At the Microsoft’s recent “the Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Global Summit,” a gathering of the company’s top software developers, Microsoft repeatedly proclaimed to their MVPs that they would “win” in search and other aspects of their Windows Live thingamabob.
“‘We’re a two-trick pony, and that’s rare in the history of business. Desktop software was a trick. Server was a trick. Our third trick is trying to do online, and our fourth trick is trying to do consumer electronics,’ Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said during a wide-ranging question-and-answer session with Joss and about 200 Stanford Graduate School of Business students Thursday,” Ryan Blitstein reports for The Mercury News. “‘Google built one very good business. They only have one thing they do. Everything else is sort of cute,’ Ballmer said.” Full article here.
On Friday, former Microsoft technical evangelist and prominent blogger Robert Scoble weighed in, “Microsoft executives are bragging to MVPs that ‘we’re in it to win.’ I don’t think Microsoft is. The words are empty. Microsoft’s Internet execution sucks (on whole). Its search sucks. Its advertising sucks… If that’s ‘in it to win’ then I don’t get it.”
Scoble writes, “Microsoft isn’t going away. Don’t get me wrong. They have record profits, record sales, all that. But on the Internet? Come on. This isn’t winning. Microsoft: stop the talk. Ship a better search, a better advertising system than Google, a better hosting service than Amazon, a better cross-platform Web development ecosystem than Adobe, and get some services out there that are innovative…”
“Oh, and Ballmer, if I ran Google your speech at Stanford yesterday would be plastered on every door on every campus Google has. Why? It’ll motivate Google employees the same way a coach will motivate an opposing team during the Superbowl by taking trash in the press. You’re up against a formidable competitor and one you’ve never seen before that has some real, significant weapons that you can’t deal with,” Scoble writes.
Scoble writes, “This isn’t Netscape you’re talking trash to, Steve. Have you really studied Google? It doesn’t sound like you have. Again, Microsofties, you’d be better served not to talk trash until you have something YOU CAN SHIP!”
Full article here.
[Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader “pogo” for the heads up.]
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Nuff said.
Yikes! And he was a an evangelist for them??
MW: bill….i kid you not
OMG! Ballmer – you going to take that? He just ripped you a new one! Don’t just stand there like a monkey boy … do something … time to get up and dance! Developers! Developers!
Scoble sucks less then he did yesterday. But he still – IMO – sucks. Microsoft isn’t about to embrace meritocracy, integrity or competition without gaming the playing field. It is easier for your grandma to install and use Linux than for Microsoft to stop being evil.
Apple’s a 4 trick pony – computers, iPods, Apple TV, iPhone.
LOL!
Balmer takes it up he ass!
Every comment I agree with, Microsoft is a dinosaur from the silicon valley age of IT, they dont innovate, they dont put customers first – all they do is copy the competition.
If Micosoft didnt have it’s billions of cash reserves it would have folded years ago.
They dont realise that the golden days of threatening competitors and locking them out of their OS dont work these days.
These days you have 18yr olds setting up software companies that in 10 years time are gonna chew up Microsoft and spit them out.
Microsoft cannot compete anymore, they spend $billions and 6 years ‘innovating’ their new OS only for it to be greeted by the world as an inferior OS X ripoff.
Dell and other computer sellers are considering selling other OS’s installed on computers because no one wants to ‘upgrade’ to Vista, businesses wont touch Vista with a barge pole as nothing works on it and Apple is 35yrs infront of Microsoft.
Sounds to me like a company in deep shit.
Apple’s pony food:
enjoyable software that ties all together
Ha! Don’t make me laugh you Mac snobs! …
You just don’t get it do you …? It’s all about choice … do you hear me?
Choice … yeah that’s right … something you guys wouldn’t know anything about.
I can “choose” anything I want as long as my daddy Mr MicroSoft makes it or lets me use it … so there! I’ve got choice coming out my rear end!
My daddy is a good guy .. he would never hurt me or lie to me … I believe everything he says because he’s my daddy and daddy is the best.
He only wants the best for me … at least that’s what he keeps telling me.
In fact … he said he would destroy, defame, or do anything it takes to get rid of anyone who threatens my “choice” .. He said that’s the way we do business in America … sounds good to me …
Sometime daddy scares me though and I wonder if what he says is just a bunch of hooey frankly …..
I just hope I don’t grow up and have to deal with it ….
