“I suppose this is the sort of uncertain question that many ask in one form or another whenever Apple or Microsoft releases a major OS upgrade,” Gene Steinberg writes for TechNightOwl. “Early so-called ‘version one-point-zero’ bugs appear, one or two quick updates are released, and you have to wonder whether they might have done better to wait rather than rush the product out.”
“With Lion, Apple has changed the mold. Unlike previous versions of OS X, most Mac users are expected to download their copies from the Mac App Store, for $29.99,” Steinberg writes. “But the methodology of delivering Lion isn’t the problem. It’s the persistent bugs reported in the initial 10.7 release that trouble a number of Mac users.”
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Steinberg writes, “First and foremost, I do not regard OS X Lion is necessarily buggier than other OS X upgrades. They all had early-release flaws of one degree or another. It makes sense there will be problems because of all the serious changes in Lion. At the same time, I have little doubt that Apple is going to straighten out the worst ills in the months to come… Despite some of the complaints, I do not see Lion as being necessarily less stable than other versions of OS X. But there’s nothing wrong with waiting out a few maintenance updates before diving on.”
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MacDailyNews Take: Aside from some funkiness with artifacts on desktops with dual monitor setups (iMacs), we’ve had smooth sailing with Lion. No issues to report at all with Lion on any of our MacBook Airs or MacBook Pros.
Are you experiencing issues with Lion? If so, please describe them below.
No issues I think Lion’s great 🙂
Lion Rocks / no issues
Safari and flash are a buggy mess.
It’s the specificity of your post that I admire most.
Flash in Lion drives me grazy.
Me too!!! Can’t stand that flash basically no worky in Lion.
Perhaps you shouldn’t have downloaded Flash. It doesn’t come with Lion for good reason.
I think that major problem is a memory leak; for example some 3rd party software like ViewIt can consume 1.7Gb of RAM!!!! Sometimes free RAM space can go below 10 Mb.
I just ordered two 4GB sticks of memory to help this as 4GB is totally insufficient now. I admit I keep a lot of apps and windows open but the memory leakage is horrible and I run few 3rd party apps. 75% of what I do is browser-based – Safari, Chrome, Firefox. I’ll go days without using any 3rd party apps and yet Safari alone will crush my memory usage.
More than usual Safari crashes.
Sometimes Safari will lock up my iMac and force a reboot. Just happened 20 min ago.
My Safari whacks out too, freezes.
Yeah, Safari has been unstable for me too. Aside from the unnatural “natural” scrolling, Lion’s been great.
The #1 killer of Safari stability from my experience is crap Safari Extensions. I have had to do ye olde fashioned extensions testing with Safari to discover what is crap and what is not. At the moment I am running 7 specific Safari Extensions that don’t crash the app. I’ve dumped a slew of bad extensions.
I have had a few video problems with lion on the new mac mini
thianguy shpuldmbe sued for lying. Lion is nearly flawless. And it’s downright amazing. I wouldn’t haven’t wanted to wait another to get my hands on it.
As never before, I’m waiting.
It didn’t help that lack of Rosetta forced me to learn a new web development tool. As it’s critical to my biz, I’m taking a careful approach this time around.
My second monitor cuts out CONSTANTLY! It’s driving me crazy!! please fix this ASAP Apple!!
My second monitor is cutting out more often. Not “constantly” but more often.
On my MacBook it’s running great. On my iMac, it sometimes has problems waking after sleep and I have to hold power button to get it to reboot.
No issues with Lion or Lion Server with me! Smooth sailing 🙂
Two frequent problems:
1. Laptop does not sleep w/ external monitor plugged in when lid is closed. This is new after Lion install. Apple has been totally unresponsive to the 100’s of posts on their support user forum. Fail to sleep also happens without an external monitor sometimes as well, but less predictably.
2. Artifacting on external monitor (DVI) connected via DVI to mini display port adapter… Has greatly increased for me since install.
+1
I thought this was me doing something wrong or a setting I had overlooked?
Overall, I love it.
Though I don’t really find Launchpad to be useful. Some things should be set as system prefs, like the checkbox to reopen apps when logging out.
Persistent and reproduceable black screen crashes. Forced to run in integrated video mode only or machine (MacBook Pro, 2.66 i7) WILL crash.
Over a thousand posts on Apple support forums from others having the exact same issues.
i was having this before Lion. Most reports on this were pre Lion I believe.
I had problems with the multitouch gestures on my trackpad not working!
