“Al Gore won a Nobel Prize and an Oscar for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. But in the last three months, as global warming has gone from a scientific near-certitude to the subject of satire, Gore — the public face of global warming — has been silent on the topic,” Koprowski reports. “The former vice president apparently finds it inconvenient even to answer calls to testify before the U.S. Senate. You can call him Al… but he won’t call back.”
“On Tuesday, Oklahoma Sen. James Inhofe — a prominent skeptic of global warming theory and the Republican leader of the Senate’s Environment and Public Works Committee — issued a request for Gore to come testify on global warming,” Koprowski reports. “In an interview with FoxNews.com, Inhofe said he wants Gore to appear because ‘it will be interesting to ask him on what science he based his movie,’ a film the senator considers ‘science fiction.'”
“Gore has yet to respond, but that didn’t prevent him from causing a stir at Apple’s shareholder meeting Thursday. According to CNET, Gore was seated in the first row while several stockholders bashed his high-profile views on climate change. One reportedly said Gore ‘has become a laughingstock. The glaciers have not melted,'” Koprowski reports. “Gore did not reply, and he has not commented on his blog or Twitter feed.”
“Since his appearance at the Copenhagen climate summit in December, Gore has been reluctant to talk to the media, making only a handful of public appearances,” Koprowski reports. “On Jan. 16, he spoke at the American Library Association conference at the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center, and he signed copies of his newest book, Our Choice: How We Can Solve the Climate Crisis. On Feb. 22, at the IBM Pulse Conference in Las Vegas, Gore commented on how the environment was a fantastic business opportunity.”
“The media, meanwhile, have started to ask why the world’s most famous advocate of all things green remains mute on the growing chorus of opposition,” Koprowski reports. “‘The godfather of climate hysteria is in hiding as another of his wild claims unravels — this one about global warming causing seas to swallow us up,’ the editors of Investors Business Daily wrote on Tuesday. ‘We’ve not seen or heard much of the former vice president, Oscar winner and Nobel Prize recipient recently as the case for disastrous man-made climate change collapses.'”
Full article here.
Erica Ogg reports for CNET, ” Apple’s attitude on environmental and sustainability issues was one of the main concerns of the stockholders present Thursday, followed closely by the company’s immense pile of cash. But early harsh comments about former Vice President Al Gore’s record set the tone.”
“Gore was seated in the first row, along with his six fellow board members, in Apple’s Town Hall auditorium as several stockholders took turns either bashing or praising his high-profile views on climate change,” Ogg reports. “At the first opportunity for audience participation just several minutes into the proceeding, a longtime and well-known Apple shareholder–some would say gadfly–who introduced himself as Shelton Ehrlich, stood at the microphone and urged against Gore’s re-election to the board. Gore ‘has become a laughingstock. The glaciers have not melted,’ Ehrlich said, referring to Gore’s views on global warming. ‘If his advice he gives to Apple is as faulty as his views on the environment then he doesn’t need to be re-elected.'”
“Another shareholder immediately got up to defend Gore and endorse his presence as an Apple director. And that wasn’t the end of it. Two different proposals from shareholders were presented in regard to Apple’s environmental impact,” Ogg reports. “Both proposals were ultimately rejected by shareholders.”
“Despite his apparently polarizing nature, Gore was re-elected with the rest of the slate in preliminary results. Proposals regarding changes to an employee stock plan, directors’ stock options, an advisory vote on executive compensation, and selection of Ernst & Young as Apple’s public accounting firm were all passed to complete the official business portion of the event,” Ogg reports. “One shareholder asked if Apple might consider investing in electric-car maker Tesla. To that, Jobs replied he was planning on throwing ‘a toga party’ with the money instead.”
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: The results of a poll regarding Al Gore that we ran January 12-17, 2010 are below. We’ve put it up again fresh (top left column of the “big” (non-mobile) site) to see if there’s any appreciable difference now, six weeks later.
He’s dying a slow death.
Like Microsoft and Palm.
Fun to watch…especially from the record snow falls.
“the editors of Investors Business Daily”… yes, THE experts in climate science.
Why won’t Al Gore face his skeptics if he’s so confident in the data he used? Hiding like a coward only reinforces the view that you’re a scam artist who helped deceive the world into believing the myth of global warming for financial gain.
The record snow falls ARE due to global warming. More water evaporates from the oceans, leading to more clouds, leading to more snowfall. This is also the reason for more and more destructive tropical storms.
Steve Picked him, he was re approved, he brings a lot to the board. – He staying – deal with it.
Coulda been a contendah.. Coulda been Prssident Algore. Shucks
@Me in LA
“especially from the record snow falls.”
Once again, those ignorant on climate science and their inability to read long term trends cling on tiny short-term analysis fed by those who want you to remain stupid. “Oh look, today was the coldest day ever, there is no climate change!” Idiots.
@Breeze – is that hot breeze or cool breeze? Let us know, ’cause you obviously drank the Kool-Aid™
Gore’s a joke… No idea why he’s still on Apple’s board.
@ George: Oh boy. More “it has to get cold before it gets hot” guys.
What you and the other followers lack friend is the SCIENCE that goes back 1000’s of years to read CO2 levels and heat levels.
Your single-point data charts have fallen faster than Kirstie Alley’s diet.
Al’s hiding because the “science” is junk.
Idiots indeed.
Dump that clown and his Nobel sidekick Hussein.
They are both total dumbasses.
Just switched my home page to 9to5mac.com. MDFN is gone from my Macs and gone from my iPhone. It’s the Apple news I need with out this unnecessary right wing slant.
Dudes, just get it over with and change your name to MacDailyFoxNews.
Looking to Gore, of all things a politician for crying out loud, for explanation of such a complex matter as planetary climate change as a result of human activity, is inappropriate.
I suggest that you read Scientific American or some other scientific magazine or paper and look for answers there. You will find that scientist’s consensus is there, and the strong winter we are currently experiencing in Northern hemisphere is actually well explained by the global warming theory. Surprised? Then stop listening to celebrities, start reading what REAL experts in this matter have to say.
I’m in Toronto and we’ve basically had no snow this year. Only substantial snow was this past week. We usually get hit hard from Dec-Feb. Laugh all you want but the photos of glaciers disappearing do not lie.
I’m amazed at the level of scorn directed at Al Gore. You don’t have to believe him but he has contributed much to your country.
I just have to laugh at all the DC politicians who say global warming is a myth because of the snow on the east coast. Meanwhile there is no snow out west and we’re having one of the warmest winters on record. Even if one year could be a valid measure, globally, these arguments are ridiculous. Oh, I forgot, “global” refers to DC to our national politicians.
LMFAO @ phredcat!
You pinko-commie libtards are all about free speech until someone disagrees with your bullshit.
This is here for fun.
Get over yourself already!
Me In LA:
I made the cool aid
You ever seen that kind of Holywood Movie where nobody will believe that something terrible is going to happen soon. The whole town is against the idea and the people holding power stir up the ante………
Then it happens…….
What’s really funny is that there’s this monkey species that needs the threat of world-wide disaster to stop crapping all over its own back yard. Take only pictures and leave only footprints, people.
And to add one more thing. You folks have high praise for Jobs yet you keep putting Gore down. Do you think Gore would be on the board if Jobs didn’t think he was a valuable member?
@Me In LA: “What you and the other followers lack friend is the SCIENCE”
I’m a scientist – degree in Molecular Biology. I have many friends who are climate and geology scientists and who contribute regularly to peer review scientific journals.
Care to tell me what SCIENCE we are lacking in? Feel free to be as SCIENTIFIC as you like. The long term climate charts give a precise picture – the globe is warming.
Hey, Flat-Earthers, check out NASA’s recent article:
‘2009: ‘Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade.’
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html
@Me In LA
It’s nice to be all high an mighty about global warming in the winter. But the summer heat/humidity here in DC was bat $hit insane!! I’m calling Spectre, Dr. Claw and Cobra together to build a giant doomsday fan.
Thank goodness Apple doesn’t listen to silly poll results, or any polls, I’d say. There aren’t many corporations I have much confidence in, and in fact, Apple is about the only one for which I do.
It’s too bad they named it global warming, since that short name to make it memorable also made it vulnerable to kooks in the pay of energy companies and fox news con artists to fool as many as possible.
And really, anyone who sources a report on something from Fox news is just asking to be treated like a rube. People watch that channel with the purpose of being misinformed, even if they’re not conscious of it.
As I am not American, I was never so interested in Al Gore as a person. Haven’t seen his movie either, and I am not sure about global warming – I just see the ice in the mountains here in Switzerland is melting quickly, for whatever reason. We had a strong winter this year, but there is a difference between “weather” and “climate” of course. In the end, I can say: I don’t know…
But the other thing is, we shouldn’t stay with oil driven cars, we should always look for a better solution. If it is for political reasons (supporting governements that hate our style of life by buying oil from them), or clima or whatever – to stay with a bad system when there are alternatives out there is like the IT-doofus staying with windows instead moving to something better. The same ignorance… I hope for you Americans that the big car companies will invest in R&D;, because if they don’t, other countries will. I wait for Steve Jobs’ iCar…
Urgh! Global warming or climate change means that weather patterns will become more erratic and extremes more common as average global temperatures continue to increase. It does not mean that periods of cold will diminish.
It is in everyone’s interest to clean up the way humans live on this planet. As they say – don’t shit in your own nest!
phredcat
Would it have been OK if Al Gore was cheered at the meeting and MDN reported it?
Similarly, if someone as controversial from the right were on the board, would it be accepted that he should leave, making it a business decision, and warranting the MDN blog discussion?
Bottom line to me, I used to think Gore did bring a lot to the board, but because of his choices, he mainly brings baggage.
Anyone that states a position and then declares that the argument is settled on any science is delusional.
Your an ass….. I’m going to stop reading MDN… If your that stupid.
The simple minded grasp at simple explanations of complex phenomenon. And Fox panders to the simple minded so well.
As for the MDN “poll”: 99% of people who think like me agree with me
Al Gore won a Nobel Prize and an Oscar.
He deserved it.
Jobs likes him.
He stopped growing tobacco on his farm
He is honest and decent.
Only a moron would not appreciate Gore.
Here’s to the controversial. Those with what it takes to make difficult decisions. Those who don’t look at opinion polls to tell them what they should think.
Guys, please give the rest of the civilized world a note before you start burning witches again.
At the rate you’re going, the religious right wing inquisition will supersede actual science done at the best of your universities and laboratories at any moment now.
Apple has always been a liberal-minded, curious and science-oriented bunch, with Jobs being unequivocal about it being intrinsic to what they do and why they’re doing it.
If you want to go back to the dark ages, please leave Apple alone – we’ll gladly take it off your hands.
What a shame.
P.S.: The worldwide glaciers keep melting down at the same rather alarming pace as we speak – with only a handful of exceptions which don’t contradict the trend. But by all means, don’t let inconvenient facts get in the way of convenient delusion.
George,
It’s not about whether the earth’s average global temperatures are warming, it’s about the cause (see: Sun activity) and whether or not we should flush billions of dollars down the drain and into the pockets of people like Gore while changing nothing.
The whole anthropological global warming movement is designed to separate cash from the gullible. That’s why the data was faked, lost, and/or massaged beyond recognition.
Most of the posts here about Gore and especially about climate change remind me of a little plaque that my grandfather had on his wall:
“Vy iz der zo miny more orziz azzes dan der iz orziz?”
The old guy was pretty smart after all.
How long have the glaciers been melting?
And the snow-lines/levels been receding?
Here’s a hint: 1000’s of years. The geologic records show this.
Now, call me crazy, but people have been impacting the atmosphere how long?
When did the industrial revolution begin?
The same guys that say “this cold winter means shit” are the same ones screaming “this has been the hottest summer ever!”
@ georgie porgie and phredepuss
-the so-called ‘warming’ data was based on false readings! the tree ring data that d bag gore used was selectively biased! al gore is financially vested in promoting global warming, and has even said its ‘good business’!! the earth is cooling despite continued increases in CO2!! are you two retarded? delusional? in denial? all of the above? i would be fine with you living in your own crazy world but its dip shits like you that are making bs like cap and trade a possibility, and furthermore, you’re HURTING the environment by taking attention and resources away from REAL environmental problems such as habitat loss, invasive species……please save the planet for us by stopping to exhale your toxic CO2!
MDN hit-whoring again. Sigh.
There is BIG MONEY is global warm–, uh, pardon me, climate change. That’s what’s pushing it. That’s the basis of Al Gores hedge fund empire.
NASA still thinks the Space Shuttle is “cutting edge”. They’ve trotted out the same horse sine the 70’s.
Wall Street WANTS IT TO BE TRUE becaue they will “market” this boondoggle. The government NEEDS IT TO ASSUME MORE POWER.
Green projects means BEN FRANKLIN green, but the big money will go the the well-positioned Moneychangers. Christ knew what he was doing when he beat them with a whip…..
There was a “little” 300-year ice age in the late middle ages, before that, it was warmer than today. Egypt used to be the breadbasket of the Roman Empire; Cleopatra and Mark Anthony tried to restrict grain from Rome which led to their pursuit and defeat by Julius Caesar. Maybe these Ph.D. “climatologists” should read a history book once in a while…or at least watch better TV; like Ben Stein’s latest documentary (sorry, forgot title, but you never heard of it, did you? Didn’t think so…).
I’m with ‘Me in LA’… I’m sitting here in my office and it’s gotta be around 65 degrees here… I actually have to wear a jacket because I feel a cool breeze coming out of the vents over my head… How can there be global warming when I’m feeling cold air on me!!! You libtards are clueless…
So your Global warming skeptics… if you’re right, we do nothing and it’s all a hoax, great. BUT… WHAT IF YOU’RE WRONG? WHAT DO WE DO THEN? WHAT is the negative to actually take care of this planet? OUR ONE HOME NO LESS! Tired of the skeptics especially that weird things are happening everywhere in the world.
The weather changes. It always has. There was Global Warming before fossil fuels were discovered. See the Medieval Warm Period which is well documented, except among scientist who have a goal to “hide the increase” like the Global Warming advocates that Gore relies on. CO2 does nothing to effect the climate. CO2 is about 1-2 % of the total greenhouse gas total. Most is water vapor. CO2 is vital to life. Plants need CO2 to survive. The scientists who signed on to this are seeking government payments – and subscribing to Global Warming is the only way to get grant money. Greed and dishonesty are at least as common among “scientists” as is the case with politicians and union heads. And that is saying a lot.
John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, presents an excellent history of the development of the political scam known as anthropological global warming: The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam.
The Global Warming myth is less about science than about a confluence of political agendas mascarading as science.
@Me in LA
Greenland’s ice sheet has been there for between 400,000 to 800,000 years. According to the GRACE satellite, which measures shifts in the Earth’s gravity field and records data of Greenland’s ice mass shows that Greenland’s Ice Loss is accelerating at the rate of 30 Gigatonnes/Year Squared. In other words, Greenland’s mass loss doubled in only 9 years.
In other words for all the deniers out there, the human impact on Earth’s climate WILL cause catastrophic global sea level rises due to the melting Ice Mass before the end of this century. Thanks to our lack of effort to reduce out impact, we WILL have sea level rises of 7 metres or more.
Or to put it in Fox-speak: the human race is fucking screwed. Global Climate Change is caused by man and because of stupid idiots like you, we’re not doing enough to stop it. The tipping point is about to be reached.
Ok, let’s set something straight.
All the people pointing to this being the warmest decade on record aren’t mentioning that that is based off satalite geothermic recording that has only been going on since the late 70’s, (the decade where we were headed into an ice age because of greenhouse gasses). If you believe in the thirty to fourty year weather wave cycle, of course the 00’s are the warmest. I would like to see a real scientific study on global warning, not one that has a political intention with a predetermined answer.
All hail the Fox News Spin Machine.
Holy s***t; all you people are bloody pathetic…looks like MDN finally has the reactionary ass****les who agree with them truly ruling the comment roost…
Check please…I’m wanted back on planet Earth
“All hail the Fox News Spin Machine.”
I believe FoxNews was started around 1997 or so.
This argument has been going on way longer than that….ever since we had to worry about global cooling in the mid 70s.