See ya Mac fan boys!! HOO .. HOOO!
‘one trick pony’ is a retarded way to describe a business, even worse one that you run. I dont care that balmer said 2, 3 or 4 trick. The original phrase is 1 trick. very disapointed – again – that ballmer has such little real apparent insight. Seriously, is there actually something he excels at in business?
no really – i want to know
not being sarcastic.
dj, what about Apple’s software? You can’t forget that the hardware and the software of the computer are separate things.
re:
Ha! Don’t make me laugh you Mac snobs! …
You just don’t get it do you …? It’s all about choice … do you hear me?
Choice … yeah that’s right … something you guys wouldn’t know anything about.
I can “choose” anything I want as long as my daddy Mr MicroSoft makes it or lets me use it … so there! I’ve got choice coming out my rear end!
My daddy is a good guy .. he would never hurt me or lie to me … I believe everything he says because he’s my daddy and daddy is the best.
He only wants the best for me … at least that’s what he keeps telling me.
In fact … he said he would destroy, defame, or do anything it takes to get rid of anyone who threatens my “choice” .. He said that’s the way we do business in America … sounds good to me …
Sometime daddy scares me though and I wonder if what he says is just a bunch of hooey frankly …..
I just hope I don’t grow up and have to deal with it ….
See ya Mac fan boys!! HOO .. HOOO!
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LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!
SINCE WHEN HAS MICROSOFT BEEN ABOUT CHOICE!!!
I tell you what, do a simple search in google titled ‘microsoft anti-trust cases’ – THEN you will realise the shit Microsoft has done to STOP CHOICE.
The company delibrately EVEN FALSEIFIED EVIDENCE in an American High Court!
Bill Gates would have gone to prison for 20 years if George Bush had’nt interfered with the case.
Oh so Microsoft is about choice then eh?:
How about this then; Microsoft pre-installed Internet Explorer in their OS and put in code that stopped users from installing and using ANY OTHER NON MICROSOFT browser.
Netscape navigator lost dominant market share because of this.
TO BE HONEST – GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
I HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER AND USE THE 1ST EVER VERSION OF WINDOWS – I KNOW WHAT SHIT MICROSOFT DOES FROM EXPERIENCE.
A FRIEND OF MINE 15 YEARS AGO HAD HIS OWN COMPANY WHICH COMPETED WITH MICROSFT. M$ FOUND OUT THE SORT OF WORK HIS COMPANY WAS DOING AND THEY THREATEND TO CLOSE HIM DOWN BECAUSE HE WAS COMPETING WITH A SIMILAR M$ PRODUCT.
MICROSOFT AND CHOICE – RRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOO – FUCKING BOLLOCKS.
Well, the public, the press, and the antitrust boys have learned all about your “tricks,” monkey boy, which is why you’re finding the going rough.
hey Petey
ever hear of sarcasm?
Monkeyboy and his organ grinder Gates are in denial. The market is changing, they’re not.
Psyko, Apple itself says it has four product categories. It lumps computers and software together.
I had to read the following sentence like six times before I could make any sense of it
“Oh, and Ballmer, if I ran Google your speech at Stanford yesterday would be plastered on every door on every campus Google has”.
What the hell? Who taught this guy how not to use commas?
This isn’t really fair to Microsoft, they do make a good mouse
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Google rules the internet and Apple rules digital content and the portable digital players market. Apple also produces the most critically acclaimed, secure, and user friendly OS money can buy, really innovative server products and award winning designed PC’s. They are the fastest growing computer company in the world!
Next comes AppleTV and then the iPhone.
Seriously, is there actually something he excels at in business?
Embarrassing MS on a worldwide scale.
Being a frantic, slobbering, babbling fool freak. Monkey dancing.
Running his own company straight into the ground. Being a factor in his competitors’ growth (Apple, Google).
That’s the short list…
They’re going to get rid of him. They have to.
They’re going to get rid of him. They have to.
Won’t happen as long as MS is profitable. Too much politics, too many Ballmer pals holding stock.
Besides I’d really hate to see Ballmer go. His management has been a big help for Apple.
Balmer is on drugs, there’s no doubt about it. An overdoze is just around the corner – if an Heart attack doesn’t get the fucker first.
This is a very telling quote from Scoble in the comments that follow the post:
“What I can see behind the scenes that most people can see is just how messed up Microsoft is internally. My friends are telling stories that would make your head spin.