Only trouble I’ve had (still have) is the occasional icon on the desktop hides itself – the filename’s still there, a quick shuffle about brings it back, but it’s annoying. Using an 2008 MBP driving an external monitor.. may be some relationship to the ‘funkiness’ you mention above.. Otherwise very happy. Can even scroll things the new way.
Not too many things. I get the screen artifacts. My issue is more functionality based. Just small things like being able to move around my desktops in MC, rename them etc. Other than that, I love it.
Can’t connect to my NAS via SMB.
We have an iMac, three newer MacBook Pros and an older MacBook Pro. All have functioned well with only one exception. The iMac locked up once when trying to login. It took several reboots to correct it. Nothing since.
Only problem – ever since upgrading to Lion my new MacBook Air takes like 30 seconds to become responsive after waking from sleep. That is very annoying.
Same here. I use the time to perfect my rendition of “The Lion Sleeps Tonight.”
My laptop does that too, but its running 9.2.2, so I guess not much has changed in the past 12 years. Haha.
Lion’s Power Management is completely broken. They reworked it in Lion, particularly the way that IODisplayWrangler handles power states. But because of Apple’s notorious secrecy, I’m pretty sure nobody told the team that writes the NVIDIA driver.
Basically if you have an ATI card, the power management is fine. If you have NVIDIA graphics, don’t plug in an external monitor or let your machine go to sleep or enable a screen saver or install 1Password or use one of the iPad desktop-extender apps or… well you get the idea.
The smart money’s on 10.7.2… 🙂
Lion is working extremely well for me.
And if Apple keeps providing updates then I am a happy user. Thanks Apple keep up the excellent work.
Too many ‘niggles’ to list them again on MDN.
Te one that I find most annoying is how mission control will sometimes arrange all my open programs linearly on top of one another and not allow me to click on anything other than the active app. Happens sporadically and goes away once I change apps via another mechanism.
Most of my initial problems probably related to some hard drive corruption problem that I had after installing lion. Sorted that out and the performance got a little better, but generally I agree that it was rushed to market.
Dual monitors is also buggy as MDN point out. Snow leopard was definitely a great deal more polished in my opinion, and in hind sight I should have waited before upgrading to Lion.
On my unibody macbook, I had a problem using Air Video server because of Some problem Lion was having with Java. Apple put out a fix but I had to search for it, a it wasn’t automatic in the software updates.
Other than than it has been perfect. My wife’s11″ Airbook is even running a second monitor, a 42″ LED Visio without problems.
Apple deprecated SmartCard Services with Lion, relying on the OpenSource SmartCard developer community to pick up the slack. Unfortunately, Lion was released before the OpenSource SmartCard developer community had support ready, so Lion users had to PAY EXTRA for services that were standard in all previous version of Mac OS X.
Apple reasoned that SmartCard Services, though pervasive, are “old technology”, so they were not included in the “next generation” Lion…unfortunately, Apple has offered NO REPLACEMENT TECHNOLOGY. Usually, Apple has dropped “old technology” (floppy disks, etc.) when they have a replacement technology solution. NOT THIS TIME!
Conclusion: Yes, Mac OS X Lion was released too early.
Problem with Safari crashing and also bookmarks not opening, however I was able to fix these issues through Apple Support pretty quickly and no issues since then without doing a reinstall. BTW, for those of us who purchased Lion there is 90 days free support directly through Apple by phone. Tech support guy repeated this a couple of times to reassure me. Happy customer as always.
What was the Safari fix?
Besides for Photoshop acting a little funny here and there I’ve had smooth sailing. I love my new Air, and it’s been an absolute pleasure for my job on the road!
Mail.app can’t send outgoing mail – .me, gmail, and university account – from home. AT&T isp. Worked fine before Lion upgrade; still works fine from iPhone and other Snow Leopard computers at home. No way to tell if it’s AT&T’s problem (no hope lies down that road) or something in Lion, so I’m waiting before upgrading my family’s computers, with my bet on Apple to fix it. Hope they can figure it out, because I know AT&T won’t.
I had this problem too with a couple of my IMAP mail accounts. Apparently authentication/password handling is a bit different in Lion. If you have a password that’s 10 characters or greater change it to something shorter. That’s just a workaround. The actual fix is more complicated and involves your ISP, but there’s no need to go into that…
@darkness – many thanks. My pw happens to be 8 chars. Ugh. Other than this issue, I love Lion, and can’t wait to introduce it to the family (bought a magic trackpad for the living room iMac), so I wish we could get this working.
