“Adobe has now issued a correction retracting [a statement in a tech note outlining issues with Adobe products running on OS X Lion by claiming that Lion may have dropped support for hardware acceleration of Flash Player content] and noting that OS X Lion does in fact offer the same level of hardware acceleration as found in Mac OS X Snow Leopard,” Eric Slivka reports for MacRumors.
The final release of Mac OS X Lion (10.7) provides the same support for Flash hardware video acceleration as Mac OS X Snow Leopard (10.6). The previous “Known Issue” described in a tech note suggesting that video hardware acceleration was disabled in Lion was incorrect and based on tests with a pre-release version of Mac OS X Lion that related to only one particular Mac GPU configuration. – Adobe
Slivka reports, “Adobe notes that it continues to ‘work closely’ with Apple on bringing a high quality Flash experience to Mac users.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Lazy Adobe with their archaic, bloated, battery-sapping Flash. We’d love to hear their definition of “working closely with Apple.” Getting hung up on by Steve Jobs?
While we are complaining about Adobe… lets complain about their cheap and lazy ass Adobe CS developers… How about some upgrades for those components still in CS4 and over that employ PPC code?
Isn’t “high quality Flash experience” an oxymoron?
well… not if it’s a lady with a great body.
then in fact it is “High Quality Flash experience” 😛
oh.. referring to Adobe?
yeah Oxymoron.
I understand what you are attempting to point out, however, no…it’s not a oxymoron.
Quite a misused/misunderstood term. eg “Jumbo shrimp or “living dead” would be oxymorons. Essentially it points to the paradox of two contradictory terms used together.
Flash is shit, shit means low quality, so high quality shit is an oxymoron.
Do you like fish-sticks?
Not when you are talking about Maui Wowie. That is high quality shit
Umm…yeah it is. “High Quality” and “Flash”, used together.
My kid is an architecture student and has every Adobe product known to man made on his Mac. Besides Flash issues, should I install Lion now or are there too many real issues with running Adobe products on Lion right now?
Flash is considered by many to be a malware (particularly on Macs and mobile platforms); the rest of Adobe products, though useful, can be bloatware. Lack of Flash support, to be honest with you, is something I consider to be a feature.
Having said all that, I wouldn’t recommend for your son or any other professional to rush to install/update the latest OS on a machine where they do their professional/academic work or is a primary computer.
I’m typing this from my MBP running Leopard still. When I’m ready for Lion, I’ll just pick up the new MB Air.
Asking this forum is not the place to get concrete answers. Go to Adobe to find out if any of their apps are having problems on Lion. Be sure to verify that installers are not PPC, as apparently Microsoft Office 2004 uses PPC installers but everything else is a Universal app. So the apps may work fine, but you may not be able to install.
Standard wisdom from years past says wait. While you can get some info from Adobe now, there may be other apps NOT made by Adobe that’s not ready yet.
Being a Pro means being safe, which means you have to wait months after everyone else has upgraded before you have enough information to confirm it’s good for you.
The reason for waiting is to see if anyone has problems. The duration of a reasonable waiting period obviously depends on the adoption rate. The adoption rate for Lion is so high that Monday is probably paranoid enough.
Other than Flash, there have been no squawks about Adobe products on Lion. Since the low price of Lion has caused a high early adoption rate, that’s significant. There should be no problems. Microsoft Office 2004 is written for a PowerPC CPU and will never, ever, ever run on Lion. If you are using it, you should upgrade to Office 2011, if only because it is more closely compatible with OS X’s UI and the Windows version. Office 2011 is written for Intel, but it contains some small utilities that you may never use that are still PowerPC. Microsoft leaves a screw-up in each product as their hallmark.
Office 11? I’d say try OpenOffice or Pages. Im liking Pages more and more these days.
i use and prefer Pages. I was talking to some one who doesn’t.
I have Office 2011 for when I work with clients who use it. I use complicated layouts that both word processors can do, but so differently the don’t go through the converter.
