Tom Borelli, National Center for Public Policy director and Apple shareholder, discusses why he is accusing Al Gore of violating Apple’s trade policies, and why he is bringing this up at the company’s shareholder meeting:
What we know is Al Gore has huge investments in renewable energy. We also know that you need legislation, “Cap and Trade” or mandates, for those investments to get a profit. And then magically, all of a sudden during the big climate debate, Apple dropped its membership in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce was leading the attack to block “Cap and Trade.” So we think Al Gore somehow was involved with the company dropping its membership. – Tom Borelli
Apple Inc.’s Statement in Opposition to Proposal No. 4 reads in part:
The Company is committed to transparent corporate governance practices and to policies that promote the accountability of its Board. The Company does not believe that the report advocated in Proposal No. 4 is either a necessary or a useful undertaking to foster transparency or accountability at the Board level. The Company already has a robust set of policies and procedures in place to identify and address conflicts of interest by its directors, and the intent of the proposal is already substantially implemented.
Apple’s annual meeting of shareholders is scheduled for February 23, 2012.
Full article here.
Apple’s 2012 Proxy, including Proposal No. 4, Shareholder Proposal Entitled “Conflict of Interest Report” and Apple’s response, can be found in its entirety (.pdf) here
[Thanks to MacDailyNews readers too numerous to mention individually for the heads up.]
Boy, conspiracy theorists sure can find a new conspiracy under every rock they kick.
Pure conjecture. It’s FUD against Al Gore and Apple get’s a sucker punch.
Oh, if we can’t burn coal, we can’t maintain manufacturing jobs. No we can’t maintain manufacturing jobs, because we can’t afford to pay wages while charging bottom dollar for manufactured goods.
While we fight to keep inflation down, and not pollute our air, corporate logic dictates that we must ship key jobs out of the country and hopefully our work force will rise to think smarter and work on loftier gains for humanity.
Why is it that people insist we continue to make things, when we are moving into the information age where we produce knowledge? What about the space age?
I know it’s only been one century, but common we have to get warp drive ready before the Borg arrive.
Al Gore is key to this. He helped invent the Internet.
Why can’t we edit our posts?
common is supposed to be come on.
Because we haven’t entered the Information Age … duh! We still need to manufacture code in order to edit posts … double duh!
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/prosecutor_al_gore_was_focus_o.html
Portland woman says Al Gore groped her in hotel room
CNN: Al Gore sexual harassment charge on massage
In
1952
President Truman
established one day a year as a
” National Day of Prayer .”
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In
1988
President Reagan
designated the
First Thursday in May of each year as
the National Day of Prayer.
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In June
2007
(then)
Presidential
Candidate Barack Obama
declared that the USA
“Was no longer a
Christian nation.”
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This year
President Obama
canceled the
21st annual National Day
of Prayer ceremony
at the White
House under the ruse
Of “not wanting to offend anyone”
————————————————————————
BUT… on September 25, 2009
from 4 AM until 7 PM,
a National Day of Prayer
FOR THE MUSLIM RELIGION
was Held on Capitol Hill,
Beside the White House.
There were over 50,000 Muslims
in D.C. that day.
HE PRAYS WITH THE MUSLIMS!
I guess it Doesn’t matter
if “Christians”
Are offended by this event –
We obviously
Don ‘t count as
“anyone” Anymore.
The direction this country is headed
should strike fear in the heart of every Christian,
especially knowing that the
Muslim religion believes that if Christians cannot be
converted, they should be annihilated.
This is not a Rumor –
Go to the website
To confirm this info:
http://www.islamoncapitolhill.com/
Didn’t Al Gore get investigated for some type of massage groping charge???…….
If you could edit your post you could also remove the apostrophe in the first line.
Your points are spot on though!
http://www.livescience.com/18604-cloud-heights-declining.html
Shrinking Sky! Cloud Tops Dropping Closer to Earth, NASA
Vote tally to the left says it all. Lemming marxists have no idea how small their numbers are. They are so used to be brain washed they are completely out of touch. Same results against Obama coming up this November. You freaks better prepare yourselves.
uh, you can’t eat or wear information, dumbass.
Ha Ha! A New York fan calling somebody a dumbass…
a Yankees fan has no standing In determining the intellect of his fellow man.
