Don Reisinger blogs for CNET, “While Vista was originally touted by Microsoft as the operating system savior we’ve all been waiting for…”
MacDailyNews Take: We and about 25 million other Mac users certainly weren’t waiting for it – except perhaps for a few laughs; we’ve had the world’s most advanced operating system for many years now.
Resinger continues, “…it has turned out to be one of the biggest blunders in technology. With a host of issues that are inexcusable and features that are taken from the Mac OS X and Linux playbook, Microsoft has once again lost sight of what we really want.”
MacDailyNews Take: What you really want is a Mac, even if you don’t know it, yet.
Resinger continues, “The first indication that Microsoft should abandon Vista is its poor sales figures. According to a recent report titled “Windows Vista Still Underperforming in U.S. Retail” from NPD, Vista sales are significantly behind XP sales during its early days. Even worse for Redmond, some are reverting to XP, citing issues with compatibility and overall design. And if that wasn’t enough, Macs continue to surge and with the impending release of Leopard, Microsoft may be in for a rough holiday season.”
Resinger writes, “With each passing day, it’s becoming blatantly clear that Microsoft released Vista too early…”
MacDailyNews Take: Too early?! Years of delays and you waited for what? A chrome-plated turd.
Resinger continues, “…and the company’s continual mistakes and promises that can’t be kept are further annoying the Windows faithful.”
MacDailyNews Take: The only “Windows faithful” are those that haven’t used a Mac.
Resinger continues, “Much talk has been given to Service Pack 1 and how this update should address many of the issues users have with Vista, but I simply don’t agree. Will SP1 eliminate the ridiculous Microsoft licensing schemes? Will SP1 drop the price on the higher-end versions? Will SP1 eliminate the need for users to buy a new computer just to use the faulty OS?”
MacDailyNews Take: No. No. And no.
Resinger continues, “SP1 will do nothing but fix the holes and issues we currently know about and create even more. As we all know from the days of Windows ME and even XP, Microsoft is not the best company at finding and addressing security issues, and chances are, Vista will be no different.”
Resinger writes, “One significant problem that I have with Vista is its inclusion of new DRM… we’re not even allowed to backup our favorite movies? Come on.”
MacDailyNews Take: Yes, come on. Take the red pill, awaken, and Get a Mac.
Resinger continues, “I also find it interesting that Microsoft decided to take the user access control concept from Mac OS X and make it much worse… Never before have I seen such an abysmal start to an operating system release… The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft must realize that. With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around. If Microsoft continues down this path, it will be Vista that will bring the software giant to its knees–not Bill Gates’ departure.”
“As a daily user of Mac OS X, Ubuntu and Vista, I’m keenly aware of what works and what doesn’t. Mac and Linux work,” Resinger writes. “The time is up. Microsoft must abandon Vista and move on.”
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: There’s yet another nice Vista review. Window-only sufferers who’ve arrived here looking for Vista news: The news is grim. When you finally tire of trying to make your upside-down and backwards fake Macs work, Apple is waiting for you with the real thing. Yes, we’re biased. And we’re also right. We’ve used both Macs and Windows PCs quite recently, have you?
All I can say and I deal with this THING they call a OS…
It should be called: ME II
Move on to where exactly? Microsoft doesn’t have many (if any) real options there…
With Windows losing steam and Office under increasing competition, the only two revenue generators are beginning to stutter, and everything else at Microsoft is only dead weight.
Happy landing, MS, if you can actually find a landing strip within gliding range…!
I sat down in front of Windows VISTA to spend my first day with it last week.
I do not have the words to express how awful an experience this was. All of the people who build and maintain Macintosh OS X should be profoundly insulted anytime any idiot takes it upon themselves to compare VISTA to Mac OS X.
The simplest of tasks such as getting the computer connected to the network were obscured and obfuscated by so much pure unadulterated crap that it took forever to accomplish these tasks.
I shouldn’t be answering questions about VPNs and PPPoE, just to plug the cable in and see if the machine gets an IP address.
The user wanted to adjust the monitor and we eventually wound up in some nutty NVIDIA control panel that managed to turn the monitor completely black. It took at least 30 minutes to recover from that.
To say that I am disappointed is a horrible understatement. All the people who compared VISTA to the Mac clearly have never used Mac OS X and have no &*&^&^ idea what the hell they are talking about.
Nightstar: It should be called: ME II
Hey, they’ve never released anything that wasn’t a “Mee too!” product anyway…!
Where the Hell is “Tang’s” reaction to all this? (Not that it really matters, for he/she is clearly a Mac user with polyps.)
Microsoft can’t dump Vista – there’s nothing to fall back on. Unless Microsoft has been developing the Vista successor alongside of Vista and no one leaked the info, there’s no hope.
Microsoft would have to philosophically change and dump all of the legacy support for DOS, Win 3.1, etc. and start anew. Ain’t gonna happen, not with Microsoft so utterly dependent upon corporate IT departments buying millions of PCs every year to run the same old software.
