“Apple has released a beta of software that will allow its new Intel-based Macintosh desktops and laptops to run Microsoft’s Windows XP OS natively, as well as Mac OS X. While Apple has said it’s not making a play for the enterprise desktop market, analysts said the move will find appeal in already-Mac-friendly corporate niches,” Jeff Jedras reports for Computer World Canada.
Jedras reports, “Carmi Levy, a senior research analyst with London, Ont.-based Info-Tech Research Group, said Microsoft has nothing to fear from Boot Camp, particularly in the enterprise market. ‘The reality is, long term, Apple will always be a niche player,’ said Levy. ‘Even with the switch to Intel, Apple is not threatening the hegemony of the Intel-based Windows PC.’ However, Levy said Apple’s traditional enterprise niches have been weakening in recent years.”
MacDailyNews Take: “Always” is too strong a word for us to take seriously. Things can change very rapidly, although we do agree that enterprise will be last ones to the party as “IT Guy” will resist change for as long as humanly possible. That’s okay, we’ll wait for them to retire, get fired, die off, whatever.
Jedras continues, “These include graphics, advertising and creative departments, he said. The Windows alternatives have gained maturity and IT managers have been pushing for greater standardization. With Boot Camp, Levy said these niches can still have their Macs and IT can support them more easily.”
Jedras reports, “While support will be simpler, Levy said enterprises aren’t going to swap their PCs for Macs in large numbers. Where there will be wins, though, he said, is in small and medium-sized businesses, where firms have less of an investment in Windows machines, and where, with less support resources, they’re more sensitive to some of the security issues around PCs vs. Macs. ‘[SMBs] might be more predisposed to looking at Apple architecture on the desktop and being a little more comfortable moving lock, stock and barrel over to it,’ said Levy.”
Jedras reports, “Info-Tech’s Levy said the data centre is almost like a different world from the desktop, and in the server and storage space, Apple’s offerings have been very well received. ‘Even if the numbers aren’t there, the respect is certainly there, and they’ve built a bit of a beachhead for further penetration into the data centre,’ said Levy. ‘The challenge for Apple is to convince IT administrators that they are a viable option for data centre deployment.'”
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Information about Macs and Business: http://www.apple.com/macatwork/
MacDailyNews Take: As we have always said, even as many short-sightedly waved (and continue to wave) the white flag, the war is not over. And, yes, we shall prevail. For the naysayers we trot out our favorite example once again: In 1929, Ford held just over 61% of the U.S. market for automobiles. GM’s market share stood at just 12%. Ford was thought to be invincible, with GM regarded as a niche auto maker. Probably, some analyst at the time said, “The reality is, long term, GM will always be a niche player.” But, in 1936, just seven years later, Ford held just 22% of the market for new automobiles while General Motors held a 43% share. No company is invincible. Not even Microsoft.
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Yeah…he’s probably right.
Computer World Canada is my first and sometimes only source for tech news. Well, that and the Cape Cod Times. Choose wisely, young padawans.
Even non-computer savvy people regard Microsoft as a joke. I have spoken to atleast three people in the last three months who are switching back to Mac (and these are consumers, not corporate customers or IT professionals).
The reality is that the IT industry is a big ship and it will have a slow turn but Apple has created iLife as a way to differentiate themselves. Apple doesn’t want to fight the corporate desktop war…they are going for the home/college user in the hopes that the IT decision makers will come home to a Mac and one day will want that same ease of use in their businesses too.
I WANT Apple to be the best Niche player it can be. I don’t want it to have to compromise itself to get out of that status. IT does not like change, which is why Windows has the problems it has. Quality over Quantity.
No company is invincible. Not even Microsoft.
And neither is Apple, but they are doing a good job of trying to raise the bar!
Just thought of something… Apple has Mac OSX, Microsoft has Windows X POS
Is it so bad for Apple to be a smaller player? I like the exclusivity that comes with owning an Apple. If we were the major player, it wouldn’t be as fun.
Is the iPod a “niche player”? Enough said
I don’t want every dick and jane to have a Mac anyway, it’s my PRECIOUS
Let the rest of the world suffer with Windows.
My computing life has been a 1000x times better on a Mac.
He may be right but that’s o.k. with me.
We’ll gain (and are gaining) some ground though.