That’s what makes Seshadri just a hype job. He can’t explain the incessant reorgs. The incessant killings of products by marketing. The constant leaving of smart people. The M&A where Microsoft doesn’t buy best of breed.”
M$’s cash pile is hiding a lot of rot. How long will that last? Eventually the pile will vanish, however long it takes.
Microsoft isn’t a two trick pony, they are a one trick pony. Desktop software (Windows & Office) is all they have period. Linux is rapidly gaining on them in the server market, Google has them crushed in search/internet, and Apple is ripping them apart in the consumer market. Without Windows and Office, Microsoft has absolutely nothing.
They’re profitable, but not profitable enough for Wall Street. The stock has been stagnant for a LONG time. Plus, there is a lot of internal dissension. He is growing less and less popular and is considered to be a growing embarrassment to MIcrosoft. I can imagine that he’s dumped, though it’s going to take some more craptastic blunders on his part.
Why no mention of Apple in that article? That guys head’s up his ass too.
“craptastic blunders”
I’m sure Frankensteve will squirt some more craptastic blunders very soon.
Get rid of Ballmer?
NOOOOOO.
They have to keep him. And Gates. These buffoons are the only thing that will guarantee the death of MS Market share.
I am sure M$ has some brilliant developers but they can’t inovate if Fester ans Gates tell them that their ideas are “bad for M$ strategy”.
Keep them there please M$.
With Apple’s great current reputation for innovation in all areas they work in and Fester and uncle Bill lying about stuff and acting like idiots, OS X and other OS’s like Linux can grab a chunk of Market share and the real innovation can begin.
Only with vigorous competition can we see true innovation.
This is my favorite line, “Our third trick is trying to do online”.
MS wants to be Apple ………….MS wants to be the Mac OS
MS wants to be Netscape ……..MS wants to be Quicktime
MS wants to be Java ………. …..MS wants to be Google
MS wants to be The Gateway to the internet, DRM and everything
MS wants to be the iPod ………MS wants to be iTunes
Gates wants to be Jobs ………..Ballmer wants to be right
My first trick is trying to have a pillow fight with a mountain lion.
My second trick, if I survive, is to be a total asswipe vacuum and I want to be all the shiny things that I see …and to be them I must destroy them. I will admire them …then love them …I reach out my arms and they will love me …and then I’ll crush them with all my might …and then …….I will be a reasonable facsimile.
Yo, Petey, did you realize that you can actually buy yourself a Sense of Humor? There’s a special on them at K-Mart this week…
Better stock up!
I must say, EVERY time Ballmer opens his yap, he ends up sounding like a utter fool! He really can’t be the complete idiot that he appears to be.
Is he THAT clueless, that INSULATED from the rest of the industry… oh, wait, in his mind Microsoft IS the industry!
Maybe that’s why it took 5 billion dollars and 6 years to release a compromised product like Vista.
>Apple’s a 4 trick pony – computers, iPods, Apple TV, iPhone.>
OSX, makes it a five trick pony. Oh! And Steve makes it six.
MDN readers think Microsoft is bad? Apple is worse. Literally thousands of people had a problem with the 10.4.9 update in that their computer wouldn’t boot after install of the update. It was plastered all over Apple’s forum in two threads. Apple, to save face and prevent this “bad publicity” from getting out to the general public, DELETED BOTH THE THREADS!
Apple’s proprietary lock-in system is the worst I’ve ever witnessed. They’re so concerned about their “image” (what they are is dead scared of Windows Vista) that they can’t even leave technical information on the internet forums where other people can find it to fix their computers. It might tarnish Lord Jobs’ polished Apple if anybody found out Mac OS X actually has FREAKING PROBLEMS THAT CAUSE IT NOT TO BOOT AFTER AN UPDATE!
That’s about as LAME as it gets and we’re going to make sure the truth about Apple is known.
Never underestimate the power of the internet…..
Whatever. I have personally updated 5 Macs to 10.4.9 this past week and absolutely NONE of them had a single problem. There are always a few that have problems with these updates, most of which are users that don’t properly maintain their systems or know how to RTFM. They are the ones that are vocal on the message boards while the overwhelming majority don’t have any problems at all and you aren’t hearing from them…
I love how Ballmer blusters around like the Microsoft still means something. The Microsoft brand is $#!+. It is synonymous with mediocrity and failure.
