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FIRST MAYBE! Go Mossberg

I thought this booting XP would be a bad thing and figured Apple had gone mad. The logic I'm reasoning I'm using is that Apple can prevent a anti-trust lawsuit this way. I'm thinking Apple must have something up its sleeve to think this far ahead.

You'll be missed Dell!... NOT!

Hey, look at me, I am fourth.

(looked like fun so I wanted to join in too)

Walt!!!

This can't be bad for Apple. Mac users will still buy Macs, of course. Now Windows users who would love to use Apple's iLife suite or try OS X can simplly buy a Mac and install the Windows that they already own (or buy a new one, whatever is legal – nudge, nudge, wink, wink). More hardware sales for Apple means more revenue and a larger market share more quickly.

As people experience Mac OS X, they stop using Windows unless they have to. After all, they can't just switch to Windows, you have to restart (not that Windows users mind doing that – they use Windows, after all). But it's a hassle to be avoided if at all possible. So they stay in OS X most of the time, and eventually become Mac users.

By flawlessly I'm sure he means they dont run any crappier than you would normally expect them to on a PC.

TO:
Michael Dull

SUBJECT:
Stockholders

Dear Michael,

Please sell your pathetic company and give the money back to the stockholders.
It's over.

-Steve

PS - Happy Anniversary from Cupertino! LMAO

I have to say, working all day on a piece of sh*t dell with XP, it's like a vacation to come home at night and use my PowerBook with OS X.

If given the choice between the two operating systems, if the user actually gets in and tests both of them, there is no way OS X can lose.

Though this is a tad off topic, i think it's funny- in so many ways

Bill Gates: How I Work

I don't really see how it's a new launch- but funny nonetheless. And such good timing!

Hey, 'MacDude' (where ever you're hiding, err, cowering):

Would you like some CHEESE with that WHINE????

YOU LOSE, BIATCH!!!

Isn't this where Apple, having joined that PC speed test group thingy, show how much quicker Windows runs on Apple hardware that it does on Dulls?!?

They smoke the opposition, sell millions more Macs, and convert users to the Mac experience too boot.

Though I still think running PC apps WITHOUT having to install Windows is the Holy Grail...

And Boot Camp can eventually go the way of Classic.

All I have to say is...I called a Qwest rep once while I was rebooting my Mac (he heard the start up sound). He said "At least you get to use a Mac"(this is while I was at work). Followed by a diatribe about how he loves Apple...Apple/Mac is the future.

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"Mossberg concludes, "Whether you want to run Mac or Windows programs, an Apple computer may be the only computer you'll need.""

Mossberg's got it right. What has effectively happened today is Macintosh ceases to exist. The iMac etc is just another PC - which happens to run this thing call OS X. Hardware-wise - as of today - there IS no Macintosh anymore!

It wont be long before Apple drops the 'Macintosh' brand name altogether - firstly from its hardware and then from its software. The alternative OS that Windows people find on their Apple PC will simply be called Apple OS X.

Why? because 'Macintosh' is just a name - and an old name which has become an obstacle to Apple and its ambitions - with a legacy of negative associations amongst the PC masses that is hard to shift. This is why Apple have held back at throwing millions of dollars "up-hill -advertising"(TM) a product name just to leverage people's perceptions towards - at the very best - a less negative idea of what the "Macintosh" might be. Wouldn't it be better for Apple to rapidly establish a (pedigreed) presence in the PC market and then start REALLY throwing its massive reserves at advertising only "Apple OS X*" (*Apple PC required)?

Expect Windows OS package displays in all Apple Stores soon.

I think Mossberg is blazingly fast!!

The Mac will continue to exist. What will change is the expectation of what a PC can do. Suddenly, those dull boxes do seem dull. This will be interesting.

Yeah Twenty, you got it right -- that would explain why Apple has replaced the "i" in ibook with an emphasis on "mac" in macbook. Freakin moron.

Mossberg concludes, "Whether you want to run Mac or Windows programs, an Apple computer may be the only computer you'll need."

CHECKMATE!