The main problem with Vista is that it is dragging all this legacy code from Windows NT, 95, probably Windows 3 and DOS too.
The best option for Microsoft would be to start working on creating a modern OS, from scratch, ditching all that legacy baggage, and replacing that whole DLL system with something less retarded.
I doubt Microsoft is competent enough to do this, or even understand why this is imperative.
ZT’s evil twin here!
Without Vista, MAC os X would look like hell. See, next to Vista, ANYthing’s gotta look better.
My Perfume, Your Stink !
ZT’s evil twin here!
Without Vista, MAC os X would look like hell. See, next to Vista, ANYthing’s gotta look better.
My Perfume, Your Stink !
“What you really want is a Mac, even if you don’t know it, yet.”
Amen, and I might add “What you really need is a Mac, even if you don’t know it, yet.”
lbuschjr, you beat me to that point
Article like this make me happy i switched to the Mac instead of staying with windoze
MW: window – ’nuff said.
I find it endlessly amusing/saddening that there will be more versions of Office for Mac OS X than there will be of OS X.
@Tune Zang.
Indeed. We NEED M$ to continue doing what they’re doing. Without Windows’ horrific issues, we might all forget just how good the Mac really is. In fact every day, Windows makes me thankful that I get to use a Mac at home. Keep it up M$! Pleeeease keep doing what you’re doing… whatever it is!
Microsoft must abandon the Windows Vista albatross
And Apple needs to abandon the glossy only option.
Choice Apple, Choice.
someone call meee?
I lov you long time, ten dollar.
Vista is not designed for people to use. It is designed for Corporate IT departments and vast, vast arrays of terminals for employees to work on Office. Microsoft’s customers could care less that it is intuitive. As long as it can handle getting your work to you as cheaply as possible, that is the true goals of corporate IT, thus the true goals of Microsoft and Vista. You know, it would probably be a much better tool, if they just focused on that side of their business and ignored the consumer side of PCs.
I’m not sure Vista’s even made for them. I think Vista is the save-our-ass version of what Longhorn was supposed to be. All teh Shiny® is an attempt to cover their tracks.
Its the culmination of six years of failure. Let’s chrome the sucker!
I do expect that MS may get some things right in the next version, whenever that comes out. By that time, I think they have an excuse to change direction. Just expect a 50GB disk that contains all past versions of windows and a quick little control program that will allow for startup of the right lil’ bits. It’ll be a testament to more-is-more. People will eat it up. And choke.
Hmmmm, I seem to remember you expressing a lot of grief towards Apple products and how the company is run, in the past. But hey, your opinion is your. No issue.
But, “I sat down in front of Windows VISTA to spend my first day with it last week.”
So, now consider if you have to live with VIsta and all its problems for say, 6 months. Then you get to go back to using a Mac. Just how bad would the Apple hardware and software be then???
That is where most of us are coming from. We have to or had to use PCs with XP or Vista and it sucked. So when there is some minor issue with Apple hardware or their practices, its no big deal to us. LOL
We are not really fanboys, just intelligent computer users who have seen “the dark side” and are just happier here in the light.
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I tried to connect to a VPN using Vista. It didn’t work. Vista gave me an error message that said, among other things, that I should make sure the computer was on!
So I connected to the Microsoft-based VPN with a Mac.
Albatross!!
albatross!
wheres john cleese when you need him?
Apple should ask pc users to trade their Windows Vista disks for a $200 Rebate in your next Imac with Leopard installed.
Or must create Mac OS X 10.5 Lite a short time System that can be installed in PCs running Windows to give Windows users a glance of what Apple has under sleeves.
@Nightstar
ME II ha ha, priceless, priceless
R:
How could it be a 50GB disk to install ME III?
MS supports that rotten bastard child HD-DVD. What do those disks top out at… 20GB?
Blu-ray supports 50GB disks. THey’ve even tested 200GB disks.
Hopefully HD-DVD will be dead and gone before Vis2 comes out.
Hell, given Microsoft’s track record, maybe we’ll ALL be dead by then.
what happened to the WOW starts now? I guess it’s more of a WOW this f’en BLOWS
MDN, that was some great stuff, the old stuff!
Microsoft can’t dump Vista – there’s nothing to fall back on.
XP. MS needs to announce (and admit) that Vista is a failure, kill it, and go straight back to XP.
MS also needs to look at New Coke for the standard on how to handle a high-profile bomb. Of course admitting failure embarrassed and hurt Coke. But it hurt a lot less than hanging onto a debacle.
Unless Microsoft has been developing the Vista successor alongside of Vista and no one leaked the info, there’s no hope.
MS can’t do anything in secret. The moment someone starts whiteboarding the next Windows (if there ever is one), the industry will know.
One good think about not working in support any more: I no longer have to use Vista.
