“Are Mac users smarter than PC users? I doubt it’s possible to get a definitive answer, but as long as you don’t take any of it too seriously you can have a lot of fun playing with proxies such as the average user’s ability to read and write his or her native language,” Paul Murphy writes for LinuxInsider.
Murphy writes, “[Ratings for Mac users were] significantly higher than those given Slashdot’s contributors, and thus better than those given text from the PC sites, but the vocabulary was larger too. Without collapsing words to their root forms, but after removing punctuation (including capitalization) and numbers, the Macintouch stuff had 870 unique words to only 517 for the combined PC sites. Overall, the results are pretty clear: Mac users might not actually be smarter than PC users, but they certainly use better English and a larger vocabulary to express more complex thinking.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Just over two years ago, a report from from Nielsen/NetRatings stated, “Those who surf the Web using a Mac tend to be better educated and make more money than their PC-using counterparts.” So, of course Mac users use better English and a larger vocabulary to express more complex thinking. Why? What’s painfully obvious to most Mac users may not seem so clear to the majority of Windows sufferers, so we’ll just flat out say it: Mac users are smarter than Windows users. On that, you can quote us.
Give me a break. This is nonsense
It�s pathetic to think that someone is smarter because he is using a different OS.
Pathetic with a capital P.
Anyone who has used both Mac OS X and Windows XP and chooses the Mac isn’t making much of a statement about his or her massive intelligence. It’s rather an obvious choice. Those few who choose Windows even after seeing Mac OS X in action are the ones that skew the intelligence ratings so low for the Wintellites. You’d have to be a full-on cretin to pick Windows.
Most Windows users are simply ignorant of the Mac for some reason, so they still have the opportunity to prove their intelligence in the future.
thats an example of not thinking too complex there boeing
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Boeing777, you are showing the idiot side. You have the cause and effect reversed. Because they are smarter, they use Macs. Duh. And it’s supposed to fun.
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Me likes them Macintoshes.
Boeing777, maybe the story is really that because we are smarter, we use the Mac OS. If I were dumber and didn’t know better, I’d probably use Windoze.
Please, don’t hate me because I’m smart. There are so many better reasons to hate me…
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Happy weekend to all!
Cleetus, git off thuh roof!
moo.
Jess cuz i aint gots some teeth i gots a few in my piehole. I pik winders cuz i needs software choices and i likes pikin from 100 word processors even though everybody only uses one or two. i done gone to arkansaz junior college an i is jess as smart as you MAC peeples. fuk u.
Actually, there is a factor of being comfortable with one’s machine too. Mac users have the potential to be more productive than Windoze users. I mean, I don’t freak out when I hear, “You’ve got mail,” as I’m not expecting any email-based malware intrusions or attacks of any kind, nor am I expecting my OS to freeze or crash at any time (especially since I ditched Exploder). Even the humble iCab browser has a search field in the toolbar that’ll take me to a page in dictionary / thesaurus.com with the term I entered.
I gots most o my teef left in my noggin and i bet i can think more complex than any of u’s. i done gone to west virginny state 3 years out of 4, so i might be smarter than billgates who aint done even got that far, i reckon. MAC peeples is 2 smart fer there own good is my 2 sense.
Fred Mertz, I concur.
If’n u gots all of yer teeth u r overrated in my book. Their i said it. MAC users needs to git on with dieing out all ready. i pik Winders cause my cousin said to and i like my cousin so much i marryed her.
Picking XP over OS X would rank in stupidity right up there with Boeing leaving Seattle for Chicago. Kind of like trading in a new BMW for a 20 year old clapped-out Yugo.
hey jest cuz my mama and pappy is furst cuzins dont meen i aint gots no smartz i jest aint as quik on the uptake as yer reggaler MAC uzer. i is mad at the scients what done this report cuz it makes me feel like a tard and i is sik of heerin it
i aint that tarded. i can use winders jest lik everbody els.