Just look at the poll on the left. People are waking up to algore’s slimy tactics to enrich himself from uncontrollable sunspots. They want him off Apple BoD.
Here we go…
Somebody let the retards out again.
You are the retard. Screw you!
Al Gore should be tarred and feathered. Why anyone would want his stain on the Apple brand is beyond me. He is about nothing but money and has proven that if you take the money away, especially in the form of Cap and Trade (Tax), then AL GORE goes away. Cannot believe this guy gets to coast on all that money. TIPPER KNOWS.. Global warming is a hoax, and even if slightly true, Alarmists cannot prove they have a “Solution” or if even GW is BAD? There is a special place reserved in hell for big AL. Scumbag. I’m sure his “FEW” appearances yielded huge innovation. right. Nobody disgusts me more than AL GORE. Follow the Money. Climatedepot.com
for the truth. I’m all for clean, renewable energy. That is NOT what Al Gore wants. He wants Cap and Trade to make HIM money. that is it. IN the future, Oil will be used up anyway. 100 / 200 years. so GW will not happen or turn into what they are talking about. Greens don’t understand simply economics.
Solar Panels cost money and USE OIL to make and you could never make enough to cover a desert. Nuclear is fine with me, but there is NOT ENOUGH usable nuclear material, uranium, etc to replace oil.
youtube PEAKOIL… and greens think that electricity comes from the wall socket. This is about AL GORE, and he should be in Jail.
John, what have you ever done. Your post is abusive, non constructive, opinionated vitriol. As a non American I can only lament the lack of intelligent thought evident in your post and posts by persons of your ilk.
John speaks the truth you commie! You make me want to GAG!
Go crawl back into your hole in whatever hell hole country you hail from. Loser.
no, your the retart!
(I love doing that with the whole you’re/your thing while insisting others are retards!! I. love. it!!)
No you are.
Al Gore is a swindler, peddling a fraud on America, in the form of the Great Global Warming Hoax.
Even liberal Germany has figured out that “Green Energy” is an expensive Utopian dream.
brain bypass? or toxic shock?
Both.
I’d say: In need of a brain transplant. 😯
Yes Al Gore and you enviro nuts, freedom haters are all of the above.
Sorry Nancy, but ignorance has never passed for knowledge. Enjoy your bliss and the subsequent consequences of ignorant choices. ‘Freedom haters’ is a hilarious phrase coming from the historical source of fascism. My goodness me. 😯
Historical source of Fascism is Socialism you Communist!
Huh? Where’d you get that? Renewable energy has gotten so big now that they cut the subsidies. We’re phasing out the nuclear plants by 2025; new coal plants are being cancelled. Yet, during the recent cold spell we exported electricity to our neighbours. Get your head out of your rectum!
2025 … a lot can happen between now and then. The Polar Ice Caps and Tipper will both have thawed by then!
Tipper left Al because she didn’t want to share him with another man…
Sure, he was the sperm donor for her kids, but he definitely swings both ways.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,805505,00.html
Seems Der Siegel has its head up its rectum! Or do you? The push to green energy is misguided on soooo many levels. Let see, huge government subsidies, with key players still going broke (EnerOne, Solyndra, SolPower) – which seems to imply the technology just can’t compete. I understand these subsidies approach nearly 30% at each phase – consumption, construction, research, etc and the businesses still go broke. Then there’s the challenge of dumping non-predictable power on to the grid. Since you can’t predict when winds will blow, you have to keep coal powered generation on line to (warm spin) to ensure you can quickly fill power shortfalls. Remember, all power must be consumed within milli-seconds of being produced or else bad things happen to people’s computers and home appliances. Then there’s the cost of maintenance and replacement costs, which again are much higher (and have a larger environmental footprint) than hydro or coal. Oh how about the environmental impact of wind – noise, bird kill and visual clutter. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m all for alternative energy, but only when it makes economic sense to do so and we aren’t there yet. To prove this point, just review the US Air Force Academy’s solar array. It cost $18.5M to install and generates $500K per year in savings. When including the 30% subsidy the payback is nearly 40 years, without factoring in the subsidy the payback is infinite (the replacement cost exceed the savings). So whose got their head up their rectum? Do things because they make strong economic sense and not because you are beholden to either a political or emotional position.