New Vista Version Coming!
I told the marketing folk long ago that Vista needed to have five versions not four! But, being the easy-going, no-waves guy I am I let it slide, I let the “experts” have their way.
RESULTS:
Anemic, sluggish, weak, poohpooh sales!
I will no longer sit by and let this continue! Per my executive order 31148V.101 we will add to the Vista line-up – “Vista 2X Super Ultra Turbo-Ultimate”. SUTU (as I call it) will include 33% of all of the modern architecture features that we originally promised for Longhorn 3 years ago but dropped from the final version.
“Vista 2X Super Ultra Turbo-Ultimate” SUTU includes:
Dynamic Core Desktop Acceleration – DCDA
LiveTime Animotron Technology – LtAM
Windows Interscope Code Manager – WICM
The zLife Suite of applications:
StudioBand – Record up to 4 tracks of music.
zPicture – Your JPG photo manager
zWeb – Create Beautiful text webpages
zMelodies – A new skin for Mediaplayer making it a zApp
zFilm – Video editing for any WMV file
All of this Tech-goodness for just $699!
….. and it comes in a RED box.
I have to second MacMania’s opinion. MDN, you are in fine form today. It is a form of restoration and stress relief for me to read such articulate, informed and acid-tongued analyses of the integrity-barren logical diarrhoea that is much of mainstream media these days. Keep ’em coming!
There’s always Windows 7 (Vienna) several years from now.
“Bill Gates, in an interview with Newsweek, also suggested that the next version of Windows would ‘be more user-centric.'”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7
Ahhh, user-centric. The user. Interesting.
Anyone else disgusted by MDN advertising for Microsoft? Get those banners out of here. Ugh.
> Years of delays and you waited for what? A chrome-plated turd.
Actually, Vista was cobble together in about 18 months. The rest of the time was spent on “Longhorn” which was essentially cancelled. Vista is Windows XP with a superficial makeover. And it was rushed to market because another delay would have been unthinkable. Ironically, Vista’s deficiencies are what allowed Apple the latitude to delay Leopard to October.
News Flash:
MS in the wake of VIsta is taking advantage of it’s licensing agreement with Novell. The next version of Windows will be based on Open Source SuSE Linux with the old 32-Bit API’s included (ala Wine).
The new Windows version will be… Windux
The new catch phrase/slogan for the marketing campaign:
Windux: We’ll wipe your hard drive clean!
Ugh, Ballmer, stop trying so hard. Maybe Vista can also carbon date your sense of humor.
It is all part of the plan, relax. by releasing the Vista system to the public as unknowing beta testers, this gave Microsoft an excellent opportunity to evaluate it in real IT world. It is only a matter of time.
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Everything has it’s own place in the IT world. Corporate won’t touch OS X because they can’t run on Cicso or M$ networks. I use Windows at work and OS X at home. Been a Mac boy since System 6.07 (remember that one people?!?) And we need UNIX, Linux and even RedHat to keep choice. People power will decided the winner, and so far I have kept my promise to Steve, I switched 4 window users to the mac now. How many have you switched, huh?
Thats where the war will be won!
Vista Melisata
Here is a storie for you people,
Another example of MS and they way they do business, and save money.
In NZ we have a great city with many large corporate buildings.
One building at bottom of town, is an old building which use to belong to a radio broadcasting company, is is not very nice it is very square and boring and is also very dark.
No modern self respecting business would want to make this there Head quarters f and advertise that fact,.
Well a few years ago there where changes made to it, Windows where changed to bigger mirror glass and the outside painted a light color, pink type colour.
and then when it was nearly finished, a Big sign was placed
“MS corportation”
I though it was sad that they could not get a nice building and cleaned up this old one, being such a big company.
It looked on the surface somewhat respectable but was a bit boring, unlike the IBM, Novell, and others on simons Street.
sad huh,
Also for the mac people: The old saying for anyone making a house ‘ There is a saying. “measure twice cut once”.
I am sure we can see this analogy, for MS.
A@iphonewebmail.com
Nothing is more pathetic than the “Vista is too early” wail. Would Microsoft have backed on the horrific interface changes? Would they have forced 64 bit compatibility to move PC manufacturers into the 2000s? Would they have completely re-written the dog shit slow video system that requires hundreds of megs of RAM to decently run? Would they have sandboxed users and fixed the Registry?
We know what the answers to those questions are. Why don’t the tech pundits?
How many years of delays and cost overruns did it take to get some paint and a new sign on that obsolete old building?
I suppose there were some provisions for a coal boiler and direct-current lighting that had to be kept, just in case…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7
Did anybody read that??
It’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic. MS has completely lost ALL sense of reality.
Heh we gotta love MS’s Ben Fathi’s own description of Windows 7: “I don’t know what it is”
Priceless is Gate’s vision of people being able to access their favorites and fonts from a public kiosk (crickets chirping…). Why is that a killer app, and why would it take another death-marched OS to implement it?
