Iraq-Oil for Food Program when it was illegally subsidizing the Saddam regime, bribing public officials in any number of countries and generally ripping off the Iraqi people � are basically immune from prosecution for any crimes they may have committed in that giant scam.
Annan’s words are even more disingenuous given that many of the regimes that make up the United Nations have no experience with the “rule of law.”Fortunately, the lack of ICC immunity won’t actually make any difference to the vulnerability of U.S. troops to politicized prosecutions: America has bilateral agreements with 89 countries giving its peacekeepers immunity; 90 others are not signatories to the ICC treaty (like the United States) � and in any case the ICC treaty only applies in cases where a country is unwilling or unable to prosecute its own accused war criminals.
Still, the Bush administration was wrong to cave in so easily.
By doing so, it surrendered the moral high ground: The United States, unlike most of the Third World tyrannies that dominate the U.N., can be relied on to prosecute its own whenever they commit crimes at home and abroad.
Witness the Abu Ghraib courts-martial now under way.
Another big problem, given that America does the lion’s share of the world’s peacekeeping: Foreign courts cannot be trusted to treat Americans fairly.
Moreover, by caving on this matter, the administration allowed America’s diplomatic enemies to exploit the Abu Ghraib abuses to make it seem that international oversight is now somehow necessary to prevent U.S. military crimes abroad � even though, again, the U.S. Army moved to try the soldiers involved in the abuse cases with exemplary swiftness.
That does America’s armed forces, and the American people, a terrible disservice.
AFTER terrorists beheaded Korean hostage Kim Sun-il, The New York Times kept the photo showing the horror of his final moments off yesterday’s front page.
Instead, the Times’ front page bizarrely describes Kim as “sitting or kneeling quietly” as he waited to die � in reality the photo, back on Page A-11, shows Kim with his mouth open wide in terror, and the video shows him shaking with fear.
It’s just the latest instance of how the press often hesitates to show the true savagery of America’s enemies in the War on Terror, whether al Qaeda or Saddam Hussein’s thugs, precisely because the images are so awful.
Last week, The Post revealed that reporters were ignoring a gruesome video of torture by Saddam’s thugs while obsessing over prisoner mistreatment by a small group of U.S. troops at Abu Ghraib jail where the photos are less upsetting.
Calls from readers prompted the American Enterprise Institute to post the Saddam torture video on its Web site (with warnings about the graphic content). Fox News Channel’s “Hannity and Colmes” did a report � in fact, last fall Fox exclusively revealed the existence of Saddam torture videos and aired sections.
National Review Online ran a detailed account of the video. MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough plans to air it tonight. Otherwise, silence.
That prompted Laura Daniel to write New York Times public editor Daniel Okrent to complain, to no avail.
“I don’t think the NYT needs to cover the video � but I do think it should make periodic mention of Saddam’s torture � which, in fact, I believe it has, and does,” Okrent emailed back.
“That’s intellectually dishonest, and he knows it,” retorts Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), who co-hosted an airing of the Saddam torture video on Capitol Hill with Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman (Conn.).
“There’s no question if we had pictures of American soldiers chopping off hands, they would air it. It’s just a double standard . . . The idea that if you mention [Saddam’s torture] you have somehow checked your box of being fair is ridiculous,” he adds.
By contrast he points to “front-page, eye-catching, big headlines that say, ‘America bad, America fails.’ What is the overall message that’s getting out? It’s not what’s mentioned in paragraph 13 � ‘Oh, by the way, Saddam was bad, too.’ “
Last fall, when Fox broke the story of the Saddam torture videos, the Times ran all of five paragraphs back on Page A-14 with a small picture � versus, so far, 181 stories on Abu Ghraib, more than 40 on the front page.
Incidentally, that Santorum-Lieberman screening of the Saddam torture video drew a roomful of reporters but resulted in just a couple of actual news reports. Christian Broadcasting Network aired the video by fuzzing the most gruesome parts.
Actually, says former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, who did a tour in Baghdad training Iraqi policemen, that video isn’t even the tip of the iceberg. He has 30 or 50 DVDs that show the same kind of Saddam torture and much worse.
“I’ve had guys from the NYPD, veteran homicide cops, whose stomachs turn when they watch it. What went on at Abu Ghraib under Saddam was 1,000 times worse, but we don’t see it. They write a paragraph about it,” Kerik says.
He recalls visiting Abu Ghraib about a month after Baghdad fell in 2003, a month after the last tortures and executions � the stench of blood was still so awful, like a slaughterhouse, that even he had trouble walking through it.
“When Ted Kennedy says Abu Ghraib has reopened under ‘U.S. management,’ the guy hasn’t got a clue. It just shows what kind of world of unreality he lives in. His whole agenda is political,” Kerik adds.
And there are other Saddam horrors on tape. Former Pentagon spokeswoman Torie Clarke says there are thousands of tapes of rapes by Saddam’s thugs, since one of his pet practices was to rape wives in front of their husbands. Sometimes the rapes were videoed from a few different angles.
In case a husband got out of line again, he’d be sent his wife’s rape tape, she says. “Who’s going to show that [on TV]?” Clarke asks.
In fact, Clarke recalls, she got angry complaints from three or four networks during the Iraq war when she tried to document Saddam’s horrors by beginning a briefing with part of a BBC documentary on how Saddam used poison gas on his own people.
It showed a woman victim with half her face blown away.
“The criticism from several leading news organizations was intense. They said, ‘Our people don’t want to see this,’ ” Clarke reports.
One argument against airing the Saddam video horrors is that doing so would just serve as a recruiting bonanza for al Qaeda. But that’s intellectually dishonest, since the exact same argument can be made against running photos of Abu Ghraib.
Most of the press still isn’t ready to face up to how to report the real horrors of what terrorists do. It would be a good start if newspapers like the Times would admit there’s a problem when they downplay those horrors.
Just your friendly neighborhood torturer, Saddam, liberal poster boy!
http://www.aei.org/audioLib/200406181_vts_01_0.mpg.avi.mpg
Are some people here just stupid or are they incapable of separating distinct arguments?
Nobody says that Saddam Hussein wasn’t a tyrannical butcher – but the point is Americans, Koreans, Turks and Italians and others wouldn’t have been at risk if we hadn’t entered into a conflict without a [B]COMPREHENSIVE[/B] containment and policing plan, leading to a proper exit strategy. As a matter of course, that plan should have included the creation of complete border control to prevent incursion from Iran and other countries as well , which was not possible because the coalition could only enter into Iraq from Kuwait, as Turkey denied access from the northern border and Saudi Arabia denied access from the southern border. The willingness to enter into a conflict without international consensus was not just a nicety, it was an operational necessity and it has led to long-term security problems.
The other point is that – if properly prioritised – the SOLE aim of the war on terror should have been to focus on Al Qua’ida’s leadership as opposed to fighting a war on several simultaneous fronts which, as history demonstrates, becomes a logistical problem.
Again, Hussein was a butcher and – when he comes to trial – I hope he gets what he deserves. However, the ‘fabricated’ intelligence on WMD and links to Al Qua’ida that led to war has – without doubt – drawn coalition (and as of this evening, NATO) forces into a distraction which [B]REDUCES[/B] the internal security available to counter Al Qua’ida operations.
Anyone who doesn’t get this argument really needs to stop living in the fantasy world that Cheney, Rumsfeld et al have fabricated.
Al Qua’ida are going to attack from Central Asia, Saharan Africa, and the Far East – and we’re marooned in the Gulf monitoring the borders of the wrong country, given that AQ have done more recruiting in Saudi Arabia than anywhere else.
some people here think that if you don’t like the idea of Americans ignoring the Geneva conventions and torturing prisoners like in Abu Ghraib then you must support Terrorism and like Saddam Hussein. It’s pathetic.