Rock on Steve

... One more thing®

All those boneheads that have been shorting AAPL, how smart do you feel now? Hear that tapping at your chamber door? Yea, it's your broker and they want their stock back.

Next time wear a diaper before you go shorting AAPL and end up pissing yourself.

I am surprised that the state of the art 64-bit architecture can so easily down shift to antiquated Windows 32-bit mode.

The question is: The fans, how are they running now?

Twenty Benson,

I think you might be on to something there. I think it might be better to call it Mac OS. The X part is awkward. People find it gimmicky. I do too. Everyone knows Macintoshes to have Mac OS. They don't care that it's OS X, they just hear that it's been changed in really exciting ways. It is still a Mac though.

I think Apple would be foolish to abandon a brand name as recognised as Macintosh. I don't want them to pull a Napster, but most people who knew the "Classic" Mac OS speaks of Macs with great effection, even if they still don't take them seriously as a Windows alternative since switching to the dark side years ago.

Other people are looking at this as a way to get a Mac, which everyone knows is vastly superior hardware-wise. They know Mac OS is very easy to use and powerful. They do expect compatibility to be an issue though. These people will buy a Mac and dual-boot. They want a Mac, not a fruit.

Besides, Macintosh is a platform, like Newton was. Did they call Newton OS, "Apple OS"? Would they call the OS in an iPod, "Apple OS"? Seems inconsistent to call the Mac OS, "Apple OS X". What's the X for? Ten. It was a bold demarkation from the "Classic" OS. Going forward after Leopard, we will have Mac OS 11. You heard it here first!

My MacBook Pro made an immediate switcher. He's estatic that he'll b able to run Windows stuff on it. I don't even know why. He has a PC at home and berely uses it, it's always broken. The mere perceived ability to run Windows stuff throws down the emotional barrier; the safety net is Windows. The World will soon change.

Maybe Apple is also using this as an anti-trust smokescreen like somethin|Splif posted earlier. Apple will be in a litigation frienzy when they start taking huge chunks of PC marketshare. With their vertical-market model, there's no room for Dell et al in the ecosystem. A self-sustaining organism has no competition. Smart people with lots of money are going to work very hard to prevent the Apple PC-market takeover by mudslinging and lawsuits.

In the meantime, we'll get Leopard. There's been some crazy rumors out there, but I never believed Apple would make such a deep thought into the dual-booting Windows problem. If you haven't done it, you don't know. Apple has put a dynamic partitioning program in the Boot Camp setup. It does everything in a couple simple steps. The hardest part is remembering which end of the CD goes up!

When Windows converts get a Mac and see how easy it is to do what is expected to be a very difficult task, they will think real hard about what they are doing installing Windows. They'll start to poke around and see what else is there.

I expect a Windows convert getting their Mac and turning it on. After the initial setup they'll just stare at the screen for a while wondering what the fsck (they won't know that command) to do next. They might find the Applications folder, or they might find the spotlight symbol. They might type in "Boot Windows" and find Boot Camp. finding and using Boot Camp will be so shocking that they will be very curious about what else these Macs do. Appreciation will grow with each application they discover.

well naybe some Window using plebs will find it compelling, however I will not bother with Windows...

The iSight doesnt work! Apple said that a USB keyboard is required but my bluetooth is working right now! I just let windows search the internet for the driver, it found it, installed it and it worked.

I installed this whole mess just to play Half Life 2

I've seen a couple headlines saying Apple uses Windows now. It made me cringe. This is bad, very bad.

Those headlines will bring attention. It's all good.

Apple should release the iWheel for cars. It would have to be something like this:

http://customwheel.com/custom_wheels/pimpstar.html

Read it for free here:

http://ptech.wsj.com/ptech.html

all i really feel like adding to all of this is, am i the only one who noticed that apple does microsoft's windows flag logo better than microsoft does?

MW: met. apple's boot camp software was met with mixed feelings.

"or start up, the Mac in either operating system"

I've thought of Mac as the software, now THE MAC is hardware. Time to adjust my identity settings.