Also, “We’ll make it so that a lot of the high-level graphics will be just built into the operating system.” Mr. Gates, how does that differ from what Apple had in the 1980’s?
Seriously, everyone at MS should retire, and enjoy a nice Office-funded pension.
the only and ONLY thing i like about microsoft…
is halo!
“Bill Gates, in an interview with Newsweek, also suggested that the next version of Windows would ‘be more user-centric.'”
umm, hasn’t he said that about EVERY version of windows?
and how is that working out BTW?
….. and it comes in a RED box….
with a WHITE CROSS in the middle.
SYMBOLIZING – help.
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I read it.
“We’ll make it so that a lot of the high-level graphics will be just built into the operating system.”
OOOOh – lets copy Apples CORE GRAPHICS.
REDMOND continues to INNOVATE.
Does Vista use that gawd awful stupid registry like XP, ME, etc. has? Every time I run a reg cleanup program I’m amazed at the crap that is found. I only use XP cause I have to at work. Thought about putting XP on my Mac but I’m afraid – very very afraid.
You bet yer sweet ass it is.
Congratulations _!_?_…good job
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I don’t get it! I have a Mac, but I also have a Windows computer to use with certain software that only runs under Windows. I have NO problems with Vista. All my old equipment works fine on it. Never had a problem with a virus using XP or Vista. Never had malware take over my computer with any edition of Windows. My Windows machines are reliable and “they just work”.
Mac Daily New is losing its credibility with its constant harping about Windows. Like a 14 year old Jr. High kid who has to try and be a big man by putting down others. It’s time to grow up.
“Microsoft must abandon the Windows Vista albatross”
How about saying this:
“Microsoft must abandon Windows”
That would work just as well.
Big feature in Windows 7? — Better support for tablets!
You go Billy Boy — keep pushing those tablet PCs at us!
“Students won’t need textbooks; they can just use these tablet devices.”
Of course, by 2010 and Windows 7, iPhone will be on version 6. No need for tablet PCs. But good luck with that guys.
….
Like a 14 year old Jr. High kid who has to try and be a big man by putting down others. It’s time to grow up. … not a 15 year o
LOL
poor josh.
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Tablet PCS..
mmm can we get rid of this “start tree”
This is a primative and outdated idea “Gates”
Can you believe in 2007 we are even talking about these things,
Just Die MS now, We have had enough GOOOOO away.
PS: Anyone got a JOB in USA for an UI designer and inventor
I will make you heaps for real!
@ Josh
I don’t get it! I have a Mac, but I also have a Windows computer to use with certain software that only runs under Windows. I have NO problems with Vista. All my old equipment works fine on it.
Your analysis is most likely correct. People who actually work for a living realize that large corporations can not suddenly toss out all of their hardware, software, and custom built applications. iWork is no Office and anyone who suggests that it is is either a teenager or detached from reality.
There are no Mac analogs for important vertical business applications (Project Management, Accounting, Estimating, CAD/CAM, not to mention the millions of Apps written in Visual with an access backend) . Apple’s hardware limited OS forces users to use Apple’s limited hardware which doesn’t offer business user much of a choice.
I bring my Dell laptop home when to use when I want to bring my work home with me, otherwise I use one of my Macs for my own enjoyment. Here at MDN, that makes me a “troll”….. The little fanboys here don’t understand business or the software needs of business.
Truth be told, I would say the majority of them are snot nosed little 14 year olds…
Shoeman your a troll Go away with your autocad
and Acounting Virtically
WindowsTroll, Your must be a snotty 40 old,
anyway who cares, so whats your problem?
… you have to use your Dell to do you access db.
LOL
… autocad
and Accounting Vertically..
I say, let it be. What MS is doing is good news for Apple.
Long live Steve Balmer. We welcome the Zune, Vista etc…It just makes Apple look even better.
Is anybody here actually starting to feel sorry for Microsoft?
Me neither.
Is anybody here getting sick of kicking them when they’re down?
Nah, for some reason it just never gets old. F*^k ’em.
Peace.
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@awesome
WindowsTroll, Your must be a snotty 40 old,
anyway who cares, so whats your problem?
… you have to use your Dell to do you access db.
Obviously Mr. Awesome you and the folks here don’t care if they have marketable skills. It’s pretty obvious you never mastered 4th grade English (“your autocad” and “Acounting Virtically”)
But YOU’RE Somebody now. I assume most of the posters here are 8th grade pussies who get the shit kicked out of themselves daily in school. But at MDN, they are “Mac Experts” and “Big Time Investors”….. For the 1st time in their miserable existance, They’re SOMEBODY!!!!
Please continue with you’re humorous tirades. I know it helps you forget that you are the class wimp (I would call you the class geek, but it is obvious by you’re writings that you’re not very intelligent).