Also, last I checked, the press reports on the USA first, and other countries second. They simply don’t have the space and time to do otherwise. Take, for example, the atocities in East Timor. If you lived in east Timor, the newspapers would have been going crazy with the terror happening there, and probably wouldn’t have reported on Britney Spears latest album. But living here at the time, Britney Spears latest album was more important than the savage ethnic cleansing that was happening in East Timor. So there you have it. So if you’re wondering why we didn’t report on what Saddam Hussein did in his prisons – here’s the answer: It wasn’t a big deal to the USA. But the fac that the USA is torturing prisoners, welll yeah, that is a big deal. Welcome to reality folks.
Randolph:
What people like Lay and Ebbers did undermined the credibility of the world’s financial markets for the best part of eighteen months and resulted in hundred of thousands of investors, including employees, losing significant sums of money that was supposed to help them in their retirement.
Many of those people will now have to work into their retirements to make up the money they lost, and those who are too old to do so will have to make do with a lower standard of living and potentially reliant on welfare.
So try and engage a couple of neurons the next time you post.
Silver Fox:
Great post worthy of the best scaremongering of Goebbels and other propagandists.
Of course, people who have been convicted of a crime don’t deserve a second chance – so we’d better get a movement started to get G. Gordon Liddy off the air, and we should give thanks that Laura Bush was never convicted for her youthful indiscretion, and that John Poindexter was effectively pardoned for his role in Contragate.
But four of them have been sent back to prison – so they must have been about to murder people in their beds.
How much money – soft or hard – did Lay and others raise for BC00? Or is that not important, as they’ve only committed white-collar crime?
Big Tobacco raises millions for politicians on both sides (although mainly Republican) and has probably been responsible for more deaths than some nickel-and-dime felons. But that’s probably not important either.
Also, a nice touch getting the ‘pro-abortion’ thing into the post, thus trying to paint all Democrats as baby-killing, criminal-friendly, dope fiends who’ll knock on your door and steal your life savings and your identity.
I really would like to think people aren’t so mentally retarded as to swallow such a pile of hysterical bullshit, but 48% of Americans allegedly believe in creationism so I guess anything’s possible.
gspank – mccfr and I really miss you. please come and give us a good rogering again. we need it!
As horrific as was yesterday’s news that al Qaeda-linked thugs beheaded another hostage in Iraq � a 33-year-old South Korean, Kim Sun-il � the incident, in a sense, still marked a kind of victory for the civilized world.
This, after all, was the third high-profile decapitation by the thugs in recent weeks, following the slaughter of Nick Berg in May and Paul Johnson on Friday.
And what do the terrorists have to show for it?
Nothing.
Their demands that South Korea keep its troops out of Iraq were summarily ignored. So kudos to Seoul for its resolve in the face of what must have been unbearable pressure.
Conditions for Johnson’s release � that al Qaeda prisoners be set free � were likewise rejected.
In both cases, the kidnappers failed to get what they wanted.
“The free world cannot be intimidated by the brutal actions of these barbaric people,” President Bush said yesterday.
Indeed, the more of these acts they commit, the more decent folk will become inured to them.
And the firmer will be the world’s resolve to resist them.
Meanwhile, those responsible are being hunted. Yesterday, Coalition forces blasted a Fallujah safehouse used by thugs loyal to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi � a Jordanian linked to al Qaeda who is thought to be behind yesterday’s murder, as well as Berg’s.
Clearly, Zarqawi’s days are numbered.
It would be difficult for a humane world to strip away the gore and drama surrounding the decapitations, particularly when photos are disseminated. Were it possible, though, what would be left would be no more powerful than the deaths from, say, roadside bombings, sniper fire or gun battles.
Indeed, the fact that the terrorists are resorting to ploys that may shock and repulse but that don’t inflict massive casualties or devastation is a sign of their desperation: They know they’re losing.
So now they’re cutting off heads.
And, yes, they’ll keep on doing it.
But they should know: They’re going down. And when they do, as Bush said yesterday, the world will be a more peaceful place.
Political provocateur Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11” opens in theaters in New York today (and nationwide on Friday), and therein lies an intellectual dilemma for champions of campaign-finance “reform.”
Moore, the very model of the modern propagandist, is also a skilled self-promoter. If nothing else, the movie will make the rotund rabblerouser even richer than he already is.
On one level, “Fahrenheit 911” is only a movie � albeit one that writer Christopher Hitchens and Post film critic Jonathan Foreman can liken to the work of Leni Riefenstahl, Adolf Hitler’s favorite filmmaker. As a film, it will flop or fly without help or hindrance from us.
Our concern is with another aspect of Moore’s movie: It’s basically a two-hour attack ad on President Bush.
“I hope this country will be back in our hands in a very short period of time,” Moore says. That is, he hopes that his movie will make John Kerry president.
Moore certainly has the right to pursue such a goal as he pleases. America prizes freedom of speech, Exhibit A being all the tendentiously conspiratorial � and just plain stupid � movies that Michael Moore has churned out over the years.
But should this unapologetically partisan piece of “art” count as an explicit contribution to the Kerry campaign?
After all, the McCain-Feingold campaign-reform law imposes a moratorium on much explicit political advertising in the weeks before Election Day.
Yes, the ink was hardly dry on McCain-Feingold when a loophole was discovered: Democrat-sponsored “independent” groups (so-called 527s, after the section in the federal tax code covering their specific activities) were buying ad time to blast Bush. And Republican 527s are reportedly taking aim at Kerry.
But the busy beavers behind campaign-finance “reform” are already laboring to shut down the 527s as soon as they can.
Yet why stop there? What about Moore’s cinematic screed, and those of others? Should they be forced to go dark as Election Day approaches?
Michael Moore makes us gag � but folks who think that the feds shouldn’t be able to gag Moore need to think long and hard about where campaign-finance “reform” is taking the First Amendment.
It’s not a nice place.
WITH 132 days before the election, how is George W. Bush doing? If you clear away the partisan brush, which is almost impossible at this point, you’d have to say his prospects look pretty good.
Before you assume I’m just a Bush fan who can’t see straight, consider this recent historical parallel. The last Republican president to lose a second term was, of course, Bush’s father in 1992. I spent the year 1992 reporting on the first Bush White House for a book I published after the Elder’s defeat. And let me assure you that at this point in the 1992 campaign, people in the White House knew they were in deep trouble.
For months before, most staffers close to Bush the Elder had pooh-poohed the threat of Bill Clinton on the grounds that the country couldn’t possibly go for a draft-dodging philanderer over a World War II hero whose wife was the most popular person in the country. That foolish confidence had long since evaporated. Everybody in Washington thought the re-election campaign was poorly run, that the White House itself was dysfunctional and that some drastic steps needed to be taken to save the president.
The most talked-about idea was that Dan Quayle should be dumped as vice president � but since Quayle was the only reliable conservative in Bush’s inner circle and Bush was having huge problems holding on to conservative voters, this was a solution palatable only to Republican moderates who had already driven the Bush presidency into a ditch.
Everybody was also talking about how Bush couldn’t make it through unless he insisted that Secretary of State James Baker resign his post and take over the management of the White House � which did happen, to no avail.
The point here is that things looked desperate in June 1992, people felt desperate, and the administration was acting desperate. That’s not true now, even though the mainstream media want you to believe it ought to be.
The New York Times is claiming, hilariously, that the vast sums of money the Bush team spent to define John Kerry as a flip-flopper didn’t make much of a dent. That’s simply absurd. That money was extraordinarily well-spent. Everybody with a scintilla of political awareness in the United States now has the sense that John Kerry speaks out of both sides of his mouth on every issue.
Bush wasn’t trying to buy ads to get himself in the lead. He was buying ads to change the political dynamic of the winter and spring, during which he was bashed and bashed � and offered little or no response.
He successfully put Kerry on the defensive, to the point where the Democratic nominee is far better off if he just keeps his mouth shut and lets the media, the 9/11 Commission and Richard Clarke types do his campaigning for him.
But at some point John Kerry is going to have to come out of the shadows and get to work making the case for himself � and he ain’t good at it.
As things stand right now, Dubya’s approval rating in most polls is back over 50 percent. He’s taken the lead back from Kerry in almost every national survey in the past week. The Harris poll, which has long had a reputation for skewing liberal, shows Bush ahead by 10 points. Another left-leaning pollster, Stanley Greenberg, has the race at 49-48 in a survey done for National Public Radio.