I can think as complex as anybody. I choose Windows because everybody else uses it and I do not see any MACS for sale at Wal-Mart or on Home Shopping Channel, so you know nobody uses them. Also, there aren’t any games or other software for MAC, so what good is a computer that just sits there? How’s that for complex?
It is a general observation of most animals that the dumber they are, the larger the group they will form. The more intelligent animals tend to be loners or form small “family” groups.
It takes intelligence to break from the crowd and hunt on your own � make your own decisions � and to realize that you could be smarter than the group as a whole.
Windows’ herd mentality:
– “Everyone uses Windows.”
– “So many people can’t be wrong!”
– “I feel safer using what everyone else is using.”
Apple’s independent mentality”
http://www.thecompleat.com/crazyones/video/index.htm
[play the video]
Perhaps, people in general are dumb and naturally join herds (compare city/suburbs with rural populations). It is for this reason that Apple may never be number 1. The Apple staff is constantly trying to “Think Different”, and these changes frighten too many in the herd.
It is sad though, that the ones within the herd (by the very nature of a herd) are unable to notice that Apple is at the head of the herd. There are rumors and myths of what may lie ahead, but with a herd so large, no one can see the truth. The very thought of possibly moving outside the herd just to take a glimpse of reality is enough to scare them back into the group. It has already been proven that such a tight herd can be easily succumbed by a rapid virus.
Apple is more of a family group. There is support for each other, and they can explore new routes with much greater ease and flexibility.
There are followers and there are leaders; a herd mentality or an independent spirit. Which are you?
Pale Rider’s right on the money. We’re not smarter because we use OS-X, we use OS-X because we’re smarter.
And no, we shouldn’t take it too seriously, it’s a bit of fun.
I did mail the link to a colleague who likes to say “Macs ar 5hit” to me, just to see if he’ll get a response. Just for fun.
Dude, “there ain’t no games or software” why does all under developed Windows-using scum think that. Wake up from your little dream world, scum.
http://www.aspyr.com – games
just about anywhere – SW
I think some people here need to find girlfriends…
i don found a girlfrind – she done be my cuzin – so their
@ NoPCZone: Huh? What’s Boeing’s move got to do with it? Chicago is a great place for a company to move. It’s a central location with two major airports, major railroad distribution points, shipping ports, world-class educational centers, and on and on and on. While Seattle has much of that, it certainly isn’t centrally located. I’m not saying that Boeing had to move, but Chicago is far from being a poor choice.
And we is gonna make more little winders users so their. hows that float yer boats smarty pantz MAC users? betcha we makes mor little uns than u do. how that be fer complex thinkin?
@ Teh amc make roxorz: Um, don’t you know what sarcasm is?
Unfortunately, “Teh amc make roxorz” brings down Mac users’ average intelligence level. Luckily for the rest of us, he’s part of a very small minority, so it’s statistically meaningless.
How did you take that apart?
Mac user: I looked it over from all sides, determined the order in which I felt it was put together and performed the actions in reverse. (Total time: 12 minutes)
Windows user: I beat it with a shovel over and over until it fell apart. Some of it’s broken now, but “close enough,” I always say! (Total time: 1 hour, 8 minutes)
Legitimate explanation: Macs are more expensive. Therefore, you must have more money to buy them. Those that have more money tend to be able to afford better education. Thus the deciding factor is money, which affects education and computer choice.
For those who insulted me.
You do believe anything you read don’t you? If so, then you have shown a major immaturity in your thinking.
Saying that I’m an idiot is making you intellectually disabled because I haven’t insulted anyone in here. I simply commented this very MDN topic.
When you disagree with someone you need to have a point to back your view. Insults are for children.