Microsoft coasts along on Windows and Office revenues, losing bundles of cash on everything else. Eventually, businesses will find some alternative to Windows, and the whole house of cards will collapse.
Mr. PC Guy,
Choice? I give you choice. You want to run WIndows? Run any version of Windows on a Mac. Natively. Run OS/2. Run UNIX, Solaris, Linux – all at the same time with OSX. You want choice? Macs give you the biggest choice of software on the planet, running on the best hardware on the planet.
Do drink your Kook Aid somewhere else loser. Your Ballmeresque trash-talking here (that is, meaningless thrashing about – like Shakespear wrote, “full of noise and fury, signifying nothing.”) don’t fly.
DJ,
Apple is a five-trick pony. Personal computers, the Mac (gui), iPods, iPhones and iTV.
S.
And in other breaking news:
Dog trapped in sewer out but still missing.
Film at eleven.
Thank you and good night.
hey macheads. get a life.
apple is just a corp.(very good one) and Jobs puts his pants on just like the rest of us.
i’d gladly trade places with ballmer or his wife, and i’m not gay.
he’s worth billions, a wife, kids.
ballmer is living the american dream
Where’s ChissyOne’s saracasm when we need it the most! How about another Michael Dell type rant?
@Apple Sucks,
If a moron like you were standing on the corner of a major city shouting that the sky is falling just because it was–in truth–raining at the time, would you listen to him?
Computer users of ALL shapes and sizes have troubles following directions and RTFM when it comes to installing new software, updating their OS’s, and maintaining their hard drives in general. YOU KNOW THAT . . . or SHOULD.
The horror stories found all over the web about XP –> VISTA upgraders are legion AND ALL TRUE. Why do you so conveniently ignore them in your post?
I, too, just upgraded seven Macs of all ages and configurations in my office, and everything went smooth as glass. Disconnecting all external peripherals first, quitting all open applications, running Disk Utility, OnyX/Disk Warrior, and using the Combo updater was–as expected–completely successful in this procedure. Those who are having problems with 10.4.9 had problems with their drives BEFORE they applied the update. THAT is a fact.
In truth, the fault with the people you mention in your post lies not in their stars, but in themselves. Just like you.
@ Apple Sucks
Maybe I’m just delusional. Maybe I did too much acid as a teenager. Maybe I ate too many Big Macs and my brain is just clogged with too much grease, but do you seriously expect me to believe this conspiracy theory-like drivel that is oozing out of your message boards? Yeah, I know, Apple does do this, does do that, but you make Apple sound like Fred Sanford’s junk yard. And I know better.
To mis-quote someone who has never posted on these boards before in any real capacity: I know the history of Apple. Do you know the history of Apple? I studied Apple and I know the history of Apple.
And to believe one-tenth of the vitriolic bile vomiting from that site, I’d have to scoop out about 2 cups of my own brain matter with a teaspoon AND remove my r-complex with a straw.
In other words, go tell someone who cares.
s/he-
always nice to meet someone who whould be willing to sell their body and soul for a few bucks
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“‘Microsoft sucks’”
Well thank you Captain Obvious!
Petey –
I’m curious to know if you are either from upstate NY region, or near St. Louis….
Barge Pole as a coloquial expression is very telling and I figure you must be from a region where Barges were a modality of transportation.
This is pretty good too…
Upward and onward, Microsoft!
Pssssttt . . . s/he . . .
You’re profoundly wrong if you think that Ballmer bashers are all just jealous, or if not that they should be. I do not, in any way, shape, or form — envy Steve, the Balmy, Ballmer. I don’t hate him, but nor do I want to be him. Nor do I respect him just because he’s rich and successful.
In fact, I don’t respect him. I used to live in various greater Seattle locations, and was a network admin & systems analyst. I can tell you, with reasonable confidence that Steve, beyond all the internet anecdotal evidence that backs up my claim (i.e. blogs by current and former Microsofties) is, indeed, what they say. Not you’re average happy billionaire, to put it mildly.
So be careful what you wish for.
The fact is that wealthy Americans are more depressed than citizens in other Information Societies; and throw in most Industrial Societies, as well. It is our folly to believe that American billionaires like Bill Gates — like themselves, and don’t suffer from the kind of competition anxiety that results in some pretty manic symptomology. Isolated instances of throwing chairs is nothing compared to the cumulative effect that Ballmer’s very personality constantly has upon those around him. Clammy shoulders and shit-smelling air.