More important than these raw numbers are some answers on specific issues. In the Greenberg poll, Bush has pulled even with Kerry when it comes to who would best handle the economy. Democrats had a 20-point margin on the economy only a few months ago � and the president’s numbers can only get better with time, as the depth and breadth of the economic recovery becomes more and more evident.
Even more striking are the Greenberg poll’s findings on health care. After fairly summarizing the positions of both candidates, Greenberg asked which candidate would do better on health issues. Kerry and Bush tie. Health care is a subject on which Democrats have tended to poll 15 to 20 points higher than Republicans.
There’s no reason to believe that the American people have suddenly discovered that George W. Bush signed a prescription-drug benefit into law. Rather, these poll numbers suggest that the discomfort conservatives and Republicans were feeling toward Bush, which depressed his numbers a month ago, is now over with.
Could the discomfort come back? Of course. Could the numbers get bad for Bush again? Of course.
But right now, all things considered, with 132 days to go, you’d want to be George W. Bush and not John Kerry.
Chance,
go see the movie before passing judgement on it.
LIES WE WERE TOLD ABOUT IRAQ………………………………….
“the reason I believe in a large tax cut because it’s what I believe”
GWB WASHINGTON DC, 12/18/00
“We believe saddam has in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons”
VP CHENEY 03/16/03 MEET THE PRESS
“Our conservative estimate is that iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. that is enough to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets”
SOS COLIN POWELL 02/05/03 remarks to UN council
“We know where iraq’s WMD are. they’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghad and the east, west, and north somewhat”
SOD DONALD RUMSFELD 03/30/03 meet the press
“We’ve learned that iraq has trained al qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and deadly gases….alliance with terrorists could allow the iraq regime to attack america without leaving any fingerprints”
BUSH 10/07…….
The civilized world and low life UN thought all of the above was true prior to US invasion of Iraq. France, Germany, Russia, making billions on food for oil UN scam. Crazy media coverage of benign US scare tactics with nut case terrorist prisoners. Coverage of Saddams kind care of prisoners here:
http://www.aei.org/audioLib/200406181_vts_01_0.mpg.avi.mpg
The sad truth tom is no lies were told about Iraq from our leadership, Only the liberal media tells massive lies and distorts the truth. George Bush is doing all the right things. 95% of US knows this!!!!!
mccfr,
nice try nut job. my facts are true. just keep dismissing the truth tree hugger. you’re dead wrong.
How much better the world would be if instead of, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend,” or “The friend of my enemy is my enemy,” the relations between nations were based on: “The enemy of poverty and injustice is my friend.” Yeah, yeah … simplistic, I know, but there are points there relevant to security and prosperity. Renting clients (it’s always temporary) with arms and aid needs to be tempered with nation building and strengthening or you’ve only created an arms/aid junkie that could turn around and bite you.
It’s sad that a good part of the world viewed 911 with a touch of schadenfreude, almost expecting it and viewing it as a consequence of the jerk to the right with the assasination of Yitzak Rabin. I remember thinking with dread at the time that the world had just taken a turn towards instability.
This email is in the web:
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:17:16 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Fwd: Israel (fwd)
This letter has nothing to do with magic or elves. It is only a story I want
to tell to all of you brothers and sisters of my soul. A story of great
grief I have to share, and I invite you to be the ones who share it with me.
To makes things clear, I first want to say that the “il” in my address
stands for Israel. And just to be sure you know (though I know it was
broadcasted all over the world earlier this evening), our prime minister,
Rabin, was murdered this evening by a right-winged extremist after speaking
in a huge demonstration in support of the peace process. I want to tell this
story.
continues….
In the afternoon we went to the demonstration. It was a happy event – not
against anything, not to protest or fight, but to show support in our
government for it’s efforts in building a new era of peace in this wars-torn
land. I don’t know how many of you have ever been in such an event – the
sense of power is awesome. And it was huge. I estimate there were about 150-
200 thousand people there. We were filled with a wonderful feeling of joy,
of hope, seeing so many around us, great music, balloons, dancing, meeting
friends. A festival. And when the prime minister entered the stage, he was
greeted by a thunder off clapping hands. Not only because it was such a
joyous event, but also to show this man, a man that was cursed and spit upon
and called “traitor” by his adversaries time and again during the last few
months, a man that is blamed by them for every terrorist attack (because he
dares negotiate with the enemy), to show him people do believe in him and
admire what he does.
I went home after he spoke, trying to avoid traffic, thinking the action was
nearly over. Little did I know. About an hour after I got home, we heard the
news – Rabin was shot. The first thing that rushed through my mind (after
“shit!”), was “Kennedy”. I am sorry to borrow on your myth, Americans, but
this is all I could think of. And then, “oh gods, please let it end
differently”. But it didn’t. I decided to send a letter to the Elven Nation,
asking you to use any healing powers you might have to help him, but it was
too late. He died on the operations table and hour later.
After a few phone calls, we went back to the same square where the
demonstration was held. People started to gather – not as many as before,
but they kept coming. Wearing black, bearing candles and torches, engulfed
in smoke. And we just sat there, watching the white candles dripping tears,
the red torches dripping blood. Crying, hugging, singing softly (you
wouldn’t believe how many songs of war and peace we have), shocked to our
bones. It was warm at the demonstration, but at two in the morning, it was
getting so cold.
continues….
Every death is a tragedy. And Rabin was not an easy man. A hard man, and a
solider to the bone, which made him unpopular amongst both sides, pro and
con of the peace process. He was called “traitor” by both sides (which only
proves how well-fit he was for the job). But he lead this peace process
stubbornly, with full fait at heart. Being a soldier, he was hated by many
of the Arabs, but he also knew how much we need peace. He has brought us to
a point some of us see as a miracle in being (my father, who fought in many
wars with our neighbors, is going as a tourist to Jordan. You have no idea
how deeply he is moved by that). And for that I loved and admired him, even
though I didn’t like many of the things he did in his life. The peace
process will go on. It can not be stopped, not by one murder. But this act
will definitely intensify the atmosphere of hatred that divides my country.
It is an act of violence that will lead to others. It scares the hell out of
me.
This is all. Tomorrow will probably be a day of national mourning. Now all I
have to do is takes a shower (after sitting in the middle of all that smoke)
and go to bed. But I keep seeing one picture. In the middle of the square,
someone used soul-candles (candles put on graves, usually) to form one huge
word. “Why?”.
Randolph The Red-Necked Republican:
I wouldn’t mind if there was a single ‘fact’ in your original post, but there’s just the standard ‘all liberal voters are welfare scroungers, therefore all welfare-scroungers are liberals’ generalisation, like no Republicans have ever been prosecuted for tax fraud (which I always see as welfare fraud with fewer forms) or collected a fraudulent welfare dollar in their lives.
Also, how you can minimise the damage that the crooked accounting scandals have caused to personal investors is mind-boggling.
Please milk me mcccfr!
And all that posts like the one above prove is that those on the other side of the debate have no arguments that they can use, so they resort to puerile innuendo and abuse.
How sad for those whose lives are genuinely affected by political choices (i.e. the whole population) that there are people who cannot engage in an eloquent, adult discussion.
Still, small things please small minds.
And just to show that I look at both sides of the story:
At the moment, I’m watching Saudi ambassador – yet another member of the Saud family – to the UK (being interviewed on the main commercial ITV network) who is honestly trying to justify that there is a link between ‘zionists’ criticising his corrupt, undemocratic, feudal, repressive regime and Al Qua’ida activity and attacks through direct action.
Whilst there has been Israeli-inspired influence in the agenda for Iraqi regime change, how in the name of reason can the USA and the UK continue to support a country that creates and promotes a myth of ‘zionist’ conspiracy – amongst many other libels against Jews – and sponsors Arab media to disseminate that myth. Also, how can Saudi Arabia deal with its internal problems when it fails to recognise that it has culpability in creating the conditions that allow fundamentalism and terrorism to fester.