Steve Jobs doesn’t take their calls. He informs his secretaries to “accidentally” hang up while transferring the call.
I can tell you Flash is much worse now in Lion than it was with Snow Leopard on my 3-year-old Macbook Pro. Hardly runs at all in full screen mode, get maybe one frame every 5 seconds. I’d like to see someone (Apple or Flash) do something to make it run faster.
“I’d like to see someone (Apple or Flash) do something to make it run faster.” Why would you think that it could even remotely be Apple’s responsibility to make a third party product run faster? Especially when you take into account Steve Job’s “Banning” of Flash on any of it’s IOS devices.
Okay guys its been asked before, but I’m going to ask now since software development is so quick nowadays. Recommendations before are probably obsolete.
Photoshop ( maybe 75% replacement ? ) = Pixelmator
Illustrator = ?
Acrobat = ?
I use Pixelmator (although I’m not a graphic artist) and like it better than Photoshop. It can probably do at least 75% of what Photoshop can do. And the price is right.
Can’t help you with the other 2, sorry.
Thanks and Pixelmator will do for me also. 🙂
> It can probably do at least 75% of what Photoshop can do.<
Not by a long shot. While I heartily agree that Photoshop became bloatware years ago, the only other apps (that I know of) that are even close to it are GIMP and Painter. Painter is aimed at a different crowd, and GIMP has been used in professional pipelines.
Even before Photoshop became bloatware, Pixelmator could not touch its feature set. That does not mean I do not love Pixelmator, but it depends on the sort of work one is doing. Apple's own Preview can do a lot of things, but I would not compare it to either Photoshop or Pixelmator.
I was referring to the upcoming 2.0 release.
http://www.pixelmator.com/sneak-preview/
been debating on buying Pixelmator for a long time…
Just looked over the 2.0 stuff.
It’s looking better and better all the time..
With as much work i do with image editing. (minimal..) Photoshop is just a joke to even think about anyway.
$29.99 is very tempting, and knowing that i’ll get the 2.0 update free..
For Illustrator replacement there’s Artboard, DrawIt and Intaglio. You can see these and others reviewed at…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_vector_graphics_editors
For Acrobat replacement, I use Preview. It just gets better with each OS X version.
Oh thanks! I’ll check these out and buy one of them.
How do you create Acrobat documents using Preview? While Mac OS X does have the ability to print to PDF, there is no way to create a PDF form, copy/paste/edit text inside a PDF document and do many other things for which the proper Acrobat is required.
A side note: some five versions ago, Adobe has changed the naming in the Acrobat family. What used to be called Acrobat Reader has been renamed Adobe Reader, whereas Acrobat was the professional, paid software for creating PDFs. This was some six years ago, and practically everyone continues to call Adobe Reader the “Acrobat Reader” (and oftentimes just “Acrobat”). I find it quite amusing, as I’m sure it is immensely frustrating for people at Adobe.
If you’re not afraid of X-Windows, there’s always Gimp as a photoshop replacement.
I actually use Inkscape for line art (supports SVG, EPS)
GraphicConverter, Gimp, iPhoto for photo
As far as Acrobat, OS X print system is PDF based, so anything you can print can be saved as a PDF, although any other functions I’m not sure of.
Illustrator _ I use EazyDraw and love it
Acrobat – I use pdfpenpro for editing signing PDFs and making editable forms
Their comment yesterday was either pure FUD or lazy research on their part. Either way, it shows how shitty of a company they’ve become.
They came across sounding as if Lion took them by surprise. What have they been doing all this time instead of preparing for Lion?
Working desperately at getting Flash to work on Android. And failing miserably, I might add.
And their retraction of their earlier claim makes it sound like they only started their testing yesterday, just happened to start on the wrong machine, and went public with that info immediately. Makes them seem extremely amateurish.