Maybe you are just too young to realize that the people who watch Fox now were able to think outside the spin before then. We were the ones that didn’t buy into what ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS told us.
The left seems to be all about diversity, until it comes to ideas.
I don’t really know whether global warming is happening or not. I may be a physicist, but it isn’t my area of speciality. And the available data seems statistically complex and open to multiple interpretations. But I will say that any theory which seems able to explain all possible phenomena without fear of failure is not true science. Karl Popper may not (as some claim) have found the golden key to defining science, but he was probably edging towards something very useful with his Falsifiability Criterion. So those in the pro-warming gang may need to adjust their ‘it’s hot, which proves global warming, it’s cold, which proves global warming, it’s wet . . . it’s dry . . . there are more hurricanes. . . there are fewer hurricanes etc. etc. …all of which which prove global warming’ schtick. It’s undermining their case with anyone even half aware of the demands science makes on ideas before they can qualify as reasonably secure theories. Obviously the rabid ‘antis’ aren’t much better, but there you go.
“Global Warming: It is a hoax. It is bad science. It is high-jacking public policy. It is the greatest scam in history.” — John Coleman, founder of The Weather Channel, February 11, 2009
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html
@MDN Who is the hit whore now!
@X “Dump that clown and his Nobel sidekick Hussein.”
They know a hell of a lot more than you ever will, Bozo.
@chris f, please educate yourself:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/science/explained/explained5.html
There are three centres which calculate global-average temperature each month.
Met Office, in collaboration with the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UK)
Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is part of NASA (USA)
National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), which is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) (USA)
Guys, just a hint: Getting your CO2 production down simultaneously gets you out from your doggie-style position relative to the oil-producing countries. But at least some of you seem awfully comfortable that way, don’t you?
Is that of no interest to you whatsoever? Even if you seem unable to distinguish between heavily money-boosted corporate lobbying and actual (if complicated and sometimes partially(!) flawed) science?
In your misguided glee about Al Gore getting ostracized by some of your equally uninformed peers you are cheering for nothing but trying to get screwed yourself even more thoroughly in more than just one way.
But why should I complain? You are clamoring for leaving all the future-energy technologies to us and to the asian countries. We’ll gladly sell these to you, at a decent price, of course.
Given that you’re eager to abandon scientific research on your own, someone will have to take up the slack…
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LMAO. Satellites measuring glacial recession.
How long have satellites been around?
How many periods of extreme heat and cold has the earth experienced in 5 billion years?
We had this new ice age predicted in the 1970s. Never happened.
What you political whores fail to recognize is that this sham is making some folks a shitload of money, while killing the livelihood of others.
If you just said and promoted doing things for the planet as the right thing to do, it would be different.
I do all the things I can to do my part. I’d get solar on my house if it wasn’t so insanely overpriced and ugly.
I’d drive a car that ran on hydrogen if it was here and I could afford it.
I recycle.
I turn my lights off.
But I refuse to be bullied and bullshitted into buying this crap.
The “tree data” was based on ONE TREE!
These guys are falling weekly. If your theory is solid and your data likewise, then don’t bullshit.
Until then, it’s algorites making billions off of the scare-tactics.
Visionaries are often mocked …
Perhaps you should travel to the Southern hemisphere before you pass your final damning judgements against Al Gore.
Americans really are the dumbest developed people on Earth.
Also, to HueyLong and others using the term ‘deniers’ . . . good god. As I said, I really don’t know whether global warming is happening or not, and I seriously doubt anyone on the planet truly does. But surely the arguments of the ‘pro’ lobby aren’t so weak they have to invoke the shade of the Holocaust to bolster them? And that’s even before we bring in the basic issue of insensitivity and taste.
they used to say ignorance is bliss….now it’s a fscking epedemic
Ooops, sorry for the double post. It didn’t register the first one for a bit, so I sent the truncated second. Which is actually more succinct! How handy!
Haven’t you guys been paying attention!!! The Earth isn’t warming, it’s freezing!! The right-wingers are right! How can there be global warming when the east coast of the US, it’s completely frozen. It’s most certainly got to be due to the green movement of the past couple years helping reduce carbon emissions and throwing the climate out of whack… The only way we can save ourselves is that we need to start polluting more to re-warm the Earth and bring the climate back into balance! C’mon! Who’s with me!!! Let’s go pollute!!!
@ Gil Bates
“More water evaporates from the oceans, leading to more clouds, leading to more snowfall.”
A vacuous comment. All that you could use your argument for is increased precipitation. You can’t use it as an argument for global warming/climate change/or whatever you want to call it now, when this has been the third COLDEST winter on record.
Al can’t respond.
He’s too busy selling used cards and life insurance again.
I called him a fraud when he came out with his nonsense. He obviously did it to make a lot of money at the expense of “truth”.
How inconvenient!
“Americans really are the dumbest developed people on Earth.”
Do you really think that helps your position?
First off, you assume that there are ‘undeveloped’ people.
Whoops, sounds a little racist to me.
Does that include your Southern Hemisphere friends?
I guess elitism gives you a very warm feeling, but it is a real turn off to some.
All politics aside, what does Gore bring to the board?
Seriously. I am not being facetious. I am not sure what he brings to the table.
Members of Congress are demanding (1) recall the Nobel, (2) recall the Oscar, (3) investigate Algore for possible criminal violations.
Altogether, these things have made Algore the nation’s first green Billionaire and now we see it was all a fraud.
Of what possible benefit could there be to Apple of having him on their board? Steve loyalty to a fellow liberal is all I can think of.
Hey Fsckhead in LA:
I was merely pointing out that I’m switching to a bias free Mac news site. If you think about it, this entire article is based on one single stockholder making his dislike of Al Gore and his warnings of climate change public on the Apple campus. That was picked up by Fox news, and thus became fodder for Mac Daily News and its patently obvious right wing slant. It makes this tech site a political site, and I’m done with them.
So here’s some free speech for ya:
Once you pull your head out of Glenn Beck’s anal-cysted, coke encrusted ass, you might some day realize that it is in fact you who is drinking the proverbial Kool Aid. Frankly, I don’t give a shit. Live in your little “the world is flat” fantasy land. I prefer reason over ignorance.
Learn something, caveman:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-february-10-2010/unusually-large-snowstorm
I will take you Global Warming nuts more seriously when you stop being complete hypocrites. If fossil fuels are killing the world – then you quit using all oil products. Live your beliefs. I think oil is one of the most phenomenal resources we have been given. It has countless uses all of which improve our quality of life. There could not be Apple computers without oil products. We could not manufacture and distribute Apple products with oil. And we have been blessed with lots of oil – we don’t have to get it from Mideast countries – we just have to intelligently use the resources that we have in our country. That means we have to stop allowing the environmental fascists from preventing us from using our own natural resources. These environmental extremists stop us from extracting our own resources – all while they happily consume oil products every day of their sorry existence. True hypocrites. If you don’t believe in oil – stop using now in all its forms or shut up.
@ george
i wouldnt be too confident in those numbers:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7026317.ece
@ concerned european
as much as i wish wind and solar worked well (to reduce pollutants and dependance on foreign governments), they are currently very very expensive. however, even with this deficit, there is a lot more that the powers that be could be doing but are not, not because they cant, but because they wont, because they are still building support from ‘concerned’, dare i say gullible, citizens while they work to maintain control of the energy supply. this CO2 business is a load of bullshit and nothing more than a power and money grab while claiming moral superiority.
@Me In LA
Metorology is not the same as climateology.
I know those are big words, and they don’t normally use those kind of big words on Fox News, but the internet is full of resources for you to learn. Please use them.
@Me in LA
“LMFAO @ phredcat!
You pinko-commie libtards are all about free speech until someone disagrees with your bullshit.
This is here for fun.
Get over yourself already!”
Steve’s a progressive and disagrees utterly and completely with you. Burn.
I think you might find a soulmate in Michael Dell though. There is a place for you in the Windows 7 firmament. Fascist…. tard.
phredcat
FoxNews? I first saw this on Apple Investor News with this link
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-10459872-260.html
I didn’t realize CNET was run by right-wing assholes….
its no wonder the global warming pushers attract the support of pretentious d bags **cough** phredcat **cough** **cough**
I find the irony staggering – Mac-fans who should be the first people questioning conventional wisdom, manipulation by monopoly corporations and backwards-oriented, stale preconceptions and who should be the first to acknowledge that sometimes the crazy ones, the ones who are getting vilified, who are trying to change things, to push the human race forwards are the ones who may just have a point that merited closer examination.
How you, of all people, can be the ones whose first impulse is to tar and feather anyone who questions the status quo is so mindbogglingly ironic that words fail me to to do it justice.
Maybe you should simply call it a day and switch back to a PC. That should be a much more comfortable fit, with its stale, backwards-minded, conventional and corporate-controlled mindset.
For some who have not entirely dimmed their minds, this might be a reminder what Apple is actually about:
Enjoy.
YouTube – Apple – Think Different – Original Ad
tower **cough** tone **cough** **cough**
Sorry, when your main scientist can’t find his data.
when your main scientist backtracks on the hockey stick graph.
when your main scientist backtracks on the sea levels rising.
when much of your temperature readings have moved to cities over the last few decades.
…and you forget to include temps from the rural area or from colder countries.
YOU LOSE CREDIBILITY!
Global warming is a LIE.
Follow the money.
@phredcat
your source for reason is the daily show? And somehow it is not suprising at all.
@macromancer
both fields are doing extensive research into global climate change. Seems like you would perfer to get into an argument about terminolgy because you can’t debate on the actual issue.
@Macromancer
Since you know big words so well you obviously know small words like “lies”. That is what the CRU at East Anglia and Michael Mann of Penn State spun in their documented intentional effort to fabricate “science” to support their Global Warming theory. The lies of the CRU are now documented. Phil Jones has stepped down – he was the main scientific arbiter of the debate. So has the UN Climate chief. Are you unaware of the these facts. These facts about lies seem to have escaped your attention. Please do research in the future and learn the truth before spewing your uninformed tripe.
I’d prefer a warm sunny day rather than a cold dark dreary winter day. My food supply would like it, too. Go Global Warming!
BTW, I think more people die from the cold rather than the heat so I wonder what the real motive is.
And sometimes my heating bill is higher than my electric bill (heating vs cooling).
@ effete european
youre ability to delude yourself is what is truly staggering my friend
you didn’t get the memo? anthropogenic global warming IS the new conventional wisdom. just ask your buddy al and, sadly, our President, who say that the debate is over and that you should just accept it. even their biggest promoters, e.g. al gore, refuse to have an open debate, and in fact actively stifle debate. why dont you do me a favor and go try to act important somewhere else. cheers!
Al Gore made a lot of money talking about climate change. He won some serious awards and made a ton of money in the process.
The science behind climate change is now under serious dispute. I hope Al brings his data to the forefront and lets his science speak for itself.
I’m more worried about Global COOLING. You read right. Global cooling. In the history of the earth’s formation and evolution, at one time or another, the Earth has been, in essential chronological order:
1. A large ball of molten lava
2. Frozen solid
3. Almost completely covered in water
4. Highly tropical with dense rain forests
5. Covered to a significant degree by vast sheets of ice (the Ice Age)
6. The world as we have known it for the past 2-3,000 years
Whether we suffer global warming or not, this current epoch is a mere short break between ice ages. Scientists agree on this. Whatever mess we make of the world at the moment (and we’re doing a spiffy job of it too, I might add), GLOBAL WARMING WON’T MATTER. Why? Because even if we can save the world, so to speak, in 10,000 years or so, the Earth will enter another Ice Age. That’s not a threat or conjecture. This WILL happen. And not because of Al Gore or any of the rest of us. It’s a simple scientific fact.
I don’t want to enter the fray over who is right or wrong on the question of global warming except to conjecture that everyone is probably wrong, pro and con. The data used completely sucks. But when looking at macro trends in the earth’s climate change long-term, my weather forecast calls for inhospitable cold of a duration that will wipe all human life away. So enjoy the relatively warm weather while you can.
“The glaciers have not melted,’ Ehrlich said”
What a load. Pictures of glaciers in Alaska and Greenland, going back many decades, show exactly that – and it has been accelerating. Not to mention the unprecedented seasonal shrinking of ice in the Arctic Circle, as well as the constant cleaving of record setting burgs in Antactica, and the disappearance of the snows of Kilimanjaro in Africa.
Anyone saying that the earths glaciers, everywhere on Earth, aren’t melting at rates never before seen in recorded history doesn’t know what he or she is talking about.
If you want to fall back on the “Yeah, but we don’t know it’s because of US” argument, the ice cores of those very same areas show what the atmosphere of our planet was like going back long before recorded history, as well as temperatures (indicated by less snowfall). The corollation between rising levels of CO2 being followed by rising temperatures is indisputable in those cores, as is the dramatic – and again, unprecedented – rise in both CO2 levels and temperatures after the Industrial Revolution.
So at some level, and regardless of whatever the Sun may or may not be doing, our best evidence strongly suggests that human industrial activity is affecting our climate.
I think what kills me the most – at least recently – about those who fervently want to believe either that our burning of fossil fuels is irrelevant to this change in climate, or that the change is not happening, is that they typically use the argument that 30 or 40-some years of obvious warming is not NEARLY enough time (geologically speaking) to prove it to be a trend, and yet this ONE WINTER of cold temperatures is more than enough to disprove it.
Truly and without doubt, the hardest of the hard core conservatives in this country are the most hypocritical and intellectually stupid part of the human race.
I guess it’s really global cooling… would that be about right for all you hot air blowing right wingers? That’s why the cherry trees bloomed in early February here in Oregon… right? That’s why it has reached 60F on Mt. Hood in January, right? And that’s why it was 60F up at Whistler during part of the Olympics and they had to truck all the snow in for the events… right? None of that really matters, right? Only thing that matters is the weather event right in your own back yard… oh yeah, we got snow in the Northeast during winter… holy shit! There ain’t no way global warming could be anything but an Al Gore scam…right??
Dumb asses. Seriously…!
chris f: you didn’t get the memo?
Oh, we got the “memo” from the oil corporations as well over here – we just stuck with our scientists instead.
As difficult, sometimes confusing and even partially contradictory science can be, it is what has given you the computer you’re reading this one, among many, many other things. And many parts of the foundation your computer has been created on are much less solid than the case for climate change.
Another random thought: With you and the oil corporations on one side, almost the entire scientific community, most of the global political community, Al Gore, Steve Jobs and Apple on the other – how far does your conviction go that it is actually the small minority of scientists (most of them from non-climate-research fields) and the oil industry, of all people, who have the more objective view on climate change?
It’s not the reason why I see things the way I see it, but I’m with Jobs, Gore and most of the rest of the world.
When has it last been a smart thing to bet on Steve Jobs being wrong when he seems to know what he’s doing while others keep ridiculing his position…?
I like this website a LOT LESS when the topic turns to politics.
@phredcat – excellent. One less libtard on this site.
“all you hot air blowing right wingers….Only thing that matters is the weather event right in your own back yard… oh yeah, we got snow in the Northeast during winter.”
I didn’t know the Northeast was a bastion of Conservatism.
If increased snowfall is a sign of global warming, then why were these Democrat senators saying that a *lack* of snow was also a sign of global warming just a few years ago?
http://blip.tv/play/hJNRgcS7EQI.m4v
THE EAST COAST IS FROZEN!!!
Hey idiots, it’s February!!
It might be pretty hot in Phoenix this summer too,
It’s like your girlfriend telling you she’s pregnant so you’ll marry her.
You do, trying to do the right thing, then you find out she lied to you.
You now hate her – even though she might have otherwise been a great wife. You now do nothing she wants, and you hate each other.
The GW debate being over is far from it. Algore uses the energy of 28 homes, he flies in private jets, and otherwise is full of shit.
The “scientists” and their “data” has been being shown as bogus, yet you huggers still hold onto it?
Why not just try to get people to do the good things that will indeed help us and the planet without bullshit?
You same haters of anyone not liberal complained about the scare-tactics used by the Bush administration. Look who are the purveyors of fear!
Global warming, health care, and now the trillions of dollars in debt.