Dan is the Man! Great post. Liberal Zombies will deny every fact you state because they are KRAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! We hate them.
Welcome to America Freund!
We are the most propagandized population in the planet. When the polar ice caps are gone, Many here in the USA will still deny the scientific evidence and believe fictitious narratives foisted upon them by ruthless power and wealth mongers.
The polar ice caps have been growing numb nuts.
Yah. right. Your sentence structure clearly indicates that you are not “A German”. Too many apostrophe’d words. you could be from the UK, but definitely not Deutschland. Sorry – no creds for you!
“Great Global Warming Hoax”… What I know, is that it is raining in january and february now up here in Canada, when it used to be minus 30; I’m fifty and can assure you that it is not “normal”
or usual. Of course, if you are living in Miami it can be less obvious and noticeable…
It reminds me of the scene where the cursed island was sinking in “Eric The Vicking.” ; with water up to their troaths, peoples were still arguing that nothing was happening…
The Great Hoax is not that global warming is occurring, but that Man plays a significant role in the cause or the solution.
So it’s happening, but we have no role in the solution?
What are we supposed to do then?
Learn to swim? Oh wait… even that’d be a solution… I guess we’ll just keep our heads up our asses, and drown/cook/starve in place
Typical response … MAN can fix anything … as long as we care enough!
And learning to swim is not a solution to Global Warming, merely and adaptation to its aftermath.
“How long can you tread water?”
– Bill Cosby in “Noah’s Ark”
It was actually Eric’s (sic) brother Michael The Vick-ing that denied the island was sinking … And I HATE getting water up to my troaths!
One year’s weather is absolutely meaningless.
It’s the ignorant that algore manipulates in order to enrich himself.
Gary, you have a highly limited view of things. You demonstrate no basis for your assertion that ‘“Green Energy” is an expensive Utopian dream.’
Fossil fuels are quite expensive as well if you take into account the existing infrastructure and the hidden costs, including the wars in the Middle East and the unrest and aggression in other areas, such as Venezuela.
We have to start somewhere with energy diversification. Alternative energy is becoming increasingly competitive and technological advancements combined with economies of scale will make it even more attractive.
As far as your other assertion (opinion) goes, the ‘Great Global Warming Hoax,’ I seriously doubt that you have the scientific background or credible evidence to back that claim. In fact, I know that you don’t because it is impossible to absolutely refute the scientific theory and evidence behind human-induced global climate change. You can argue the degree to which it will affect the climate and environment, but you cannot say with any credibility that it doesn’t exist at even a modest level.
Denial is not fact. Wishing is not having.
If alternative energy has even a 1% probability of succeeding why don’t you cover the whole of the fucking Sahara desert with solar panels then. Cheap free energy right? Wrong. It’s muddle headed libtards like you that get the energy equation ass backwards. There’s no commercially proven solar source that produces energy cheaper than fossil fuel sources.
But 5.3″ solar panels would do an amazing job, no?
Queen Smell is delusional!
Gary, you are right on with your comment. Now let’s see the algore libtards come out from under their rocks to attack the truth.
Gary, you’re full of shit.
tbone, you are full of shit.
::Reaches for the popcorn::
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(Sigh.) OK, let’s see who this Tom Borelli is, shall we?
“Borelli, for his part, has spent the past five years as a shareholder activist, buying small quantities of stock for the explicit purpose of making a fuss at shareholders meetings, mostly over companies’ efforts to curb global warming, which he argues “isn’t out of line with normal cycles in the environment.” Other Borelli targets have included General Electric, PG&E, Dow Chemical, Caterpillar, and John Deere.
“Borelli’s former role as a tobacco scientist at Phillip Morris makes him somewhat of a pioneer in the field of corporate-sponsored denial. As PM’s director of corporate scientific affairs during the 1990s, he worked to discredit studies indicating that secondhand smoke was unhealthy—a fact you won’t find in his online bio.
“In 2005, with global warming gaining political currency, Borelli hooked up with Steve Milloy, a well-known climate-change denier, Fox News commentator, and founder of JunkScience.com … These days, Borelli is a senior fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research, a minor DC think tank best known for its ties to disgraced lobbyist and former board member Jack Abramoff.” MotherJones
I think that says it all.