I run ScreenSharing from my iMac to my MacMini in full screen mode and it sucks. The screen “wobbles” and occasionally ends up with large black blocks over it. It’s almost unusable.
Snow Leopard has been around the jungle, active, for some time ….. Lion is just waking up and needs to stretch before he will be running circles around Leopard ……
We did upgrade to Lion and I myself love the new features but it seems Lions needs more ram and faster processors than Leopard as our 2007 machines ran OK but the 2010 machines, with upgraded ram, scream …..
We are waiting on server for a few months though …..
Wish Apple had a pdf userguide.
I agree.
A proper full blown one. Not one of those 10 page highlights kids either…
Unmounting a CIFS mount is instant kernal panic.
Safari crashes all the time – usually when closing a window or opening a new one.
When waking up, it won’t automatically join my WiFi net. I always have to go select the network, every time.
Other than those two annoyances, it’s luvly. The OS itself is rock solid – no crashes and runs smoothly.
I have had four or five random gray-screen kernel panics since installing 10.7.1 on a late 2010 MBP
Lion’s Mail is no longer able to connect to Exchange 2017 or 2010 Group accounts. Other than this, Lion is trouble free.
1. Capital Block-A’s in Safari. Resolving the font conflicts made my Finder go into a continuous loop. Couldn’t restart (still kept looping). Had to restore from Time Machine.
2. Time Machine took 3 offing days to complete a backup
3. The system sometimes “forgets” Command-Tab
I get the spinning rainbow ball way more than I used to with Lion. . . . annoying. . . .
The two finger scroll well with my Macbook and I like but no sucess with the 3 an 4 fingers…
No issues with Lion, it purrs nicely on all our Macs.
The reason “one-point-zero” releases are buggy isn’t necessarily because they were released before they were finished. The developers of the OS try very hard to anticipate very possible situation in which someone might use each and every feature and build in defaults if one of their anticipations isn’t right. Through the use of beta releases they can obtain feedback from beta users about bugs that are being found so they can fix them. Once no more bugs are found, they generally release the version one-point-zero.
However, the beta testers are usually computer savvy and are limited. When the release gets into the wild with millions of users, more bugs are prone to be found. It’s just a fact of life.
I have had some issues where I will be working only MacBook Air and it will decide to close and go to sleep. Checked all system prefs and everything is OK. This happens periodically and will last for 5-10 seconds. Have found the most common time is when I am using Safari( but not always Safari!!)
On my iMac mouse clicks on windows are ignored in the bottom 20% of the screen
I did have a problem with the new version of Safari (not Lion I know, but the fix is related to it). My address and search bar disappeared. My daughter says the computer seemed to lock up and she accidentally dragged those items off the toolbar. The customize toolbar menu would not come up for me to add them back though. I was going to remove the com.apple.safari.plist file, but could not get to it until I discovered that the Option key could be held down when selecting GO in finder since the LIBRARY is hidden in Lion. I’m not sure what caused the initial problem, but I’m watching for it to happen again when I’m using the mac in question.
My MacBook consistently fails to obtain a unique ip address from my airport extreme. It seems to want to grab one that’s already in use, rendering it useless. Also the lack of smartcard support is problematic. I’m in the air force and I used to be able to access the air force web portal and work email from home without needing a pc. Now the only option is to purchase PKARD for 32 dollars to do something I used to be able to do for free.
The WebProcess process in Safari has a wicked memory leak, but that’s the only issue I’ve had. Everything else is smooth sailing.
Steinberg is forgetting a very important part of all software releases and upgrades. Waiting a few extra months doesn’t do anything. Without feedback of the large number from the public (as oppose to a small number of private beta testers) there is no way to discover all the bugs you need.
Bets testers are important, but that only takes you so far.
With these uber-complex systems we lack of ability to know whether an upgrade will really work or glitch.
A partner upgraded 10.6.x to 10.7 and something essentially corrupted the OS & hard drive, making it only possibly recoverable in a hard drive recovery clean room.
No telling if 10.6 already had the problems which 10.7 couldn’t “fix” or get around or if it was an incipient hard drive failure or what.
I always install a new OS to a blank hard drive. I maintain clones so I an ALWAYS reboot on the last state of my hard drive before any update.
Given hard drive sizes, I wonder if there shouldn’t be a built-in option from Apple to maintain a clone on a separate partition. Then the Mac can survive any sudden corruption on the normal boot partition.