Congratulations. For a few hours a day you can transform yourself from the Class Pussy to “Awesome – The iLife Expert”…
It sucks to be you…
Oh and Mr. Awesome…
I do remember the “Stupid kids” when I was in Junior High. Don’t worry, there’s still hope for you. Why not attend Vo-Tech where you can learn to stock grocery store shelves the rest of your life…
Don’t worry, you can still come here to MDN and pretend that you are “Awesome – The Mac Expert”!!!!!!!
dude shoeman for start you seem upset?
whats happened who was mean?
tell me .. let it out.
Do you feel devalued here, you seem OK don’t take it so personally man.
PS: Geeks as class nerds are cool I think.
So ”your point without your attacks ..is PCs have some software and macs don’t and that will take time to change ..”‘
Well we all know this .. .(parallels)..
“Here at MDN, that makes me a “troll”…..”
No, that does not make you a troll.
“The little fanboys here don’t understand business or the software needs of business.”
THAT makes you a troll.
“For the 1st time in their miserable existance, They’re SOMEBODY!!!!”
And you stop by to be King of the Nobodies. The rest of your day must just be outstanding.
What a sad attitude,
Mr Showman, what your problem man.
I don’t care if that was true I come here, when not packing shelfs, What is the shame in that?
Why not debate the subject thane each others character Idont thing that is productive or fun or intelligent.
and gee , your swearing and saying I’m the Dumb one, dude, comon.
@Chrissy Know it all
And you stop by to be King of the Nobodies. The rest of your day must just be outstanding.
No, I stop here because I discovered a website called Mac Daily “News”…… As a relatively new Mac user, I have an interest in what is happening on the platform. Unfortunately, there is little here to do with “News”…. It’s a bunch of fanboy and fangirl posts bashing ANYONE or ANYTHING that isn’t Apple….. This is childish at best or grossly uninformed at worst.
The rest of the day, I have a real career. Those predicting Macs will soon take over the corporate world have little or no idea how business is conducted. Yet with so little knowledge they present themselves as experts.
Hey Chrissy, do you also own 15,000-30,000 shares of AAPL (like everyone else here) that you bought for $13 a share!!!!
Mac Experts and World Class Investors flood MDN.
“I don’t care if that was true I come here, when not packing shelfs, What is the shame in that?
Why not debate the subject thane each others character Idont thing that is productive or fun or intelligent.”
Based on the quote above it is obvious that being a Mac Expert and World Class Investor on MDN requires only about 3rd grade reading and writing skills…
Microsoft does actually have a good operating-system: it’s called Windows 2003 Server (which is the codebase for Vista).
Fortunately (for those interested in the long-term progress of mankind), they don’t market it as a desktop-OS.
But it’s hardware-requirements are much less than those of Vista, and it’s very stable.
The downside is that you need to have server-version of anti-virus software and some other tools.
Of course, one could just as well buy a Mac and stop worrying about all the Windows-BS.
Shoe shoe shoe.
Oh deah, You only need 3rd grade english to invest that is correct, you only need to sign the form to buy shares so as long as you can sign a form.
and if your only new to macs why you say we don’t know them.. I worked for Apple.
Chrissy babe, Chrissy Hey I still love you.
PS: Rainer yes this is true. I agree, don’t tell to many people windows 2003 is stable and fast. What is happening there
>www.iphonewebmail.com
For you “business” people defending msofts monopoly on software….I say this… open excel 2007 and have it multiply 850*77.1. Then come back and give use msofts answer to that equation. QA is not what Msoft is about! Microsoft is about sales volume and monopoly status. They could give a rats ars about your company or your business. I program .Net for a living because the clients I have are all tied in windows….I make a mint on the fact that Msoft software is a pile of crap that doesnt work. They call me back over and over to fix things. Its a good living. I use Apple for my own business and for personal use. nuff said!
MDN is wrong, Mac envy is one of Vista’s problems. If Windows users wanted OS X, they’ll buy the real thing. Windows users want, more than anything, legacy compatibility.
People use Window to NOT be on the bleeding edge. The part of the mac MS should have been trying to emulate wasn’t the graphics flourishes–but the “it just works” part. On Windows, what improvements do I want to XP. Speed, speed, and more speed.
The fact that most users just take whatever OS comes on the hardware is covering up the fact that this is MS’ New Coke (which, to complete the parallel, was trying to win blind taste tests–that is, be more like Pepsi…)
Peoeple, Comon, PLEASE!!!!
we are here for 80 years on Earth comon think about it.
SHOEman fuckOFF human junk!
@Josh
You don’t know the full story. I have a different story. I work for a company and I’m in charge of there software product that compliments another product (I can’t say what it is for contractual reasons). This runs on windows and it reliant on 3rd part drivers for various 3rd party products.
We (our company that is) want to use Vista instead on XP, but we can’t because all the drivers for our 3rd party product don’t install under Vista. The content of the dll doesn’t need to change it’s just the installer just won’t install on Vista.