A reference would have made this more credible.
Well I thought putting the name of the site that published the editorial, MotherJones, would be good enough, but if you want the full link:
http://motherjones.com/environment/2010/11/tom-borelli-phillip-morris-climate-change
Um, it says “MotherJones” at the end. Google Tom Borelli. The MotherJones article comes up on the first page of results.
Missed the MotherJones at the end, buried at the end of the last paragraph. I guess I was skimming along too fast.
A link always give your argument credibility, regardless of your position, conservative or liberal. Yes, we can search for more info, but it is a courtesy to you readers to provide.
Courtesy is something that is in too short supply here.
It more than says it all.
Sure more people on this board own more shares than Birelli.
He’s got a hostile agenda.
All gore was Steve’s choice.
Apple is ours. Borreli go find a life worth talking about.
I would say you left wing wing nuts are the ones with the hostile agenda to destroy the US. Go crawl back under your collective rock!
NAILED IT!
A simple Google search for “Tom Borelli” reveals that he’s another right-wing nutjob. Move on, people. Nothing to see here.
He’s a Biostitutue that used to be employed by Tobacco to tell you the research concerning Smoking & Cancer was a hoax. Otherwise a typical Republican businessman.
Al Gore’s personal carbon footprint is beyond hypocritical for a global warming fearmonger. His only interest in global warming is how he personally can profit from it.
Trolling ahoy!
Yes Derek, you are trolling.
Right-wing nutjob= someone who prefers documentable facts and measurable outcomes to hugging the gay baby whales. May also believe in the Judeo-Christian God.
Here is a perfect example of Spin, even though it quotes this “someone who prefers documented facts”
Listen up, did you even read the story……
They are making accusations without proof, Got it as they state ” WE THINK GORE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT ”
Idiots are those who think everything the read and here is truth on the Internet, also they have an agenda to spin a non story into a real one, without fact or truth. It’s to easy to accuse, pointing fingers without facts to back up up just shows how many idiots have a problem with comprehension.
I lOve it when right-wing nut jobs and left wing nut jobs argue … It’s quite High Theatre!
And what the Hell is wrong the hugging the gay baby whales? I do it whenever I’m clubbing baby seals!
Don’t believe everything you see on the internet. That’s how World War I started.
Mentioning a belief in god kind of undercuts the whole “prefers documentable facts and measurable outcomes part” though don’t you think? If you don’t see the irony in that, you just might be a right-wing nutjob. 😉
If you are going to embrace faith-based rather facts based approach don’t be such a wuss about it. Admit that you believe insane things, and don’t need or respect evidence as much as you do in having faith. And you have faith that global warming is a myth, just like the subject of this article.
denying a belief in god undercuts your entire argument.
Right-wing nutjob= someone who prefers documentable facts and measurable outcomes to hugging the gay baby whales. May also believe in the Judeo-Christian God.
I read this, then considered the real world, AND LAUGHED MY ASS OFF!
Yes world, there are Americans this stooopid. Yes, they explain a hell of a lot about the state of the US political system. Yes, laughing at them is a lot more fun than crying over them.
Derek Commie,
You speak for Democrats only.
Read what I write and feel the red heat of embarrassment crawling up your ignorant face. Do your homework and cure your deliberate ignorance.
You speak of and for low life socialist Derek Idiot.
Just another B.S story of total FUD.
He can accuse Gore all he wants, but this guys track record dosnt hold water, Another off the deep end Right wing Nut Job.
And without SOLID PROOF any fool can make an accusation, just another non story to have Apples name attached to it.
Anyone can spin anything to make it something it is not.
you are a BS story
This is just one more example of MDN’s hypocritical efforts at hit-whoring–a practice they regularly condemn in others. Their anti-Obama, anti-democrat, anti-progressive, right-leaning orientation unfortunately degrades the worth and quality of this blog and waters down their effectiveness as a proudly pro-Apple websites.
MDN – please stick to what you do well – present Apple-oriented news items and cutout the oblique news items which only expose your right-leaning political agenda.