I had no money starting out. But, I had a brain. And I ended up paying for my considerable education loans with my Macintosh-based work. Now, I have the means to be able to live in nice houses and drive nice cars and buy nice Macs. Brains came first (thanks, God) and the money followed.
there are so many Windows users that the weight of their numbers is going to pull their aggregate IQ/salary/level of education down. Doesn’t necessarily make Mac users smarter.
Some people have very little money but are 100 times happier than people with money. Some folks tend not to worry about how much they have, but what’s in their heart that matters most. Surround yourself with happy poor people and you’ll always be picking up tips…
It is not that people are smarter because they use a Mac. It is people use a Mac because they are smarter!!!!
The cream always rises to the top.
And Macusers are faggots, too. Like me.
My Mac buddies pay twice as much for the same thing I got on the Wintel side. Who’s the dummy now? B-durp!
This has to be the dumbest MacDailyNews article yet. It’d be better named MacDailyRants since there’s rarely much news here that doesn’t come attached with a “MacDailyNews Take:” which dumbs down the whole article into a childish and biased cheap-shot at everyone’s favorite punching bag, Microsoft.
In a nice bit of irony Boeing777, the article points out that more Windows users use a ‘handle’ on forum posts while the Mac users tended to use real names.
– Robert
It’s not quite as pathetic as you might think. People do not become more intelligent because they use a different OS, rather, they use a different OS because they are already more intelligent.
Here is proof that Mac users are smarter!
I scanned this from the world book almanac 2003 edition
yes i spelled it almamac on purpose, Now where exactly do you get the idea that windows users are smarter?
What was that grouping term I heard used somewhere? “A Smug of Mac Users”? Wonder where that came from?
Crackhead’s comment shows just how stupid Wintel users can be. They believe the Windows crap they spent “half as much” for is equal to the Mac hardware/OS/software I got. Ignorant PC users have never seen what you get for your dollar on the Mac.
When people are better educated, they are usually paid better. If they’re paid better, they buy better products. Apple makes better computers. Bottom line. Suck it up Boing 777.
ARRGH! this topic is always good for combative posts…
Boeing, your initial post kicks off with getting the ’cause-effect’ relationship BACKWARD, guy… Using a particular OS doesn’t make you SMARTER, but rather, the article surmises that SMARTER people pick OSX. Which may or may not be true. But understand the premise.
Smarter doesn’t mean you make more money. Your boss makes way more money than you, but he’s definitely not smarter than you. Who’s smarter, Bill Gate or Steve Jobs?
Maybe we’re just not as dumb
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I’ve always thought that the decision whether to buy a Mac or Wintel was an IQ test of sorts.
In 1984 I owned a Commodore 64 and had access to IBMs and Apple IIs, as well as dedicated computers like the kind that programmed multi-media shows. I used to program those computers to control large slide shows. I heard about the Mac, went to an Apple store, played around with a 128k Mac for about 5 minutes. It was obvious that the Macintosh was a huge leap forward, so I bought one. And I’ve never looked back.
20 years later, the superficial differences have blurred. Most people are fooled by the fact that Windows and the Mac ‘look and feel’ pretty close to each other. To the casual observer.
But as we all know, the difference between a PC and a Mac is the difference between a transvestite and a real woman.
All kidding aside.. I go with the Money = Macs theory. Even though it is generally the computer of choice for creatives of all types: musicians, artists, photographers, etc. who often do not have much money at all. But if a higher education goes with intelligence and money, then the Mac certainly has a better chance of ending up in their house.
David Vesey
This kind of article is nonsense. Just because there is a correlation between data doesn’t always mean there is a direct cause and effect. I think in this case what we see is that more educated people have more disposable income and hence less likely to buy a computer based solely on price.
So, with 90% or more of the market and cheap machines, WinTel machines are more likely to have users with less education. Make a Mac for $10 and you may see a completely different demographic.
rejoice in writing at a 6th grade level, vs. a 5th grade level.
Eric wrote: When people are better educated, they are usually paid better. If they’re paid better, they buy better products. Apple makes better computers. Bottom line. Suck it up Boing 777.