People like Gates & Ballmer, even though they’re “rich” and “successful” can also suffer some pretty severe, and pretty deep, personal insecurity — along with the resulting (compensatory) arrogance, or in some cases egotism and/or narcissism. Don’t want to feel like shit? Rely on all the trappings of money and success to convince yourself that you’re “the shit” instead. And not to single out Ballmer, this phenom is quite prevalent. Ballmer’s personality, to begin with + lifestyles of the rich and famous = relative unhappiness more often than you’d think. Would they be even LESS happy if they were barely getting by, same family, etc. just a different income? I certainly wouldn’t bet my savings on it. God, I’d be very nervous betting my savings on it. How about less happy if they lived in poverty? Yes. So life is much more complicated than most pop-culturized Post-Modern Americans give it credit for.
And, by the way, I’d have to think long and hard about whether or not I’d want to be the manic pressure cooker that is Steve Jobs, however enlightened he may be. Just because he’s a progressive, eats organic, uses recyclables, etc. doesn’t mean he’s the happy camper like the rest of those in Carmel Valley (statistically less suicidal than anywhere North of the Mexican border, and South of the Canadian).
Just give me a stable family, enough money to get by, and the kind of work I’m naturally wired to do and I’m happy. I know this now. And I just wish someone had told me at your age. Not just told. Convinced.
So don’t buy into it, s/he. Don’t conduct your life toward “success” or “reach for the (Balmy) sky” to be happy. Instead spend hours and hours and hours developing personally. Better at relationships, citizenry, parenthood, and personal enlightenment — not “New Age” bull or the like, just the kind of wisdom that leads to healthier thinking and living habits. You’ll thank me.
P.S. I have a life, thank you, don’t need to get one. Not anymore.
P.S.S. Ironic MDN Magic Word = MONEY
s/he:
So you would be Ballmer’s wife and and take it up the old wazoo just for all that money, would ya? I don’t know if you are gay or straight and I don’t really care. But one thing I do know is that you are most definitely sub-human. Having sex with monkeys just ain’t right, ya sicko.
I just upgraded to OSX.4.9 this morning. It worked perfectly.
Okay .. and another thing about you mac snobs …
You don’t know tongue in cheek or sarcasm when you read it ….
I’m going back to my towering inferno of a PC now and shut it down before it melts …. it usually keeps my home nice and warm what with all the CPU heat and all so I don’t have to use the furnace … but there’s some weird smoke coming out of it …
See ya mac fan boys ….
I prefer the humour of mr pcguy over zune tang anyday.
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So these non-search items are what Ballmer considers “sort of cute:”
Blogger
Calendar
Online Docs/Spreadsheets
Gmail
Google Maps
Froogle
Picasa
SketchUp
YouTube
Google Earth
Yeah those cute little items will never catch on.
Mr PC Guy wrote: I’m going back to my towering inferno of a PC now… it usually keeps my home nice and warm what with all the CPU heat and all so I don’t have to use the furnace…
For that, I recommend an older Mac. The Quad-Core G5 was the most efficient heater-and-computer-in-one appliance.
😀
Literally thousands of people had a problem with the 10.4.9 update..
Better than millions of PC’s infected with adware, spyware and malware don’t you think?
Apple isn’t perfect yet, neither is software or programmers, neither is the idiots who install programs that alter the OS itself.
Apple does strive for perfection though, it shows with each advancement of the operating system.
It’s in Apple’s interest to make a problem free operating system because it affects their profits.
Microsoft on the other hand produces CRAP and lets others handle the problems.
Microsoft is so desperate that it’s paying people to use its search engine:
http://tinyurl.com/2wdunk
What’s next: “Free Zune with every search”?
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IMO Gates’ & Ballmer’s existence is pretty hollow. Microsoft’s cycle of dishonesty, bullying and less-than-mediocre product development is not a life well lived. No amount of money can make these very real character flaws go away.
I’ll stay where I’m at, faults and all, thank you. It’s exactly where I’m supposed to be.
@Apple Sucks
Thats a silly site – very slow (so i guess running on someone’s home computer) and nothing substantiated with links. Do you have some personal reason to want to make this sort of claim on here? Is there something you would care to disclose?