In order to test Lion risk-free, i installed it on an external drive. I also chose to implement FileVault, to secure the whole disk. Now, the disk is useless! When it asks for the master password and I
give it, nothing happens. If I deliberately insert a wrong password, I get the familiar “shake” so that part of the OS is working ok. But typing the correct password locks the whole disk. Disk Utility, run from a different drive, reports no problems.
Lion roars like MGM most always.. Except for the pesky crashing wifi. Happens daily.
I wish that I had not upgraded. Crashed (the OS vaporized and re-booted itself) the OS once. Infinite loops when trying to print directly to HP printers a couple of times. HandBrake is not compatible. I disabled the stupid auto window re-open after re-boot feature. No Rosetta. Hell, Filemaker required an update. It was released before the bugs are out of it. It reminds me of the Tiger OS which was never right until about the 7th point release.
My MacBook pulls a duplicate ip address from the airport
Extreme almost every time. I’ve tried redbuilding the entire network and it still happens. The lack of smartcard support is awful. Now I have to buy PKARD for $32 to access to my military email and web applications from home. Lion is slow and hogs a lot of RAM too.
1) Safari lags and crashes in Lion more than in Snow Leopard
2) Mission Control app windows don’t always separate as they should, sometimes even blocking the view of the other desktops.
3) The last file in a list (in finder) is usually partially hidden under a scroll bar.
4) Why can’t we still have the old expose?
Only the occasional wifi drop off and just a quick off/on with the wifi and its back. Most assuredly this will be fixed with an update. Lion rocks on the new iMac 27″ 3.4Ghz i7…
Windows 7 or 8 will not be able as usual to compete with 10.7. I am running parallels for windows 7 for the specific software…
now back to the GoW2 XP weekend! your mother is a horde!
All the ‘bugs’ I’ve discovered were released as ‘features’.
I had a *very* minor issue with items on my desktop not aligning to the grid properly (they were randomly at the very edge of the screen. All I did was undo/redo the “align to grid” setting in the view options. That fixed it.
Lion is perfect in every way so far.
yes. next story.
Lion is cool. No issues here. Most of the stuff that Lion added that I’m not so fond of can be turned off. Rock and roll.
The finder doesn’t update in the new 3 column view listed in a sort order and the mail can’t send issues – all other is great.
No issues with Lion, in my dual-monitor setup. No artifacts.
Bought a ‘maxed-out’ 27″ with SSD and 16GB RAM myself and just finished installing 20 X 27″ iMacs (entry-level) at college!
NOT ONE single issue anywhere, not one dead pixel, no issues with light leak/variation, blemishes on the aluminium, OR any issues with Lion whatsoever!
One beautiful, perfect Mac suite to begin the new academic year! Congratulations Apple – stunning quality control here!
I have all Apple hardware and most of my apps are from the Mac Appstore. Since Lion I had to increase my RAM after receiving too many beach balls. I also notice my wireless Airport taking to time to connect when waking up computer.
I do have some problems with Lion, but they are limited to UI problems.
Desktops: Programs don’t stay on their assigned desktops. Programs that are assigned to one desktop can open windows on other desktops without my consent. “All desktops” behaves like “this desktop.” Sometimes. When I switch desktops, there is a delay before the desktop items appear, and sometimes they don’t appear. These problems didn’t exist in Snow Leopard. (Adobe is the exception, because they never play by the rules.)
Launchpad replaces Shift-Cmd-A with a function key and a different way of displaying the icons, but it is less useful. There are five kinds of programs on my computer. 1) Programs that I always launch directly, such as iCal and Mail. 2) Programs that I always launch by finding and opening a file first, such as Preview. 3) Programs that I launch either way, like Pages and Numbers. 4) Programs that I seldom use, such as uninstallers. 5) Programs that I never launch because they are launched by other programs or because they are part of a suite and I have no idea what they are or whether it’s safe to remove them. Launchpad treats all of the programs as if they belonged to the first type, and it isn’t natively configurable. It took hours to group them into something useful and then it turns out I don’t use it. The Dock combined with Shift-Cmd-A is a better solution. Nevertheless, if they are going to have Launchpad, it should be easy to use.
All My Files puts my 3,102 files into three categories. Too much information is the same as no information. I removed it from the Finder sidebar. I cannot imagine a scenario in which it would even be useful. All My Files gives me too much to sift through. I don’t need to see the file system for Mail, Address Book, iPhoto and programs like that, but my folder hierarchy makes things easier to find than All My Files ever could.
The iPhone and the iPad can obscure the file system and put all programs on the screen at once, but a Mac is not a giant iPad any more than an iPad is a giant iPhone. A computer is an entirely different beast and needs a different solution. Or in some cases, no solution at all, because what already exists is already optimal.