And you wonder why I think we’re fighting a war in the wrong country?
“Bush is unpopular in Turkey, where the overwhelming majority of the public opposed the Iraq war.
As the president arrived in Turkey Saturday, supporters of Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said they kidnapped three Turkish workers in Iraq, Arab TV station al-Jazeera reported.
The group has threatened to behead the hostages, an al-Jazeera employee told The Associated Press.
The protest in the Kadikoy district, on the Asian side of Istanbul, attracted more than 40,000 people, mostly members of leftist groups, police said.”
you can see with your own eyes here
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/27/turkey.protest.ap/index.html
They try to make unfair subtle associations between 40000 anti-bush protesters in turkey and the hediondous al-Zarqawi group. Do i have to say more about how news are given in the USA freedom of press way… very oportune the introduction of both phrases between a new that has nothing to do with al-Zarqawi. Sweet!!!
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The White House last week re leased hundreds of documents showing that President Bush in sisted that all prisoners captured in Afghanistan be treated humanely, even if they weren’t covered by the Geneva Conventions.
But that’s not what much of the national news media chose to report.
Instead, they focused on an August 2002 memorandum from the Justice Department that raised a legal argument supporting aggressive interrogation tactics � despite the fact that the memo was never acted on.
Indeed, its conclusions were contradicted by the president’s specific directive six months earlier.
In that document, Bush noted that he believed he had “the authority under the Constitution” to deny Geneva Conventions protection to detainees captured during the campaign that toppled Afghanistan’s Taliban regime.
But, he added, “I decline to exercise that authority.”
That, of course, dashes Democratic hopes of proving that the Abu Ghraib prison reflected a campaign of deliberate torture directed by the top levels of the administration.
The documents demonstrate that there was intense debate within the administration on what constituted acceptable interrogation methods.
At one point, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized sleep deprivation and using dogs “to induce stress” � but he rescinded that approval barely a month later.
A later directive authorized 24 methods, all consistent with the Geneva Conventions, but said that the use of four of them would have to be personally approved by him in advance.
These four were removing privileges from detainees, attacking a prisoner’s ego, using the “good cop-bad cop” routine and isolation.
That’s a far cry from the kind of behavior that took place at Abu Ghraib. Indeed, nothing in that document remotely suggests either approval of the kind of torture that actually took place, or establishing any kind of atmosphere that would encourage such treatment.
But you’d hardly know that from the way much of the media covered the story. The Associated Press, which provides stories to newspapers around the world, and The Washington Post, for example, emphasized the Justice Department memo, which “suggested that torturing terrorism suspects might be legally defensible.”
The president last week reiterated that “We do not condone torture” and “I have never ordered torture.” Nothing has yet been produced that contradicts those statements.
Torture the muslim slime!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/27/cia.book/index.html
Well then, the prez did a bad job of controlling his troops. Where does the buck stop?
I’d rather be humiliated then mamed or decapitated. After all we weren’t wearing uniforms. Why is it that no one crys out about the horrors the terrorists are comitting or the horrors Saddam used to comit? Someone, please let me know why those people are never complained about?
http://www.aei.org/audioLib/200406181_vts_01_0.mpg.avi.mpg
THEY SAID IT �Say what you like, but, in the Clinton era, the only naked guy with women’s panties on his head and a dog leash round his neck would have been the President breaking in the new intern pool.� — �Clinton Has The Heat � But It�s The Democrats Who Are Getting Burnt,� Mark Steyn, London Telegraph, June 21, 2004. A DUNG HEAP CALLED THE UNITED NATIONS. Recently, I heard a radio commercial that referenced the so-called �butterfly effect,� which holds that a butterfly flapping its wings in one area of the world could cause a tornado in another faraway place. This notion concerning the interconnectedness of seemingly unconnected occurrences is an old one, which has been stated in many different ways, some more fanciful than others. My favorite was uttered by Jack Burton, the narrator in Robert Penn Warren�s great political novel, All the King�s Men. �I eat a persimmon and the teeth of a tinker in Tibet are put on edge,� he said. All of this came to mind last week when I read news accounts of U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan�s commencement address at Harvard, where he criticized President Bush�s assertion that the United States had both a right and an obligation to take offensive action against any nation that threatens it, whether the rest of the world likes it or not. His specific words were as follows. What kind of world would it be, and who would want to live in it, if every country was (sic)
allowed to use force, without collective agreement, simply because it thought there might be a threat? Why did this remind me of the theories of the butterfly and the persimmon? Because it brought to mind another example of the same concept, which goes as follows. An old man from North Carolina suffers several years of declining health, his resolve weakens, he is bamboozled into believing men whom he would once have recognized as liars, he abandons a lonely position of principle, and finally retires from his job in Washington, D.C., and all over the earth, from large cites to the most remote corners, corrupt and licentious men smile without knowing why and children cry out restlessly in their sleep.
Far fetched? Well maybe, but in my opinion the link between these two events is a lot closer than the one between the butterfly and the tornado, or the persimmon eater and the tinker. In fact, it is similar to another variation on the same theme set forth by the above-mentioned Jack Burton. He called it the �flower in the crannied wall theory� and described it as follows: So I plucked the flower out of its cranny and discovered an astonishing botanical fact. I discovered that its delicate little root, with many loops and kinks, ran all the way to New York City, where it tapped the lush dung heap called the Madison Corporation. The flower in the cranny was the Southern Belle Fuel Company. So I plucked another little flower called the American Electric Power Company, and discovered that its delicate little root tapped the same dung heap. You see, the plucked flower in my story was a U.S. Senator from North Carolina named Jesse Helms, who was also linked to a dung heap in New York, only this one was called the United Nations, and Helm�s connection to it was antagonistic, not symbiotic. In fact, he was the only politician in the world who had the courage to carry on a principled fight year after year against the accumulation of power by the United Nations.
And when his health failed, followed by his retirement, the world was left with no one to lead the fight to force even a modicum of responsibility and accountability on this global centerpiece for sleaze and corruption. Really Mark, where do you get this stuff? Well, you can begin by reading the following from an article in the Jerusalem Post dated May 18, 2004 by Mark Steyn entitled �UN Fetish.� Is the UN good? Well, I�m not sure I�d even say that. But if you object to what�s going on in those Abu Ghraib pictures – the sexual humiliation of prisoners and their conscription as a vast army of extras in their guards� porno fantasies – then you might want to think twice about handing over Iraq to the UN. In Eritrea, the government recently accused the UN mission of, among other offences, pedophilia. In Cambodia, UN troops fueled an explosion of child prostitutes and AIDS. Amnesty International reports that the UN mission in Kosovo has presided over a massive expansion of the sex trade, with girls as young as 11 being lured from Moldova and Bulgaria to service international peacekeepers. In Bosnia, where the sex-slave trade barely existed before the UN showed up in 1995, there are now hundreds of brothels with underage girls living as captives. The 2002 Save the Children report on the UN�s cover-up of the sex-for-food scandal in West Africa provides grim details of peacekeepers� demanding sexual favors from children as young as four in exchange for biscuits and cake powder.
�What is particularly shocking and appalling is that those people who ought to be there protecting the local population have actually become perpetrators,� said Steve Crawshaw, the director of Human Rights Watch. And then, if you like, you can �Google� the leads provided by Steyn and find a plethora of details and support for his accusations, scores more than I can fit into these pages. One example is an article in The Guardian dated February 28, 2002 entitled �Agencies hid scandal of aid workers who bought child sex with food,� from which the following is excerpted.