“Adobe notes that it continues to ‘work closely’ with Apple on bringing a high quality Flash experience to Mac users.”
So Adobe freely admits that the Flash experience on Macs is not high quality.
You know, after looking in System Profiler and seeing that there were STILL some PPC Apps in Illustrator, I decided that my upgrade to Lion was also going to be the time I ditched CS3 and see how I went. Of course, I still have Snow Leopard with CS3 so I wasn’t completely throwing it away. But somehow my Mac feels ‘cleaner’. I like the way my Apps are in the root of the Applications folder, not in a folder, in a folder, in the Applications folder like CS3 does, before crop spraying hidden/support files in non-standard locations…
So far, I haven’y needed any of CS3, I’ve found a few excellent utilities on the App Store that manipulate PDFs much better than Acrobat ‘Professional’ ever did, Pixelmator takes care of my light Photoshop work, Pages replaces InDesign (I just work in smaller docs, export to PDF and merge them) and Illustrator… well I’m still looking. Any suggestions?
So, fsck you Adobe. You had years, YEARS to bring your Apps up to speed and yet you did nothing. You sat on your collective asses and pocketed the cash while loyal users like myself were/are left with hideous bugs that will probably never be fixed.
Signed,
RastaMouse.
that always bugged the crap out of me… no matter who does it.
Roxio does it with Toast.
Apple does with iWork (I really don’t think i did that)
Adobe does it.
I had a ‘copy’ of iWork pre-App Store and yes I concur that Apple put them into a folder called iWork ’09. But since I bought my legitimate copies from the App Store they are now correctly located in the root of the Applications folder.
yeah i have the Disk version.
I’ll buy iWork 11/12/13 off app store, when they actually make a new version…
the only folder i do want in the applications folder is a separate one for Games really.
Funny, Android does Flash on my Android phone and tablet device, and I get just as much battery life on those devices as I did on my iPhone and iPad (which I sold to buy these other devices). At this stage, it’s pretty clear the only reason Apple doesn’t want to “compromise” on providing Flash on these devices isn’t technical in nature, but personal.
Ps. I don’t need the countless fanboy attacks regarding my choice of technology, but I am sure I’ll get it regardless.
There are countless reviews of Flash on Android (and Playbook, and TouchPad) which say it’s a horrible battery hog which doesn’t work properly. If it’s somehow magically working for you, then you’re one of the very very lucky few, and not representative of the majority.
The problem is clearly on Adobe’s side. (As should be obvious from the sheer number of Adobe apps which have not been updated to work properly with Lion, something other developers have had no problem doing.)
wasn’t there Flash based malware/Virus for Flash enabled android devices just recently?
(not the first time either…)
yeah thats right…. Apple iOS devices not effected. again.
HTML5 smokes Flash in every aspect. Why use OLD tech? Even Adobe agreed HTML5 is better…
once again, SJ was right… Adobe is wrong.
If i can find it, there was a post here on MDN (from a user not MDN) that told a story of bringing his iPad into a Verizon store where the Verizon clerk bashed him for having an iPad and proceeded to show him why Flash on an Android device was better. and the guy was able to load a few pages, play a youtube vid etc, in the same time it took the Verizon clerk to load and play ONE flash based page…
It was hilarious to read. (now if i could only find it…)
I don’t particularly care what platform you use but if you had Apple devices and then dumped all of them for Droid devices, why do you come back here to post? It suggests a dissatisfaction weigh Apple so it makes little sense (unless it is because you like to stir the pot)….
Battery life was not the only reason Jobs outlined for Apple’s position.
Jobs is not stupid and would not put his own feelings about Adobe above the end result for Apple. In the states, iOS devices do very well against Android within the same carrier, so he is not hurting Apple’s bottom line. BTW, I hear that is doing OK these days.