+1
With *EXTRA*BONUS*POINTS*AND*A*BEER*
Minus – INFINITY TO THE COMMUNISTS
The specific accusations may be garbage, but overall Al Gore has made a living on global warming for quite a while. He has known interests in companies designed to profit from global warming fears, and he has used his celebrity as a former VP to promote those fears. He’s got the morals of a side-show barker working for tips.
MDN is the enquirer of apple news. It’s on you if you expect something more. Do you loOk at d0g sh1t and pine for meatloaf?
lol
shinolashit, look in the mirror you good little marxist.
…overall Noah has made a living on global flooding for quite a while. He has known interests in building an arc designed to profit from global flooding fears, and he has used his celebrity to promote those fears. He’s got the morals of a side-show barker working for tips.
If you believe that global warming is occurring and that it’s effects can be lessened by using alternative energy sources then it probably makes more sense to invest in clean energy companies than in strip mining companies. He’s just willing to put his money behind his beliefs. Maybe you can make money and leave the world a better place. Seems similar to ….
It works this way: if you warn of global warming, and put your money where your mouth is by investing in clean energy companies, you are a dishonest marxist scumbag. But if you have your money in dirty fossil fuel companies, and put your mouth where your money is by loudly repeating the oil-company-funded claims that global warming is a hoax, then you are a paragon of virtue and scientific integrity.
Demorats SUCK and so do you!
Sucker~AntiSucker: an example of the dialectic if I ever seen one.
This isn’t an argument – this is abuse!
But look how much your loving this “abuse”! 🙂
Scrapin’ the bottom much, MDN? National Center for Pubic Policy is a CONSERVATIVE “think tank” (which featured Jack Abramoff as board member at one point, so they’re just overflowing with integrity) – of course they’re going to be pushing any kind of Al Gore witch hunt they can dream up. Yes, it’s pathetic and sad, but it’s what these people do.
“National Center for Pubic Policy…” You mean they’re a load of pricks?
OMGosh WOW why is this posted from the worst, sensationalist entertainment news organization? What crap seriously. Time to move on to techmeme.com
The worst if you’re a democrat lemming who can’t handle the truth when it’s laid out right before your eyes. Your years of brainwashing in the public school systems, marxist controlled news outlets, and Hollyweird has seriously messed up your statist drone minds.
The US CoC spent most of the last decade lobbying US companies to move manufacturing overseas. Now, they are using the unemployment boom to advise US companies to reduce employee benefits & salaries as a way to increase profits.
In my opinion, local CoC’s across the country should withdraw membership in the national organization, which is actively working against the interests of small businesses. I guess that makes me -according to some knee-jerk Republicans- a liberal now.
And Apple is a big corp. who manufactures overseas and whose aim is to maximize profits. Why did they withdraw support from CoC?
Relax guys and gals, Tom Borelli is just one AAPL shareholder…
And hardly the only one that feels the same way. Al Gore kicked off Apple’s board. Read it and weep suckers.
What did they say? I blanked out the whole discussion. Was focusing on her rack.
Pathetic …
Early onset dementia.
Yeah, a sexist, homophobic and judgemental excuse of a human being. I wish MDN could throw him out of here.
Yep. BLN’s, aka ‘Stockboy’, act was old the instant he made his first post.
Even I, a member of the porcine family, has more intelligence and manners than he.
Arnold’s and comrades acts are the only thing that is pathetic around here. Beyond pathetic.
Oh, It’s The Faux Out of Business Channel, no chance it might be biased…
The US Chamber of Commerce is SCUM and openly advocates for the export of US jobs.
Fox makes up for the propaganda known as PMSNBC, New York Slimes, Washington Compost, Communist News Network, etc.
Only a scheme from republican neisager. A symptomatic attitude of sclerosed brains…
Some american just HATE to accept the failures of some “traditions” and beliefs!
FoulMux knows what it’s like to have a diseased brain.
Al Gore was added to the board to minimize any legal issues stemming from the back dating of option that apple had given key executives. It is like protection money paid to the mob or in this case the government. He then used his new found status to promote his money making theories.
Isn’t that the way the left wing kooks operate? Throw out some baseless, undocumented charge, but then based on “the seriousness of the charge, it must be investigated!”. What? Does this only work for Sleezy Democrates and their operatives? Right Wing nut jobs can’t play???