Overall OK, but have Safari freezes and system is just s-l-o-w
Here are a couple of nagging issues:
1. In Mission Control, I constantly “lose” the contents in one of the top smaller desktop images. The apps are still running in that desktop. But, there are no apps showing in that desktop in Mission control. Reported to Apple.
2. When I open a new window, it takes significantly longer for Lion to draw the custom icons. The app icons are teh default page/pen. Takes several seconds for Lion to draw all of the icons. This was/is not the case with Snow Leopard.
3. While I use Mission Control, I do not understand why Apple removed Spaces and Expose. Why not simply add Mission COntrol and let the user decide.
4. The sidebar in the Finder window is not flexible enough. I would like to have colored icons and I would like to be able to move the various groupings like devices, shared and favorites around. I like SL’s arrangement of devices on top….followed by Favorites.
5. I do not use LaunchPad. It was a waste of time to even look at it. But, nothing ventured nothing gained. I think they could have saved the code space on that one. A test group of users should have told them that well before the launch.
6. Almost forgot, I used Spaces extensively along with BetterTouchTool. I now use Mission Control. But, they are missing the obvious: Can’t move Desktops around, Can’t name desktops and do not have the simple method of rearranging and locking aps to a specific desktop via sytem references.
Like the MDN staff, our brand new iMac 27″ (with Radeon 6970) is having random graphics glitches. Lion’s new features are worth it though, because it doesn’t happen too often and paired with a Magic Trackpad, Lion is quite awesome.
Lion so far has been reliable however it’s features lacks the normal “Attention to detail” that Apple was good on. For example.
Mission Control: Loved Spaces. Now it’s a joke now that it’s combined with Mission Controls. Can’t move windows from primary to secondary monitor. Can’t move windows directly from space 1 to say space 3. Can’t assign programs to specific space anymore
Full Screen Mode and Dual Monitor: …. Sucks. I have a laptop with a 20 inch monitor as my secondary screen. Anything in full screen mode gets moved to my primary laptop display and a grey background appears on my secondary monitor. This makes the full screen mode practically use less with two monitors.
Spotlight: Can’t see file locations anymore when you mouse is hovered over the file name. Makes it impossible to know what file you opening if two files have the same name in different folders or drives.
File Version: Very slow, especially for big files in Pages. The program appears to freeze every once in a while as the program auto saves.
I have noticed that Lion needs to spin up the external disks to do things that have nothing to do with the external disks, like display a dialog box or launch Preview. This really slows things down, because I have four external disks. This was not a problem in Panther, Tiger, Leopard, or Snow Leopard.
Incidentally, I like Mission Control a lot, but it needs to be fixed.
Ken, I completely agree with you on your point about Lion pausing to wake up external disks each time an SF Dialog box is invoked. I have four drives attached too.
I find it the most irritating flaw in Lion!
I have several problems with Lion on 2009 Mac Book Pro
Wi-Fi drops, and loss of Wi-Fi when waking from sleep.
Very slow to boot.
Safari lock-ups, pages won’t load.
I have done 2 clean installs but problems persist.
I’ve done two upgrades and 1 clean install. I had the most problems on the clean install…
I love most of the new features, but I experienced a very disturbing problem of audio “leaking” from one account to another. I woke it from sleep and it started playing some very R-rated audio from from no app that I could identify. I switched user accounts and discovered a video playing from preview mode in the finder. It was the audio from that video.
This happened to me. While I was working, I suddenly heard the dialog from a TV show in iTunes. I think this is a long-standing problem on all Apple platforms. There is alway something that is “now playing” and various events can trigger it to play the last song or video that you were playing. One time I was listening to music on my iPhone when a phone call interrupted it. When I hung up, the music resumed. I was impressed. However, after that, almost every timeI ended a call (note the “almost”), the music started up, even though I had not been listening to it before the call. That song was permanently “now playing.” I had to remove all the music from my iPhone and never put it back. My suggestion is to make sure that they last video or song you play is G rated. That way, if it plays what is “now playing” won’t be embarrassing.
Yes, good idea. I’ve experienced something similar in iTunes too. But this was even more disturbing because I had to take the time to log in to the other user account to find the source of the audio. Guess I could have just hit the mute button if there was someone else in the room.
OS crashes at least every other day which then screws up blue tooth; Safari does not recognize mail. app to send a link. No crashing or mail problems on SL.