Interesting, so now anyone with money can buy a smart mind by purchasing a Mac right? Is this how you think yourself smarter?
Plus, do you have to wait for an article or an analysis to tell you that you’re smart because of the computer you chose.
Some less fortunate people are smarter to pick a more affordable solution that fits their needs rather than thinking that a smart attitude can be bought in an Apple store.
Eric…ditto.
The perception is that Macs cost more $$$. Whether the Mac is worth it or not may be debatable, the point is that the more intelligent usually make more $$$ and they have the moeny to pay for a Mac.
Irfoton, your logic seems flawed.
True, buying a Mac does not make you smarter anymore so than buying a Rolls Royce makes you richer. However, the overwhelming majority of those who buy a Rolls Royce are rich.
Then there are those of us who would rather save up the money and buy a quality product and have it work for a longer period of time than “save” the money upfront and pay out the wazoo later on – to say nothing of lost productivity, unexpected and catastrophic crashes, extra work to clean out unwanted “visitors”, and continuous update vigilance and reboots that just aren’t an issue on a Mac. I know – I recently convinced my boss to let me replace an aging Compaq 733 with a 17″ iMac. I no longer have to worry about any of that any more.
I don’t consider myself rich, but when seriously comparing the ROI and TCO of a Mac vs. any PC it sure did make sense to go for a Mac.
What a bunch of sheep…
BAAAAAA!
One type of person isn’t smarter BECAUSE he uses a Mac…
People choose to use a Mac, BECAUSE they ARE SMARTER!
The intelligence comes first.
Although I can certainly see a plausible argument being made that, using a Mac would make one appear smarter and all evidence is that it makes you far more productive and anecdotally much happier.
Conversely what can you call a group who continues to use a platform that is utterly insecure, comes with the absolute certainty of loosing your data if not more, continues to cost thousands each year just to keep the pile of shit Windows running?
Stupid appears to be the logical conclusion, if you reached a different conclusion I suggest you start using a Mac as fast as possible, you need all the help you can get.
Aryugaetu, your comments add another perspective to what I was recently reading in Douglas Rushkoff’s Playing the Future about colonial organisms, phase-locking, and other topics relating to “herd collectivity”. Now I’m really desperate to find someone to discuss that with!
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I’m not sure if Bill Gates is dumb, I don’t think I’d argue that.. but he sure isn’t creative.. and I consider creativity to be the greatest measure of intelligence. So if that was the *only* criteria for measuring intelligence I *would* call Bill Gates dumb, but since it’s not, he is intelligent, but in a sort of “reptile” way…
Caesar: in order to seriously compare ROI and TCO of Macs vs PC one has to be smart. No wonder then s/he buys a Mac.
If you are not smart most of the time you go with the majority thinking larger group must be right, hence the choice of less smart people. They do not even know about ROI and TOC meanings and already comparing sticker prices is a stress for the computing power of their brains.
How about Wintel users replying to “what version of operating system are you running” with “Office 98”. Or denigrating Macs as toys and soon after complaining they would not buy them because “there are not enough games for it as with PCs”.
Can you spell I-D-I-O-T-S ?
yup, is probably that: there are more idiots using PC than Macs.
I think you’re maybe missing a few points …
1. There aren’t that much /really/ intelligent people on this planet. And the bigger the group that you’re examining is, the more examples of unintelligent or dumb people you’ll find. Apple is a small group compared to wintel. But that also means that you’ll find just the same numbers of idiots among them and a compressed group of clever people.
2. Far too many people use news like this to feel better about themselves or their decision to buy a mac. Macs are cool, there’s no doubt about that. But no matter what, they’ll only be machines. A simple office worker will probably never require the high end power a mac would give him … and to be i think it would be wasted power, too.
3. Wintels will of course use stuff like this against the Apple community, by turning around what we said and showing everybody just how sure we are about everything we say just to hold it against us whenever they find a bug in MacOs or whenever there will be any quality loss in Apples hardware.