You guys pick some funny heros to follow…
@ effete european
science? what is this so-called “science” you speak of? please educate me! haha
I do you the favor of informing you of your pretentiousness and you STILL make the mistake of assuming your own superiority, you assume i’m ‘on the oil corporations side’ and that i dont have two advanced degrees in science, and that i’m not capable of understanding the subtle nuances of this “partially contradictory science”.
i hope al gore appreciates the money youre contributing to him.
Really?…
Why just 3 hours ago, a glacier broke off as reported here:
“Antarctic Collision Snaps Rhode-Island-Sized Iceberg Off Glacier”
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2010-02/antarctic-collision-snaps-rhode-island-sized-iceberg-glacier
– dogadoga
@ Concerned European
Are you concerned enough to stop driving and flying and used natural gas based heat and electricity (which comes from coal or nuclear both of which are highly destructive)? I assume you don’t use these deadly energy forms. Or do you just tell other people how to live – like Al Gore, who is one of the most gluttonous consumers of fossil fuels? Are you really concerned – or are you just a phony?
While global warming is a fact agreed upon every actual scientist who has studied the issue, a question of more cogency here is whether Gore brings anything to his role on Apple’s board. What I understand (from a solid second-hand source) is the other board members don’t think he adds anything of value to Apple.
Me In LA: The “scientists” and their “data” has been being shown as bogus
Yet another example of how clueless most of the rabid gorophobes are when it comes to science.
There are many thousands of researchers involved in the entire research effort, and science has always lived with and survived defective data and defective conclusions by the simple merit of being self-correcting on a purely factual basis, nder long-standing rules which have managed to provide you with the enormously successful technological civilization which allows you to bitch and moan about the invalidity of science on the scientist-created internet.
You apparently suffer from the misconception that any single questionable step by any researcher will immediately invalidate the entire globally investigated research of thousands of scientists, but probably to your surprise, that is not the case and never has been.
Yes, it is difficult and time-consuming to really survey the validity of scientific claims and conclusions. But there simply is no other way, and merely echoing self-serving propaganda fed to you by corporate and political lobbyists is not cutting it — not by a long shot.
I would like to suggest to anyone truly interested in this subject to watch this presentation by Lord Christopher Monckton. It’s 1-1/2 hours long, but well worth the watch. If you are vested in the global warming/climate change position you need to see this very reasoned and rational refutation. If you can pick it apart, you are better than I. If you are a skeptic of this “crisis” and plans to “remedy” it, then you should also watch so you have more cogent arguments besides, “hey, there’s a lot of snow outside my door.”
I agree, we are between ice ages, as mentioned above… but usually the trigger for the onset of an ice age takes more than 100 years– but this time it’s happening in a relative blink of an eye. But in order for the ice age to decend, warming has to occur first, huge quantities of fresh water have to impede the flow of the Gulf Stream and other major climate controlling ocean currents. That’s beginning to happen. Massive ice melts are occurring in Greenland, and the rates of change are greater than any expected models, so the data has to continuously be adjusted. The whole thing has a snowball effect, and before long the entire process just takes off. We may already be past that point, and there’ not really anything we can do about it, most likely. But this time when the next ice age hits, it will probably take only a few decades… and that would make living in Northern Europe and Canada, the northern US or Russia just a bit more exciting… and there will be a mad rush to the tropics… imagine Mexico trying to keep illegal American immigrants out… there’s an irony for you.
So, maybe humans won’t technically “cause” the next ice age through adding to the global warming of the atmosphere, but humans will simply pull the trigger, or the pin on the grenade a bit sooner than nature might have done down the road.
Do I really care what political opinions people have about a scientific phenomenon none of us have ever experienced before? Not one bit. It’s actually hilarious to hear all the “science” being argued based on party lines…. now that’s stupid. Imagine if airline pilots argued about the best way to fly an airplane based on their politics… and no one bothered to fly the plane… Now that would be cause for an uproar, right? Faux News would be all over it…
This is not my field but I am a geologist. A group in my department researches “global warming” and the evidence for its existence is strong. It is unfortunate that this phenomenon was called “Global warming” only because that sounded more urgent than “Climate change” (which is more accurate).
The fact remains that more anthropomorphic CO2 in the atmosphere adds more energy to the atmosphere, which adds to the instability (what we are seeing now).
A consequence of “Global warming” for us in the UK could be the stoppage of the Gulf Stream. If this occurred the irony would be that northern Europe would freeze.
I have worked for some years in Greenland, and the shrinkage of the inland ice is very apparent.
Many of those complaining that “Global warming” is a farce, are like to be cursing the government in the future for not being farsighted enough to deal with problem when we could.
You cannot have it both ways and for heavens sake don’t get your science information from FOX news (or any news for that matter).
Atmospheric Science cannot be explained in sound bites or on bumper stickers; nor does the fact that it snowed some place negate decades of record keeping.
I’m an Apple shareholder and I voted to re-elect the entire board *EXCEPT* Gore.
My science says “Follow the Money!”
There is more money in denying Climate Change, than there is in supporting Climate Change. Thus, I follow the money!
Besides, the real science proves that it exists, and has a very good explanation for it’s happening. Why should we not believe that we are responsible. We’ve buggered up everything we’ve ever touched, why not the Climate too?
@ Spark – thanks, I was looking for that. I have heard him numerous times on Dennis MIller, and he’s fantastic.
@ pdxflint
that’s an interesting theory. is it anything but? i dont think there have been any similar situations in recorded history. the last time i took an ocean and atmospherics class the theory was that the currents were driven by the downward push of saline water as the northern ice formed every year. as far as i know that is not stopping, and if it does, it is on a 1000 year cycle, not decades.
chris f: science? what is this so-called “science” you speak of? please educate me! haha
Seems like a mostly lost cause from your utterings so far.
chris f: I do you the favor of informing you of your pretentiousness and you STILL make the mistake of assuming your own superiority,
I have nowhere claimed any “superiority”. I just see very little merit in the already debunked (well, here in Europe) claims of the oil industry.
chris f: you assume i’m ‘on the oil corporations side’ and that i dont have two advanced degrees in science, and that i’m not capable of understanding the subtle nuances of this “partially contradictory science”.
You have clearly exhibited a lack of understanding of how science works. Granted, that there are either self-appointed or regular scientists who fail their grades is the entire point of the current debate, is it not?
kent: Are you concerned enough to stop driving and flying and used natural gas based heat and electricity (which comes from coal or nuclear both of which are highly destructive)? I assume you don’t use these deadly energy forms.
I’ve indeed changed my lifestyle so I could ditch my own car without losing any quality of life (actually the opposite!), I have last flown sometime in the early 1990s, I use the relatively efficient natural gas for heating (this building is an old one and not efficient enough to fully avoid it yet) and I have switched to 100% renewable electricity.
It doesn’t take any fanaticism nor am I a recluse or a technophobe – quite the opposite, in fact.
These are simply pragmatic and very much affordable steps to improve my quality of life and to make a reasonable contribution to the general progress of our species at the same time.
Why should I do less than I easily can?
And why are you insisting that the large-scale wasting of resources is the only way you can live your own life?
kent: Or do you just tell other people how to live – like Al Gore, who is one of the most gluttonous consumers of fossil fuels? Are you really concerned – or are you just a phony?
Even if I or Al Gore were what you insinuate, how would that make the energy independence of your own country and the reduction of wasting of precious resources any less pressing?
Climate change deniers. Not surprising from the country that coddles politicians who believe the Earth is 6000 years old and made in 6 days. Same mentality: I don’t understand it, therefore it is not true. Anyone still repeating those claims that completely misunderstood emails means climate change is a wash is willfully ignorant. but when a frighteningly large minority of the US thinks Sarah Palin would make a good President, the problem becomes obvious.
@dogadoga
read more into that story. It broke off because of a stronger current this season, not because of warming.
I also recommend for reading: “Intellectuals and Society” by Thomas Sowell. We have a number “intellectuals” on board here today.
Again:
It’s not about whether the earth’s average global temperatures are warming, it’s about the cause (see: Sun activity) and whether or not we should flush billions of dollars down the drain and into the pockets of people like Gore while changing nothing.
The whole anthropological global warming movement is designed to separate cash from the gullible. That’s why the data was faked, lost, and/or massaged beyond recognition.
Read and learn: http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html
Perhaps you all missed today’s news about the 965 sq mile iceberg that broke off? We might have also missed the huge high pressure area above Greenland that pushed the freezing air south. These are issues associated with global warming weather patters. No let’s get back to the Macintosh in a non-political way.
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Hey, we’ve got a tradition to uphold. If the human race doesn’t have enough brains to take the global climate crisis seriously, maybe it doesn’t deserve to survive.
@ european person
yes, clearly i have hahaha, i have “failed in my grades”? there you go again! man, you are dense! you do realize that you have not provided one coherent argument that did not cite a conspiracy theory dont you? oh, i forgot, im supposed to just accept it as true.
you loony leftists are so predictable. you cant make any of your ‘science-based’ arguments without a condescending remark about ‘right wingers’ or the US, or wring your hands about how ‘horrible’ humans are. your psychology is transparent, and predictable, and is clearly the source of your bias/delusion.
your punishment for being al gores tool is that you will put so much effort and sacrifice into making such a small impact on CO2, which, incidentally, has no, or negligible, impact on the environment. how about you spend some energy conserving rainforrest instead of making everyone’s life miserable?
King of All Scientists (yeah, sure): It’s not about whether the earth’s average global temperatures are warming, it’s about the cause (see: Sun activity) and whether or not we should flush billions of dollars down the drain and into the pockets of people like Gore while changing nothing.
You are flushing billions down the drain now, by paying through the nose to countries whose population largely agrees that you should all be killed, just for buying up ever-larger amounts of actually finite resources merely to fuel your outrageously inefficient lifestyle which actually gives you less quality of life than you would get for the same amount of money if you actually managed to rethink some of your assumptions.
Apple is all about thinking forwards and not taking “conventional wisdom” for granted even when the rest of the world yells “Madness!!!” at the top of its lungs — it is most definitely not by accident that Al Gore, of all people, sits on its board.
Way to go betting against Apple — but I’m sure this time Jobs will be wrong after all…
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chris f: yes, clearly i have hahaha, i have “failed in my grades”? there you go again! man, you are dense! you do realize that you have not provided one coherent argument that did not cite a conspiracy theory dont you? oh, i forgot, im supposed to just accept it as true.
I cannot help but bow to your impeccably coherent, obviously highly educated and objective argumentation.
@concerned European
You say
“And why are you insisting that the large-scale wasting of resources is the only way you can live your own life?”
“Even if I or Al Gore were what you insinuate, how would that make the energy independence of your own country and the reduction of wasting of precious resources any less pressing?”
My country can easily be energy independent just by using the resources we have. We have sealed off the vast majority of the country from being available for oil and gas exploration. This is stupid. We should take care of our own needs.
And I don’t waste large scale resources. I pay for what I use and we have plenty. I use what I choose to use. But I don’t have the belief system that natural resources are not to be used. Why do you still travel using cars, buses and trains? These all use energy forms that according to you are destructive. You should stop using them entirely. And you should not use any products that are derived from oil. I don’t have these loony beliefs so I don’t need to live according to your strange eco-religion. But you should, since it is your religion.
FOX NEWS PLEASE! MDN keep your right wing politics to you self! Its not charming at all!
@His Shadow
What hallucenogenics do you use? Please explain why your Climate Alarmist fabricate science to scare stupid people (like you)? Are they unfamiliar with real science that does not require fabricating data and smearing true scientists who disagree with your data. All these practices are part of the Global Warming Religion, of which you are a blind follower.
Hmm – It’s February. Dallas, TX has a foot of snow. Portland, Maine has no snow. If that’s not climate change, what is?
kent: My country can easily be energy independent just by using the resources we have.
No doubt.
kent: We have sealed off the vast majority of the country from being available for oil and gas exploration. This is stupid.
Fossil fuels are — by their very nature — limited and thus cannot provide any kind of sustainable independence.
kent: And I don’t waste large scale resources. I pay for what I use and we have plenty. I use what I choose to use.
Wasting with abandon just because you think the supply would never end (which is most certainly wrong) is still wasting.
kent: But I don’t have the belief system that natural resources are not to be used.
Same here. So why don’t you get your butt off the couch and start using the actually independent, infinite resources which you’ve thus far chosen to ignore? Why?
kent: Why do you still travel using cars, buses and trains? These all use energy forms that according to you are destructive. You should stop using them entirely.
I’ve drastically reduced the use of fossil fuels without losing any quality of life (actually the opposite).
By the way: Trains use (mostly renewably generated) electricity in most developed countries.
You are simply and completely wrong about going for efficiency being some mad religion – it is pure and unfettered pragmatism, top to bottom.
And the people who invest in efficiency technologies now are the same ones who you’ll be paying patent royalties to tomorrow.
I still don’t get the complacency, the pervasive “can’t do!” spirit which I would have thought to be entirely un-american just a few years ago.
It is just sad to watch, really.
At least your new administration seems be somewhat ahead of you at long last, as is Apple.
Why is it always assumed that being skeptical of the “generally accepted science” of man made global warming == not wanting to find and develop efficient alternate energy sources? Why does everyone make it out that it has to be one or the other? Just because I am somewhat skeptical of our ability to model such a vastly complex system in which certain “assumptions” have to be made to even be able to evaluate it, does not mean that I have to be an advocate of free-wheeling pollution or wasteful energy consumption. I just think we should focus our efforts and money on R&D;of the technologies to make alternate energy sources more efficient and affordable, not at developing policies designed to punish companies that may not currently be in favor with those promoting the AGW science.
As an Apple Share Holder I voted to get rid of Al Gore! He has zero credibility!!
Merry Prankster: Hmm – It’s February. Dallas, TX has a foot of snow. Portland, Maine has no snow. If that’s not climate change, what is?
It’s called weather.
You are welcome.
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Macdoc: As an Apple Share Holder I voted to get rid of Al Gore! He has zero credibility!!
And as usual, Steve Jobs knows a bit more than you do.
@asterix
I thought asterix was gallic (french)
Dear Concerned European
You are truly dense. There are no unlimited forms of energy. Most of the “alternative” energies promoted by eco-nuts require huge government subsidies to even be considered. Please explain the renewable energy source for your trains – are they solar or wind powered?
People have been saying we will run out of oil for the last 100 years. Our current known reserves are greater now than they were 10 years ago. You don’t even know if they come from fossils. That is a theory. Can you name some natural resource vital for human life which has been exhausted by our use? Just name one. By now we should have run out of most natural resources, given the life of the planet and our extravagant use. So I am sure you can name one things which has been completely consumed.
Why are you fixated on the idea that we are capable of destroying the earth or changing the climate. We can’t even predict the weather a few days hence – and you think we can change the weather? And you go further, you think that once we have started a process of weather change, we can correct it? How do you know these brilliant actions you recommend won’t overcorrect and create an ice age? Of course, you are brilliant and capable of managing a global climate. Right. You probably can’t even set the clock on your VCR.
@macdoc
do he have zero credibility as a board member of the ressurected and mighty apple of now? I don’t think so. Remember he was part of the ressurection and good times that have become great times for Apple. His political views (quite possibly more reasoned than the majority of drivel slung about here) may be one thing, but as a boardmember of apple he has done a fantastic job. read: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/mar/19gore.html
When Gore suggested that the environment offered excellent business opportunities, I think he was referring to the business of going green. This is still relatively uncharted water, and any company that can produce clear, renewable energy is likely to make a fortune.
climate change aside, just tell me what the problem is with having clean air to breathe? Vehicles that aren’t noisy and a few trees here and there to have some shade? Why do I need to breathe this filthy air? It shortens my life and increases my risk of cancer and other fabulous illnessnes. Just so some fat, stupid ignoramus can drive around in a vehicle 3 times heavier and bigger than s/he needs? I’m talking about quality of life now. To me, cleaner and greener is about that and I’m quite happy to pay for it. The nice yellow-orange petrochemical haze that lingers over all our cities is digusting; I really appreciate it on hot days more than any other.