I didn’t have any issues with the 10.4.9 update.
@ sydney Stephen
Yeah, I’ll clue you in. There’s a bunch of Apple fanboys on here. I’m not one of ’em.
Typical Apple fanboy response: “I didn’t have any problems with 10.4.9 so everything Apple does is awesome and anybody that has problems with anything to do with Apple products is a dumbass.”
Exactly. About time somone figure that out!!
So if Google’s apps are just “kinda cute”, why is Microsoft putting so much effort and so many dollars into ripping them off?
Could it be that Google are slowly but surely painting Microsoft into the irrelevant corner?
Hello? Hello? Can anyone hear me? Is anyone out there? Hello!
Is anybody there? Hello? Hello? For Gods sake answer me!! Answer me!!
Can anyone hear me? Hello? Is there anyone left?
Hello? Ballmer?
@Apple Sucks,
Why the bitterness? Did you spend your weekend installing Vista or something?
As for deleted Apple forum threads, prove it. Give us links to Google caches. Right now you’re just a troll.
And for proprietary lock-ins, have you ever owned, say, a car? Or dealt with ineffective dealer shops and blatant cover-ups? Apple and MS are downright gentlemanly.
@kipmarlowe:
Exactly. The pressures of “success” only get worse, with the constant stress of trying to maintain it. Less sleep, less time with family. Just achieve an amount of success where you can get through life with minimal worries, and enjoy your life. You caan’t take it with you.
Magic Word: George. Too many Georges can be as bad as not enough.
Mmmmmmm, suck
@Apple Sucks
Well I wouldn’t class myself as an Apple fanboy – if by that you mean I have no objectivity. I run an IT business with 8 or 9 Windows servers and a mix of Windows/Mac desktops.
So if you have objective, substantiated, remarks which highlight deficiencies in Apple’s service or which show behaviour designed to mislead users, or conceal problems, then I am certainly interested.
However there are some posters on here who rubbish Apple and promote MS – seemingly just to annoy other subscribers. To avoid being confused with these people you should:
– provide your email address
– avoid emotional language
– choose one issue and provide extensive documentation to support your claim
That way we have the opportunity to check out your claim and contribute to the debate.
I did check out what I could of your references. The Appledefects site isnt very impressive – its very slow so i guess its running on a home computer of some sort. And the complaints dont seem to be really supported. I read one complaint from a guy in melbourne about having 6 notebooks, but his problems seem to have been with the local agent and the respondents all indicated they thought his problems were a one-off…
I love my Mac.. But I’m far from a fanboy…
Yeah, Apple is all about choice!!!! That’s why if you want to run OSX, you need to buy one of their computers to run it on… Oh it may SEEM a little expensive, but that’s because Apple doesn’t make “junk”…
What PC manufacture makes anything that approaches Apple’s Quality. I mean, $600 for a computer with integrated graphics, only 512 Meg of Ram, no keyboard or mouse, and you need a putty knife to open it… On top of that, once you open it, you need to disassemble it to put in the RAM (and if you get the RAM from Apple, you get to pay twice as much as you would for a PC!!!!)…
WOOO HOOO WOOO HOOO Apple…
I love OSX, but Apple’s hardware is WAY overpriced. Sorry fanboys, if Apple cared about choice, they’d open OSX to all PC’s. They won’t do that because it would indeed kill their hardware sales. Underneath the pretty cases are nothing more than a cheap PC with a TPM chip…
To Apple Sucks:
I updated yesterday, not a problem.
I always run repaire permissions, run the updates, repair permissions again check for more updates, repeat the previous process if necessary. I’ve never, in OSX history had an update that has screwed up my computer. Anal retentive, yes, but it works. And the MacCast guy does updates the same way if I’m remembering correctly, he said he doesn’t have problems either.
Now I can’t say as much for Adobe’s CS, who’s updates have caused me NUMEROUS headaches through the years.
Boy you can say that again Scoble. Balmer is a real hot air balloon mouth with nothing to back up his trashy words. He acts like Google is some sort of start up company. At $450 a share he better think again about how he talks trash about Google.
