“Apple’s retail market share is 14 percent, and two-thirds for PCs costing $1,000 or more,” Joe Wilcox reports for eWeek. “Should I repeat those numbers? The share data is for first-quarter [U.S.] brick-and-mortar stores, as tabulated by the NPD Group. Apple’s market share is but one measure of success. Sales growth is way up, while Windows desktop PC sales are way down.”
“‘In notebooks they’re growing two times the market,’ said Stephen Baker, NPD’s vice president of industry analysis,” Wilcox reports. “‘Windows notebooks are pretty much flat right now.’ For the first quarter, Windows notebooks had ‘zero percent” growth year over year, Stephen said. By comparison, Apple notebooks had ’50 to 60 percent growth.’ On the desktop, ‘They’re up 45 percent,’ he continued. ‘The [overall] market is down 20 percent. Windows desktops would be down 25 percent.’ The figures are also for first quarter.”
“I spoke with Stephen earlier this afternoon. He remarked: ‘iMacs are growing and the Windows desktop ain’t. No matter how you look at it, Apple is outperforming Windows,'” Wilcox reports. “Apple’s market share in what NPD calls the ‘premium’ category, or laptop and desktop PCs selling for $1,000 or more, is nothing short of phenomenal: 66 percent. That’s right, two-thirds.” Stephen said Apple appeals to the right segments, like multiple-computer households. Consumers that are buying a second, third or even fourth PC have different buying priorities, such as ease of use [and Apple’s] retail stores make a huge difference.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Note: “Apple’s share of the $1,000-plus retail market was less than 18% in January 2006 according to NPD. By September 2007, it had grown to more than 57%,” Phillip Elmer-Dewitt reports for Fortune. More here.
Holy mackerel! How many people by PCs for less than a grand? With apologies to Mac Mini, what do they think they’re getting for their money?
The key here is the market Apple chooses to compete in. The profit margins, and frankly the quality, of sub 1k pcs doesn’t make it a market worth competing in. A sub 1k pc can run last years OS, last year’s office apps, and that’s about it.
I use PCs too. I use only top of the line parts, they cost about 3k to make, can play the latest games (the only thing I really need a pc for anymore – hello Apple?), and last me 5 years. You get what you pay for.
There’s a premium market??? I thought all computers were supposed to cost no more than the bargain-basement, piece-of-crap PC’s that Apple critics are always comparing Macs with. Now we’re getting somewhere!
I was on a plane coming back from Beijing last week and noticed that nearly all of the laptops in use on that flight were MBPs.
The NPD data just confirm my personal observations over the past several years as a heavy business traveller. I used to be the only one with a Mac among those with Dells and Thinkpads. The Macs have been taking over lately. (I haven’t seen may MB Airs though).
@HMCIV
I would argue that nearly ALL desktop PCs bought for standard business use (not video / graphics) are under $1000.
The Dells we use cost something like $600, and are completely adequate for running our ERP and MS Office.
However, Dell and HP are not making a lot of money on these machines. Thats why I sold all my Dell stock several years ago and have kept buying Apple.
As a shareholder, I am happy that Apple only has one model under $1000, and would prefer that nobody buys it. I would rather lose the sale and have a PC assembler get the sale than for Apple to make a sale with $0 of profit. That hurts margin %, as well as return on capital, which damages the stock valuation.
It is also just plain bad business, but obviously many managers don’t seem to realize this and justify “loss leaders” as being done for “strategic” reasons. That may be true if their long term strategy is to go out of business, which Dell seems to be doing.
When is the slate of usual jackasses going to start filing ‘monopoly’ lawsuits??
While reading this article my first thought was to that wonderful Bill Gates quote questioning the point of Steve Jobs’ return to Apple in ’96:
“He has to know that he can never win.”
Never is such a long time, no?
whoops! quote was from ’99.
my bad
@ marcos
It is not illegal to be a monopoly in a given market. It is illegal to use monopoly power to force people to use your other products. IBM got in trouble in the 1970’s not for having monopoly power in main frames, but for preventing purchasers from using add on products from any other supplier. Software was not really an issue back then. It was disk drives, card readers, printers etc.
“By the way … does anyone know what Monkey Boy is up to in the video on this page?”
I’m not positive, but it appears that he is basking in the warm glow of delusion.
-Timbo
Problems with these statistics:
1) What % of all computers were sold that were over $1000.
2) US sales only
3) Retail sales only
Apple still has a lot of room to grow and these are just statistics.
(Kinda like saying Alienware sells x% of all gaming notebooks)
f-n GO AAPL
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People, please take time to understand the numbers.
The important ones are based on current or previous quarter. The number of dead PCs in existence is of no concern.
What shipped last quarter and what percentage tells us where the world is today.
PS, Apple stock down by any real amount = BUYING opportunity.
PS, I love this Apple spell checker in Anything you do thing. I use firefox on the pc and I have to keep jumping out to word to check spelling. It sucks.