The GREEN industry movement is a complete sham. It is businesses that seek to profit from government subsidies by creating some product that is not economically viable on its own merits. The government has taken vast sums of public money and shoveled it into the GREEN industries and companies like GE, that are happy to be paid to make stupid products like compact flourescent light bulbs and windmill turbines, which are basically things that are not capable of competing in the marketplace without large government subsidies. And compact flourescents and windmills involve environmental damage at least equivalent to the older and more cost effective method they are designed to replace.
@brulek
Here is an idea for you. Ride a horse. That is progress. No carbon emission. Maybe a Beano emission. But you will be happy.
Where do you live that the air is so bad?
And I take it you don’t drive a car? Or use electricity? You live in a cabin in the Montana mountains and live the green life, right? You just breathe this awful air when you come to the city to tell other people how to live.
@kent
they’re wind turbines, not windmills- I’m not aware of any major environmental damage produced by wind turbines, apart from noise: they’re very popular in germany, denmark, holland. Perhaps if the polluters paid for the externalities they create (ie. health, reduction in quality of life, environmental damage, etc) then the market mechanism would move usage away from energy sources that are getting a seriously free ride (fossil fuels) in this respect. Green subsidies are somewhat dubious, but let’s make the polluter pay what they really should be paying- tax the externalities! Maybe your near hysterical ranting might change somewhat when have to start paying what you owe.
Can we lose the ‘Nobel Prize’ winner in describing Gore… Rush Limbaugh was nominated for it and Obama, who did nothing, won it. It’s a worthless prize trying to be made relevant by worthless “intellectuals”!
It would be interesting to see what, if any, significance there was in the vote tally. Was I the only one to vote no to Al Gore being reelected to the BOD of Apple? edit: I see in other posts where other shareholders voting no also…
Whether complete strangers or friends you could always “break the ice” and start a conversation by talking about the weather. Thanks to that dolt, Al Gore, politics has entered the realm of weather. That is what you have to thank him for folks… ruining the ability to talk about the weather without starting some civil war or creating an international crisis!
And yes, Steve recommended Gore to the BOD… never let it be said that Apple was a company that never “acted stupidly”!
@ Kent – don’t go there. Hypocrisy is the entrance fee into the green bullshit world.
It’s known as talking the talk, but not walking the walk.
Gore is the #1 example. It’s what HE wants US to do – not HIM.
That should tell you all you need to know.
@kent
horse = methane. It’s about 60 times worse than Carbon Dioxide.
I do drive a car (4 cylinder low emission vehicle). And no, I don’t live in Montana.
Personally I am a big advocate of free markets; not telling people how to live as you clearly are in a ranting manner. As part of that, it is the market that should determine cost and price. As part of that however, there should be an accounting for negative externalities of fossil fuels and this should be factored into the price. So no right wing, left wing, whatever wing stupidity, just paying what you owe. Think about it.
I love all these idiots: right wing and left wing. You all talk crap, acuse each other of hypocricy and seem to have little understanding of what you believe and what it entail. There’s all this finger wagging and hard ass talk but there’s no capacity for actual deeper consideration of any position other than the superfical sound bite crap your favorite celeb, shock jock or talking head tells you to believe.
Guys, even if Gore is wrong on climate change, we have to give him credit for inventing the Internet!
just love how everything proves global warming. Too hot? Global warming! Too cold global warming!
Makes it hard to take global warming seriously when every weather event can be blamed on it.
Also hard to take it seriously when scientists can be so expert and sure about past weather that they have no measurement of, but can only estimate what the weather will be like tomorrow, despite using the most powerful computers on earth.
And particularly hard to take them seriously when their first line of attack on any scientist who disagrees with global warming is to try to discredit them.
The media didn’t take global warming seriously until when? Until after the Y@K Armageddon fizzled out. They were then temporarily distracted by terrorism and weapons of mass destruction and their threat to civilization as we know it. But that was a fizzer too.
AGW will be a good Apocalypse for the media until the next one.
And AGW is a good one because they should, like the nuclear threat of the Cold War, get years of good headlines.
Poor old Galileo was persecuted for going against the government and church position on science (sun going around the earth).
Now we find the same happening again with anyone not towing the government line of AGW being shouted down, personally attacked and discredited.
kent: You are truly dense.
I have sometimes heard that preceding your arguments with personal insults will make them inherently more convincing, but I had never believed that. But I guess now I’ll just have to, won’t I?
kent: There are no unlimited forms of energy.
You are right, of course. The nuclear fusion reactor our planet is orbiting and which is irradiating it with multiple terawatts each day, also providing wind and many other exploitable forms of secondary renewable energy will already start to run out of fuel in a paltry few billion years.
You are probably right that we should ditch any attempts to use these and switch to the fossil fuels which are apparently in unlimited supply (just like the atmosphere can obviously absorb unlimited amounts of exhaust gases).
kent: People have been saying we will run out of oil for the last 100 years.
“People”. Ah. I see. That reference obviously (dis-)proves absolutely everything andinvalidates any current scientific research.
kent: You don’t even know if they come from fossils. That is a theory.
That is a theory pretty much like gravitation behaves according to a theory (which is just another word for explanation model in science and has absolutely nothing to do with the level of substantiation it may or may not enjoy).
kent: Can you name some natural resource vital for human life which has been exhausted by our use? Just name one.
If I could, we wouldn’t be here to argue any more, obviously.
Many are in the process of being exhausted, however, and the apparent inability of some people grasping that very concept is deeply troubling, I must say, since it is difficult to become much more obvious.
kent: Why are you fixated on the idea that we are capable of destroying the earth or changing the climate. We can’t even predict the weather a few days hence – and you think we can change the weather?
Being capable of predicting weather and being capable of changing the climate are two entirely unrelated things.
kent: And you go further, you think that once we have started a process of weather change, we can correct it?
The example of the worldwide banning of CFCs and the beginning recovery of the ozone layer (currently still in the process of stagnation before actually reversing the decades-long depletion process) clearly shows that even major changes can be undone or at least be modified.
The major reduction of particle pollution (smog and related issues) has also shown that both the problem and the solution can be influenced.
The giant amounts of carbon dioxide produced by the massive use of fossil fuels since the beginning of the industrial age have begun to set a much heavier system in motion which has a lot more inertia, but it is to be expected that a reduction of CO2 pollution will also modify the consequences.
I personally doubt that we will still be able to prevent the loss of most of the Greenland ice shield (resulting in several meters of increased sea levels even without considering the antarctic), but further prolonged complacency is not just dumb regarding the perceivably severe climatic changes even in the short to medium term simply for economic reasons.
If not considerations of the environment, pure and simple material greed should already be a big reason to finally abandon your complacency.
Wow, I didn’t realize so many MDN readers were tin foil hatters … on both sides of this. It’s amusing and sad at the same time. If you don’t see that Al Gore and George W. Bush are two sides of the same coin, then… wow. (And I know many of the readers will adamantly deny that and say how their favorite is nothing like the other guy… blah, blah, blah.)
Al Gore isn’t on the board for technology or business vision — he’s strictly there for the government, political angle. And if he serves that purpose, I could care less. It’s really Apple management’s decision based on the mix they need.
perhaps the question we should be asking is how science can remove itself from the grip of whatever party is using to promote their own agenda and make it apolitical, as it is supposed to be.
And yes, science is full of groupthink and ostracizing those who don’t conform to belief in the prevailing view. Funny it’s often the dissenters who move science is bigger jumps than those in the establishment trying to maintain their funding and research grants. Scince is supposed to be about challenging everything and proving things wrong and erecting greater truth in its place, only for it to be assailed as well.
@MDN This is becoming too sensationalist for my liking (a daily reader for I forget how long)
@phredcat thanks for the tip on 9to5mac.com — looks good
@ George: “Care to tell me what SCIENCE we are lacking in? Feel free to be as SCIENTIFIC as you like. The long term climate charts give a precise picture – the globe is warming.”
uh, George, do you have long-term climate charts from 2000 years ago, 4000 years ago..10,000 years ago? Global warming is bullshit, based on bullshit, espoused by bullshitters. It’s the “crises du jour” preceded by other bullshit like “The Population Explosion”, etc.
Brulek: perhaps the question we should be asking is how science can remove itself from the grip of whatever party is using to promote their own agenda and make it apolitical, as it is supposed to be.
In most of the world that is not even in question any more. In Europe and large parts of the rest of the world, there is a broad multi-partisan consensus about the scientific conclusions being a reality, even if concrete policies are still controversial in many cases.
But the USA have simply slept through the entire matter. You are re-hashing stuff that’s already done and settled; The factual basis is already too strong to make it even halfway likely that the dissenters’ position could ever gain enough factual support any more to overturn the broad consensus in the scientific community.
There are multiple ephemeral conclusions which can and must be doubted, and some populist statements by certain scientists may just be rubbish, but the core of the matter is beyond plausible and even beyond reasonable doubt by now.
The US public at large should probably have paid more attention during the past twenty years instead of going on mad religious trips or bouts of sheer paranoid delusion.
Botvinnik: uh, George, do you have long-term climate charts from 2000 years ago, 4000 years ago..10,000 years ago?
The climate record is indeed known with quite surprising accuracy from a host of different sources, which are largely consistent about it (with the expected regional deviations).
But I’m sure you’re right that science is just all made up, just like the computer you’re reading this on is just made up and actually is just cardboard with this text scrawled on by goblins, right?
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@botvinnik
I believe ice core samples from greenland have provided quite accurate temperatures from 100000 years onwards. Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_core_project. But then there will be something wrong with how they were collected, processed, interpreted or something to impugn the integrity of the scientist who did it. It is always about that: somebody find something you don’t like, attack them, pull them down. But even if you do that, it still doesn’t change their discovery.
but you won’t look at it will you because that would cause you to question your position and you won’t do that will you, given how adamant you are about this issue and how you are seemingly the self-appointed arbiter of what is right and wrong in it. I do like though how the onus is placed on the ‘for’ team to prove something like climate change beyond all reasonable doubt, whereas the ‘against’ team carry no such responsibility. When in reality the best you can hope for is ‘in the balance of probabilities’, then it comes down to who can make the ‘best’ (ie most discredting) ad hominem attacks seemingly. Though it does seem to me that on the balance of probabilities the naysayers seem to resort more to this than the doomsayer, who tend to be more reasonable.
@concerned european
I am more sympathetic to your cause than that of the naysayers. For even if climate change were a hoax (which seems doubtful), dealing with it would have changed the world immeasurably for the good, so to me there is little downside. Erring on the side of caution is a circumspect approach in the matter. If there is a major problem, well we’ll have dealth with it and if there wasn’t, well out world will be cleaner, greener, more advanced and healthier and, of course, safer, since petrodollars fund a great deal of the world’s terrorism, totalitarianism and other nasties. Either way we get a better place to live out of it. All upside.
Brulek: I am more sympathetic to your cause than that of the naysayers. For even if climate change were a hoax (which seems doubtful), dealing with it would have changed the world immeasurably for the good, so to me there is little downside. Erring on the side of caution is a circumspect approach in the matter. If there is a major problem, well we’ll have dealth with it and if there wasn’t, well out world will be cleaner, greener, more advanced and healthier and, of course, safer, since petrodollars fund a great deal of the world’s terrorism, totalitarianism and other nasties. Either way we get a better place to live out of it. All upside.
Indeed — which makes the toxic attacks from the other side so puzzling: They actually have nothing to offer, really!
@concerned european
science is never settled. It’s not meant to be. If it were indisputably settled, it wouldn’t be science: it would be fact and they are two different things. Even ‘facts’ change. So the one asbolute truth is that there is none. Question everything. That is the role of science. So no, science is not settled, just very strongly indicative in this case. Given the complexity of the systems involved, that may very well have to be enough. Remember though, just because something is popular doesn’t make it right, only popular. It’s the fallacy of appeal to the commons.
@ concerned european
You keep trying to have a battle of the wits with unarmed opponents — don’t bother. It’s like trying to teach a kiwi to fly…
Brulek: science is never settled. It’s not meant to be. If it were indisputably settled, it wouldn’t be science: it would be fact and they are two different things. Even ‘facts’ change. So the one asbolute truth is that there is none. Question everything. That is the role of science. So no, science is not settled, just very strongly indicative in this case. Given the complexity of the systems involved, that may very well have to be enough. Remember though, just because something is popular doesn’t make it right, only popular. It’s the fallacy of appeal to the commons.
I couldn’t have said it better.
Hm…: You keep trying to have a battle of the wits with unarmed opponents — don’t bother. It’s like trying to teach a kiwi to fly…
Well, if you just kick it hard enough…
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@ me in la
what makes you an authority on global warming?
@Concerned European
There is no consensus about Global Warming. There are many thousands of real scientists who do not believe that AGW is established. And the recent evidence that many of the European scientific authorities who promote global warming theory manufactured their results to fit their preconceived notions has destroyed their basis. As an example the dataset of temperatures that Phil Jones kept that he claimed proved his “hockey stick” theory are lost. He is a “scientist” who does not maintain his data. For obvious reasons.
Another interesting fact about the Global Warming theory is that it does not accept the sun as a factor in the earths temperature. Or changes in the heat produced by the sun. To this non-scientist, it seems unusual not to factor the sun into your investigations about what causes temperature changes. But I forget, the Europeans all have this figured out. Like they figured out the Euro and Fascism and Communism. Great contributions to world progress.
@hm
‘The secret of flying is learning to miss the ground’ (the late, great Douglas Adams)
You do wonder why naysayers are so adamant against even considering climate change. It’s like they think it is some vast global conspiracy to do something bad to them and they are the last bastion against it. Like they are the last bastian of rational thought, when clearly they are the least likely to rationally consider the issue. Yes I know I’m grossly stereotyping when I say that, but it seem so. One does wonder what they consider the potentially bad things to be done to them are? They must see them as truly horrifc, judging by the reaction. You’d think it was some form of torture the way they carry on!
Stockholders with the agenda of making money from Apple are not any kind of authority on environmental science. These mocking voices may get away with it now but they are making fools of themselves in the long-term. The glaciers have not melted yet but when they do we will all wish that we spent more time trying to solve the problem instead of arguing about its existence.
@brulek
You say “You do wonder why naysayers are so adamant against even considering climate change.”
Two things – Global warming is junk science – not real science. It is alarmism intended scare people. The same people now scaring the world about Global Warming were thirty years ago telling the world the next Ice Age was coming and was being caused by man. And the same stupid people believe both “Chicken Little” stories.
Second – the reason to reject the Global Warming fraud is because it is being used to create a massive system of taxations and regulations that destroy individual liberty and our current free (barely) capitalist systems. The US Cap and Trade legislation is simply high taxes placed on business to increase the costs of goods. This is harmful to the US economy which already has about 20% structural unemployment. That will increase dramatically if we put huge new taxes on all businesses that use carbon. That is all productive businesses. This is just a form of legal theft. Justified by junk science. In business, that would be called a fraud or a swindle. You may be OK with being swindled. I refuse the idea.
I still stand behind my opening comment to my article.
“Note: If you do not think this is Apple Corporation related, think again. Al Gore is on the Board of Directors. He needs to resign. He is one bad apple. I know. I met with him personally back in DC in 2001 – right before 9/11.”
http://www.maccompanion.com/macc/archives/December2009/Greenware/ClimateGate.htm
@kent
real scientist never stop questioning, that is why they are scientists. For example real scientist still challenge General Relativity and will continue to do so. It is the way the process is supposed to work: question and challenge everything; nothing is sacrosanct from this. So if you are waiting for complete consensus, don’t hold your breath. It’ll never happen; nor should it.
But there comes a time when you have to start weighing up probabilities and consequences. Risk analysis has to start informing choices. So hysterical fear monging really isn’t helpful. What is helpful is balancing potential cost against risk.
As for the perils of europeanism, perhaps you should consider that when you wave your american flag, you do so because a large number of european forbears came there and made your country.
@brulek
I like some Europeans, just not the one’s who have an unjustified sense of superiority.
I agree with your comments about science always questioning. But that is no reason to take any concerted action on the climate when when don’t have any idea what is going on. The world temperatures have been declining for the past 10 years. That is a fact. It is also a fact that man cannot regulate the climate. Period.