So please … don’t make a hype out of what is basicly a joke.
Consider this:
1. Creativity. Some of the most creative people on the planet are dumber than a bag of hair. Look at Streisand or Whoopi. Like many creative types both are extremely talented but otherwise, clueless. Artists use Macs but they also use other tools of their trade; doesn’t make them any smarter than the roofer who chooses the right hammer.
2. Affordability. Ask yourself, if Macs were cheaper than PCs would marginally educated people buy them? I know a lot of average folks with standard educations who would love a Mac “if I could afford one”.
3. Intelligence. Some of the most brilliant profs on the campus at which I am employed are Win users. Some of the most idiotic, lame-brain profs (and yes, there are those) who work here use a Mac and wouldn’t have it any other way. Of course, some might say that there are people who KNOW they are idiots and recognize that they need an easy to use computer. How might that skew the stats? Another way of looking at this is that people are bright in different ways. They may be superior writers but simultaneously believe that John Kerry is a “man of the people”.
4. Affluence vs, education. Many people are well-off despite having marginal levels of education (i.e. actors, sports figures, auto factory workers, etc.). Many are smart, others are going to be as bright as a box of styrofoam. Whether they prefer a Mac or a PC is going to be related as much to their exposure to the technology, what their friends use, what their employer provides to them, what platform they have grown up with, what software they have to run, and their own adaptability to change, as to any SAT test they may have passed.
As an aside, just look at the quality of the writing and critical thinking abilities in the MDN forums. Most of the posters herein are Mac users but some can barely put a coherent sentence together. Others think Michael Moore is the bomb. That alone makes me question the premise of this article.
I agree that all things being equal, the wise choice (and this is really about wisdom, not intelligence isn’t it?) will usually be the Mac but even though I am a long-time Mac user and one of the wisest people I know
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Thus, I think the jury is still out on this one.
Cheers,
B
Others think Michael Moore is the bomb.
The bomb or da bomb?
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“Affordability” as purely a cost issue can have a negative influence on the priority of value in purchasing choices and economics often forces that issue.
“da bomb” works.
-b
I read the article and got a chuckle out of it. I read the responses and thought “Good grief, people! It’s only a junk article!” That being said… it has been my experience that while Mac users in general may not be “smarter” than their Windows user comrades, Mac users seem to know more about the inner workings of their chosen machines and OSes than Windows users.
Case in point: there was a woman I had sat next to for several days while our kids were taking a swim class. We spoke off and on but not extensively. One day she came in with a copy of a popular Mac centric magazine at which I pointed and said “Et tu?” For the next hour we talked on all things Macintosh; rumor sites, G5 envy, maintaining our Macs, migrating from OS 9 to OS X, the ease of use of iPhoto, iPods and, of course, the lack of malware. Although we were both average users we both completely understood each other and even shared Mac tips. This seems to happen with nearly every Mac user I encounter.
Most Windows users I meet, and I meet a lot more of them, feel that if they manage to get the computer on, browse a little without getting some sort of malware, and figure out how to retreive a jpeg from an email, they’ve had a productive computer expreience. But far more Windows users I’ve encountered (even today) complain about their computers but still want to tell me “Macs are junk” while Mac users joke at times about “Windblows” but are to a person very happy with their choice.
Now this is simply “voodoo statistics” and my personal experience and is far more imprecise than the aforementioned article but… if you were impartial and this were all the information you had, who would you assume were the more mature and intellegent? Just a question.
I think it’s fairly clear when you go to any of our political threads and read the likes of Jay Rice and his cronies that in fact their are many Mac users who have the heads jammed up their own asses. I nice trick, perhaps something that will get you in the circus, but smart? No.
Beeblebrox, the man who knows all, how you lay claim to the stupidity of many college professors! The ivory tower from which you preach is built with shameless ego strokes.