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My god Zuney, you think $1000 is a lot of money for a computer. Phew, it’s like £500. Frickin’ peanuts to throw at something you spend so much of your time using…
Just because there are a few desparate companies that sell loss leaders that will eventually kill their bottom line (unless they stop selling crap) doesn’t mean computers should be cheap.
It’s amazing how computers are the only technology products where a whole bunch of people like you will just settle for third rate cheap no-name crap or build it yourself DIY kits just because it’s cheaper. Your mum not give you enough pocket money ZT? Do you look for the cheapest bargain basement crap when you buy a TV? Or when you buy a car or a kitchen appliance? Surely not!
I’d prefer to buy good quality brand names for my home because I know I will get good help if those products go wrong. I also know that those companies have a reputation to maintain and so they use decent parts which cost them a little more.
Would you build your own home Hi-Fi to make it cheaper? How about putting together a Kit car to save money? Who will support that if it goes wrong?
What a bunch of cheap skates!!!
As far as I am concerned if a computer costs less than £700 it will most probably be crap and bugger up prematurely.
£700 is about $1400 so how much of the $1400 or above market does Apple own?
Statistics… ahh! On Apple stores alone its market share was more than 100%
Apple sells the most, expensive computers.
No news there.
Windows losers have been saying this since Windows 1.0.
For those who are watching Apple’s stock, the question is why would you? This news came out late Friday. I responded in the comments section that night. By Monday, it’s old news already. Heck, I was trying to remember last night, if I had read a link to the NPD numbers here on MDN, and if not, whether I should send the link. I couldn’t remember, so I didn’t. Any news that comes out late Friday, is BURIED. So, don’t expect a price bump.
What would be more interesting is the UNITS for the categories. Clearly, the retail store units for >$1000 computers is quite small. Nowadays, most desktops appear to be less than $1000. Even laptops are quite cheap. I think they need to redefine the categories to something more meaningful, having the split around $900.
“PS, I love this Apple spell checker in Anything you do thing. I use firefox on the pc and I have to keep jumping out to word to check spelling. It sucks.”
Dude, just turn on the Spelling Checker in Firefox in Tools–>Advanced.
Silly, silly, silly.
That´s like bragging that Ferrari has 66% of the car market over $350,000. That doesn´t mean it sells a lot of them.
How many companies are making computers that cost over $1,000? Most computers sell for under $1,000 (except Apple.)
Here´s a new bit of info – in Apple Stores Apple sells 100% of all computers sold in the Apple Stores! Am I impressed?
the other Mark is pretty much on the nose, LiM is pretty much delusional. Maybe. The truth is most Macs are sold a) in retail b) to consumers. If Macs are up to 14% of the overall US market (big CHEER) then they get to maybe 50% of the US consumer market right there. Nearly all Dells and a huge percentage of HPs are bought on-line or over the phone by procurement types who never see but a few of them. So that’s a)not retail AND b) not consumers.
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Oh … and most of those cost less than $1,000!
All that ‘sober talk’ aside, it sounds like Apple is doing a great job of selling Macs. Much better than the PC guys are doing at selling Windows boxes. This is great to hear and I hope to hear more of it. But I seriously doubt Apple Retail Stores will ever sell over 100% Macs.
@critic
On the business side, I see your point. On the personal side, I wonder how much the sub $1000 folks like their PCs. Adequate can become antiquated in a hurry.
Just to play devil’s advocate…
Hasn’t the price of PC’s in general declined from over $1,000 to under $1,000 over the past five years, while the price of the Macs have stayed constant. Not saying anything bad about the Mac, as an Apple shareholder, I am happy that they keep the margin up. But statics can be twisted to suit the need.
@ElderNorm
“I love this Apple spell checker in Anything you do thing. I use firefox on the pc and I have to keep jumping out to word to check spelling. It sucks.”
Time to upgrade your copy of Firefox, all versions have done that for a long time now. I wonder if you will love the feature now that you realise every computer can do it?
What this really shows is how important it is that Apple get a couple more sub-$1000 systems. Something like a Mac Mini Pro that has a couple PCI-Express slots for expansion, user accessible DIMM slots (even if there are only two), and a socketed Core Duo CPU for upgradeability. Something like the Psystar but not a complete POS.
Really, they only have three models. The low-end, completely locked-in Mini, the mid-range, built-in LCD iMac, also somewhat locked in, as well as the ultra expandable and ultimately VERY expensive Mac Pro. There really feels like there’s a HUGE gulf between the Mini and Pro that really needs filling. And fast.
MDN Magic Word: Products. As in, Apple needs some more diverse products.
nonarKitten, it would certainly be possible to design a Mac midi that would sell for about as much as an iMac while being a bit more powerful and a LOT more configurable – a smaller tower case – but note the price. No screen included, a pair of Core 2 Duos (or one quad?) and room for an extra drive and some serious RAM. It would work for me. But … it would still cost twice as much as a Mac mini, or half as much as the Pro. In neither case would it drop below $1,000 – not unless you configured it as a stripper.