Most governmental actions create unintended consequences much worse than whatever benefits were originally conceived. We banned DDT in the 1960s based on junk science. Since then millions of Africans have died needlessly from malaria because we insist on continuing to maintain the now disproven notion that DDT is harmful when if fact it is a very positive tool in preventing malaria – that we refuse to use. Instead we have Hollywood stars asking us to donate mosquito nets for Africans – an idea that will doom millions more Africans to death. Let;s use real science there to save these people – use DDT to kill the malaria killing mosquitoes. But no, that practical life saving action gets no attention from people who are consumed with the idea we can control the weather as if we could put a thermostat on the planet and fine tune to our changing desires. Our stupid focus on Global Warming is keeping us from using science to do real practical good in a lot of ways.
I am an American and a true patriot; and let me just say that Americans are stupid, they think that because we have cold temps and snow in the winter that global warming isn’t happening, they are like angry at the peeps like Gore because of the snow and cold, it’s just crazy… The freaking glaciers ARE melting u stupid fucks. We won’t be happyntill we are under water, luckily I have access to a m35a2 and a 100 foot boat
From Fox News??
You gotta be kidding! They should be called” the right wing news source” They had people on who called for the assassination of Obama! Talk about treason!
this website sucks. they are extremist in politics and about Apple.
i love my mac and iPhone but I am critical when I see something wrong with Apple.
Same goes in politics, I might like some of Obama’s ideas but sometimes I feel that Ron Paul makes more sense. Smart people should use critical thinking and not blindly follow ideologies…
FOX new is unwatchable to any independent not because it is right wing but because it is extremist. The Same goes for some people on MSNBC.
But know this it’s all for show(read money). Murdoch is no extremist, he’s a businessman and he is tapping the big right wing market that tends to be uneducated, generally white and racist.
As for climate change, forget about it for a second. What about pollution: it’s tangible, you can smell it, see it, hear it… at least these green initiatives address pollution wether global warming is real or not.
@kent
Take a sidestep away from the politics of fear and fallacy. So you have peer reviewed all this ‘junk science’? One example of something be it for or against doesn’t build an irrefutable case. So to dismiss all climate science as ‘junk’ is a big call; one which I doubt you (or me) are qualified to make. Does this mean the scientists working for the nay case are also doing junk science?
Yes you’re right about the sigificant distortions in american markets. Free markets are rarely real. Politicians pass laws that allow these enormous distortions- lobby groups, special interest groups and enormous campaign contributions feed this. Democracy is a fragile system (try reading Al’s book on the matter, despite what you may think of him or his politcs, The assault on reason) that tends to be more warpable by the inaction, apathy and disconnection of voters as big money.
I am against unwarranted, wholesale income redistribution and yes taxing productive businesses creates unemployment particularly when your major trading partner will not follow suit (imposing a carbon tax on imported goods can’t hurt level the playing field however). But there are greater issues involved here the conserving what you have. Change (that will be necessary eventually anyway) creates opportunity. Those at the forefront of it reap the greatest benefits. Innovation and improvement is the way forward, as apple continues to demonstrate. And cutting of the money flow from your enemies is a significant and major benefit of reducing oil dependency. The american motorist indirectly funds a huge number of terrorist orgranizations and totalitarian regimes.
As for the american emission trading scheme, I am not aware enough of the details to pass comment, nevertheless, the need to change our energy systems, on balance of probability, is clear.
While commenting on news sources – CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, New York Times, and Washington Post – are all PR outlets for the Democratic Party, which is the US branch of the Communist Workers Party.
All these people saying “Gore needs to go” because of his politics!
I guess you have to be politically correct in order to be on the board of a corporation. Let’s get out the blacklist again! If yo do not bow down to Rush then you must be a traitor and we will fire you!
Funny how so many “patriots” will denigrate those who actually went to war for this country and support the coward Limbaugh who refused.
@ Tt
there were just as many morons saying that heat waves and hurricanes were due to global warming. and by the way, the earth is cooling you stupid fuck
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8299079.stm
why is it that every person arguing for AGW is a condescending douche?
@ kent
lmao
either a good joke or you are a total idiot.
Let’s have this conversation amongst non-scientists in 40 years.
In the meanwhile, it’s become a political diversion from more immediately pressing matters. True, the future of the planet is important, but how long has it been since 99% of politicians been interested in doing anything beyond getting elected and throwing red meat to their constituents.
@ chris f
you say:
“why is it that every person arguing for AGW is a condescending douche?”
Spoken like a true condescending douche!
@jmmx
Thanks for proving Chris F correct.
@ kent
I applaud your efforts but im afraid common sense is wasted on these people. you cant have a constructive argument with people who are emotionally invested in a belief, particularly ones with such large egos.
its comical that they all seem to come from a political perspective rather than from an argumentative stance; they all seem to have a strawman in their head that they are heroically fighting against, a ‘right-wing’ boogeyman, they are Don Quixotes charging at a windmill. How apropos.
@Chris F
Thank you. In all of their comments, I have not heard any explanation of the fraud committed by theleading global warming scientists at the Climate Research Unit (East Anglia CRU), Michael Mann (Penn State – inventor of the hockey stick) and the NASA Goddard Scientists. You would think that people who talk so much about science would at least have an interest in fraud committed in broad daylight in the name of science. Yet none of the science advocates posting here has ventured an explanation as to why corruption is so rampant among the top scientists advancing this theory. If the posters here had an interest in truth, they would at least engage in some honest discussion about why the key scientists who Al Gore cited were so corrupt. It is curious there is such silence on this. Yet while there is no comment on the corrupt science, there is name calling of people who had nothing to do with the corrupt science. Not clear how this mentality advances the search for truth.
ENOUGH. I’M REMOVING MDN FROM MY BOOKMARKS AND DELETING THAT IPHONE APP. I’M TIRED OF THE POLITICS ON THIS WEBSITE.
Congratulations to Vice-President Gore on his re-election to the Apple board of directors.
It is always fascinating to me how many people can allow their “beliefs” to be mistaken for “facts”.
And that applies to parties on both sides of this complex issue.
From my point of view, it isn’t hard to see that humans are having a huge impact on the natural world around us. If you can’t see it, you aren’t looking. Human caused global warming, if it is real, is just one of a multitude of “effects” – it isn’t the “problem”.
I am all for the iPad, because I think it will have a huge impact on reducing the number of trees cut for paper production.
@ Kent
They certainly don’t want to let silly facts get in the way of their beliefs. Well, at least their lack of insight into their delusions makes for some pretty good comedy. It’s almost as funny as seeing the self-righteous hybrid owners that were suckered by the companies they despise into paying a $3,000 premium for 5 extra MPGs. Their predictable gullibility is apparently quite profitable, maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to kick Gore off after all? On second thought, no, he should go, asap.
I must take this opportunity to say I LOVE MacDailyNews. Best aggregation of Apple news on the net. Also, great pithy comments about many of the stories. And to those who are announcing on Page 4 of the comments section that they are REMOVING MDN FROM BOOKMARK a note. MORON – YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO READ THE COMMENTS. IF YOU HATE THEM SO MUCH WHY DID YOU GET TO PAGE 4. YOU SEEM LIKE A MICROSOFT/DELL TYPE. YOU PROBABLY DON’T KNOW HOW TO DELETE BOOKMARKS.
Seriously, calm down. Keep you MDN and just avoid the politics if you can’t stand the heat.
Gore leads the pack of flaming idiots and anybody that buys his garbage is not far behind him.
From the Daily Express in the UK, yesterday
“CLIMATE scientists yesterday stunned Britons suffering the coldest winter for 30 years by claiming last month was the hottest January the world has ever seen.”
And I thought Europeans were all in agreement about this. Those pesky scientists keep amazing us all.
Been really warm in the northwest this winter. No snow. None. The retarded-ness of America never ceases to amaze me. Al Gore is awesome.
Look, if they weren’t diddling with the results, they wouldn’t be hiding or destroying the data they used to produce the results they publish.
It is a political movement, not a scientific movement.
Yes, the planet is slowly getting warmer right now. after all, the last ice age did end. How and why the planet is getting warmer is what is in question.
Every other time the planet got warmer and the ice caps melted, man did not cause the warming. Why the hell do people think that for the first time in geological history, man is to blame this time?
It boggles the mind.
@big Als MBP
I agree with most of what you say except the statement that the world is getting warmer. The statistics say the last decade has shown a decline in temperatures. Many real scientists are concerned that we are entering a period of low solar activity is which will dramatically lower temps for the foreseeable future. That is a real possibility.
@ King ??? of all scientists.
“The whole anthropological global warming movement is designed to separate cash from the gullible. “
Yes, and Microsoft is only concerned with your happiness, and money grows on trees, and there is a tooth fairy. 🙁
I get the same at work. If the world does not end, then the liberals are all wrong. PS the religious right hopes the world will end and soon as they have make peace with god, microsoft, and wall street….. in that order.
Enjoy Apple, forget the pundits, and take life just a little less seriously.
Just a thought,
en
@ Brother Mugga
“I don’t really know whether global warming is happening or not. I may be a physicist,”
And then again you just might work for Microsoft. But you sure do not understand the scientific method, so I vote for MS.
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Just a thought,
en
Sorry I couldn’t to resist to join in because the response to this topic has been huge.
Just a few points:
Atmospheric CO2 increases ambient temperatures: Fact
Human activities such as burning fossil fuels increases atmospheric CO2: Fact
Levels of atmospheric CO2 have significantly increased in the last 100 years: Fact
We can’t fully predict what will happen to the Earth’s climate but only an idiot will refuse to believe that CO2 emissions are causing climate change.
Innovation is what will get us out of this trouble. Companies like
Apple are good examples how thinking outside the box can bring great rewards when you innovate out of recessions whilst everyone is battening down the hatches.
Maybe Al Gore is on the Apple board because he had the guts to talk about difficult issues.
If you watched Gore’s keynote presentation he basically says that he may be wrong about global warming but we’d be stupid to take the chance that he’s wrong and do nothing because the consequences could be terrible ( sea levels rising). It ok to hate him because he’s liberal, the hate’s from the same place that makes me hate on deniers. I understand the hate. But you’d be a fool to play around with the health of the only planet we have.
@kent and @me in LA and every other denier.
So… if you’re WRONG… then what? I live near Toronto and we finally got hit with snow… END OF FEBRUARY! But next week is going back up in temperature. And oh alternative energy… yeah I HAVE SOLAR and it is not as expensive as you think and prices have come down huge. But of course you morons always have some dumb excuse. Know what… I don’t pay anywhere the taxes now on electricity, I received grant money to do this, it’s NON POLLUTING!, and it will still work in 20+ years unlike many of our products with similar price tags. And I also have taken a stand against the oil industry by running on WVO or waste veg oil. Know what? While you send soldiers over to Iraq to fight an illegal war, putting them in harms way, allowing speculators to dictate what THEY want for oil prices, allowing oil companies to post $45 BILLION in profits… I’m saying “FUCK YOU”. SO… what are YOU doing to make the world a better place for EVERYONE? And oh, your comment on having more oil reserves then ever… from where? The tar sands in Alberta which is a major black eye for us Canadians? Get real… we need a better solution that benefits ALL MANKIND! Maybe you could also explain to our arctic people too why the changes they’re seeing aren’t global warming… or Greenland. Have you been even close to those places? Probably not. Or maybe you could make a trip to BC and help defeat the pine beetle which is devastating our forests since they are surviving much warmer winters? You see… talk all you want about it being “junk science”. You’re blind and you have NO OTHER SOLUTION IF YOU’RE WRONG! One last point…especially for you @LA… go visit Sn Francisco who are already preparing for higher waters since every year, the sea level is rising. I’m sure you have some lame excuse for that problem happening too.
you people do realize that CO2 only makes up 0.034% of the earth’s atmosphere right? and that human contribution to this CO2 is negligible? and that even though CO2 levels are supposedly rising the earth is cooling? but even if you do believe al gore and want to give him money, there’s nothing we can do about it. except panic, that will definitely help, so keep that up for sure. the biggest contributor is china, probably second biggest is india, they and all the other 3rd world countries in the world are only going to get more industrialized. or you want to tell them to stay poor and destroy their natural habitat for resources? get an effing clue people! CO2 is going to keep rising, so stop whining about it, stop distracting everyone from real environmental problems, and do something real with your life like save some rainforest.
http://www.conservation.org
As Al Gore has said, “this is not debatable.”
MDN quotes “FOXNews?” Fox.. “News?!?”
I’m tired of your right-wing agenda, MDN. The conservative shareholders and the constant attempt to bring politics into this site is what should be mocked- or held to contempt. Sorry, flatearthers, you can print whatever BS you want- Gore earns my respect, those in denial don’t. If Jobs didn’t want him there, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be. Start your own Apple- maybe get Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin on your board. Unless their names are already written on your hands..
I think i’ll go over to weather.com and read the
latest discussions on the merits of the iPad.
“King of all Scientists:” You believe 911 was an inside job, too, dontcha? And the science behind global warming is a conspiracy, huh? You betcha? And yes- the earth is flat. But NASA wants u s to believe otherwise.
One of the essential characteristics of science is that its findings have *predictive* value, as opposed to: “nothing has happened yet”.
No need to wait until global warming has gained its full momentum, for then it will be too late.
Of course, then, the non-scientific guys will recognize that it is happening. They might not yet agree to the actual causes, though… as a last resort of denial.
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change (as of today):
“With the release of the revised statement[80] by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists in 2007, no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change.[2][81]”
To both sides…there is no doubt that the climate is warming. After all, the glacier retreats that we are talking about is nothing new, these glaciers used to cover all of Greenland, all of Europe and almost all of North America. They started to retreat long before our civilization. The planet is and has been warming for the last 20,000 years or so, marking the end of the “last” ice age. The fact is that the Earth slowly cools to the point of freezing, then rapidly (in geological terms) warms, then repeats the cycle.
Glacial periods take up to 100,000 years or more to complete while interglacial periods (what we are in now) are rapid and short like 20,000 to 40,000 years.
What is at the heart of the real debate is, are we, humans, causing an acceleration of this, and if so, how much? And the facts are not clear. Ice core evidence seems to point to a rapid warming just prior to the onset of a glacial period, or ice age. And by just prior I’m talking in geological terms, 5,000 to 10,000 years would be considered just prior.
The current warm period that we are in is about 20,000 years old. This could put us in the end cycle of a short interglacial period and the rapid warming trends we are now seeing are the natural, normal precursor to the next glacial period, which could still take a few thousand years to fully develop.
So we may in fact be contributing to the acceleration of this process, but we are by no means causing it, nor can we slow or prevent it. The Earth will continue to warm until the next freeze just as it has done multiple times in the past 650,000 years that we know of. And it will do it with or without our help.
@ phredcat Thanks for the tip. I just checked out that site and I’m with you. Been reading MDN daily for so long, but they just really rub me the wrong way with this Fox News type slant and hypocritical hit whoring. Think before you click? I’m taking that advice.
Due to gravitation and plantary orbits, the planet should actually be getting cooler apprently. There was a serbian scientist, Milutin Milankovic, I think who did some work on this, that is, determing the fluctuation in earth’s orbit with relation to the sun. From his work it appears at the moment we should be getting a little further from it, hence the cooling. This will give us a free ride until about 2030 before our orbit brings us a little closer to the sun and greater warming occurs. But the thing is, is the cooling less that would normally have been the case or is it about that to be expected. Obviously if it is less then there are other potential factors at work.
It cracks me up that science-deniers are calling on Al Gore to prove global warming. It’s already been proven ad nauseam. What would it accomplish if Gore testified before the U.S. Senate to rehash the facts, yet again? Sen. James Inhofe would deny them, yet again.
Proving the existence of global warming to its deniers is as futile as disproving the existence of God to the Pope.
Why?
Because due to a worryingly large slice of the United States’ population being – and I mean this literally with no hyperbole – brainwashed by partisanship, science has become a political issue.
If some neo-con talking head on the teevee says you shouldn’t believe in science, droves of Republicans at home will nod their heads and say “Yes, we should not believe in science!”, for if science contradicts The Party then surely science must be wrong.