G-spank,
Your syntax is so poor I that I can’t quite discern the substance of your accusation.
Did I say “many” college professors? I don’t think I did. But thanks for putting words in my mouth nonetheless.
Also, I am a long ways from knowing all. But I do know a fair amount about a few things. Fully understanding the poverty of modern day Liberalism is one of those things.
-B
And by “syntax” I mean sentence structure. I don’t really care about typos, improper spelling, bad punctuation, or incorrect use of a verb (I have been known to dabble in such from time to time myself just for fun). It’s just that if you want to insult me, do it coherently lest we miss the whole point of your post.
And one other thing – G-Spank’s “Jay Rice” crack.
Just because someone is foul-mouthed and insulting doesn’t make them dumb. A less than strategic thinker maybe, but not dumb. Jay may be crass but then, so are many of his opponents. What I would prefer to see is for people to debate truthfully, Rice included. We should disagree, attempt to persuade, and enjoy the discussion in the process. But shouldn’t it be done with honesty?
But IMHO, the problem is that more than a few of the vocal Liberals posting at MDN tend toward not only venom, but blind hateful and vacuous venom – often devoid of rationality. What happened to debating the relative merits of your preferred ideology? When did character assassination and deception become Liberalism’s first line of offense? Repeating Michael Moore slander is only just one of the primary examples of this.
By the way, the brilliant PC-using professor to whom I earlier referred? He’s one of the biggest lefties I know. I disagree with him on nearly every political issue but I enjoy talking to him because he’s honest. He knows that repeating debunked MoveOn.org or Moore talking points would make him sound stupid. Something he is not, so he doesn’t.
Cheers,
B
well I just got in from a 10 hour drive, so forgive me. Anyway, I know from experience that it’s pointless to hold any discussion with you. I can say that, however, one area where you have no problems is in your self worth. In your mind, I bet you are one of the smartest people on the planet. Congratulations!
G,
I don’t mind being proven wrong. If you can, bring it on. If you can’t then alternativly, feel free to patronize away.
B
P.S. And yes, in my own mind, I am one of the smartest people on the planet. But then again, I think you are too!
It’s funny because there is nothing that I really feel the need to “prove you wrong” about right now, but after reading the posts here would be a few nit-picks, for entertainment value…
1) I would say that because Apple’s value is not as simple to calculate, the average consumer is probably indeed more intelligent than the average PC consumer. I would go further and say that the average PC consumer is more likely to “just do what everybody else does” which is a form of laziness. Why think when other people can think for you.
2) I would contend that the Jay Rice crew is much worse than the “liberal” people you refer to.
3) Thinking about something musically or visually is much more complex than picking the right hammer. For one, picking the correct hammer (or golf club) has a hell of a lot less variables than picking out the notes or the colors that you want to represent a particular emotion or idea.
G,
I agree with you on 1. People are lazy. Stupid people and intelligent people alike. All of us can succumb to the herd mentality if we are not diligent. We see this in both PC purchasing and Fahrenheit 9/11 ticket sales alike.
I’m not sure what the “crew” is that you refer to in number 2. From my perspective, for every Jay Rice (and it should be said that the last two posts I’ve seen from him were venom-free and very informative) I can count dozens of flame throwers on the Left in these threads.
As for number 3, I agree but my point was not about the complexity of the profession but about being wise in choosing the right tools. I consider any graphic artist who chooses Windows as their platform of choice to be a fool (and many appear to be) but they may still be intelligent and capable artists – just unwise.
And this goes to my primary point. It is not intelligence, education, affluence, or any of the other factors we have been discussing that leads a person to the right platform for their situation, it is common sense (wisdom). And, as the saying goes, “common sense is not all that common”.
Cheers,
-B
P.S. Hope you have recovered fully from your 10 hour trip.
