MacDailyNews Note: In case you missed it: Adobe ceases development of Flash packager for Apple iPhone, iPad – April 21, 2010
Shankland continues, “When Apple changed the terms of its iPhone 4.0 software developer kit license, it effectively blocked Adobe’s move. But in his Tuesday announcement that Adobe will cease future development of the Flash-apps-on-iPhone technology, Mike Chambers, Adobe’s principal product manager for the Flash platform, let loose a tirade that indicates the battle between the two companies isn’t over yet… ‘I think that the closed system that Apple is trying to create is bad for the industry, developers, and ultimately consumers, and that is not something that I want to actively promote,’ Chambers said.”
“In a response, Apple indicated its preference for a variety of up-and-coming standards that collectively compete with what Flash can do,” Shankland reports. “‘Someone has it backwards–it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe’s Flash is closed and proprietary,’ said spokeswoman Trudy Miller in a statement.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Exactly. Apple’s approach calls for an open and standard Web while lazy Adobe’s Flash is closed and proprietary.
In addition, we’ll repeat what we wrote this morning and many times prior: Adobe’s Flash is a proprietary, resource-hogging, browser-crashing abomination and, even more importantly, we don’t want ported software on our iPhones, iPads, or Macs because software designed for the lowest common denominator is inferior to software designed to take advantage of individual platforms’ strengths.
Adobe is lazy and they want to cater to developers like themselves. When given a choice between going the extra mile to accomplish great work that’s custom-tailored to individual platforms or clicking a button to excrete watered-down ported results, lazy Adobe will always choose the latter.
Android and the rest of the me-too also-rans are perfect for Adobe. May they all drown together in their homogenized puddle of mediocrity.
Note to advertisers: (including those who advertise via third-party ad networks and become, in effect, our advertisers): Your Flash-based ads are no longer reaching the most well-heeled customers online: 50+ million iPhone owners. They’re also not hitting brand new iPad users or 35+ million iPod touch users. If you care about reaching people with discretionary income, you might want to consider dumping your flash-based ads and moving to a more open format that people with money and the will to spend it can actually see.
Help kill Adobe’s Flash:
• Ask MarketWatch to offer HTML5 video via the customer support web form here.
• Ask CNBC to offer HTML5 video via the customer support web form here.
• Contact Hulu and ask them to offer HTML5 video via email:
• Ask ESPN360 to offer HTML5 video instead Flash via their feedback page here.
• Join YouTube’s HTML5 beta here.
• On Vimeo, click the “Switch to HTML5 player” link below any video.
I’m a little disappointed in Google. They had pretty much been in lockstep with Apple in promoting open web standards. Now, they see Flash as being some strategic advantage over Apple, and so their enmity with Apple outweighs their support for open web standards. So much for principles.
Good – glad someone from Apple called him on that.
Adobe’s trying to pull a Google – pretending that their closed, proprietary stuff (search engine technology for Google, Flash for Adobe) is somehow magically free and open.
@ KenC – I hadn’t thought about that, but you’re right. Of course, Adobe should be thinking ahead, and realizing they could become beholden to Google when it comes to Flash, if they keep going down this road.
Adobe has been pissing on Apple and its customers for over a decade. I will avoid giving Adobe one more cent for their overpriced junk.
HTML5 Arcade Games :
http://www.kesiev.com/akihabara/
The first rule of business is don’t piss off the people you need to do business. Adobe bet against apple and against html 5 but now the truth is that no sane website will ignore 100000000 customers forever. Adobe should have found a solution 3 years ago. tough luck, I wouldn’t expect them around in five years.
Thats funny that you say that ported apps are for the lowest common denominator–because thats exactly what I think the iPhone in general. Great potential that has been dumbed down. The irony of Apple calling Flash a closed system is just..wow. mind=blown.
Message to MDN. If you are so much against Flash, stop pointing to Flash videos. I can’t watch them on my touch.
If you are so in favor of GREAT apps on the iPhone or iPad, clean your house and make the batch count tell me how many unread items I gave instead of an almost random number that resets even when the app crashes before opening.
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
h.264 is not technically open
I have a Flash blocker installed. I don’t see any Flash except what I really want to see (I count six ads I’m not seeing on this page alone), and I’m shocked at the amount of Flash that’s in use on web sites. It’s way too much.
“Mike Chambers, Adobe’s principal product manager for the Flash platform, let loose a tirade that indicates the battle between the two companies isn’t over yet… “
Uh, yeah. It’s over. Adobe lost. Apple (and consumers) won.
Another moron calling Apple “closed” with no explanation or clue about what they mean by “closed.” Let’s just called Apple “closed” because because everyone else is saying it. Adobe is “open.” Google is “open.” Apple is “closed.” This is nonsense…
Apple makes most of its profit from selling the hardware. Microsoft, Adobe, and Google from software (and/or advertising). The later three have much more motivation to be “closed” and controlling in terms of software and user data, compared to Apple.
Now lets see.. 2 years ago Adobe share price was about $45 fell to $16 during the meltdown and has recovered to $35.92
Apple share price range over the same period $185 fell to $75 and currently sitting at $259
Is the market voting on Flash?
Adobe should split Flash off into a new division. I hate the thought of having photoshop, illustator and dreamweaver that I use all the time go into beta.
