Ming-Chi Kuo: Apple’s iPhone 8 will offer highest screen-to-body ratio in industry; lacks Touch ID

StreetInsider reports, “KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo lists his 10 predictions for the new Apple iPhone models coming this year:”

OLED iPhone will adopt full-screen design, with the highest screen-to-body ratio of any smartphone currently available worldwide (thanks to a notch display design); the OLED model will also come with a virtual Home button, though the button will not support fingerprint recognition. “We predict the OLED model won’t support fingerprint recognition, reasons being: (1) the full-screen design doesn’t work with existing capacitive fingerprint recognition, and (2) the scan-through ability of the under-display fingerprint solution still has technical challenges, including: (i) requirement for a more complex panel pixel design; (ii) disappointing scan-through of OLED panel despite it being thinner than LCD panel; and (iii) weakened scan-through performance due to overlayered panel module. As the new OLED iPhone won’t support under-display fingerprint recognition, we now do not expect production ramp-up will be delayed again (we previously projected the ramp-up would be postponed to late October or later).”

OLED iPhone will support 3D sensing for facial recognition & improved selfie quality.

Much more in the full article here.

MacDailyNews Take: So, facial recognition in place of fingerprint recognition for everything Touch ID covers today?


  1. So Apple TouchID gets tossed into rubbish bin? That can’t be such a great move for the Apple Pay function. How’s facial recognition supposed to work w/ AP at say a McD’s drive-thru etc?

    1. TouchID has never worked for me. My fingers are too rough. Besides, it takes twice as long to whip out an iPhone, unlock it, find the pay app, then process it.

      I can take out my wallet and pull my CC out much faster.

      1. Just out of curiosity, why are you opening your phone and going to your Wallet? The Apple Pay screen will replace your lock screen when you’re near and paying at an NFC terminal.

        My fingerprints are pretty bad with Touch ID as well, and I usually end up paying by entering my passcode on the Lock Screen-replaced Apple Pay screen. It’s probably not exactly how it was designed to be used, but it’s still a heck of a lot faster than whipping out my wallet.

      2. You’re using it wrong.
        You don’t need to unlock the phone and find the wallet app. You just put your finger and move the phone close to the terminal and that’s it! It opens automatically as long as the register is ready for payment.

        1. I usually open the app manually because I have multiple cards loaded into Apple Pay and want to check that payment is made with the correct card. If I let the terminal automatically open the app, payment will be taken from the last card I used.

          1. Bring the phone close to terminal but don’t put your finger on the home button. You have the option to change card by sliding the card left to right

      3. Another frequently made mistake is that some people press the Home button, rather than gently touch it for their fingerprint to be identified.

        If you press the button, the app will be closed and you’ll be returned to the Home screen in the usual manner.

        I find that Apple Pay is tremendously quick and the transaction is completed as soon as I bring my iPhone near the terminal. The little jolt that the iPhone makes to confirm that it’s done is very useful in a noisy shop because you don’t then need to watch the screen to see what’s happening.

    2. Ming is wrong just as he has been 56% of the time. He’s the most high profile Apple analyst and seems to be better at scoops than most all other people in the same business. His misses have been big and his hits seem to relate more closely to the component supplier – some suppliers are always out of his range.

      There is no way given Apple Pay and the commitments Apple has made to banks, credit card companies and merchants all over the world that Touch ID is being abandoned or given up in favor of facial recognition. Do you seriously think a system Apple has not had the easiest time getting adopted is being chucked for something that require brand new investment and terminals for retailers?

      This time Ming is wrong.

      1. I don’t follow your logic. Why would changing the identification procedure on the phone change in any way how Apple Pay works for the retailer?

  2. I unlock my phone as I’m raising it from my pocket to where I’m going to look at it, facial recognition will be slower. I also don’t always point it directly at my face as often it’ll just be a quick glance at something. I’m fine having a button, I’m fine with a bezel at the bottom to accommodate it.

    “OLED iPhone & 5.5” LCD iPhone will both come with DRAM capacity of 3GB (for dual-camera requirements), while 4.7” version will only use 2GB DRAM (for only single camera).”
    I still don’t understand why the won’t put the dual camera in the 4.7″ model. I don’t mind paying for it but I just don’t want a bigger screen.

  3. Let’s not get too excited yet. My bank has facial recognition, which is a little slower than the fingerprint, but not all that awkward. They also have voice recogntion, which is pretty fast and very easy. If you use Apple Watch for Apple Pay, fingerprint recognition is not part of the process.

      1. Well yes…but if ‘someone_else_not_friendly’ has your phone, they can hold it up to your face and get in…unless there is a secondary security procedure? But that would slow down unlocking.
        It’s not a deal breaker for me but no 3D Touch would be terrible.

  4. Here is an analyst taking a small nugget of information and extrapolating from it. I acknowledge that Ming-Chi Kuo is one of the more astute analysts when it comes to Apple, but I’m not convinced by what he’s saying on this occasion.

    None of us know exactly what Apple is planning on doing for the iPhone 8, but it doesn’t seem likely that Apple will dispense with Touch ID unless it replaces it with something equally convenient and secure.

    Touch ID is now such a fundamentally important aspect of modern iPhones that it seems highly unlikely for Apple to abandon it unless something vastly better becomes available. If an alternative were to be deployed, I would expect it initially to appear alongside Touch ID because if some sort of issue did come to light when used by a hundred million people, it wouldn’t be a complete disaster.

    While the logic of his reasoning would makes sense if events are exactly as he outlines them, I suspect that at least one of Ming-Chi Kuo’s assumptions might be incorrect and that his conclusion is therefore likely to be incorrect.

    Facial recognition might be a viable alternative to fingerprint recognition, but Apple would have to devise a really innovative way to use it with Apple Pay. At the moment, the iPhone is held in very close proximity to the trader’s terminal during authorisation. It’s perfectly straightforward to do that and to touch your finger against the home button to verify your identity, but holding your iPhone close to the terminal while simultaneously keeping your face visible in the camera is not so simple. I’m not saying that facial recognition is impossible for Apple Pay, but it would need a really elegant solution.

  5. I doubt that this is true.

    TouchID is typically better than facial recognition if only for the simple fact that you can open your phone by just touching it with any one of five digits that you set up. You don’t have to pick up the phone. You don’t have to point the camera at your face or speak a special pass phrase (in a non noisy environment, mind you). You don’t have to make sure you’re not wearing significantly different makeup or radically different styles of glasses (or sunglasses).

    Until something *SIGNIFICANTLY* better shows up, I hope Apple sticks with TouchID. It’s no where near perfect, but from my experience and those with whom I’ve spoken over the last few years, it *IS* the best out there.

  6. If true it will be another controversial move by Apple…. add on top the cut out on top of the screen.. …

    Well all we have to do is wait another 3 months… i hope some of these rumores prove to be wrong 🤞🤞🤞🤞

  7. No way, for reasons mentioned above and more. Apple would be more likely to abandon all keyboards for Siri and voice input than roll out unproven technology like this on a mass scale. We’ll probably get facial recognition AND Touch Id.

  8. I’m beginning to feel like: ‘Who cares?’. If we are going to draw parallels, the PC industry never went through this kind of ridiculous cyclic revisionism. The magic definitely seems to have left Cupertino, and I hate saying that. Tell me: how exactly is that supposed to make the device more useful, or empower me to do what I do with it better? Seems more like a lame attempt to keep up with the Joneses. Today’s Apple is indeed a different beast. :/

  9. Dear MDN,
    Please fix your navigational code.

    The UP arrow is not supposed to jump up to the top of the page, neither is the DOWN arrow supposed to jump to the bottom of the page.

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