G,
I agree with you on 1. People are lazy. Stupid people and intelligent people alike. All of us can succumb to the herd mentality if we are not diligent. We see this in both PC purchasing and Fahrenheit 9/11 ticket sales alike
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I’m not sure what the “crew” is that you refer to in number 2. From my perspective, for every Jay Rice (and it should be said that the last two posts I’ve seen from him were venom-free and very informative) I can count dozens of flame throwers on the Left in these threads.
As for number 3, I agree but my point was not about the complexity of the profession but about being wise in choosing the right tools. I consider any graphic artist who chooses Windows as their platform of choice to be a fool (and many appear to be) but they may still be intelligent and capable artists – just unwise.
And this goes to my primary point. It is not intelligence, education, affluence, or any of the other factors we have been discussing that leads a person to the right platform for their situation, it is common sense (wisdom). And, as the saying goes, “common sense is not all that common”.
Cheers,
-B
P.S. Hope you have recovered fully from your 10 hour trip.
G,
I agree with you on 1. People are lazy. Stupid people and intelligent people alike. All of us can succumb to the herd mentality if we are not diligent. We see this in both PC purchasing and Fahrenheit 9/11 ticket sales alike
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I’m not sure what the “crew” is that you refer to in number 2. From my perspective, for every Jay Rice (and it should be said that the last two posts I’ve seen from him were venom-free and very informative) I can count dozens of flame throwers on the Left in these threads.
As for number 3, I agree but my point was not about the complexity of the profession but about being wise in choosing the right tools. I consider any graphic artist who chooses Windows as their platform of choice to be a fool (and many appear to be) but they may still be intelligent and capable artists – just unwise.
And this goes to my primary point. It is not intelligence, education, affluence, or any of the other factors we have been discussing that leads a person to the right platform for their situation, it is common sense (wisdom). And, as the saying goes, “common sense is not all that common”.
Cheers,
-B
P.S. Hope you have recovered fully from your 10 hour trip.
Sorry for the triple post. The MDN server seems to have hiccuped. Wouldn’t accept the submit without an error (but went ahead and posted all three attempts anyway).
-B
It’s all good. Though you are right that herd mentality affects the sales of well, probably all things, I bet most people are going to see F9-11 out of sheer interest in what Mike Moore has to say about current events. Personally, I found it to be a very entertaining movie, exceptionally well crafted, and definitely funny at times. Sure you have to take his skew with a grain of salt, but he does also present only facts, albeit they are put in a line that makes his particular point. The information he presents is good, it’s good that it got “out there”. Hopefully people will do a little more research on it than just taking Michael Moore’s POV on it, and then they can make their own more informed decision on Bush and his influences…
I must say that I found your link to “famous idiots” quite hilarious in and of itself. It’s a bunch of republicans that get their panties all up in a bunch when a comedian makes some funny jokes about president Bush and they try and smear the comedian or actor for saying what they said. Sure, their are always gonna be some actors in the extreme right or left that say stupid shit, but putting Whoopi Goldberg on the site becasue she said the joke “Anybody who could wave to Stevie Wonder isn’t fully there” about Bush is just a big baby that doesn’t have a sense of humor. I mean give it up, that shit is funny!
G-Spank,
If you think Moore is honest or that he has a valid complaint against Bush, you need to rethink what you consider to be “facts”.
One of the best sites debunking Moore’s 9/11 deceits is Dave Kopel’s Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11 which is the most even-handed critique of the film I have run across thus far.
As for the non-substantive aspects of the film, as a documentary film-maker myself, I found it to be clumsy, juvenile, poorly edited, and a full of poor music and comedic choices. It’s a non-serious film masquerading as a comedy with something serious to say. It plays to people’s prejudices and simple-mindedness in ways that further their ignorance and bigotry. How can this possibly be a good thing? The film might be tolerable if the audiences were half-way educated. But as I left the theatre I noted how many people actually believed the tripe in the movie to be an honest depiction of reality.