The report (made for UN High Commissioner for Refugees and Save the Children UK) says UN peacekeepers sexually exploited very young girls in refugee camps in West Africa, making them pose naked for pictures in exchange for biscuits, cake powder and other food. They are also accused of pooling money so that groups of them could have sex with the same girl . . . Sexual exploitation was defined by children as �when them big man go loving with small girl for money. Them big men can go loving to small girls, they can call girl when she walking along the road and then the girl go and they go in house and lock the door. And when the big man has done his business he will give the small girl money or gift.� The majority of children said they knew of at least one child who exchanged sex for money or gifts. Most were aged between 13 and 18 but some were younger and girls aged four to 12 had reported sexual harassment. Most of the allegations involved male staff recruited within the country trading for sex with oil, bulgur wheat, tarpaulin, medicines, transport, ration cards, loans, education courses, skills training and other goods. A girl in Liberia said: �It�s difficult to escape those NGO people; they use the food as bait to get you to sex with them.�
Or this report about a Danish documentary put out in August 2000. A hard-hitting Danish television documentary on the UN peacekeeping mission to Cambodia in 1992 accuses the world body of having introduced AIDS to the southeast Asian country, which today has one of the highest rates of HIV infection in the region. �And Then Came the UN� also shows how UN peacekeepers fathered and left behind untold numbers of children, who are now teased & bullied by other youngsters for being of mixed race. Currently airing in Europe, the documentary reveals for the first time the full extent of the seedy side of the UN Transition Authority in Cambodia (UNTAC), challenging years of UN statements that the mission was one of the most successful ever and worth its US$3-billion cost.
Coincidentally, the claims of success are expected to be repeated today in a comprehensive UN report on lessons learned from acknowledged peacekeeping debacles in Rwanda, Somalia, Bosnia, Angola and, most recently, Sierra Leone. But Yasushi Akashi, UNTAC’s chief in New York, replied that “Boys will be boys,” the documentary reports. “He told people, ‘Everybody has the right, even the soldiers, to enjoy the young ladies, and we cannot discriminate the HIV- positive soldiers,’ ” says Beat Richner, a Swiss doctor who still operates 3 children’s hospitals in Cambodia.
But he adds that the world body’s failure to control its troops was like “passive genocide.” Or this from two stories that appeared in the Guardian in August 2002. Patients at United Nations mental institutions in Kosovo have been raped and physically attacked under the eyes of UN staff, held in “filthy and degrading” conditions, and threatened with punishment if they report the abuses, according to a damning
investigation published in New York yesterday�.A damming dossier sent by Kathryn Bolkovac to her employers, detailing UN workers� involvement in the sex trade in Bosnia, cost the American her job with the international police force. She was sacked after disclosing that UN peacekeepers went to nightclubs where girls as young as 15 were forced to dance naked and have sex with customers, and that UN personnel and international aid workers were linked to prostitution rings in the Balkans. And finally, you might �Google� some combination of words and phrases like �Kofi�s son Kojo,� �oil-for-food program,� �Saddam Hussein,� �cover-up,� �scandal,� �massive corruption,� �billions in bribes,� �tidal wave of graft,� �kick-backs to Saddam.� If you do this you will find that the tinge of corruption and sleaze at the United Nations goes all the way to Kofi himself, the fellow who criticized the United States, before a cheering crowd of Harvard graduates, for moving into Iraq without the approval of such nations as France, Russia, and China, who were, like his own son, up to their butts in the �massive corruption� that pervaded the �oil for food� program, which in turn was propping up a murderous dictator. You will find that at least $11 billion � that�s billion � vanished from the U.N.-administered program, which was established in order to assure that Iraqi children had food and medicine during the U.N.-sponsored program to force Saddam Hussein to comply with U.N. disarmament demands. And you will find that the fraud lined the pockets of some of the most vocal critics of American insistence that the United Nations enforce its resolutions against the Hussein regime.
The United Nations has, of course, pledged to thoroughly investigate itself regarding this matter, and has chosen the aging Paul Volcker to head up this surreal task. Needless to say, he has zero chance of tracing the delicate little roots, with their many loops and kinks, all the way to the top of the dung heap. After all, the reason that a scandal of such global reach and magnitude could exist at all is because, for all practical purposes, neither the United Nations bureaucracy nor its leadership is accountable to anyone, not even its members. Theoretically, of course, the United Nations needs to justify its existence to the U.S. taxpayers, who pay the lion�s share of its operating expenses. But since Jesse Helms left the scene, there is no one of any importance left in the U.S. government, including the �conservative� President of the United States, who would dare even to raise the issue of reducing America�s U.N. dues payment in exchange for accountability and decent leadership. Kofi has, of course, rubbed Bush�s nose in this fact numerous times since the Texan joined the U.N. Secretary General among the exalted ranks of �world leaders.� A classic example occurred last year when Bush publicly �deplored� Cuba�s re-election to the U.N. Human Rights Commission, which is chaired by Libya, another giant in the field of human rights. Kofi as much as told Bush where to stuff the �troubling issues� the President said it raised, and the White House responded by assuring Kofi that it was all talk, that Bush had no intention of trying to do anything about it, like perhaps withdrawing American taxpayer support for an organization that has the moral moorings of a mass murderer. In any case, as you are �Googling� the web, don�t bother entering the words �Kofi� and �resignation� because you will find no connection between the two, even though the link between the U.N. Pooh Bah and the perversions and corruption scandals that have engulfed his organization since he took control of it are far more direct than those between the forced nudity of Arab men at Abu Ghraib and senior members of the Bush administration whose resignations have been demanded by the liberal media.
Could Jesse Helms have forced a change in time to save the children in the Balkans and West Africa and Asia, and prevented the United Nations from using its worldwide network of influence to prop up the government of Saddam Hussein and participate in the theft of billions of dollars that was earmarked to provide food and medicine to Iraqi children? No. But before he threw in the towel, Helms had managed over the years to block significant amounts of U.S. funding for the organization, which limited the amount of money that it could use for corrupt purposes, as well as the number of children that could be raped and brutalized by the sexual predators that it sends into the world with the money it gets from U.S. taxpayers. And like the butterfly and the tornado, when Jesse gave up the fight �small girls� around the globe suddenly became even more vulnerable to �them big men� because no one anywhere any longer cared what was done to them by the �peacekeepers,� whose ranks were about to multiply. In 1996, Jesse Helms wrote an article entitled �Saving the U.N.: A Challenge to the Next Secretary General,� which appeared in Foreign Affairs magazine. In it, he warned the United Nations that it had to reform if it was going to continue to receive American financial support. He concluded it as follows: The time has come for the United States to deliver an ultimatum: Either the United Nations reforms, quickly and dramatically, or the United States will end its participation. For too long, the Clinton administration has paid lip service to the idea of U.N. reform, without imposing any real costs for U.N. failure to do so. I am convinced that without the threat of American withdrawal, nothing will change. Withholding U.S. contributions has not worked. In 1986, Congress passed the Kassebaum-Solomon bill, which said to the United Nations in clear and unmistakable terms, reform or die. That did not work. A decade later, the United Nations has neither reformed nor died. The time has come for it to do one or the other�. If the United Nations is not clearly on the path of real reform well before the year 2000, then I believe the United States should withdraw. We must not enter the new millennium with the current U.N. structure in place.
The United States has a responsibility to lay out what is wrong with the United Nations, what the benchmarks for adequate reform are, and what steps we are willing to take if those benchmarks are not met by a date certain. The United Nations will certainly resist any and all reform – particularly many of the smaller and less developed members, which benefit from the current system and gain influence by selling their sovereignty to the organization. That is why the next secretary-general has an enormous job to do: his or her mandate will be nothing less than to save the United Nations from itself, prove that it is not impervious to reform, and show that it can be downsized, brought under control, and harnessed to contribute to the security needs of the 21st century. This is a gargantuan, and perhaps impossible,task. But if it cannot be done, then the United Nations is not worth saving. And if it is not done, I, for one, will be leading the charge for U.S. withdrawal.