Not that it doesn’t cut both ways. A number of Democrats are guilty partisan groupthink on a variety of issues, too.
It’s all just a mess. Then again, the United States is an incredibly young country. Maybe these are just normal growing pains. I suppose that’s the optimistic way of looking at it…
“…a prominent skeptic of global warming theory and the Republican leader of the Senate’s Environment and Public Works Committee…”
Incredible! These stupid neinsager are still denying the evidence… just for the free capitalism’s sake?!
Some people love to saw the branch their sitting on, believing they’ll pile up enough $$$$ to justify the desaster the last next generations will endure.
@King of All Scientists? Wow! Sorry, I’ll take James Hansen when it comes to climate change. MDN has a bad habit of venturing very far afield from its actual mission. Can’t we keep it about Macintosh? Jees…
@!#$#%^%…….Nazis!!!
(that should make both sides happy)
Americans ARE dumb – even a nation of Southern Hemisphere morons knows that …
@ TowerTone
Wow – you nailed it!
Many of the comments posted remind me of the Tech Support story where the phone tech droid finally asked the customer if he still had the original boxes for his computer. When the customer answered, “Yes.” The droid said, “Good. Then box it up and send it back.” The customer asked, “Is it completely broken?” The droid said, “No. You’re just too stupid to have a computer!”
“Global Warming: It is a hoax. It is bad science. It is high-jacking public policy. It is the greatest scam in history.” — John Coleman, founder of The Weather Channel
The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam:
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html
Is the global climate changing? Of course it is. It’s been changing for 4.5 billion years. Hopefully, it continues to change…
Is the global climate changing? Of course it is. It’s been changing for 4.5 billion years. Hopefully, it continues to change…
Listen, we all know that “Man Made Global Warming” is a scam, just like “Obama’s Health Care Plan.”
The proponents of these debacles don’t care. The point is that they have agendas to further and pockets to line. Liberal Democrats love nothing more than inventing “crises” in order to take power over people and separate them from their money.
In the 70s, it was “The Coming Ice Age” and “The Population Explosion.” Today, it’s pictures of polar bears floating on ice and “Universal Health Care.”
How to increase power and wealth:
Step 1. Invent “crisis.”
Step 2. Ratchet up the fear via the media (used to work great, but nowadays the ‘Net and FOXNews are fscking that up all to hell).
Step 3. Attempt to grab power.
Step 4. If you get it, party like there’s no tomorrow while stuffing bank accounts.
Step 5. Invent next “crisis.”
“Never let a serious crisis go to waste.” – Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s White House Chief of Staff, November 2009
And, if you lack a crisis, invent one. Right, Mr. Gore?
In closing, fsck all of you weak-minded sheep. You’re either incapable of thinking critically or you’re in on the game trying to further your agendas while padding your bank accounts. Too stupid or too greedy or both, that’s what you are.
P.S. Republicans don’t need to organize “communities” of uneducated idiots using taxpayer money and then buy them coffee and doughnuts and bus them out to polling places every year in order to try to win elections.
I do not disagree with climate change nor do I disagree with the effects of weather that we are seeing. What I do find interesting is that none of the profoundly informed climate science experts talk about the explosion of Krakatoa and the effect it had (mini-ice age – one volcanic eruption has done more than all of mankind since the beginning of the industrial revolution) and no one has mentioned the Middle Ages warming period when obviously cars were running amuck and factories ware belching out tonnes of noxious stuff to effect the temperature (which, by the way was higher at it peak then what is being forecast as calamitous now). And no one mentions that The Middle Ages Warming period was the CAUSE of the rapid advancement in so many areas of science, art, architecture, agriculture (grapes for wines was grown in Northern England and Scandinavia)…
From my reckoning, climate changes about four times a year. Time to panic!
Since Global Warming went cold we are now faced with Climate Change. What a fasking scam!
Dear Mr. Gore: Please show me irrefutable hard science that absolutely PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt that THIS Climate Change is different than all the other climate change cycles and events that have been taking place for tens of thousands of years and that man haas been a MAJOR influence (how arrogant) in those changes and I will buy you a new iPad.
Heh… didn’t think so.
No need for this crap anymore. How can you try to debate science with peple who don’t believe in evolution.
Bbye.
I don’t really care if Big Algore is on the Apple board or not. The government swings so much weight for and against companies that maybe having Big Algore watching our back is worth something. Otherwise, I hand it to the guy for being a top notch snake oil salesman and huckster in the best traditions of the old American West.
Hint Hammer hits the nail squarely on head and drives it home in one shot!
@gRen
You say, “No need for this crap anymore. How can you try to debate science with peple who don’t believe in evolution.
Bbye.”
You represent a refutation of Evolutionary Theory. Now – go back to thinking about your next tattoo or what piece of hardware to put in your earlobe.
@DogGone: “Maybe Al Gore is on the Apple board because he had the guts to talk about difficult issues.”
If he’s so brave, then where’s he been for the last 3 months, when all of these questionable practices of climate researchers have been exposed? Why isn’t he out in front defending his Oscar and Nobel Prize? Why is he ignoring requests from Senate committees to appear and testify about these scandals?
How is that “gutsy”?
Headline from a few thousand years ago:
Noah, mocked at mountainside marina.
MizuInOz: What I do find interesting is that none of the profoundly informed climate science experts talk about the explosion of Krakatoa and the effect it had (mini-ice age – one volcanic eruption has done more than all of mankind since the beginning of the industrial revolution) and no one has mentioned the Middle Ages warming period
Who has told you that? That’s both false.
Both the Krakatoa explosion (which had a relatively severe but only temporary effect on a much lower scale in total than the ongoing changes) and the medieval warm period have of course been exhaustively researched and are of course included in all the serious climate models.
If the people you are listening to are telling you what you have posted, they either have no clue about science as it is being conducted in the real world or they are simply lying to you.
Please also note how all of the Liberals will ignore my post above as if it doesn’t exist.
MDN Magic Word: “right.”
Interesting to note that Apple shareholders are just as big a bunch of nitwits as shareholders of any other large, mediocre American corporation.
@ phredcat
9to5mac is NOT a politically bias free site
Global warming deniers are worse than creationists. Uneducated quote mining fools.
Total shit for brains that cannot be bothered to learn what is going on around the world.
Hint Hammer: Please also note how all of the Liberals will ignore my post above as if it doesn’t exist.
It’s a run-of-the-mill paranoid anti-scientific rant full of ad-hominem invective and devoid of any substance.
Scientific conclusions don’t change because you hate certain persons who happen to have presented them to the public.
Scientific conclusions change only when better explanations for the existing mass of observations (which is by now rather substantial) can be found or if new observations cannot be reconciled with the existing explanations.
You have not contributed to that in any way.
@Concerned european
Have not seen your condemnation of Phil Jones, the junk sciencee of the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia, the UN Climate Report which stated ‘scientifically” that the Himalyan glaciers would be gone in 35 years, which turned out to be based not on scientific investigation, but speculation in a magazine article. I have not heard you state that the fraud committed in support of Global Warming theory is bad and only real honest scienctific methods should be used.
Why are you ignoring fraud right in front of your face. If you are so rational, and so elnightened then you would know that real scientists use honest techniques, document their data, accept challenges from other scientists with differing points of view in the interest of learning the truth. Real scientists don’t accept fraud; they condemn it. Real scientists don’t arrogantly assert “there is a consensus so there is no point in investigating any longer”.
Please take a minute to let us know your opinion on the Fraud at the CRU and the UN and NASA. The inference that can be drawn from your comments so far is that you are OK with the fraud, but very upset with people who have legitimate questions about global warming theory because you don’t appear to tolerate alternative views.
When the Europeans figure out how to bathe regularly, I’ll consider becoming concerned about their opinions.
What do you get when everybody sucks off the government teat? Greece, followed closely by the EU.
Kent:”Real scientists don’t arrogantly assert “there is a consensus so there is no point in investigating any longer”. “
Quite. Which is why research is still carrying on. It didn’t all stop when the IPCC report was published, you know. The climate scientists are still doing science, not sitting on their laurels counting the money that being a member of the Global Warming Conspiracy brings in (ha!).
Unconcerned American: When you get a passport, I’ll be concerned about your opinion.
LAST POST. Everyone can stop now.
keint: Have not seen your condemnation of Phil Jones, the junk sciencee of the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia, the UN Climate Report which stated ‘scientifically” that the Himalyan glaciers would be gone in 35 years, which turned out to be based not on scientific investigation, but speculation in a magazine article. I have not heard you state that the fraud committed in support of Global Warming theory is bad and only real honest scienctific methods should be used.
You are mixing up several issues here.
I recommend some closer examination of the issue, as for instance in this article:
World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown – Times Online
1) I’m not aware where Phil Jones had any hand in this.
2) The time span is wrong. The falsely reported date was by 2035, which would have been even more aggressive.
3) I know of no fraudulent intent there, but the apparent sloppiness of course remains inexcusable.
4) At least one of the experts working on the report (a german specialist for glacier research) did in fact file a warning and protest when he found the estimate in the proposed conclusions before they were published. His protest should have been heeded and the conclusions should have been corrected, but he was in fact ignored.
5) One of the reasons for this problem seems to be that there was a strong drive to be inclusive and to not make the IPCC report a more or less exclusive product of the developed countries, which could have given the impression that the developed countries unilateraly attempted to impose tough measures on everybody. One of the problems with that, however, is that the quality of scientific research in developing countries is not always up to par, and this particular point is unfortunately a demonstration of that. Good intentions may be laudable, but when it’s about hard science, they cannot replace serious research after all.
6) The IPCC will be put under much tighter control and public scrutiny, and that is of course a good thing as long as the priority is on improving the quality of its work, not just outright sabotage as we’ve unfortunately seen as well.
7) I have not in any form an official capacity here, so it is not my job to comment on any imaginable issue in any way related to climate research as a whole. That would be a full-time job by itself, and I’ve already got one.
8) I think we fully agree that scientific research which is used as a basis for policy decisions needs to be of the best possible quality. It is important to note, however, that the mass of evidence for climate change being related to human activity has never hinged on that dubious but ultimately peripheral glacier prediction, nor on any small number of conclusions. It is vastly larger and more conclusive in total, so the usual house cleaning that’s pretty much always going on in any branch of science does not affect the basic conclusion:
We are not just needlessly wasting precious and finite resources, we are also rocking the boat we’re sitting in to a degree which makes severe consequences increasingly likely.
Thousands of scientists are working on this, and when you insist on throwing out the baby with the bathwater whenever any one of these thousands of scientists so much as forgets to dot an i, you should better leave this technological civilization and become a self-sufficient hermit on a mountain somewhere. Science has long proven that it is a robust and ultimately functioning principle of finding out how the real world works, even though its engine may sometimes stutter or make funny noises every now and then.
It would be a mistake to freeze in uncritical reverence before it, but it would be an even more severe mistake to supplant it with political manoeuvering, personal vendettas or just plain personal complacency. None of these has any chance of getting you anywhere but backwards into a world you will not find entertaining or convenient.
Science needs people who are actually interested in what’s going on, people who don’t just stay on the surface but who take an interest even when things get a bit more complicated. The anti-scientific movement in the USA is deeply troubling to say the least – the dark ages are in the past, and I really hope that’s where they will stay for good.
@Spark
Wishfull thinking, I fear. Everybody is having so much fun. Except those of us who come here for Mac news.
I can’t decide which is more depressing: That MDN engages in this blatant hit-whoring, that so many Mac users rise to the bait, or the proportion of the discussion that consists of calling one-another, idiots, pinko-commie libtards, Flat-Earthers, bozos, Fsckheads, environmental fascists, Fascist…. tades, right-wing assholes, loony leftists, tin foil hatters, stupid fucks, Nazis, etc.
America debates climate change (with contributions from elsewhere), on a Mac site.
@concerned European
The evidence is clear – Phil Jones and the CRU worked and others such a Michael Mann worked intentionally to distort the data to “hide the decline”. This is fraud. I still have not heard you denounce it. There should be criminal investigations of the clearly documented fraud and those who can be proven to have done this should be punished. There are billions of dollars at stake in global expenditures from governments that require the Global Warming Theory to be accepted for the dollars to flow. Al Gore has already made millions of dollars from government funds related to climate change – and he stands to make billions if there are exchanges set up to invest in carbon offsets. That is the motive for the fraud.
S- Phil Jones doctored the data and issued misleading reports. He and others in the CRU also conspired to silence any opposition science, through smears and also by denying publication in science journals.
The UN is documented to have placed bogus science in the IPCC reports. The Himalayan glacier bogus science is just one example.
Someone – the CRU or NASA – has been manipulating the temperature data by reducing the total number of temperature stations from something in the range of 2000 globally to about 600. And they have intentionally left out colder stations and also placed the remaining stations in hotter urban areas, by heat sources, etc. This is documented.
The entire current process for gathering the science is riddled with corruption. Is it not sufficient to note that the UN is in a driving position in this effort. The history of corruption in the UN does not need to be repeated. The UN defines corruption.
So, in conclusion, the Global Warming “science” is not science. It is fabricated data designed to fool simple people so that certain large countries will open their vaults of taxpayer money a set of international criminals. Al Gore is George Clooney in Oceans Rising 11. It boggles my mind that anyone could take Al Gore seriously. Have you seen him speak? Anyway, I am not willing to be part of this fraud. For those who believe it, despite the well documented lying and corruption, I say go ahead and live your beliefs. Stop taking part in the capitalist economy. Never again use a car or any electrical appliance. Don’t use plastics. Become Amish, for that is the end result of Global Warming theology, except the Amish are humble people who understand man’s limitations. Not so with the Global Warming Religion, which worships at the alter of Man.
Puhleeze! Like many others I visit MDN daily for Mac news, not for political rants from right or left. Can the moderator remove non-focussed comments? I’m in Britain, so not only is the political bickering out of place, it is a total irrelevance.
From Faux Newz, like anybody would be surprised. It’s Unfair, Unbalanced, Wholly Partisan. NeoCon Talk Radio on TV masquerading as news.
Global Warming is not a hoax, nor is it in any way disproven. The moniker is not a good one, but is now in common use, so away we go.
If anyone was paying attention to the contention of those sounding the alarm, it was clearly stated that an overall sate of global warming would make some places warmer, some cooler, some drier, some wetter & some places with little change. It was also pointed out that as Global Warming phenomenon progressed people could expect to see more unseasonable weather and an overall increase in the severity of storms- a trend in global climate and weather that is undeniable.
One day, one month, one year or one event neither proves nor disproves a global trend or progression toward a threshold which could trigger a larger state of events. So spare me the anecdotes about cold weather in Chicago or New York. Trends take time and changes triggered by thresholds in a system as complex as our biosphere are not explained, understood or disproven by simplistic minds, theories, posits or anecdotes.
Note that the same people that deny and vehemently oppose this are in two groups:
1- The same types that deny evolution.
2- Those who stand to see their highly profitable business models and interests disrupted or destroyed. Otherwise, Buggy Whip makers at the dawn of the auto age.
Mr Gore has done us all a great service by shedding light upon this trend in time to do something about it. He is an honorable man with a long record of public service to the nation as a soldier in Vietnam, a Representative, A Senator and as Vice-President of the US.
@edbenet
You said “Puhleeze! Like many others I visit MDN daily for Mac news, not for political rants from right or left. Can the moderator remove non-focussed comments? I’m in Britain, so not only is the political bickering out of place, it is a total irrelevance.”
Al Gore is on the Apple Board. Al’s main claim to fame is his Global Warming theory, which resulted in his being awarded the Nobel Prize for something or other, along with the IPCC (UN). Apple is routinely pressured by environmentalists to spend money to make their products more environmentally safe. This occurred at the board meeting last week.
So, this debate is germane to Apple. If there is corrupt science that is being used to influence business decisions in companies all over the world everybody should be talking about why fake science is accepted, and why it is allowed to influence policy. People who fake science should be shamed and prosecuted. Same with people who try to use fake science to affect business strategies at places like Apple. Fraud should be identified for what it is and fraudsters should be ostracized from the sphere of influence.