I recommend that people see the film but get educated and READ KOPEL’S ANALYSIS FIRST.
-B
P.S. Many people do not consider Whoopi or the other Hollywood idiots to be at all funny. They are disrespectful, rude, and ignorant. As an alternative idea maybe you need to get over people critiquing the Hollywood crowd. They have a right to be idiots and others have a right to point the idiocy out.
“I can think as complex as anybody. I choose Windows because everybody else uses it and I do not see any MACS for sale at Wal-Mart or on Home Shopping Channel, so you know nobody uses them. Also, there aren’t any games or other software for MAC, so what good is a computer that just sits there? How’s that for complex?”
well King of Windows Users, you’ve seen all the car ads: Ford, Dodge, even Lexusm but have you ever seen an ad for Rolls Royce? that’s the Mac
hey, new keyboard. get over ONE misspelled word. And yes, I misspelled “the” as “teh” on purpose.
Smarter???
I’m not sure about that one, and it probably can’t be proven one way or another.
One thing there is [B]ZERO[/B] doubt about is that PC users, Window$ OS users specifically, are masochists. Sheer gluttons for punishment. To put up Bill’s pathetic crash, virus and hijack prone garbage that he has the gall to call an *Operating System*!!!
Beeble,
I would go out on a limb and say that you probably find Dennis Miller and Ben Stein to be funny, but hold comics like Whoopi and others in contempt. If this is the case, then you have a serious case of hypocrasy going on.
Myself, I think Dennis Miller is ego-maniacal, but he is funny! Ben Stein, well, I just never thought the guy was funny, and he doesn’t appear to be someone I would enjoy hanging out with, but I would never go and call him an “idiot”. In fact, most successful actors and comics I give the benefit of the doubt, and everybody has different beliefs and that’s fine. Really to be a successful comic you have to be fairly smart.
Beeble, if you’re still around you gotta check this out
—> http://www.jibjab.com/
Sorry G-Spank, couldn’t get the cartoon link you posted to display any more than about the first 2 seconds and then the page reloads and the same thing happens all over again. Probably a Safari problem – Guess I should get a PC with IE
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As for the comedy question, I find many liberal comics hilarious until they start in with the cheap shots at the President or they pontificate as if we cared what they were talking about which we don’t. I didn’t like it when Letterman and Leno took cheap shots at Clinton either. Spewing hatecomedy at the president demeans the office and the person doing the demeaning. I just don’t find it funny to try to humiliate people, especially our leadership (on both sides of the aisle) with untruths.
If there is a kernel of truth, fine. Making fun of Bush because he mangles the English language is funny and fine by me (and evidently, Bush doesn’t mind either – hence his very real “Office of Strategery”). Gore’s “lock box” speech was easy to lampoon and SNL did a great job with it.
But making fun of Bush’s name (as if he has anything to say about that) or twisting what he has said to make him sound like an imbecile is not funny. It’s just sleazy. I feel the same regardless of who is the butt of the joke. Most of this stuff is very unkind, especially coming from a crowd who considers itself to be “tolerant”.
Of course, there are times and places for comic commentary. One of my favorite shows is “Tough Crowd” on Comedy Central. That is the proper forum for venting and seems appropriate. It has a certain balance to it and multiple views are expressed and challenged – not unlike you and I challenge each other.
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-B
yeah Tough Crowd is pretty good, kinda like “Politically Incorrect”, but with a Republican host. I like “The Daily Show” much better, but it’s a good hour no doubt.
The cartoon kept on doing that on Safari and then it just worked after a minute or two. Most definitely a Safari problem. Ah well…
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…and I agree that there is tasteless comedy out there that we can do without. Personally I don’t like the whole “Dubya” thing either for the same reasons as you. I guess the difference is that I would hold “Famousidiots.com” in the realm of what we’re talking about. Calling those people “idiots” right off is pretty sleazy, in my humble opinion.
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