Needless to say, the United Nations had not reformed itself by 2000. In fact, by naming Kofi Annan as its new Secretary General on January 1, 1997, it set a firm course toward more bloat and more corruption and more sexual predation toward children. Yet, on January 28, 2000, the headline in the USA Today read as follows: �Helms Makes Peace With United Nations.�
His health failing and two years away from retirement, the 79-year-old Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee acquiesced to �months of effort� by Bill Clinton�s controversial Ambassador to the United Nations, Richard Holbrooke, and the liberal lightweight Senator from Deleware Joseph Biden, and agreed to go along with a $1 billion payment to the United Nations in back dues in exchange for a few meaningless, cosmetic �reforms.� By making this agreement, USA Today happily concluded that Helms had �transformed himself from an angry spectator who had been threatening to leave the stands, to an impact player who has taken the field.� With no criticism at all intended for Jesse Helms, an old man who had fought the good fight with little or no help from his party for a very long time, I would argue that he didn�t take the field, but indeed left the stands, and in doing so left the game in the hands of a gang of crooks and perverts the likes of which the world has rarely ever seen.
Holbrooke, by the way, is said to be in line for the job of Secretary of State, should John Kerry win the election in November, which helps explain why Kerry has made much of the fact that if he is elected he will work more closely with the United Nations than George Bush has done. It is possible, of course, that a Kerry-Holbrooke team could make this work to the advantage of the United States; that together the United States and the United Nation�s could pursue an agenda of peace on earth and good will toward men. But it is, in my opinion, more likely that such an attempt would backfire on Kerry. By tying American actions to the �collective agreement� of such U.N. powerhouse nations as France, Germany, China, and Russia, Kerry could put his presidency, as well as his country, in some very difficult and dangerous positions, given the unsettled nature of the post-Cold-War world. In any case, the United States would likely get very dirty in the process. Dung heaps have a way of soiling those who get close to them. THE MEDIA AND IRAQ, REDUX. It has become a truism among conservatives, and indeed among many Americans with no particular political leanings at all, that the mainstream media is not only liberal, but overtly so. This bias is, of course, irritating to Republicans, most especially in election years. But it has been so much a part of the political scene for so long that the Party has learned to deal with it quite effectively, enough so to have won four out of the last six presidential races and to have captured control of both houses of Congress. This year, however, the liberal bias in the mainstream media has, I think, become extremely worrisome, not because of its potential impact on the Bush campaign per se, but because of its potential impact on public support for the war in Iraq, which could have drastic implications for the nation�s security.
Last week, I noted that �it has become more and more difficult not to suspect that even the mainstream press is making a concerted effort to emphasize the negative over the positive in Iraq.� This week I would add that things have grown markedly worse in the mere six days since those words were published. Of course, the newshounds and likeminded folks on the political left would have us all believe that this is the media�s historic responsibility, i.e., to challenge the prevailing logic and to question the party line spouted by a nominally untrustworthy government. But that is, in my opinion, a pretty weak rationalization for trying to pass off personal biases and prejudices about President Bush and the war in Iraq as fact. The truth of the matter is that the apparent effort by the mainstream press in this country today to undercut the war in Iraq is not only dangerous, but largely, unprecedented, the media�s high-minded protestations notwithstanding. I should note, of course, that, like today, the media did play a significant role in eroding public support for the Vietnam War. In fact, its opposition to that conflict is notorious � or legendary, depending, naturally on one�s perspective. As Mackubin Thomas Owens, a professor of strategy and force planning at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I, noted recently: �the fact was that for a very long time after that conflict, military members believed in their hearts that reporters were part of the counter-culture trying to �get them.�� And indeed they were.
But the difference between Vietnam and today, which is subtle, but nonetheless important, is that in Vietnam, the media turned against a long, bloody war that saw multiple casualties every day and that was waged against an enemy that many citizens felt was undeserving of American military wrath. In short, the media, like many individuals, was against that war, regardless of which party was in power. Today, in contrast, the media opposition to the war is predicated on the fact that it is George W. Bush�s war. Or to put this another way, in Vietnam the media undermined the war because that was the most obvious and effective means to end it. In Iraq the media undermines the war because it is the most obvious and effective means to end the Bush administration. This is a highly dangerous game because, while it certainly can be a legitimate and honorable position to believe that America should not have gone to war Iraq in the first place, it would seem impossible, even for anti-war liberals, to make the case that having now done so it would be a good thing for America to be defeated by the opposition movement within that country. It is one thing to dislike President Bush and to seek his defeat this November, but it is quite another to work actively to undermine the war effort by trying to convince Americans that failure is inevitable and that the cause was entirely unjust.
One wonders if these individuals who are so intent on emphasizing the negative ever think about the implications for the United States, for decent Iraqis, and for the entire Middle East of a chastened America skulking away in defeat and leaving Iraq under the governance of a murderous and fanatical religious cult. Over the past week, two stories in particular have amplified, in my opinion, the mainstream media�s intention to present a universally negative picture of the conflict in Iraq and to avoid having to make the case that regardless of their feelings toward George Bush and the war itself, some good has come out of it. One of these stories is important because of the headlines it generated, and the other because it generated no headlines at all. Now, unless you are one of the privileged few who can spend the majority of your waking hours reading about Washington, there is a good chance that you missed what ought to have been one of the most interesting and best covered stories of all of last week. On Tuesday, the American Enterprise Institute held a public screening of a video showing the real horrors of Abu Ghraib prison. TechCentral Station�s Nick Schulz described the video thusly: The first film clip opens with the camera showing a man standing in a bland, mostly empty room. The camera pans down to show his right hand. Folded rugs are visible in the background. The clip jumps to footage of scrub-clad �surgeons� with rubber surgical gloves severing the man�s hand at the wrist.
First the skin is peeled away with surgical knives and tweezers; ligaments, tendons, muscle, and bone underneath are exposed. Then the gloved hands wielding the knives begin to slice, shredding through the sinews, slashing muscle, breaking bone, until the hand is ultimately detached and plopped onto a green cloth, as yellow, pulpy tissue spills forth . . . The next clip opens amid Saddam Fedayeen � Fedayeen means �those willing to die for Saddam� � chanting loudly: �With blood and spirit we will redeem you Saddam.� The Fedayeen stand barking and clapping in a courtyard. A blindfolded prisoner, forced to his knees and held in position has his arm outstretched before him along a low concrete wall. A masked member of the Fedayeen raises high a three-foot-long blade and ferociously slams down on the man�s hand, slicing through his fingertips. The victim is wailing, howling, screaming in agony. The swordsman-torturer, not sufficiently satisfied with his first effort, raises the sword again and drives down once more on the man�s immobile hand. This time he severs the fingers closer to the knuckles as blood spurts cartoonishly from his hand spilling over and down the concrete slab. The victim emits a wail I have never heard � could never imagine hearing � from a grown man, this time louder, harder than the first. The camera then turns to the assembled Fedayeen as they continue rhythmically chanting . . In another clip a hooded and blindfolded prisoner is led to a room where he is forced to kneel, hands tied behind his back. Another man sits before the prisoner with thick metal tweezers and a scalpel.
With his left hand he grabs the tip of the prisoner�s tongue with the tweezers and pulls it forward from his head. With the scalpel in his other hand he slices through the prisoner�s tongue, cutting it out of his mouth and then dropping it on the floor. This ritual is repeated for more prisoners who are lined up, squatting in a row like parts on an assembly line waiting for processing, sitting ducks surrounded by dozens of men bearing witness to a Baathist tongue lashing . . . In the final clip we see a blindfolded prisoner being led to his fate as the assembled men around him sing �Happy Birthday, long live the leader, eternal gift to the people.� Again with arms tied behind his back he is shoved to the ground, bent over stuffed burlap sacks. A black-clad Fedayeen loosens the prisoner�s shirt exposing his back and neck, while another stands two feet from him holding a long silver blade at its curved handle. He raises his arms and strikes, hacking the prisoner�s head from his body, tumbling it to the ground. He picks up the severed head by the hair and places it ceremoniously on the dead man�s back as the camera pans in closer and closer and you can make out the victim�s now lifeless and bloodied face. The reason that AEI felt it necessary to screen the video was that it had, nearly two weeks earlier, been screened for the media at a conference held by three U.S. Senators, including former Democratic presidential hopeful Joseph Lieberman, but had not been deemed important enough by anyone in the mainstream press to merit even a word about it. Think about that for a minute. Three U.S. Senators hear about several videos recovered from Baathist offices in Baghdad and ask the Defense Department if it�s possible to see them. The Defense Department puts together a four-minute tape of Saddam�s �greatest hits,� if you will. And when the Senators go public with this tape, believing that it more than amply demonstrates in part why Saddam was deposed and why the moral equivalence being peddled by the left is completely nutty, no one in the mainstream media feels it worth even a brief mention.