But for a minute, I thought the article was going to be about Al Gore visiting some California Missionaries to extort money for a revival of his political resurgance in 2016, all the while drinking copious amounts of ice tea in order to take appropriately timed bath room breaks for convenience sake in case of any possible future investigative testimonials of said fund raising!
Sheeze… Once a sleeze ball, always a sleeze ball!…
See I have a link too. Got it off the internet. Must be true!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2003/09/30/not_nature_of_evidence_seriousness_of_the_charge
Skipping over the blatant infeasibility of ‘Cap and Trade’ policies…
Apple dropped its membership in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce was leading the attack to block “Cap and Trade.”
* Maybe Apple dropped the Chamber of Commerce because that entity is merely a puppet of The Corporate Oligarchy.
• Maybe it’s because the Chamber of Commerce has been one of the chief organizations perpetrating SOPA/PIPA and ACTA.
• Maybe it’s because Apple has a conscience and can no longer consider joining, contributing to or endorsing a vile and destructive arm of the corrupt and idiotic corporate hegemony that tanked the world economy.
• Maybe it’s because the USCoC is determined to turn the Internet into a Police State.
• Or maybe its because the USCoC is at the forefront of destroying capitalism in favor of corporate welfare and wreckless financial market manipulation.
IOW: Screw the US Chamber of Commerce and all of its members for the evil they do to my country. Thank you Apple for dropping out of that self-destructive clown outfit.
As for Al Gore’s money making schemes, I have no idea. But that he would manipulate Apple into dropping out of the US Chamber of Commerce? If so, no harm done. Thank you Al!
Oh and STFU Tom Borelli. Try bettering the world for a change. It’s thoroughly enjoyable. 🙂
*rolls eyes*
A right-wing organization accusing Gore or wrong-doing? Gee, what a surprise.
Apple and other companies are dropping US Chamber membership due to it’s obvious Republican ties and campaign of falsehoods… plain and simple. See PolitiFact or FactCheck for more.
Pied Piper algore took all his lib followers over the Global Warming cliff, playing his clean energy flute. He made lots of money doing it too.
That is the guy who said he invented internet. LOL.
“You always accuse the other guy of what you’ve done yourself.”
—Mitt Romney
This is pure FUD. Fox is into this, and now talking about how good carbon is for having a competitive U.S… if they only were aware of how inefficient the U.S is compared to other countries, these stupid republicans will start to think different and invest in technologies that have a better future.
Psst…
Did anyone notice when the last president, the guy from the oil money family, started an oil war that raised the price of oil?
Niether did I.
Me neither.
Yeah, I didn’t notice that either, Chrissy. Seems to me it was this guy over in Iraq that started it, and the guy from the oil family was the one who smacked him down, after which the price of oil went down.
Saddam Hussein ordered Bush to invade Iraq?
REALLY???
Nailed it emmayche. Liberals are disgusting lying filth. Screw them.
Yes, it was us ‘disgusting lying filth’ Liberals who lied us into invading Iraq. Gotcha.
Oh, and by the way, the founders of the US were liberal – they believed in human rights and the right to self-determination. They fought against the conservatives of their time, the British Empire.
I’m a liberal porker…and damn proud of it. I publicly opposed going to war with Iraq back when that wasn’t a popular opinion to express. Everything that has happened since Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq has proven me right. If that’s being ‘lying filth’, then I’m feeling darned peachy in my wallow.
Oink.
The liberal – commies in congress voted to invade Iraq too jack ass Arnie. They were FOR getting rid of Saddam. How do you spin that tool boy?
Sadly, many Democratic Senators voted to pass the Iraq War Resolution, but 21 of them voted ‘no’. One Republican, Chafee of RI, also voted against the resolution. In the House, 126 Democrats and six Republicans voted ‘no’.
Arnold Sniffel loved Saddam Hussein. Poor Arnold. Arnold was for all of the human horror Saddam was raining down on his people and threatening other neighboring countries as well as ignoring UN sanctions. Poor Arnold.
I am always opposed to stupid, immoral, idiotic, wasteful, and unnecessary wars.