Brand new MacBook Pro 13
Very sluggish performance, especially in Safari
802.1x support when on corporate wifi is also buggy. Auto config is nice, but Authentication bugs keep locking me out, requiring a help desk call to re-enable my account.
Sorry to report some serious issues with Lion that have NEVER happened (running OS X since the day it came out) such has multiple hard freezes, lots of video artifact issues, can’t use Expose, some documents (such as with Pages), won’t appear without coaxing, and a few more. I know they’ll get resolved though.
There aren’t many bugs in lion but there are a few. 1) programing new airports is a bit flaky. Worked much better under snow leopard. I’m sure it will be addressed soon. 2) I have a large keychain with many wifi network passwords in it. It takes my computer 3-6min to finish the wifi scan before I can connect to a new network.
Having problems with WiFi. On a brand new iMac it keeps dropping the connection, on my MacBook pro, after I wake it up from a sleep, it doesn’t always reconnect. I have to turn off WiFi and turn it back on again. Nothing major serious, but very annoying.
Version 1.0 Syndrome goes on forever.
But how easily Gene has forgotten Tiger 1.0. THAT got let out of the pen too early and Apple suffered for it. Even Leopard had a worse initial release than Lion.
The only bad bug so far in Lion is it’s big fat LDAP security hole. Apple have yet to announce any impending fix. The bug is an Apple internal coding blunder. It took a hacker to find it. Such protocol bugs are not something likely to show up in general beta testing.
Surprised no one from the Enterprise side has mentioned the Elephant in the room, which is the complete mess that is smb and AD integration. It just flat doesn’t work.
Since Apple could not continue their use of Samba, they needed to write thier own smb connector. Unfortunately, it does not work!
If you have a machine that binds to Active Directory, or needs services from AD, then you must use a 3rd party tool, or wait until they iron the bugs out of 10.7.2 (which the current development build still didn’t resolve my current test machines woes).
I don’t know how Lion was released with AD binding not working correctly. That is just ridiculous and Apple is adding insult to injury by treating this so lightly. 10.7.2 won’t be released until the iCloud pieces are ready to be released! Really???
So all corporate deployments that bind their machines to AD must wait to deploy, for another month or so. And this also means that Lion Server cannot be tested and used to deploy and manage mobile devices.
Overall, very little issues otherwise. I dislike some of the decisions made with the look and feel for things (Why not have color icons in the toolbar??? Why hide the Library when some of us actually do troubleshoot these systems? Doesn’t have the KISS framework going for it (I feel that Snow Leopard was fine). Even after getting used to it, it has not become like an old friend. Just a new acquaintance that makes me miss my old friends.
Beach ball and system freezes on 2009 MacBook with 4GB RAM. Tend to believe combination of Safari, Mail, Time Machine backing up over network, MobileMe Sync and auto-save features all running at same time and fighting over resources. Can’t even start Activity monitor to see what is going on. Perhaps sandboxing glitch?
Screen zooming is random…sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t
One I did a clean install everything was great, prior to that it was a dog. Too many migrations from system to system I think has brought over garbage that just did not play well.
Aperture is slower than ever. Spinning beach ball all the time. Almost unusable.
My i7 MacBook pro completely crashes once a week :/
Yawn. I got burned upgrading immediately to Leopard, so with SL I watched the circus while waiting for 10.6.5, and similarly am enjoying the circus comprised of people that are so impatient that they would pay money to be bug-fixers for Apple’s beta Lion OS. Thanks guys. I’ll reap the benefits of your bug fixing tribulations when I upgrade at around 10.7.5. Sure, most people don’t have problems with Lion, but some do, and I run a business, and can’t afford all these hassles.
Search in Mail is still buggy for me
I absolutely have problems with lion on a 1 year old iMac. It always disconnects from airport when waking up, and it takes about five minutes of spinning beach ball funkiness for it to reset and connect. What a pain!!
In addition I get serious system hangs for no apparent reason, and my 12 gigs of ram is always full if I leave programs running for a day or more.
Serious problems all.
Problem recognizing my MBP video card sometimes.
I’ve been running Lion on an external firewire drive since March, and I wouldn’t dream of installing it on my main machine at this point. Your miliage may vary.
Mac App Store is too slow, therefore buying apps outside store. Lazy flash , yes. Rest is pretty perfect.
I have an audio issue where i don’t have audio control of my internal audio. Plugging in headphones will fix it until i reboot.
I’ve had Mail, iPhoto, Safari and the password screen crash, freeze and/or have major issues.
Wow, so many bugs!
Glad I’ve stayed with Snow Leopard.