So a conservative think tank follows up and publicly re-shows the video. And still no one cares. Indeed, as of Friday, only three media outlets, all of which fall outside of the mainstream and can be called �conservative,� to a greater or lesser degree (The New York Post, The Wall Street Journal�s �OpinionJournal,� and National Review, publisher of the Schulz story), had paid any attention to the story at all. Nick Schulz notes that one of the justifications given by the media, specifically CNN�s Aaron Brown, for running the pictures of U.S. abuses at Abu Ghraib over and over ad nauseum is, in Brown�s words, �You don�t appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it.� Yet somehow that standard only applies to �atrocities� committed by little girls from West Virginia and their perverted, emotionally disturbed boyfriends, not to Saddam and his tongue-lashing squad. The other story is one most Americans undoubtedly saw last week, although where they saw it likely affected their perception of it.
After the 9/11 Commission released preliminary findings that they have been unable to find conclusive evidence that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda cooperated in the 9/11 hijackings, the mainstream press ran with headlines and stories indicating (once again) that �Bush lied� and that the definitive word had been given by a commission that had disproved any connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda. The press�s misleading and unwarranted conclusions were deemed so egregious that Vice President Cheney took the unusual step of denying them aggressively in an interview given late in the week.
Andrew McCarthy, the �former chief assistant U.S. attorney who led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others,� was so appalled by The New York Times skewed depiction of the commission�s findings that he felt it necessary to update the paper�s famous motto, changing it to �All the News That�s Full of S**t.� Even Lee Hamilton, the Democratic vice chairman of the Commission felt it necessary to note that the media had distorted the commission�s findings, making it appear that was a greater discrepancy between what the administration said and what the commission found. He put it thusly. I must say I have trouble understanding the flack over this. The vice president is saying, I think, that there were connections between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s government. We don�t disagree with that. What we have said is what the governor just said, we don�t have any evidence of a cooperative, or a corroborative relationship between Saddam Hussein’s government and these al-Qaeda operatives with regard to the attacks on the United States. So it seems to me that sharp difference that the press has drawn, the media has drawn, are not that apparent to me. [emphasis added] In closing, I would draw attention to one other story that I think illustrates this important point. The feature piece on the front page of the Sunday Washington Post carried this headline: �Mistakes Loom Large As Handover Nears.� Predictably, the story opens with a laundry list of mistakes that have been made by the American authority in Iraq, all of which are almost certainly quite true, especially when measured against carefully chosen examples of the goals and dreams of those who had sincerely wanted to achieve more and have been distressed to learn that their ambitious dreams would take a lot longer to achieve than they had thought. While contemplating the grim and apparently shocking news that sometimes war plans don�t play out exactly as they�re drawn up, one finds, after the jump to page 16, the following paragraph, which, in some Americans might stir a feeling of pride for being a citizen of one of the few nations in the history of the world that routinely sacrifices blood and money to help those whom it has defeated in combat.
The Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S. entity that has administered Iraq, cites many successes of its tenure. Nearly 2,500 schools have been repaired, 3 million children have been immunized, $5 million in loans have been distributed to small businesses and 8 million text books have been printed, according to the CPA. New banknotes have replaced currency with ousted president Saddam Hussein�s picture. Local councils have been formed in every city and province. An interim national government promises to hold general elections next January. But this type of good news gets short shrift in a paper such as the Washington Post. In fact, it is quickly put in its place by the following sentence, which leads to two full pages of additional gloom. �But in many key quantifiable areas, the occupation has fallen far short of its goals�. In the end, Mark and I both think the effort to unseat Bush by undermining support for the effort in Iraq will fail. On the other hand, it is likely to be successful in convincing America�s enemies that the nation is divided as to the importance of a establishing a free and friendly Iraq, and that a few more deaths might tip the scales in their favor. As the murderer Osama bin Laden has repeatedly noted, people tend to want to side with the �strong horse.� It is such a shame therefore that the media would put lives at risk by making the American horse look startlingly weak all in the interest of petty partisan politics.
The Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S. entity that has administered Iraq, cites many successes of its tenure. Nearly 2,500 schools have been repaired, 3 million children have been immunized, $5 million in loans have been distributed to small businesses and 8 million text books have been printed, according to the CPA. New banknotes have replaced currency with ousted president Saddam Hussein�s picture. Local councils have been formed in every city and province. An interim national government promises to hold general elections next January. But this type of good news gets short shrift in a paper such as the Washington Post. In fact, it is quickly put in its place by the following sentence, which leads to two full pages of additional gloom. �But in many key quantifiable areas, the occupation has fallen far short of its goals�. In the end, Mark and I both think the effort to unseat Bush by undermining support for the effort in Iraq will fail. On the other hand, it is likely to be successful in convincing America�s enemies that the nation is divided as to the importance of a establishing a free and friendly Iraq, and that a few more deaths might tip the scales in their favor. As the murderer Osama bin Laden has repeatedly noted, people tend to want to side with the �strong horse.� It is such a shame therefore that the media would put lives at risk by making the American horse look startlingly weak all in the interest of petty partisan politics.
Bartlett:
And with the best will in the world, nobody is debating that – as Saddam has now been removed – Iraq should have the best chance to develop an inclusive democratic system with repaired schools and all that other good stuff.
But the argument is whether the Iraq part of the game (to which we are now committed) appropriate given that we were supposedly pursuing a ‘war’ (although really a series of search/destroy operations) against a distributed, highly mobile, ethnically diverse (yet religiously homogeneous), well-funded cell-based terrorist network.
I guess you could argue that at least there is a silver lining to this, which is that one evil psychopath is in custody as is much of his cabal. And his sons are dead which is no bad thing.
But none of this is going to stop Osama bin Laden or his merry band of misguided fuckwits from executing their next outrage, and the world has 160,000 troops (120,000 from your own country) committed to policing the New Iraq until that country has a viable and reliable internal mechanism for maintaining law and order.
And none of this explains why the justification for war has shifted from intelligence suggesting the presence of WMD and links to AQ to the humanitarian need for regime change, no matter how desirable.
A cynic could argue that with a worsening security situation in Saudi Arabia – and arguably only 5-10 years before the House of Saud is deposed – the USA and other countries (mine own included) acted premptively and decisively to ensure that the developed economies do not get held to ransom by fuel at $80/barrel or worse, thus making the fuel crisis of the early Seventies seem like a minor hiccough by comparison.
The fact that the political colonisation of Iraq was also desirable to Israel, and could be justified by virtue of Saddam Hussein’s past crimes is also a happy coincidence, and should serve as a lesson to dictators worldwide that it never pays to get too big for your boots.
We need to be aware of media distortion on all sides: one of Nick Berg’s relatives was interviewed on British television today and he expressed his dismay that the interview he recently gave to ABC had been edited to such an extent that his dissent towards the Bush administration and the prosecution of the war, as well as the anger he and the family felt over the chain of events that led to the death of Nick Berg had been diluted to the point where his opposition was rendered invisible.
I have this (albeit a little late) for all these so-called patriotic Muslim haters:
In another self-criticism after acknowledging widespread suspicion of U.S. motives, Bush said: “When some in my country speak in an ill-informed and insulting manner about the Muslim faith, their words are heard abroad, and do great harm to our cause in the Middle East.”
I play Texas Hold ’em, a typically high stakes poker game. In it, you can go “all in” which means you’re pinning all your hopes on one hand of cards. If you lose that game, you’re done. I liken Bush’s policy in Iraq to going “all in” and not necessarily holding the best cards. The stakes are high, very high, and the risk is also very high. Doesn’t seem like a good, responsible play to me, whereas on the other hand, Afghanistan was.