Yes, Iraqis had a grand old time during the invasion, civil war, and aftermath – four million people left homeless, one million Iraqis lost their lives as a result of the war, heaven knows how many Iraqis were rounded up, imprisoned, and tortured. We’ve spent at minimum $800 billion dollars on the war, with the total being at least $3 trillion when cost of healthcare, etc., is taken into account. And we have lost 4,485 American soldiers.
And remember, this was to go after a country that had no means to attack the US in any meaningful way. There were no so-called “WMDs” found in Iraq, and even if they had been, Iraq had no way to deliver them more than a few hundred miles, never mind the 6,000 miles or so to make it to the US.
You don’t know me, and you sure don’t seem to be aware of the realities of the Iraq War.
Arnold Sniffel does love dictators and Marxists. Saddam moved his WMDs to Syria. Proven fact. Now your Communist Hero, Hillary Clinton, is trying to set up the invasion of Syria! Go Arnold and Comrades!!!!!!!!!! Losers.
Wow, Lemon Squeeze,
Yeah, the WMDs were shipped out of Iraq. Right. I suggest to read through the Duelfer Report before you start spouting stuff you have no idea about.
As I said, even if Iraq has so-called weapons of mass destruction, they had no way to deliver them anywhere close to the US mainland. Hussein’s Iraq posed no meaningful threat to us. If you’ll check, at the time Bush ordered the invasion, the US was outspending Iraq by a factor of 100X. Bush ordered the invasion because there were people in the Pentagon and the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex who wanted war with Iraq, plain and simple.
As for wanting war with Syria – you are 100% mistaken. I’m sick of our wasteful, idiotic wars. Let’s stay out of Syria, withdraw completely from Afghanistan, and try genuine diplomacy for a change. The last thing we (and the rest of the world) needs now is war with Iran.
Arnold, The way to deliver the WMDs to US was through terrorists nimrod.
Run along, Rush is on. Go play with something sharp.
You are a total idiot. You know that, right?
So who in Iraq started the war… Saddam? How did he do that? By having nothing to do with 9/11?
And who was it that smacked him down?
Oh yeah, it was the black guy.
Retard.
What the hell are you talking about?????? Liberals were completely on board with taking out Saddam. He invaded another country and contently violated UN sanctions. The problem is that part of the world is loaded with Islamic lunatics that don’t value freedom or human rights. They can’t help themselves and want to blame Israel and the US for all of their problems. Their problem is themselves. Just like you liberal robots. You need a reality check lady.
It hurts to even read what you wrote. I can’t imagine how it feels to be that stupid.
Yes, they can’t help themselves. They really are as 2 dimensional as you’ve been taught to believe. You make a great parrot.
PRETTY BIRD!!!!
Right back at you. You live in a fantasy world and you do harm to everyone by being that Zombie-Lemming that you are. Wake up.
You eat cat litter, and your children smell like kelp! Flies drop out of the air dead around you! You’ve cause crop failure in Uruguay, and still you dump toxic waste in Emdiennia! Only a fool would listen to your parrot squawking!
ChrissyOne showed it’s true colors. Man is that gross. Just like all liberal-Communists. Disgusting.
Using multiple names isn’t disguising you, you know. Your personality shines through in your elegant prose.
Poor Chrissy’s liberal fantasy world is falling apart all around her…. Pretty sad when reality finally hits isn’t it Chrissy. Liberalism doesn’t work and is a means to an end to Dictatorship!
^ retarded! How do you even eat?
Gore should remain — IF he has the courage to push Apple to use its massive profit stockpile and industry-leading position to establish fair labour practices by its suppliers. If Apple management can go apoplectic and get workers up in the middle of the night to make iPad screens perfect, they can put equivalent focus on ensuring fair labour practices. If Gore doesn’t have the courage to push for this, then he should step down — and so should all the rest of the directors.
Screw you and your fair labor. Go to hell.
GOOD or BAD — all these talks and and coverage KEEPS giving APPLE word of mouth.
WIN for APPLE
Let me start by saying that I’m a conservative, so you know up front that I’m somewhat biased in this post.
No one with any intelligence at all doubts that our climate is changing; it’s obvious from simple observation.
However, given that that same simple observation tells us that the climate on Mars is changing in the same manner (given the differences in the planets themselves), attributing the major part of this climate change to the actions of man is, to say the least, in question.