As Vista is to become standard in Jan 2008 we’re screwed and have to stay with XP.
Now it’s Micro$oft fault for this mess. They need to engineer there new products to support this transition. But they are lazy/ignorant or just don’t give a sh*t. Unlike Apple, MS don’t take ownership of there os. They needed too do that years ago and they failed..
Btw I use Vista on a daily basis and can testify that it’s
1) Ugly.
2) Slow.
3) Claustrophobic.
4) Unstable.
5) Boring.
6) A rip off of Mac Os X.
7) Patronizing.
…..and this is th most important one
8) Unnecessary. – It achieves nothing and it’s existence is pointless for the average user.
Peace.
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“No. No. And No.”
Hehehehahahayukyuk.
@Awesome
I worked for Apple.
LOL!!! Sure ya did kid. I’m sure Steve really likes morons like you who can’t even read and write….
I’m sure you work though. Can I have some fries with that???? LOL!!!!!
Awesome – You are the man. 3rd Grade Dropout who flips burgers at McDonald’s during the day, and Internet Big Wig and Multimillion dollar investor on Steve Jack’s MDN during the night! LOL
Big Time!
LOL!
All this silliness and angst brought in by this oaf called Shoeman and we overlooked the fact that sputnik is back!
Bring back some sputnik style to the opposing arguments and let’s consign the latest examples llike Shoeman Ballmer and ZT to the trash…
Oh Shoe
Do you live in one? LOL …….Why not come over and cook us some burgers. Mc donald sounds nice,
Well I dont spell correct here you are right,
You know I take it as a compliment when people say I didn’t work for them, its just a company.
but the point was that you don’t know macs and disputed our knowledge and may of us including myself have years of experience with them.
Lets just be friends Huh
So what do you do for a job?
So what do you do for a job?
As I mentioned MANY times, I am an engineering Planner/Scheduler and am tied to Primavera software – both version 3.1 for Windows and Enterprise e/c 5.0.
There are NO analogs to it in the Mac world. I make quite a good living at it which is why I laugh when i read the Macheads here post their nonsense “Who wants crappy Windows on a Mac”… “Who would use a junky Dell”…..
Statements like those above (which are posted daily here at MDN) are either childish or ignorant. Most of the engineering (and industrial construction) world operates on vertical software solutions which (again I mention) there are no analogs to in the Mac World. Yet for whatever reason, the morons here simply can’t understand that. I should throw my 100K+ a year job away and do something else where I can use a Mac (and wait for the world to catch up I suppose).. Sorry, I am 50 years old, have 2 kids in College and not ready to give up my living just so I can be a “cool” Mac Guy…
Windows is a necessary evil, at least in my world. It is required. And although you can’t see it, it is that way in most of the world.
“Who wants crappy Windows” is a statement by very uninformed or ignorant people.
Peace Shoe
Peace shoe, We cool, don’t want to abuse each other all day huh?
I did use to flip burgers your right, and only worked in the Technical Support, cue for them.
Tell us for reall what u do for a job?
“MacDailyNews Take: Too early?! Years of delays and you waited for what? A chrome-plated turd.”
Yet more copies of Vista are already in use than there are users of all versions of Mac OS X ever sold.
If Vista is a commercial failure based on surpassing the Mac with less than 1 year of sales, Mac OS X must be a colossal commercial failure based on decades of trying and failing.
Please stop referring to it as Vista. That’s not its name.
We must call things by their real names.
LONGHORN.
Things that Leopards eat.
“If Vista is a commercial failure based on surpassing the Mac with less than 1 year of sales, Mac OS X must be a colossal commercial failure based on decades of trying and failing.”
Remember what you typed, when you buy and love your Macintosh in the not too distant future.
Even if you work for Microsoft you will buy a Macintosh sooner or later (because you will be out of a job when they start downsizing).
Cool Shoeman, It sounds like a great job,
thanks for replying.
Yes many vertical market software is not on macs.
Windows will not go away for a long time; I think the reason is that heaps of these third party programs run on Windows. Actually the business of HP, IBM and Windows Prop-apps is fine and they they will not disappear nor should they.
Its the same with electronic testing I use to program radio with pcs and all early software was dos. Only as Windows licensed the system to many companies.
Apple are a home use machine; Apple will need to licence there OS for self sustained growth.
Many people see MS tactics as the worst part, it seems to limit choice. I just want people to make informed decisions based on what they think and need and not pushed into something.
It is not a simple task to move into business for Apple, I know this is a hard road. I have never forgiven MS for the theft of apple systems.
“Windows is a necessary evil, at least in my world. It is required. And although you can’t see it, it is that way in most of the world.”
Nobody said you have to use it beyond whatever niche software you are using. Parallels runs FINE on OS X.