I love my Mercedes.. But I’m far from a fanboy…
Yeah, Daimler-Chrysler is all about choice!!!! That’s why if you want to run a Mercedes motor, you need to buy one of their cars to run it on… Oh it may SEEM a little expensive, but that’s because Mercedes doesn’t make “junk”…
What car manufacture[r] makes anything that approaches Mercedes’s Quality. I mean, $600[00] for a car with 4 wheels, only 200 horsepower, no GPS or On-Star, and you need a key to open it… On top of that, once you open the hood, you need to disassemble it to change the oil (and if you get the oil from Mercedes, you get to pay twice as much as you would for a Kia!!!!)…
WOOO HOOO WOOO HOOO Mercedes…
I love Mercedes, but Daimler-Chrysler’s hardware is WAY overpriced. Sorry fanboys, if Mercedes cared about choice, they’d open Mercedes to all car makers. They won’t do that because it would indeed kill their car sales. Underneath the pretty cases are nothing more than a cheap cars with a combustion engine…
@Mac Fan
Who says Apple are about choice? Apple are, like any other corporation, in the business of building products to sell to the market they choose, in order to provide a return to their shareholders.
What YOU want is material to Apple, but only to the extent that they believe they can provide you with what they want and still fulfil their obligations to their shareholders.
And given that this was tried before and proved unsuccessful I think it unlikely they will do it again.
An Apple computer is sold as a package. Its your choice whether to buy it or not. And Apple has no obligation to sell you one component only.
Perhaps you are under the misapprehension that a consumer’s rights override those of the shareholder. They do so only to the extent that Apple are required to conform to standards of behaviour to protect the rights of the consumer, as laid down by law. Nowhere is there a law which requires any corporate to make everything that every consumer may wish for.
Here’s the problem with your post R….
You are trying (I suppose) to make the point that a Mac is a Mercedes and all PC’s are Kias…
Well, that’s the typical fanboy position, I know. Problem is, Apple sells Kias for Mercedes’ prices. The Mac Mini (which I am using) is the perfect example… I know you fanboys like to rip on Dell, but lets consider it, shall we… I can get a dell with a REAL video card, a Real Hard drive (not this crap slow 2.5 notebook junk), a case I can open in 30 secs, and RAM which I can change or add in 2 minutes, a real DVD drive with a burner (and one that I can use my mini dvd’s from my camera on), and double the Ram…
So it sounds like I am paying a premium for a pretty little case with an apple on top of it…
As far as “Junky Dells” and “Crappy PCs”, get off of it… When Apple when Intel they are the same basic components. (except in this case, not as good)…..
Apple is not a Mercedes. The only thing that makes them great computers is that they run OSX, and so would every other PC now made on the planet if Apple would allow it….
Problem is for you fanboys, it would also run BETTER on just about every other PC manufactured…
That’s why if you want to run a Mercedes motor, you need to buy one of their cars to run it on…
Careful there. Both Dodge Sprinter vans and Sterling heavy trucks can be had with Mercedes engines. Point still taken though.
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Let’s try this auto analogy:
Apple is the auto maker selling quality mid- to high-end product to consumers. Sure Apple might cost a bit more up front, but the comfort and longevity make up for it.
Dell is the auto maker selling low-end product to fleets. So what Dells are wheeled tin cans, they’re cheap to buy and cheap to dispose, and any problems in-between are handled by the on-site shop.
Yes, both are fossil-fuel burning, CO2-belching, rolling metal boxes. But both serve very different markets. Dell would never care about body panel gaps, Apple would never accept cheap vinyl seats.
@Mac Fan
How much do you think Apple would charge for OS/X if it was sold separately? It is such a tired and silly argument that Apple should sell you OS/X to run on your own hardware – we are all sick of hearing it. Its not going to happen no matter how much you whinge about it.
Apple sell a solution. You can buy an OS/X upgrade cheaply enough – but you have no way of knowing how Apple would, or even ought to, split the price between hardware and software. Your Mac Mini comes with OS/X which is, as we all agree, a much better operating system than Windows. You know it BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT IT. So stop grumbling…
Vista’s honeymoon is over
Despite the fanfare at its launch, Vista has received a mixed reaction, writes Roulla Yiacoumi.
Since Vista was launched on January 30, its creator has been racking up negative commentary.
“Utterly unimaginative, internally discordant and woefully out of tune,” was the verdict at Forbes.com . “Wait for half a year until the driver issues are settled and then buy a new PC,” the BBC instructed its readers. “Not yet ready for prime time,” USA Today wrote.