At last Gates can go to the next CES and give a demo that doesn't end with the Blue Screen of Death - by using a Mac !!

Ya' gotta stop saying "Good-Bye Dell" everytime Apple is mentioned in the news. I'm a Mac Fanatic, but I'm able to see that other companies do some pretty amazing stuff sometimes too, better than Apple.

For instance, Dell UltraSharp LCD's consistently beat Apple displays when they are compared head to head. The reasoning is usually that they offer the same picture quality (Dell maybe a bit better), but Dell offers more inputs (DVI, component, analog, etc) and a lower price. I use them for graphics design and work, and I find them top notch.

This is a small example (honestly, specifically between Dell and Apple, that may be the ONLY one), but it goes to show that there are smart people working for other companies, and they will probably survive in the face of tribulation. Deep down, I bet Dell and HP are just begging for Apple to weaken the Microsoft hegemony, because not having an 800lb Gorilla in the ring makes it easier for many more companies to innovate and profit.

I just reread my post, and dang is it scatterbrained.

bill gates really sounded like a looooooooser in that article.

Commercial script for Apple:

1. It runs your old Windows applications and games blazingly fast (images showing lots of new pc games cut together)
2. It runs all modern software on the state of the art Mac OS Leopard operating system (images showing Final cut, Aperture, Motion, iLife, iWork)
3. We present The Mac family - The best of two worlds. (A parade of beautiful hardware passes by, iMac, Macbook, Macbook Pro, Mac Pro)
4. Apple

Twentybenson - I look to the day when the Windows operating system becomes an option to order installed when one buys a Mac....er, Apple computer.

Not to mention all the PC games available one can now run (that are not avaialable for the Mac) one can also run:
Microsoft Access, Outlook and Publisher; ACT!; Adobe Photoshop Album; Microsoft Money; Family Tree Maker; Microsoft Flight Simulator; Microsoft Age of Empires, Expression, Xara vector illustration program.

Plus Quicken for Windows is better than the Mac version.
Moho animation program runs faster on PC than Mac.
(Plus you can run all the anti-virus and adware programs )

Any other Windows-only programs we can now run???

"Blazingly Fast" - This term sucks. MacMall (arguably the worst and most crooked Mac mailorder company) has been plastering "Blazingly Fast" on their catalogs for over 10 years. Can't we come up with some new descriptive language?

but most people who knew the "Classic" Mac OS speaks of Macs with great effection, even if they still don't take them seriously as a Windows alternative since switching to the dark side years ago.

God I HATED the old MacOS. It was a better interface than Windows, but try doing more than one thing and the whole thing would crash or come to a halt, manually managing memory, ugh. I was thrilled when Apple went with a *nix, and jumped over soon after.

"From: OzzysCross101
Though this is a tad off topic, i think it's funny- in so many ways

Bill Gates: How I Work"

Ozzy that was great but I don't understand how the richest man in the world fills his office with Dell computers. Of course the article said that all he does all day is meet people and answer email. So I guess that's all he needs.

Ray, the Intel Macs are not 64 bit (yet).

If people loved windows xp so much they'd stick to their current pc or an affordable $500 dell pc.

I did not want or need Windblows before, I do not want or need it now.
There is no way in hell I will screw my computer up by letting it get infested with all the virus, trojan, malware, spyware crap that will certainly start popping up on those XP partitions.
It is only a matter of time before someone is able to screw with the Mac partition from something they slipped in from the XP partition.

djenurm,

The iSight will probably never work as I don't expect Apple to make a windows driver for the iSight camera.

As for the bluetooth, Apple said you needed a usb keyboard for the install as the windows installer does not support bluetooth. Once installed, bluetooth should work fine.

4 apple users that want to run games or other pc only software.

Dell won't disappear. Corporate America will continue to buy Dell. Dell may lose some home users, but many of them just see what they use at office and buy same thing. Unless, smart IT realize most employee really only need Mac mini core duo or even solo. May be Apple just need TO
introduce black version of Mac mini to break into the corporate world (That will be nice. Mac mini with Dell's black monitor and keyboard. I can live with that.)