Running an iMac 2.8 GHz with a cinema display. Using Vuescan it crashes the computer if I don’t reboot it at the end of the day. Safari still eats all the memory in the universe as well. Wonder if that will ever get fixed? At least it reopens all the windows when I quit and restart it.
The only problem that I’ve had is that when I have fullscreen apps open the dock sometimes appears
I’ve run into a few tiny glitches but nothing that makes it unusable. Safari (in full screen) won’t shot my my recent searches and sometimes when switching from Safari to another desktop will leave behind the tabs bar; in other words, the tabs bar will show up in non-Safari desktops. Come to think of it, though, that’s about all I can think of. There might be one or two other things here and there but nothing big.
FRUSTRATING bug when you open up MBPro if you don’t wait about 10 seconds before hitting a key or the trackpad then it will immediately go back to sleep. If you try and close then open again you are caught in an endless loop. Only way to fix is to restart, which I have done at least 10 times since Lion install on second day of availability.
I second the black screen crashes. Also, inability to read DVD-R disks. Worked fine under 10.6, show up as blank disk under 10.7. Annoying that I have to pop a disk into a 10.6 MacPro to read the contents. Notice others have this as well, but inconsistent. Arghhh
My brand new Macbook Air kinda sucks on occasion with Lion. Like when it wakes up, there’s a long pause with a blank screen until it figures out what to do. And every few weeks, it won’t wake up at all and requires a hard restart with the power key. I’ve also had issues with the Wi-Fi connection having to be reset in order to work. The track pad behavior isn’t always good. Sometimes it gets stuck in a mode where it’s as if the button is pushed and I have to tap it several times to get it to release. (Yes I know about the double tap as click and hold feature. It seems to trigger even if I tap once.) Some of the voices in text to speech (the brit voices, for example) have weird rules in them. For example if you have it say Mr. Smith, it will treat Mr. as the end of a sentence. There are a lot of other minor bugs too.
Other than the already-fixed graphic problems with Mission Control and the like, no problems whatsoever!
Couple of issues:
Sometimes the little preview when using spotlight stays on screen in front of everything else and will only gobaway with a restart.
Also when I move a file into a folder that an app has an open window into, the moved file doesn’t show up for a while, quite annoying and slows me down.
Quite happy in general though.
Works fine on the new 13″ MBA. Not a single complaint.
It’s too bad that every other major OS release by every other computer and electronic device company was perfect. It makes Apple look so bad… ;-P
Lion is causing my MacBook Pro to run slow and hang. It doesn’t seem to like Keynote at all. Slide projects I’m working on freeze continually. I am constantly saving. Aperture is incredibly clunky now. I find I have to shut down often. And I don’t know why they removed the Spaces icon from the menu. I never know where I am.
I have problems with iCal freezing every time I try to enter a new event or edit an existing one. It stalls every six characters or so as I try to type, and hangs long enough to make it completely unusable. Also, Safari is very unstable, crashing at times if I have 4 or 5 tabs open. This never happened before. I find Lion to be the buggiest release Apple has made since System 7.5. I agree that it was released too soon, and I’m quite certain the engineers at Apple know this to be true as well. Unacceptable and unnecessary; they should have waited.
Four of the biggest issues with Lion are as follows:
1. PDF Files in Web page frames download to download folder instead of viewing within page frame. Extremely irritating and a security issue when viewing my paycheck stubs on a shared Mac. There is a nice plugin if you do a search for “pdf browser plugin safari” that Macworld gave 4.5 mice to.
2. Lion no longer will see many NAS servers because of Apples removal of Samba. It stinks that Apple relies on the Manufacturer to come up with the changes when it used to work just fine in Snow Leopard. Unfortunately, my NAS manufacturer in no where to be found any longer so I’m left with a terabyte of storage I can’t use in Lion. Thanks Apple for that one!
3. If you work for NASA in Mission Control, you’d probably have access to any and all system critical monitoring components. I want to know who’s bright idea it was to not let me even see my minimized programs any longer in a system component that Apple calls Mission Control. REALLY? So now you are required to open safari (which was minimized and I can’t find anymore) and then do your three finger salute in order to find any other safari windows that are minimized. There is no way to see any and all minimized windows any longer (I like to minimize windows to the application icon). One would have thought that Mission Control would at least made this simple feature a part of its core system monitoring capabilities. NOPE. Apple left the fuel gage out on that one.
4. Dual screens no longer work in Lion. There is no easy way to display Safari on one screen and Pages on another screen. Thanks for making it more difficult to do term and research papers!