However, Al Gore has staked his reputation on this questionable proposition. Especially with Steve gone, I don’t think that a person who refuses to back down from this position of questionable judgment belongs on Apple’s board.
At the shareholders meeting: “All directors elected with more than 80 percent of the vote.”
Enough said.
emmayche,
Don’t waste your time trying to explain anything to the commie drones. They won’t listen to the facts. They can all rot in hell. November will be fun to watch them all crawl back into their holes.
No one else reported this. This just shows how MDN will scrape crap journalism off the bottom of the barrel to spread hate for liberals. Other sites actually have self-respect.
Because the Lame Stream Media is controlled by scummy liberals. You liberals love to try to silence difference of opinion. Scum bags.
No two ways about it…Al Gore is a complete dick, plain and simple.
Why not ? Gore has spread lies and fraudulent information about the environment and climate for his own personal gains.
Climate chnage is the very nature of weather !! It has been happening for millions of years and the climate will continue to change long after we become extinct.
Got his ass handed to him at the stockholders meeting where only 1% of shareholders sided with him. What an ass hole. One shareholder stood up and said we should all leave Al alone since he had to endu what happened in 2000.
1% of what? What vote are you referring to?
The chamber is simply a mob like group that feels you have to pay their fee to stay in business. They don’t like the idea that Apple is bigger than they ever could be and told them to piss off. It sounds like rich people whining to me.
MDN: On the iPhone, you only display page one of comments with no way to look at the comments on page 2.
Al Gore is one of biggest hypocrites around. Houses all around the country using up fuel, private jets everywhere he goes, making money off of his cap and trade energy credit deals. Go away, Al.
It is funny that the democrat party that vilifies money, the making of money and the rich, supports Awol Gores profiting hundreds of millions of dollars from questionable global theories. He vilifies the rich and he is rich himself.
U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the slime ball. They’re for outsourcing, destroying the environment, tax loopholes, and basically wiping out the middle-class.
No you are the slime ball comrade.
So did anybody get converted to the other side…?
Didn’t think so.
All you haters of Al Gore ought to go sit in a tree with your local republican congressman because you don’t give a rats ass about the environment because if you all did, you wouldn’t be foaming at the mouth about Al Gore. All these decisions about the environment or the chamber of commerce isn’t Al’s doing, Steve Job also made the decision. Apple has always been about the environment and when one group is against it, what the point of staying with it?
Sigh all you o you are Al Gore haters go crawl back under the rock you came from because you are all a bunch of right wing nuts!!!
Yeah right, Republicans don’t care about the environment mantra. BS. Republicans absolutely care about the environment. We don’t let you enviro-nazis hijack the cause and use it to destroy the economy and the US Constitution. You commies are out of freaking control.
Pretty bird!!!
ChrissyOne = Pretty Weird
You have no. Idea.
The Chamber of Commerce is on the wrong side of every environmental issue and always has been. Not a good match for Apple.
Your on the wrong side of mental health dialtone.
When I want to laugh and remind how bizarre are the US people, I come to read a bit of Macdailynews commentaries which are becoming more and more out of tracks. Stupid things are coming from every side, it is really unbelievable, and quite funny, I have to admit.
“Commies”, “Marxist”… whatever the call, this is really looking like hell and paradise… (here what you call commies, marxist… are the people who cares about the others, while the so “economic” portion of our society, simply don’t ! They care only about their pocket ! Not even their child. Still don’t understand why they reproduce when they don’t give a fuck about the future…)
Frankly how could you still believe in these fairy tales : remember that man created gods many, many thousands years ago. By that time knowledge and science wasn’t that great, so we had to find some kind of explanation for fire, water, and everything…
Then, a bit more than a thousand years ago “leaders” decided that it would be easier to manipulate the people by getting rids of the numerous gods : one would be better to run…
“Weather changes are natural… How come the humans have an impact ?” : Wow ! Triple wow ! Yep, the weather has always changed. But it takes thousands of years to do so, not just 35 !
Oh yes, “we believes in documented facts…” 🙂
Anyway, I’m way out of the subject… Are we all serious ?
Ron, you commie, Go screw yourself and crawl back under your rock in whatever hell hole part of the world you hail from. You like to steal from your neighbor you Marxist-Commie. You are so far gone brain washed it’s scary. Up yours.