As for the reporting on the pleasantries going on in Iraq, I would dare say that they are not reporting equally on just how bad it is there. I have a friend who is an officer serving in Iraq who gets pissed off that CNN <B><I>doesn’t<I><B> report on how bad things are. So at least in Mosul, which is where he is currently (which is supposedly one of the better places in Iraq) things are going very rough.
Clinton and most democrats and UN low lifes all concurred that Iraq possessed WMDs and was trying to aquire more. Putin warned the US repeatedly that Saddam was planning terrorist attacks on the US. If Bush hadn’t attacked and Saddam pulled off an attack every one of you tree huggers would be calling for Bushes head on a platter because he did not go after Saddam. You have to start somewhere. US democrats in majority voted to go after Saddam. Now they’re trying to pretend they didn’t. Give Me A Break!!!!! Pathetic. What we are doing in Iraq is the right thing to do. It’s a start to a very long, ugly, battle between nut case muslim terrorists and the US and some of it’s loyal allies. We have to take out each one of these countries that preach terrorism. It could take 100 years but we have to do it. Like it or not. Being nice will not stop the terrorists from attacking us. Get that through your thick heads.
Jay:
Nobody is saying be nice to them, we’re saying fight them, and in order for that to happen you need to be in the same place – as opposed to having 160,000 troops (including Muslims, which is ironic for fuckwits like Jermey) policing the building of someone else’s nation.
I don’t really care what Vladimir Putin or anyone else thinks was going on in Iraq: as far as I’m concerned Putin is an old-fashioned Soviet in a nice suit, and I don’t trust him as far as I could spit him – which I guess makes me more cynical than you, and seemingly less liberal. Also, it would appear that Iraqi dissidents have been deliberately over-blowing the real situation in Iraq in order to bait the West to take action.
As for taking out the countries that preach terrorism, who did you have in mind for the next part of the world tour?
I never said I like or trusted Putin. His country, France, and Germany are the scum of the Earth. I’m glad terrorists are flocking to Iraq. We’ll keep taking them out over there. Better their than here. They are coming here whether or not we attacked Iraq. At least we can bog them down there too. We need to hit Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and whoever else harbors these lunatics. We have no choice. It’s now or later after they nuke 5 major cities on the same day. The UN is totally useless. They want Iran to get nukes. It’s totally pathetic. Like it or not we will continue to lose good soldiers in this fight as well as innocent civilians in the wrong place at the wrong time. Let’s hope we keep fighting hard and taking them out. Once they nuke us the game will change dramatically. We’ll get a lot more vicious.
excuse the typos it’s late and I rushed it out.
Jay:
The problem is that the terrorists are not flocking to Iraq. There are two forces at work in Iraq: religious fundamentalist terrorists – the guys with the egos and the video tapes – and the traditional insurgent – the guys with the roadside bombs and the snipers. The former make statements and want to be seen as liberators of the Islamic world, the latter just want what their country back.
The latter will go away when it is obvious that Iraq is succeeding as a sovereign state, the former won’t go away until women are wearing the burkha and there isn’t a single non-Moslem in the country, although their ability to recruit will diminish as Iraq becomes an economically inclusive country.
Continuing now my carpal tunnel has receeded�
My point being that it isn’t about fighting hard – the USA’s technological superiority makes that redundant – it’s about fighting ‘smart’.
No disrespect meant, but there is an institutional shortcoming with the way US forces operate in respect to assymetrical threats – there simply isn’t the same background and experience about dealing with terrorists that the British and Israelis have developed because of Cyprus, Northern Ireland or the Palestinian issue.
It’s not so much about being Sgt. Rock but more about having the low cunning of Sgt. Bilko, simply because the whole terrorist methodology is based on highly compartmentalised cells that need to be broken from the inside, as opposed to conventional operations where you can use a B-52 or a Tornado to remove an arms or fuel dump from 10,000 feet.
Jay, I also implore you not to get so wound up about the possibility of a nuclear attack: put yourself in the position of some big cheese in Iran or Syria who knows that Hezbollah (or whomever you have funded/sheltered) has the means to deliver even a ‘dirty’ bomb to a Western city; if you let the attack go ahead, you know that when the dust settles (no pun intended) the USA and the UK are likely to attack you in a way that’s going to render your country a wasteland, and you’re going to be having a long holiday in Cuba or Diego Garcia.
Afghanistan is/was different: nobody in Afghanistan had a cushy lifestyle, unlike the guys running the Syrian or Iranian defence or intelligence who’ll know that life will degrade if they allow a disproportionate attack to proceed.
PASS THIS ON… and on… and on!
Don’t sluff this off- read it !
No matter what your political persuasion this is a very sobering reminder. From what I can tell this information�appears to be factual. It makes it worth the read. —–
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You have to read the catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back,re-set the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again.
In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979…that alarm has been ringing for years.
U.S. Navy Captain Phil Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.
�����������������AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
That’s what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been “Get Out of Bed!” In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of
Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil it was an attack that held the world’s most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years.
America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do some thing. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America’s inability to deal with terrorism.
America’s military had been decimated and downsized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.
Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.
In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.
Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.
Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.
The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.
Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.
Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.
Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.
The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.
Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.
The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder. The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?
The Snooze alarm is depressed again. Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.
A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.
They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.
The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors.
Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.
In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn’t know. But if you’ve read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don’t have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since1979.
The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.
America needs to “Get out of Bed” and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.
After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said “…it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant.” This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.
Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn’t have the backbone to do both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.
�Please forward this to as many people as you can especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem quick to protest such a necessary military action.
Who says the people in power in Syria etc., have any say in what the terrorists do if they get their hands on a nuke or other WMD? Those guys are totally insane. They’d use it and Syria or whoever would not be able to stop them.
Jay:
Because, unlike Afghanistan – which was being propped up by Al Qua’ida money (not that it took that much) – Syria and Iran are the funders and shelterers of terrorists who rely on that shelter.
If you think – as you have stated in previous posts in other threads – that the WMD is in Syria or Iran, either of those two countries would have to be seven kinds of nuts to permit their use on an enemy which has already proved that it will attack without mercy both pre-emptively and as a response.
And with the best will in the world, the speech you quote could have been written by a British government talking about Northern Ireland or a Spanish politician talking about ETA or an Italian talking about the Red Brigades.
I have tried to explain to you why I find it incredible (to the point of anger) that America only woke up to the dangers of terrorism during 09/11/01, especially as – even whilst your country and your people were being killed by one bunch of terrrorists – certain elements in your country were funding and supporting other groups to murder the populations of your allies.
Maybe if you read your own post in the context of your compatriots’ cosy romaticised support for Noraid and other ‘freedom fighters’, you’ll understand why I find this sudden need for chest-beating about the need to fight terrorism so absurd and overblown no matter how welcome the conversion to the fact that terrorists are murderers no matter what their nationality or culture.
And please don’t say ‘different times’ to me one more time: they may be different times to you, but to people in places like County Antrim or Warrington or Bilbao or Bologna, it’s just another bunch of madmen on a mission.
Why do you keep sticking up for Syria and Iran??????? They are 7 kinds of nuts and try to call the US’s bluff. We will get to them in good time. It is different times. I’m sorry if that bothers you but it’s a fact. We have to keep hitting the terrorist nations hard and often until the threat is gone. You and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Hopefully no matter who wins what election we all keep wiping out terrorism.
Jay: How you manage to derive that I support Syria or Iran from the quote “Syria and Iran are the funders and shelterers of terrorists who rely on that shelter” I can only wonder.
There is no economic payback to attacking Syria, apart from the fact that it gets you no closer to finding bin Laden, and Iran (which isn’t ethnically Arab coincidentally) will revert to rational democracy given another 5-10 years.
The biggest problems are Saudi Arabia – where we need to promote democracy as a matter of urgency to deny Al Qua’ida the oxygen of disenfranchisement on which it feeds – and the smaller Arab countries like Yemen, as well the Moslem elements of Africa: we need to focus intelligence on those areas.
Anyway, you think hard and often, and I think smart and continuous – so WTF.