I notice the same people who believe in Global Warming in the US are the people who claim to know people who are poor, and are forced to use their dead sisters false teeth because they could not afford to buy their own false teeth, and the US is so evil that it won’t help people get false teeth, and these people who don’t have teeth are being denied teeth by evil Republicans, who sit at home at night and laugh about the poor people who have to put their dead sibling false teeth in their mouths. That is what I notice about the Global Warming advocates.
@ Kent
Point of order.
Al Gore’s claim to fame is that he is the first elected President in the history of our country to have it stolen from him by 5 Republican Supreme Court members who had no standing, yet overruled the Supreme Court of Florida- who had standing in the election in Florida.
Conservatives rant about legislating from the bench- yet this most egregious example was given a pass.
As to it’s relevance- did George W. Bush’s Presidency have any relevance to the dead and injured British troops that served in Iraq & Afghanistan. No Bush- no wars in SW Asia.
auctoris
Steve agrees with Al. Did you vote against Steve?
burn, neo-luddites, burn
@Progressive Agent Provocateur
off-topic… but I can’t resist.
Gore only wanted to recount votes in areas favorable to him. The Florida court, of which more than one member had donated money to his campaign, agreed with him. USSC ruled that violated the 14th amendment of the US Constitution (remember that document?).
@Progressive Agent Provocatuer
Just as with Global Warming you want to create your own facts. There were six recounts – all had George Bush winning. After all of these, I believe Al Gore lobbied to only have recounts where he wanted, in highly Democrat jurisdictions. (Probably where he got thee idea of placing thermometers only where the temperature is warm to prove Global Warming.) Then after months of having Democrat trial lawyers inventing reasons why Al should win, despite six recounts, adults had to step in. Of course, if only Al Franken had been there, he could have figured out a way to steal the election. Democrats can always bring in their ACORN friends to register the dead (teeth donors), the criminals, the non-residents, and the mentally unfit (Democrats). Usually this is enough to win. Al must ha
So – point of order. You are
@edbenet… I totally agree. This has become quite the off-topic orgy. Too bad MDN becomes unmoderated on weekends. It’s happened before. Sad.
@Progressive Agent Provocatuer
an honorable man with a long record of public service to the nation as .. A Senator
You do realize he voted for the 1991 Gulf War, don’t you?
And do you know how he came to that decision? He based it solely on which side was going to give him more TV time. Wow. What a leader.
NEWS FLASH: The Earth Will Perish!
Sooner or later the sun will go red giant and burn up everything in the solar system. The fate of the earth is of increasing temperature as the solar activity increases. Near the end of a suns life it starts to get bigger and hotter and all of Earth’s water and atmosphere will be boiled away. Sure that’s a long way off but make no mistake, the future of the planet is a rise in temperature. One day there will be no water left of earth and man can do nothing to stop it….
So for everybody worried about all the environmentally harm, and waste caused by the ants called man in the name of protecting the planet, just forget about it, in the end the planet and all you false hopes of a utopian eden will be recycled into ash. The ultimate recycle program.
Todays environmental movement is short sighted and really only concerned about the control of the economic wealth and power, they use junk science as a means… You guys are just like a corrupt religion like from the middle ages… u use parts of the truth to scare, control and steal from the people… religious fanatics and Al Gore is your Pope!
your a bunch of priest
– concerned european
– Progressive Agent Provocatuer
– and all the others that pimp science
@ Jake Sisko
True, he wanted to ‘Cherry Pick’ counties favorable, but the Florida Supreme Court ruled a complete statewide recount. After the election was ‘certified’ the ballots were released and counted by an independent consortium of news organizations- from left to right. Al Gore won Florida by and consistent counting standard applied.
The US Supreme Court had no standing unless civil right were an issue and could then only rule to that point. There are no Federal Elections. Each state organizes and is the final arbiter of it’s own elections and election laws as long as they do not violate US Law. Otherwise, in Bush v Gore, the SCoUS bigfooted and ruled where it had no standing and voted right down party lines. The 5 Bush votes were all Republican appointees.
Alternately, if the courts were unable to resolve the election, it should have gone to the US House of Representatives.
Plain and simple- it was a stolen election. We have joined the ranks of Banana Republics where votes do not count when others desire different results.
@NellC
You said “Quite. Which is why research is still carrying on. It didn’t all stop when the IPCC report was published, you know. “
I agree – there is very significant research going on about the climate right now. The most useful research is rigorous analysis of the Global Warming theory data and how it was conducted. Researchers are making important discoveries about how liars and cheats did all the research. We have not yet purged the scientific community of the germs that did this bogus research. That is the next important scientific project. Ridding the world of Phil Jones, his cronies, his acolytes, the true believers, Al Gore, etc. Then real science can resume. It obviously can’t resume until the crooks are removed from the science lab.
First it’s “Global Warming”, then when it’s not actually so warm they call it “Climate Change.” So therefore, if it’s warmer: man-made climate change! If it’s cooler: man-made climate change! If it rains more: man-made climate change! If it snows record blizzards: man-made climate change! Next on the news, the DOW Jones plummets due to man-made climate change!
The Emperor is wearing no clothes, but if he were, it would be a parka with a Global Warming logo.
@PAP
The only recount Gore won was the one that included overvotes, meaning the ones where the voter picked more than one candidate.
Alternately, if the courts were unable to resolve the election, it should have gone to the US House of Representatives.
Which was controlled by Republicans at that time, and Bush would most likely have won that vote anyway.
PAP has changed the subject… Bow and worship Gore
If a recount of Florida’s disputed votes in 2000’s close presidential election had been allowed to proceed by the U.S. Supreme Court, Republican George W. Bush still would have won the White House, two newspapers reported in 2001.
The Miami Herald and USA Today conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 “undercounted” ballots in Florida’s 67 counties that ended last month.
Their count showed that Bush’s razor-thin margin of 537 votes — certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State’s office — would have tripled to 1,665 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/04/04/florida.recount.01/
Bush then went on to win the U.S. Presidential election in 2004, as well.
@PAP the SCoUS bigfooted and ruled where it had no standing and voted right down party lines.
It certainly had standing to rule on a violation of the 14th amendment. And that ruling was 7-2, not a 5-4 party-line.
Wow. The US political scene appears to be completely consumed by toxic rivalries.
My topical posts are getting ignored and more badly researched propaganda is spilled instead.
Guys, this is not a good course for a developed country. You should really try to get it back on track – and if possible not on track back into the past.
A round of applause for Vice-President Al Gore on his re-election to the board of directors of Apple, Inc.
And, hey! How about that new iPad?
While reading this thread, I’ve noticed something: AGW skeptics keep repeating that the science behind AGW is bad science. AGW believers keep repeating that the AGW skeptics are bad people who don’t believe in science. I don’t think you people are listening to each other.
A person can be skeptical of a scientific theory without rejecting all science. More over, I haven’t met an AGW skeptic yet who believes that we don’t have an obligation to be good stewards of the earth. I think almost everyone believes that we do. But more importantly, demonizing and marginalizing people who aren’t as thoroughly convinced as you, about whatever topic, undermines the credibility of your own convictions. If the science is good science, the truth will prevail.
@kent
you never met a sweeping generalization, a broad stereotype and unsubstantiated idea you didn’t like. My god man you make the most ridiculous extrapolations from the most minimal data. Are you sure you aren’t one of your ‘junk’ sciencist you claim all climatologists are? There’s nothing with making a counter claim, but geez, at least keep it within the realms of possibility and reality.
One point you could have made- albeit somewhat unfarily- somewhere in all the mad ranting and thrashing about was the fact that it is in climate scientists’ self interest to push the issue as long as possible as it puts them center stage for research funding, recognition and academic position. You do wonder how much dodgy science was done by scientists funded by the oil, coal companies where the imperative for continued funding and selling ones academic integrity goes hand in hand. Like here’s some money scientist, jump boy, jump. But then that is unfair isn’t it? Because there are some scientist who will not be bought- integrity beyond price.
I love the labels people use like liberal, conservative, etc. Nothing makes you sound like a witless fool (tautology) then to have to rely on labeling people. It’s ad hominem. Eew you a liberal (person creates prejudical image in mind) or a conservative (liewise), that way you don’t have to heed what they say because mental image causes you to dismiss it. It acts as a filter for your prejudices. But then how do you expect to understand anything if you don’t keep an open mind? Therein lies the rub- open mind causes one to question (refer previous point about science) and doubt. But the shear strength of belief suggest zealotry. Nobody knows anything for sure (heisenberg) so adopting such a staunch position, while self-congratularoty for being able to perceive onself as strong and inflexible, is counterproductive. One can be a skeptic, but just keep ones mind just a little open. Only fools think they know the final answer on anything….
@brulek
The people in CHARGE of Global Warming science are the ones who controlled the junk science. CRU, UN, NASA – all guilty of corrupt science. You have not condemned any of this. You have not called for prosecutions. Why not?
If they were evil capitalists, instead of evil scientists attempting to steal taxpayers money, you would want them hung. Why the difference?
I guess I’ve always thought the stupidity of climate change deniers was just a myth. I mean, they can’t really think that just because it snows in winter that climate change isn’t real, can they? They can’t really think that because a few scientists, representing a negligible percentage of all climate scientists, made poor choices in email exchanges and data reporting that the entire spectrum of climate change data is some grand conspiracy, can they? I always figured it was just blatantly political lies of those invested in the current infrastructure. Well, after reading this entire thread, I’m just going to have to accept it. You deniers have got to be the most brutally stupid people in the history of humankind. Seriously, you make Birthers and Truthers look like the intellectual equivalent of the Enlightenment. When the fossil fuel economy collapses, I’m going to enjoy watching you stupid motherfuckers starve to death.
Gore did not reply. Here’s why:
“Silence is the most perfect expression of scorn.”
— George Bernard Shaw
@concerned european
if MDN can be taken as a microcosm or exemplar of the broad community then it is kind of scary isn’t it? Everybody yells, nobody listens, everybody is stubborn and nobody really understands what they’re yelling at the other indifferent and ignorant idiot about. Damn, pardon my sweeping generalizations. Actually I think there is a correlation between the louder the person is, the bigger the audience of like minded fools and the more simplistic and reductionist the message. It seems all lowest common denominator stuff centered around fear and paranoia. One must be afraid of everything apparently. It’s quite weird really because if you’re not one of these fearful villagers then the rest get out their pitchforks, call you something like conservative and liberal and try to perforate you. There doesn’t seem to be too mch actual thiking, debate and engagement with ones opponents. It appears to be all about tribalism. This is a shame because the United States was founded on the ideals of enlightnment and rational inquiry, and the rule of law and reason and respect for ones fellow man right to liberty, including freedom of expression and belief. In fact you could call it almost embuing nationhood on some of the fundamental tenets of science.
That seems to be getting lost, drowned out in the clamour of big mouth, low brow idiots to get heard because the more they get heard, the bigger the ratings and the more they get paid. Hmm…do I smell an agenda based on self-interest here…When did so many people stop thinking and just start accepting? It doesn’t bode well.
@kent
any scientist guilty of using false, corrupt results needs to be taken down and academically flayed. But to suggest all scientist in a given field are guilty of this is more than any one can take.
And I do have a problem with taking and using people’s money for whatever reason like bailouts, dodgy research to push one political agenda or another. But you do have to remember that climate science is not strictly a US controlled domain. And I don’t think its a conspiracy by everybody else in the world to deprive the US of its standard of living (which is not much better than many european countries or australia for that matter- in fact US doesn’t make the top three countries when it comes to quality of life, according to some surveys).
Personally I don’t profess to know the answer, whether it is true or not. I believe the shear complexity of the systems involved make it difficult to say for anything approaching certainty. And no, I don’t place all my faith in scientists because they are people too with the same foibles and failings. Groupthink also bothers me considerably, but on the balance of probability I do think however that global warming it a real phenomenon and that mankind is contributing to it. It may be that by doing so we averted an ice age! My point is that reducing omissions is not a harmful thing to do. It is all upside. I know there is this notion that co2 = GDP and it does (I did a paper on oil consumption and GDP once). But failure to grasp change and explore the possibilities of better energy use, even for the sake of denying crackpot regimes the billions of petrodollars they need to survive, is a poor act. We must evolve. It is our very nature.
Wow. The PAP smears sound very familiar….almost like someone changed their name, yet kept the same talking points and attitude.
However, my vote goes to OBill-Wan Kenobi for “Best Post Lately”.
One thing is for sure, I’d rather be wrong about climate change than spend time with the likes of:
Concerned European(s)
Brulek
AlGore
Rachel Maddow
Keith Olbermann
Do the right things folks – recycle, don’t waste, keep your car tuned up, and try to be a good human.
OTOH, why don’t any of you GW nutbags ever talk about population control? I know. Because your voting base is made up of handout-sucking, kid-creating losers.
So, on what science does Mr. Inhofe base his prominent skepticism of global warming theory? Any guesses…? If your first guess is conservative posturing and an association with the petroleum industry, you are on the right track. He is also a self-proclaimed “over-regulated ” businessman of several decades experience. All of this makes him a credible source of skepticism?
Think for yourself before you buy into the claims of others — Inhofe, Gore, Bush, Obama, Palin…anyone. If you are uninformed and easy to provoke, then you are simply a teabagger waiting for someone to push your buttons.
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Oklahoma Sen. James Inhofe — http://inhofe.senate.gov
“Jim was recently voted the “Most Outstanding Conservative U.S. Senator” by Human Events Newspaper and the American Conservative Union. He repeatedly receives various awards and recognitions, including the “Lifetime Service Award” from the Oklahoma Independent Petroleum Association…”
“Jim is a lifelong Oklahoman who grew up in Tulsa and graduated from the University of Tulsa with a degree in economics. He served in the U.S. Army and has been a small businessman working in aviation, real estate, and insurance for over 30 years.”
Me In LA: One thing is for sure, I’d rather be wrong about climate change than spend time with the likes of:
Concerned European(s)
Brulek
AlGore
Rachel Maddow
Keith Olbermann
Do the right things folks – recycle, don’t waste, keep your car tuned up, and try to be a good human.
OTOH, why don’t any of you GW nutbags ever talk about population control? I know. Because your voting base is made up of handout-sucking, kid-creating losers.
That in a debate which is ultimately about science and the verifiable evidence at its base your only idea is to personally smear and destroy the people whose arguments you apparently neither understand nor are able to counter pretty much says it all.
It also says a lot about the political and societal culture of your country at this point, which is a crying shame.
Instead of a civilized civic debate about issues which are seriously relevant to your future either way, there is lots of shrieking, invective, attempts to destroy people in lieu of arguments and mindless echoing of ready-made lobbyist propaganda.
It is like a bizarre window into a different world, or at least into a different era.
MDN word: “ago”
As in long ago.
I just want to point out that Al Gore DID NOT win an Oscar…the Docu that he starred in won an Oscar….
It’s like saying Leo has an Oscar because Titanic won a bunch….
Lastly, Climate Change does not mean no snow. Global Warming ONLY pertains to the Polar caps….which NO ONE is disputing that they are melting…
So please, just because it snowed during the winter time DOESN’T mean climate change is over…
@kingmel
Regarding Senator Jim Imhofe, he reads real scientists. And he has a brain and can distinguish real science from scams. On the other hand, Al Gore is a dullard, but one whose has a family heritage of cashing in on scams and frauds. AlGore makes much money now on investments in companies that can only profit from government subsidies.
Global climate is always in flux, the temperatures are mostly affected by solar activity (duh) and man has essentially no influence on the temperature. People do not have that power. Especially people who have to fabricate the data to make their supposed scientific points.
Thank God for Jim Imhofe and also the one honest person at the Climate Research Unit who exposed all the fraud perpetrated by the very top scientists of the Global Warming religion.
@kent
you’ve learned nothing from this discussion. Not a thing, for shame.
As for solar activity, it follows roughly 11 year cycles where we get increased sunspots, CME’s, flares, etc. The regularity of this enables discounting from temperature trends. As does the increasing amount of particulate matter in the atmosphere reducing the amount of sunlight by around 2-3% from 1945 levels. So sunlight fluctations, while present, seem rather flimsy at best.