@jjjj
“h.264 is not technically open”
Why on earth not? It has been an approved standard since 2003. It is true, as with all modern technology, that there are licensing costs. Why wouldn’t there be? (The (multiple) companies that developed and patented the codec technology are businesses, not charities.)
H.264 is completely exempt from royalties only if the final product is free to the consumer.
This is very simple, I can do web pages with HTML5, CSS, JavaScript for free, but I have to pay about 300 dollars if I want to make a page with flash. any one at adobe?
…”Thats funny that you say that ported apps are for the lowest common denominator–because thats exactly what I think the iPhone in general”
Could you elaborate, how is iPhone “the lowest common denominator”???
…”the irony of Apple calling Flash a closed system…”
Could you explain, where is the irony? The closest that Flash ever gets to an open standard is probably the MPEG-4 flavour of video that it can support, although even that is conveniently wrapped in Adobe’s proprietary FLV wrapper. In reality, there is absolutely no part of Flash that is a defined open standard; everything is Adobe’s proprietary technology, and for Adobe is the sole beneficiary from the use of Flash and the technologies therein.
Apple’s iPhone OS has UNIX at its core (and Apple’s ‘Darwin’ project is open-source); iTunes sells music in MPEG-4 (an audio compression standard by Motion Picture Engineering Group; not Apple), without any encryption; SDK for the platform uses Objective-C (open source-based programming language). These are just a few off the top of my head (I could to a bit of Googling for more, but I don’t have the time).
In other words, at least as open as come of the competition, much more open than most of it.
“4 The chariots storm through the streets, rushing back and forth through the squares. They look like flaming torches; they dart about like lightning.” (Bible, Nahum 2:4)
“16”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (Bible, New Testament, John 3:16)
Men readily believe what they want to believe. (Caesar)
Saint Augustine said that if you want to believe you believe.
Note to would-be-Flash-to-iPhone developers:
I won’t waste any of my money on your shitty port, with half-assed thought going into design.
Learn the correct language or go away and play with C#.
If Adobe were serious about putting Flash on the iPhone, they would develop an iPhone app that could run flash and submit it for approval. Of course, Apple can block this, but whatever Apple does, Adobe will at least have the moral high ground. This would be much better for Apple, too since instead of having to vet tons of shovelware as Flash games are ported over, all the crap is confined to a single app and Apple can point the finger for any and all performance issues back at Adobe.
Let Android adopt Adobe Flash. That way, once they start targeting the mobile market, hackers will have one more reason to target Android phones over the iPhone.
This is easy…. Keep flash the way it is (in the process of how you create it)… and then make it so there is no need for a plug-in on the browser. Is that really that difficult… It’s not like you pay for the plug-in, just the development tools.
What the nay-sayers don’t seem to get is that lack of flash on iPad is not a problem.
In the world of apps, the web is less and less important.
Hulu will come out with an iPad app. It will be a better experience than the website.
The internet is becoming more of conduit and less of a destination. That alone is bad news for Adobe.
@travis
“The irony of Apple calling Flash a closed system is just..wow. mind=blown.”
Wow – what are you smoking anyway?
Adobe Flash IS a closed, proprietary system.
I can use open source apps on my Mac, so how could calling Adobe out for their closed, proprietary system possibly be ironic?
That just doesn’t make any sense.
In other words…
Flash is for red necks and trailer trash.
@annodomini77
Mythology is goddam cool!
“May they all drown together in their homogenized puddle of mediocrity.”
………….DAYUM!
MDN keepin’ real, son–goin hard no’msayin yung! WEB-SIEET!
By the time Adobe gets Flash 10.1 out the door (which still won’t run all Flash content) Apple will likely have 100 million iPhone OS users out there while Flash 10.1 will be starting from zero.
Shoots self in foot ….
The Mac platform is not a whorehouse where anyone can do anything he likes and leaves with a bad attitude. Adobe Flash is a bad kettle of fish. Avoid it at all cost and spare the regrets.
Wow!
I just installed Flashblock for Firebox and the Web is so much faster! Even on MDN!!!
I am not just saying this. You should try it. You can always uninstall it again if you don’t want it.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433
MDN is also quite annoying with its pop up ads and all that. This is why my friends and I are trying 9 to 5 Mac
http://www.9to5mac.com/
@KenC
You’re right.
I appear to be alone here but I believe making Adobe the enemy is not helpful. I was about to buy a lovely new iPad but my favourite sites won’t work on it.
What happens when Adobe cancels CS6 development for Mac?
“What happens when Adobe cancels CS6 development for Mac?”
Adobe goes out of business as their customer base drops by over 50% overnight, Apple begins developing their own answer to the CS suite.
LOL… H.264 isn’t open…
Soon companies that want to use H.264 will have to pay a license fee. OGG is open and shall be endorsed by Apple if they want open standards, but don’t count on it. Apple has failed to support Ogg Vorbis on their iPod line ever since it was introduced even though the standard is open and free to implemente.
I love H.264 but 2013 or when it was, companies will have to start to pay for it and we are back to square one again. Flash my be on the way out but H.264 will be here instead and it’s not free and it’s not open. Even though H.264 is great I think we have to back away from it to avoid problem but I don’t think that will happen so we will be stuck with another NONE-FREE technogy, again.
Note to advertisers: PUH-LEASE continue flash based ads.
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