Jobs may be have a mean streak, but when it comes to technology, his choices have always been utilitarian. He does not believe in supporting technologies that compromise the user experience on Apple devices. Compare the user satisfaction data on iOS and Android devices and you can see the result of this approach for the whole system (exclusion of Flash being only one of many factors).
I have no problem with Droid or Android devices – the flaghip Android smartphones are certainly very good devices. So this is not some Apple fanboy attack on an Android fanboy. However, I would say that you need to more fully understand why Apple excludes Flash from iOS devices and how Jobs-run Apple has historically operated. You would then not have the opinion that this is “personal”.
As I reply to this there are only 4 replies (now 5) to your post. So they aren’t countless and they aren’t bashing your choices. Sorry to disappoint you and we are very happy that you are happy with your devices. So long.
“Funny, Android does Flash on my Android phone and tablet device, and I get just as much battery life on those devices as I did on my iPhone and iPad”
No, you don’t. You never had an iPhone or iPad, and it’s unlikely you have a Droid either. You’re a viral marketer paid to spam the internet with thinly disguised ads for the product du jour. In this case, the Droid.
How do I know? Because Flash strangles the battery life out of any and every Android device it runs on, but that’s not all! It chugs and stutters when it tries to do anything even remotely demanding on the fastest Android tablets and handsets. And even if these problems were fixed, tons of Flash apps would still be unusable because their user interfaces demand that the user perform actions that can never be performed using a touch screen.
Any legit Droid owner could tell you it’s a battery sucker, at the very least. So you aren’t a legit Droid owner. A troll just dicks around bashing things for their own amusement, they don’t try to sell products. You are trying to sell products.
That’s how I know.
At this stage, it’s pretty clear the only reasons why Apple doesn’t want to “compromise” on providing Flash on iOS devices are technical. They don’t want that trainwreck anywhere near their platform and I can’t see how anyone could honestly blame them for it.
I’ve had an iPhone 3, 3GS and 4, as well as an iPad 1 and generation 1 iPod Touch. Not a viral marketer, although the idea seems interesting. If it’s this ease to get Apple fanboys to go ape-shit this could be an easy source of income.
Anywho, thanks for the entertainment. Lemmings.
There was a developer version of Lion out for some time and Adobe is again not able to shipp a update for there products imedatly aft the release of Lion. Other companies act much faster and in therms of the high price of Adobe products I would expect a much more customer oriented behavoir but I guess for Adobe it is easier to point to Apple instead of doing there job – this is really Kindergarden behavior
How about Adobe reacts to customer satisfaction? What a horrible company has Adobe turned in to. It’s a shadow of what it used to be. They have lost there way completely.
In the tech industry, if you don’t innovate, you will die. Adobe execs should STFU and make products work well with Lion. Apple don’t need Adobe, Adobe needs Apple!!
my 2 cents…
Agreed.. this is not the 90’s.. and HTML 5 doesn’t need Adobe
In a way this may be Adobe hating apple and pissed off at them changing their architecture on them making them redo their code.. then again.. adobe doesn’t seem to be quick to make the best changes as we have seen here.
Laziness has become the chief characteristic of Adobe, displacing incompetence
Yeah I’m sure Apple is hauling ass to …accomodate this thing they basically want to kill.
“a high quality Flash experience”
AKA: a contradiction in terms
From what I can see, Abode expects everyone to conform to its product specifications. This is the height of sheer hubris of a company that thinks it is on the operating system level; and it is a millstone around the neck of advancement.
I don’t think laziness is really the issue at hand. What I think is the problem is that Adobe is no longer ran by creative people trying to come to market with new innovative solutions that would help there customers achieve more. Certain features of the CS5 are cool but they certainly don’t warrant the exorbitant price that Adobe seems to be demanding. The worst part is that they will penalize any user that does not upgrade to every single release. They charge more if you skip one release. This policy only serves to drive more and more users to cracks and pirated versions to be able to use the latest features. Just like the greedy music executives, Adobe will one day realize that they are competing with free, then they might see things in a new light.