So, the best solution is to get a Mac, run OS X, and then install Windows ME or whatever (just do not buy or support Vista) and QUARANTINE your legacy software and legacy OS inside Parallels (or Fusion).
That is the best solution. It is like running those 8-bit home computer emulators inside a box, or running Java on any platform. It works.
Then you can use OS X for everything else.
Using Windows as the main OS is *really* the way of the ignorant or misinformed.
“iWork is no Office and anyone who suggests that it is is either a teenager or detached from reality.”
Fine. Use NeoOffice. Easy. Free. Powerful.
MS Office? Headache. Pricey. Pointless.
thepumpboy
Everything has it’s own place in the IT world. Corporate won’t touch OS X because they can’t run on Cicso or M$ networks.
OSX can’t run on Cisco or MS networks? Since when? OSX has ISO standard TCP/IP v4 and v6 stacks for its default networking. What else is needed to run on a typical Cisco network exactly? A VPN client? Check. A built in SSH client (which Windows doesn’t have)? Check. It also snaps into Active Directory, includes Kerberos authentication and uses SAMBA for file and printer sharing. I’ve used it myself hundreds of times in Windows environments and had no issues whatsoever. So what exactly are you describing when you say it doesn’t work?
…..but what would I know eh? Not like I’m a network guy with well over a decade’s experience or anything….
..Oh yeah, ACTUALLY I AM!!!!
@Dave H: *ahem* I believe the proper response at this point is “Boo-ya!”
@Shoedouche: And honestly, Shoe, if we accept your premise that most of the users here are snot-nosed 14-year-olds, then can we infer based on your behavior thus far that you frequently argue with said 14-year-olds? What I’m asking is, do you also spend your weekends hanging out at the local mall’s food court getting into the verbal fisticuffs with those dang skate punks, what with their “Hot Topic” and “the video games”?
Just curious.
So, the best solution is to get a Mac, run OS X, and then install Windows ME or whatever (just do not buy or support Vista) and QUARANTINE your legacy software and legacy OS inside Parallels (or Fusion).
Not for me… I have a company issued Dell Laptop, and I have an old beat up homebuilt 1.2 Gig Pentium III. I use those 2 for my “work” related things. I want my Macs Pure….
The reason I switched in the 1st place was to get away from spyware…
The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft must realize that. With Mac OS X hot on its tail, Vista is simply not capable of competing at an OS level with some of the best software around.
I wondered if I had read this right! Who is behind who’s tail? as far as I can tell, Tiger is so far ahead of Vista that all that Vista users can see is the tip of the Tigers tail! When Leopard turns up, M$ & Vista will be quakeing in their boots because Leopards by nature will occassionally ambush their prey from the top of a tree branch and then hoist their catch up the tree so that opportunistic scavengers cannot steal a single morsel of it.
The scavenger that is M$ will not find a morsel to copy & in fact will have to watch out they don’t end up a tree as the Leopards dinner!!!
This is one occassion that I have to admit that the Leopard will not need to Drink Camel’s Milk
Apple sholud release a second version of ipod hi-fi but with new docks for the new ipods…GET IT APPLE!!!!
“My Windows machines are reliable and “they just work”.”
Speak for yourself.
A few months ago I had to reinstall Windows. Last week I tried to install Cakewalk. Midway it stopped – blue screen of death and rebooted. I can’t remove the partial installation. I can’t overwrite it. My only option is to reinstall Windows and all my apps. I have done this so many times and enough is enough. I am getting a MAC. Had a look at the GarageBand demo and couldn’t believe how easy it is. Can’t wait.
I do have a complaint for MDN. Site loads slowly – suggest you load contents first before adverts.
re: the only and ONLY thing i like about microsoft…
is halo!
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And even that they didnt develop themselves!
Its was developed by Bungie, who were one of the best games developers for the mac platform until Redmond threw them a large check for the company.
LOL – without Bungie Halo would never have been developed.
Ironic isnt it that all of M$ ‘innovations’ are from companies that they have bought and not developed inhouse.
Just goes to show that if you have a big enough chequebook you too can say you have ‘innovated’.
MDN must abandon the Kool Aid albatross.
Just my $0.02
@Office apps:
Use NeoOffice. Easy. Free. Powerful.
And rubbish. Surely you’re not serious? There are some areas in which open source software can’t compete (yet).
I didn’t know the Pope was so into computers.
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Awesome – You are the man. 3rd Grade Dropout who flips burgers at McDonald’s during the day, and Internet Big Wig and Multimillion dollar investor on Steve Jack’s MDN during the night! LOL
Dear Shoeman, i would rather hang out with a burger flipper then your tightwad ass any day.
And, most of the world uses LINUX. BTW..
@Josh:
You must be a very lucky man having no problems whatsoever with Vista. As an IT-student, I had to buy a new laptop and try finding one without Vista. After three weeks, the BSOD-count is already at five, simply because I followed one of the options Vista had proposed after not finding any wireless networks. And considering the cost of losing my waranty, I cannot dump Vista for XP as I should or Linux as I’d love to.