I do have a few more issues but I’ll just conform to the Apple way of doing things with those. I’m not entirely bitter about Lion. I think that it has many qualities that will one day make it better than Snow Leopard. Unfortunately, today is not that day.
samba issue is not Apple’s fault, per se. They could no longer use it due to licensing. However, while I do expect some issues, the current implementation is worse than i expected it to be.
Give them time and they will resolve these issues, even for your NAS.
I’m just upset that my entire Avid Pro Tools setup is now useless until either Avid or Apple can fix it.
Unmitigated disaster for me and I’m a long time Apple fan and even still have a little code in the OS.
Full screen apps are a disaster for a multiple monitor system
None of my old quicktime movies play anymore. Hundreds of home videos. But get this: they’ll play in quick look in the finder, just not in quicktime.
One by one I find I’m turning the new features off: I prefer the old mail interface, I like to have scroll bars there because I don’t like swipe, swipe, swiping.
Sliding between safari views gets accidentally activated by a fraction of an inch and my mouse clicks go dead.
I click in iDisk documents and get the spinning cursor. Never did before, everything used to be cached and updated.
I much prefer the old Spaces. I could give a damn about mission control. There’s not a single thing added to Lion so far that I care to have and many I can’t stand.
Mail 5 with Exchange is a HUGE problem. Loses folders left and right. Once they all disappear (they do stay OK on the server) the finally come back. Apple support said (pre 10.7.1) that it’s a known bug but no idea when it will be fixed. Waiting for 10.7.2 to fix it. Also, when replying to the top message in a conversation, it replies to the second message which is the one you sent to someone so you end up replying to yourself if you’re not careful. And not exactly a bug,; but the 3 panel view is useless with a minimum of two lines in the middle panel. Why not allow for single lines in the center panel with From, Subject, Date, Size, etc. There’s plenty of room and then message can easily be sorted by those columns. On an iPad this two line (or more) format work, but on a desktop, it’s counterproductive.
Mail.app is not deleting local copies of messages though they are being deleted from the MS Exchange server. Apple support had me removed the account and add it back. It worked for a while and is now broken again.
1 – New address book sucks, where’s the 3 column?
2 – Mail needs to be restarted sometimes to get all the messages
3 – Other hard drives on the system do not load fast, have tp wait for them to spin back up, even after they are set not to sleep
4 – spinning beach ball
5 – apurture is slow
6 – lack of ‘save as’ in text edit blows, and also when you want to edit a text edit doc, it gives all these warnings… dumb
7 – should still support rosetta
8 – don’t like the side swipe to get to dashboard… when editing in final cut pro it constantly goes to dashboard when i don’t want it to
9 – safari is sometimes slow to respond
10 – the desktop image has a stupid white star under the “go” word at top and under “history” if you are in safari… need to photoshop that star out.. it’s annoying…
apple needs to:
1 – fix address book back to old way
2 – put rosetta back in OS
3 – create a website editor like golive
4 – create a photoshop and illustrator killer and kiss adobe goodbye
5 – create a mac based database for web servers
6 – make a strong I/O for the audio side
7 – update final cut pro 7 to something respectable and re-name final cut pro X to imovie x …
My airport indicator constantly cycles like it’s looking for a connection, even when it’s connected. Safari seems to be slow at times, too.
Used Lion on my brand new MBP 13″ for 4 weeks, it worked, but SL is still better, so MBP is in its box in garage and I use the old iMac and my new iPad2. Mail app is the biggest problem; how it handles compiling text from different e-mails to what I’m about to send, aaaand more e-mails are coming in that should be checked out too. Lion Mail can’t do that.
Coping files from one mac to another can be buggy saying you dont have permission. Reminds me of windows. A restart fixes it but still anoying
Lion caused my battery life to drop to half – a 2010 MBP 15″ now lasts for 3 hours. Yesterday, my iTunes database completely deleted itself – I had to reimport everything from the iTunes music folder.
@ Jobs a Gonna
Looks like no one gives a flying f*ck he’s dying no wonder when he’s surplus to Apple requirements he’s not needed anymore – might as well have the waste disposed of…
A few, to tell you the truth, no huge issues, but some annoying ones nevertheless
A few issues related to Aperture. Multitouch gestures don’t work with Aperture anymore. Auto logout doesn’t work if aperture open.
Safari starts automatically, but the actual safari window is nowhere to be found. Must restart Safari in order to get it to work.
Takes ages to boot…and it’s slowed down my system entire.