Most consumers will avoid the upgrade route altogether and simply buy their next PC with Vista pre-installed. Gartner is predicting that by 2010, 72 per cent of machines sold to consumers will come with Vista.
And the rest? “Seven to 10 per cent will have Mac, less than 3 per cent will have Linux and the rest [15 per cent] will be people downgrading Vista to XP,” Gilliland says.
Sounds like a cue for another Mac ad.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/laptops–desktops/vistas-honeymoon-is-over/2007/03/18/1174152859046.html?s_cid=rss_technology
I love Ballmer. It is the best thing in years. Ballmer is like free press pro-Mac. The more he speaks the more he damages Microsoft.
I hope Ballmer keeps the helm till the MStrain crashes.
Thanks Ballmer, you’re da man. You make it easier for the Mac.
hey macheads. get a life.
apple is just a corp.(very good one) and Jobs puts his pants on just like the rest of us.
i’d gladly trade places with ballmer or his wife, and i’m not gay.
he’s worth billions, a wife, kids.
ballmer is living the american dream
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If ballmer is living the ‘American Dream’ then no wonder the US economy is in such a bad state.
Since when has selling inferior crap products and ripping off customers been part of the American dream??
WOW. Google does one thing, huh? Granted, Google has followed in M$FTs footsteps by “acquiring” some technologies (PICASA for example), but Ballmer is once again out of touch. http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/ Look at all the things Google does.
MDN MW: total, as in “Steve Ballmer is a total moron, completely out of touch with his industry and this competition…”
The funniest thing about these Windows PC fanboys that love to troll here is that none of them know a damn thing about Macs. I know all I need to know about Windows PCs because I have to deal with them at work every single day.
And because I work with both PCs and Macs on a daily basis, I know all too well about just how much “Microsoft sucks.”
MR. PC Guy,
Humor, I get it. Althought it seems that some of these others do not.
I like “daddy” too. Please don’t hit me daddy, I’ll be good and not buy an iPod, I promise!! LOL
Later,
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Petey—
You truly get the Biggest Idiot of the Day award. I’m sure Ballmer won’t mind lending you that award for a day.
What a great lot of fun reading these comments! Let me just say, I work for a large enterprise, many, many, many pc’s (over 10,000) and there is absolutely no talk here of a time line for Vista. Zero, zip, nada. In addition, the one lab group who has it installed pretty much just say either “why did they do that? or “Are you f’ing kidding me?” about nearly every facet of the OS. The biggest rave is “that’s sorta cool, but look how much of the CPU it’s using” and then shortly after back to the “are you f’ing kidding me?”
Now clearly, we’re just nuts and bolts people, not big picture people. But none of us has ever witnessed such a resounding silence here about plans to distribute an MS product.
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I disagree with you.
I like money as much as anyone else, but I can’t imagine being Mrs. Balmer and looking up at Steve’s sweaty grimacing face whilst lying under him during sex…not for a few bucks.
Come on fellas. Lets get real. You guys are living in a fantasy world. Get off of your dungeons and dragons soap box, and smell the coffee. Windows rules the roost, and you guys (apple) are the ugly friend left out in the cold. You might have cool software, and cool ads, etc. However, you guys are too small, and don’t command any respect…except for music. And this discussion has nothing to do with music, and everything to do with OS X.
Give up, and admit defeat. You know what I would do if I ran apple? Shut down the company, sell all the shares…
. . . of people comparing computers to cars. The facts are plain enough; nothing wrong with the machines–it’s the frakkin’ OS. Windows has never been much more than good enough, and it never will be. Microsoft is about to have their asses dusted yet again with the next shift to touch interface. Their OS is going to look archaic again, and it will be years before they catch up. Difference is, this time around Apple are smarter, and more people are watching this time.
No problems yet with 10.4.9 itself, though World of Warcraft has been giving more error reports, but I can send those along and keep on my merry playing. Hopefully they’ll be pretty quick to figure things out. There’s some good people at Blizzard, IMHO.
@ Steve Jobs
The Shakespeare quote is from Macbeth:
“Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
But you are right – ’tis a Ballmer looking apparition in it’s form.
+@ Petey:
You both need to pop open OS X’s dictionary and look up ‘irony’ before you post again.
I have 3 M$ mice. they are 1.5 and .5 yrs old. 1 is dead
i dod like the ouse that died tho.
jun m4 KeYBoardddddddddddddddd