Also, networking really sucks on Vista. It took me about an hour to set up a simple LAN with an XP laptop.
But at the end of the day, at least I’ve got a Mac at home, so at least I can get some schoolwork done
MW: probably as in “Vista is probably as bad as it can get”
The shareholders are awakening to Ballmer…his days are numbered…just watch and see.
Somebody is gonna get punted for this stagnant 6 year endeavor…and who is directly
first in line?…old monkey baldy, that’s who. Gates was smart to slide out nice and slowly. Ballmer is going to take the hit…the shareholders aren’t going to just sit there.
“The shareholders are awakening to Ballmer . . .”
Imagine rolling over to that face in the morning.
Applause, applause on the MDN comments, esp. the very last one.
“Vista is not designed for users. It is designed for Corporate IT departments…”
Except that it’s giving even corporate IT departments, such as the one I work for, the heebie-jeebies. We will have to set up and maintain a volume license key server. The basic admin tools, like Active Directory or Group Policy, aren’t ready for Vista and don’t seem to work quite right (and apparently won’t be until Windows Server 2008 comes out – thanks, Microsoft!)
Microsoft really blew this release. They managed to make both of their major target markets unhappy. The corporate folks are irritated at the increased hardware and licensing requirements and the half-baked tool support, and the home users are mad that their printer drivers don’t work and their Hi-Def media is all DRMed up.
@ChrissyOne
Working in Windows support was what drove me to the Mac in 1998. Been walking on sunshine ever since.
@Shoeman
Who said “I assume most of the posters here are 8th grade pussies who get the shit kicked out of themselves daily in school.”
Nice try at labeling all of us, but many of us started on DOS crap in the 1980’s and are “Fanboys or girls” for Apple because unlike PC users, we learn from negative feedback that causes pain. And we don’t GO there again. We switch to a good experience.
Even rats in a Skinner Box have their behavior shaped by getting rewarded by a pleasant experience, and seek avoidance for a negative experience. (See I remembered my Psychology course from College in the late ’70’s.) So does that mean PC users are dumber than rats? You decide.
Don’t assume we’re all kids in high school “bagging groceries.” Some of us are also in your age bracket and hold IT jobs at prominent businesses. And we like ripping on Microsoft, the target is just too damn fun and easy to hit, and M$ deserves it for it releasing endless crap.
This is our “home.” If you don’t like the fanboy attitude here there are plenty of other websites out there. Find one.
@Shoeman
I’m a 44 yr old father of 3. Windows user at work, Mac user by choice at home. College educated too. I flipped burgers once though, it’s honorable work. Dug ditches for a while too. Now I work for the IRS. I have a black belt in Karate too. Cuz I hate bullies.
mdn word: late. As in “better than never”
Yep not even zune tang can make a god joke out of a bad one it seems.
yeah MSFT has to re-write everything for multi-thread anyway, i think Leopard is built for it. Soon everything will be quad core, then 8, and eight is likely enough for a while. Apple 8, MSFT 0.
polish a turd, its still a turd.
I use Vista, XP, OS-X and Linux all on different computers. While I do agree that OS-X is currently the only “ready for prime-time” OS out there, I think people are just jumping on the “Hate MS” bandwagon.
I have been using Vista successfully on one of my desktops now for a while, and I haven’t had nearly as many problems as I had with Windows XP. People LOVE to hate Microsoft, and while I generally try to use my linux-box or my Macbook for most things, Vista is not nearly as bad as everyone says it is.
@ Ken
Vista gave me an error message that said, among other things, that I should make sure the computer was on!
Did you screen print that and post it on Flickr? I want to fave it!!
Sorry Shoeman.
Guess again. We’re not all kids here, many of us are middle aged IT’s who’ve been both routes and began on crappy DOS and have seen it all. We’re not kids in high school. So dream on.
We’ve chose our loyalties out of REASON, having lived through this computer revolution. So suck it up Shoeman. We’re proMac with valid, sensible reasons based on experience and logic.
Microsoft has nothing to fall back on?
Well, they could make more Halo 3 for all I care. Give up the OS business and do something you are good at – making a game machine and creating softwares for them.
Do not disillusion yourself with being good at making OS that works. Your first one you bought from someone and named it MS-DOS. Then you practically stole the Mac OS of long ago and created Windows out of it. See, you’ve got nothing original up your sleeve so beat it!
Some people can’t tell the difference between an Albatross and a Goose That Lays Golden Eggs.
apple wont be anything compared to microsoft in the software market as long as they restrict their software for use with only their hardware.
should they decide to release osx for the general pc-market it would probably also not be competative because it’s not yet “advaced” enough to compete with windows.
in this scenario apple will have their limitied market share, and I don’t see the situation change anytime soon.