It seems GCR (Galactic cosmic rays) might be a more viable candidate as an explanation for global warming than solar activity. Like I keep telling you (falling on deaf ears apparently), I don’t think anybody has the complete answer, but keeping an open mind and asking questions is far more likely to get you closer to the truth then sitting on your hands, close minded, believing only moronic rhetoric from one side of politics funded by those with the most to lose if global warming is caused by human activity. Its called the Ostrich principle and it’s dumb and lazy. But then casually dismissing all climatologists as cranks is on par with that as well. Or the inane remark about some ‘global warming religion’. You truly are misguided if you think highly rational individuals, most of whom tend to agnosticism and atheism, would fall prey to a misguided cabalism as you’ve apparently fallen prey to (the denier’s religion). Who is acting more like a religious zealot in all this: you, close minded with your lazy, unsupported and poorly considered generalizations, mistruths, distortions and plain lies or those who do question and who follow the scientific method? Tough question.
Just imagine if it all were a big fraud or misunderstanding or just plain wrong. What are the consequences of us having done this? Do you have a better world now or the one that removing dependance on fossil fuels will give you? Sooner or later we have to wean ourselves off fossil fuels anyway- they are not infinite. And then watch madhouses like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Liyba, Syria all fall over and wither in the dust taking their idiotic terrorism with them. There is no downside here.
@me in la
lame obfuscation, otherwise known as noise…you do it well and noise is irrelevant, just like your pointless opinions that contribute nothing but that.
Senator Inhofe (R)Oil, would not know climate science if it came up and bit him in the arse. He is a failed businessman who turned from Real Estate and Insurance after his company went bankrupt. It is precisely at this time that the skies parted and he was ‘called’ into the ministry of politics for profit.
Senator Inhofe’s largest contributors were from:
1-Oil & Gas Industry
2-Electric Utilities (that mostly use Coal to produce electricity)
Sounds like he is taking care of business to me.
@ brulek:
“Just imagine if it all were a big fraud or misunderstanding or just plain wrong. What are the consequences of us having done this? Do you have a better world now or the one that removing dependance on fossil fuels will give you? Sooner or later we have to wean ourselves off fossil fuels anyway- they are not infinite. And then watch madhouses like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Liyba, Syria all fall over and wither in the dust taking their idiotic terrorism with them. There is no downside here.”
LMFAO! That’s the same take Christians give to disbelievers!
Why don’t you take some of your own BS medicine and become a Christian! That way, if they’re right, you’ll be ready.
Brilliant. Brilliant way to again try to bolster the ever-falling crap “science” you drinkers are purveying as The Truth.
concerned european,
The ‘Hint Hammer’ that has been posting in this thread, is not me.
I shoulda, coulda, woulda, registered. But, I never did. I expected that there were grown-ups here, and that I didn’t need to. I was wrong.
Please google ‘Hint Hammer MDN’ or ‘Hint Hammer macdailynews’ or somesuch search, to see the type of entries that I’ve made.
@ Me in LA
Can I get some of what you’re smoking? It must be some fantastic sh1t!
@LMFAO: At least have the sack to post using your normal login.
Don’t be such a pussy.
LMFAO @ phredcat!
You pinko-commie libtards are all about free speech until someone disagrees with your bullshit.
This is here for fun.
Get over yourself already!
GFYSAH…and mouth-breathing inbred knuckle draggers like you will send the world to hell in a hand basket to feed the golden-calf thats riding your posterior brain cavity. Jackboot corporate fascist a$$vacuums of your ilk are too busy defecating in their own bath water to see the turds from the profits. Plain and simple the US is the scourge of the world that continually assassinate the best amongst them and poisons everything they touch no matter how well intentioned. Your sociopathic greed will kill all of us and the US will be holding the gun that finally does it. So just keep listening to FOX’s DER STRÖM. You know! what you all are so Zeig Heil to you!
Arbeit Macht Frei is the repugnicans new slogan for americas imperial eagle. Go to hell soon. From the rest of the world.
@me in la
your irrelevance is only surpassed by your lame stupidity. You truly are the poster child for population control and retrospective abortion. I guess the best part of you ran down your mother’s leg, the poor woman; just the shame and disappointment she must feel for having brought you into the world.
I don’t want others being me — for me.
I’m perfectly capable of making the most absolute and incomprehensible ass of myself — by myself.
Wow, Some real stupidity here. Good show.
To SlyRobber:
I got most of your anger. O.K.
Let’s talk?
Brulek – hit the showers – now – alone.
Libtards and Neocontards, can we change the subject for a post or two so that I am clear on where you stand? I get very confused when we discuss big vs. small government.
This is what I see; when talking about social institutions, social progressivism , and industry, the Libtards are for big government, really big taxing government and Neocontards are for small government. Libtards want a government agent in every business and in on every business decision. They want a government agent in every super market and doctors office to make sure that in the wealthiest nation in history that no one goes hungry or without care. Whilst Neocontards could careless what business does to the economy or the environment and even less about the poor. To them the poor and sick can just die in the streets. That will just spawn new clean-up and disposal industries and create jobs, therefore offsetting what the captains of industry have fucked up.
BUT, when it comes to personal freedom and choice you guys switch teams. Suddenly Neocontards are for big government, really big brother government and Libtards are for small government. Neocontards want a government agent in every bedroom, a government agent in every church and a government agent in every doctors office and pharmacy lest a couple of queers butt fuck each other then decide to exchange cock rings in matrimony or the neighborhood slut gets pregnant and wants an abortion. Well they’re for big government if she wants an abortion. They want to force her to have the child. But if she is poor, on drugs or otherwise unfit, they want small government, so that no one has to feed or give healthcare to the little brat. And Libtards want no government whatsoever to impede the alternative lifestyle’s hedonistic take-over of common decency. They expect everyone to accept every diabolic faggotry and perversion that could ever be thought up as normal and as a substitute for the way society has functioned for millennia. Well, they’re for big government in the instance of gun control. That is one personal liberty that they just can’t accept.
Both pretend to advocate freedom of speech. But what they really advocate is freedom of speech for people that think and agree with their point of view. All others are ignorant, uneducated fools blinded by idiocy and need to be either locked up or silenced in some other way.
So Libtards and Neocontards are both for and against big government (depending on personal agenda) and both Libtards and Neocontards are for and against freedom of speech and [removed]depending on whether you agree with them or not).
Have I got all of this correct?
I’ve never understood the claim by the global warming deniers that Al Gore said if you pay HIM enough money, the problem will go away. This claim is so ridiculous that any moron can see it’s false. Unfortunately, the people who believe Al Gore made up global warming as a get-rich-quick scheme, refuse to listen to the science scientific consensus. And parrot the talking points from right wing radio and Fox propaganda channel.
History will show that it was the Republicans who denied global warming.
Al Gore and global warming were miniscule parts of
the stockholder meeting. Don’t depend on FOX “news”
for impartial reporting (Gore didn’t ’cause a stir’)
The real story is Shelton Ehrlich who provided comic
relief in his quest for his ’15 minutes of fame’
Ah, guys, guys, stop bitching about Gore. You are missing the real point here: TOGA PARTY!!!!!
Ain’t no Arctic Ocean on the back 40, Martha, so them sine-tists don’t know nuttin’. ‘Sides, it’s time to pray for 17-cents-a-gallon gas fer the Terraplane.
@HeuyLong
The Greenland Ice Sheet data has largely been debunked. The temperature has NOT risen anywhere near what Gore and company predicted.
In addition, measurements of the ice shows that at least twice within the last 20,000 years it was melting faster than it is now.
Or to put it in CNN speak, “Duh, I hear it’s called Greenland for a reason.”
MDN Magic Word: “Simple” as in Global Warming religious nuts are truly a simple minded bunch.
1. MDN Poll is easily hacked. I can write a script that adds votes very easily.
2. Climate Change is at least questionable at this point and clinging to it as pure science is naive. Climate Change is politics and business, but it isn’t science.
3. Al Gore is a horrendously polarizing figure. He represents everything about the despicable, arrogant, pompous, racist left that I despise. He belongs on the board of Apple about as much as Hugo Chavez, and less than Pee Wee Herman. He is a liar, an opportunist, and a con man. Knowing that this is the perception of at least half the people in this country, no one should want him anywhere near a public company.
The fact that he is given options on tens of thousands of shares of Apple computer sickens me.
Algore came out of his igloo today!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28gore.html
Also, where was algore when he was in the White House?
Never heard him on this rant until he lost to Bush?
Why did he get religion AFTER he was in a position to do something, but not profit from it?
Why does algore continue to use energy at a rate 30x the average American’s usage?
You liberal-commies will do anything to destroy the US and take away private property and rights. Pure Marxist liars. We conservatives are going to put a stop to you freaks in 2010 and 2012. Screw you!
The sun is what affects the climate. Not us. Go burn your own money.
@ JerryT
Correctomundo.
Liberals do not represent the little guy. They are Marxist and will do and say anything to grab power and other people’s hard earned money and property. You CNN, NY Slimes, PMSNBC loving freaks can go F yourselves. These people in charge are disgusting in every way. Our founding fathers are doing back flips in their graves over what’s happening. We conservative, patriotic Americans hate you liberal-Marxist-statist scum.
Worst. Post. Ever.
Wow apparently if you’re not a conservative you are a liberal-marxist-statist scum. Tough call. So roughly 50% of the US population are such (better ship them off the canada). I know there are plenty of intelligent conservatives (though you wonder how many voted against bailing out their campaign contributors as any true proponent of the free market would have since failure is important in the market so as to remove inefficiencies in the market) but why they hell does it seem so many conservatives are so ridiculously bigoted, pig headed, close minded, paranoid, dim witted, stubborn and delusional to the point of thinking they are living in 1955?
There’s nothing wrong with fiscal conservatism: given the US debt at 12 trillion you do start to wonder why Clinton (a liberal no less) was the last president to have ongoing budget surplus. I know, the (endless) war on terror drained the budget. It’s a perfect war (more so than vietnam) because realistically it has no end, feeds the paranoia of all and sundry and increases military spending for the last US industries- defence. The rest moved the China or Mexico and now China is inexorably buying up the US. So let me get this straight, you buy oil overseas (oil erodes democracy in every country that has it thereby creating the opportunity for state sponsored terrorism or building nukes or other nasties) so you give your enemy your money, tax your people or run a huge deficit (borrowing from China) to fight you enemy funded by you money such that china uses your money to buy your country away, while getting ever more dependent on your enemy for oil to drive your car to your non-existent job (which is now in china or india) forcing your kids into the military because its the only job they can get. So how do you win this? Where’s the off switch? The switch is oil and energy self-sufficiency. Good luck flicking it….
ou idiots think this is political opinion ? The massively inconclusive , hypothetical “computer model” of Gores whole scheme is so far from science , well ,yes it has become a joke ….Concerned about the environment ? Fine , then do it with TRUTH , not childish agenda…
What’s even funnier about this denialist mentality is the idea that climate change is something Al Gore made up or invented, and can’t be true because his personal politics are distasteful to some. That’s so stupid as to not require rebuttal. But basically, it’s the same thing as claiming evolution is a lie because you don’t like Darwin’s view on women.
Regardless of whether global warming is true or not, MDN could help all of us by removing the energy sucking ads Flash ads from its site. You are always complaining about Flash, how about show a bit of leadership and get rid of this crap from your site.
A successful, liberal company like Apple Inc. deserves a qualified, progressive-thinking board of directors. Congratulations to Vice-President Al Gore and Apple!
@someone
Best post in this thread.
Are there still Republicans left with an IQ above 69?
Just move away from low-lying coastal areas. Not that big of a deal.
Steve
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Talkin’ John Birch Paranoid Blues
Bob Dylan
Well, I was feelin’ sad and feelin’ blue,
I didn’t know what in the world I was gonna do,
Them Communists they wus comin’ around,
They wus in the air,
They wus on the ground.
They wouldn’t gimme no peace. . .
So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society,
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin’ down the road.
Yee-hoo, I’m a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!
Now we all agree with Hitlers’ views,
Although he killed six million Jews.
It don’t matter too much that he was a Fascist,
At least you can’t say he was a Communist!
That’s to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria.
Well, I wus lookin’ everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin’ ‘n’ looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn’t find ’em . . .
I wus lookin’ high an’ low for them Reds everywhere,
I wus lookin’ in the sink an’ underneath the chair.
I looked way up my chimney hole,
I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl.
They got away . . .
Well, I wus sittin’ home alone an’ started to sweat,
Figured they wus in my T.V. set.
Peeked behind the picture frame,
Got a shock from my feet, hittin’ right up in the brain.
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones.
Well, I quit my job so I could work alone,
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes.
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol’ Betty Ross . . .
Well, I investigated all the books in the library,
Ninety percent of ’em gotta be burned away.
I investigated all the people that I knowed,
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go.
The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me.
Now Eisenhower, he’s a Russian spy,
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy.
To my knowledge there’s just one man
That’s really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell.
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus.
Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outa things to investigate.
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else,
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself!
Hope I don’t find out anything . . . hmm, great God!
it is happening regardless if we want to believe it yall all want some hollywood version where one day all our beaches are there the next day were redrawing our maps around the world. you just are too happy with your ways and want to keep filling up landfills cuz ur lazy ass’ hate thinking about long term effects. If apple didnt give a flying PLUCK eitha they woulda kept on with the plastic computers thankfully the design team at apple has brains and has switched to aluminum
@maccam
“I have worked for some years in Greenland, and the shrinkage of the inland ice is very apparent.”
My regards to Greenland. If the ice shrinks any more – you’ll be able to see all those farms and houses built there several hundred years ago 😀
Al Gore – close him down and give the money back to the (laughing) stock holders! The guy has always been a yellow-belly.
As per usual, science is beyond the comprehension of any basic human.
As per usual, humans rarely avoid their man-made disasters. And rarely do they clean up after them either.
If Al Gore were 100% correct in his assertions regarding The Greenhouse Effect, this exact same mocking and diversion from the subject would occur.
This is my species.
@ Brulek
Well Said.
Wow, didn’t expect a hit job on science from this site. Good thing there are plenty of other sites where I can get my Mac news.
25% of the people who voted for Maobama had no idea what a Marxist he is. There is serious buyers remorse going on. This guy is purposely destroying the US. All while his Dr. is telling him to cut down on his alcohol consumption and cigarette smoking. These people want to destroy the USA.
To all of you global warming lemmings, give it up. The hoax has been exposed. You were caught red handed fudging the numbers. The earth has been warming ever since the last ice age. The sun is what causes climate change. Volcanoes too. Humans have very little effect. It’s all a scam to steal private property and create another crisis to allow these extra new powers of government. It’s embarrassing how you morons just follow along with this global warming BS. SAD!
Yeah, that’s another pretty stupid comment about climate change. “It’s snowing! The climate isn’t getting warmer!”
It’s global climate change, morons, not tri-county area climate change.
please stop hisshadow. it’s pathetic how much of a lemming you are. this global warming farce has been exposed. no one but the lemmings will go along with that angle to steal liberty and private property. you look like a complete fool.
Please note that Mr. Gore wrote this column in the New York Times for the Sunday, February 28, 2010 edition: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28gore.html?ref=opinion
Could someone get this offensive JerryT’s comments (above) removed, please? Does anyone even monitor this site? I know I will be bypassing it if this is what passes for discourse.
Michael Hughes,
Have my comments removed? You want to silence and opinion? So are you a conservative that believes in freedom of speech and expression, or are you a liberal that believes in freedom of speech and expression?
You realize that freedom of speech is to protect those that you do not agree with, not to protect the majority view, right?
I’m using very crude arguments to underscore the idiocy of both sides…
How do you global idiots explain the FACT that Jupiter, Pluto, and Mars have the exact same global warming going on??????????? Case closed you freaking idiots! Stop trying to use global warming as an excuse to steal hard working American’s private property you low lives.
JerryT thinks he’s so cute riding the middle. What a spineless wussy!
MIchelle Hughes – you are a spineless wussy as well.
@phredcat et al… Yeah, I barely come here anymore. I love Macs and run about 100 of them in my job… But I am a realist. The mac commentary is usually just embarrassing fanaticism. This rightwing BS seals it…. I am done with MDN as well.