We all know Windows users are brainwashed S&M freaks…
I want Apple to be a niche player, too …. but I would like it to be a big enough niche, and a solid enough niche, and a sure enough niche that we will continue to get software developers to write for it and we won’t run the risk of it vanishing … like it nearly did back in the 1990s.
I would like to see the Mac OS platform make it up to about 20% of the installed market … maybe even 25%. A quarter sounds like a decent group. Not so much that we’re the “majority,” but enough that we have to be contended with as a viable alternative.
As for IT guys … screw ’em. A good IT guy is an out of work IT guy.
MDNs take is on target – comparisons to corrupt auto makers couldn’t be more appropriate.
With Boot Camp, Levy said these niches can still have their Macs and IT can support them more easily
funniest thing written…..EVER
it will be fun if the playing field were even. 50-50. i can imagine all the bickering between camps about which platform is better. picture breakdancing showdowns back in the 80’s.
The consumer market represents 70% of computers sold. Levy’s small to medium-sized businesses account for another 10%.
So if Apple garners 60% of the consumer market (highly achieveable) and 50% of the small business market, they would have 47% of the overall market. With Linux creeping up to 10%, that would leave Microsoft at 45%.
Now whose the niche player?
There is no need for Apple to supercede MS as the new pc monopolist. It ‘only’ needs a profitable niche market share, a rich collection of quality applications – and their developers, and the ability to tap in and relate with the rest of the world who know no better than to continue with the bad option…
Like most Mac users, I suspect we’re happier being one of the 15% rather than one of the 85%.
MDN’s Ford/GM comparison is SILLY.
You did’nt have to learn to drive all over again if you switched from Ford to GM
(this is what most people worry about with the Mac)
Gas from one station will work in both cars.
(unlike software… yeah I know about running Windows on a mac with BootCamp)
Variety is the spice of life for a lifestle item like a car, it’s an extension of your persona, at least to most people!.
(PC’s are just utilitarian – tools, nothing more nothing less, at least to most people!)
I could go on.
To add to the MDN take, “…then Toyota came from nowhere and knocked both GM and Ford on the head.”
This guy is forgetting that Apple is a hardware company. It’s Dell that it’s aiming for. All this public show of a competition between OS X and vista is just smoke and mirrors. Apple is going after the consumer market. It’s the only way they’ll make any real progress in the business market.
“Jedras continues, “These include graphics, advertising and creative departments, he said. The Windows alternatives have gained maturity and IT managers have been pushing for greater standardization. With Boot Camp, Levy said these niches can still have their Macs and IT can support them more easily.””
Can someone explain to me the point of the creative departments having Macs if they are only allowed to boot into Windows on them? Does Jedras honestly think that the “graphics” people want the hardware. and as long as they get to but Apple hardware, they’ll be happy using Windows?
Way to miss the point there.
Mercedes, BMW, Porsches, Bently, to name a few will always be “niche” players so what’s new? Slow news day for another low iq writer!!!
I would say just look at Windows versus OSX.
OSX is superior in every way. Windows is 5 years behind and falling fast as they can’t get even one version let alone the 6 they have planned out the door. And even then nobody will buy it until service pack 1 because they will know that it will just be a crash bucket until then or maybe longer judging by the amount of time it has taken them to get one version out.
Probably, some analyst at the time said, “The reality is, long term, GM will always be a niche player.”
Maybe Steve Jobs is the reincarnation of Alfred P. Sloane. With luck, Steve Ballmer will prove himself Roger Smith’s dual incarnation, or even William Ford’s.
Just for the record, I don’t think the term “niche player” existed when every car still had a hand crank (or a starting handle, if you’re Olde Yerp.)
“Computer World Canada is my first and sometimes only source for tech news.”
Jeez, Amp. Here I thought “8:30 in Newfoundland” would have made sense to you.
“Jeez, Amp. Here I thought “8:30 in Newfoundland” would have made sense to you.”
I will say it one more time. IT is not focused 100% on the end user client – there are so many other aspects of IT than just the end user. IT professionals could really care less what system is in place. They all have issues, even Macs. I support them both and see issues pop up all over – OS independent. There is no resistance to change the way MDN perceives it. It is simply a budgeting issue – the very myth you all are trying to debunk with the PC masses. In many companies, IT has been buried beneath other departments that THINK they can manage IT assets and budgets better than IT. It is these decision makers that go with Dell and HP – not the IT staff. Please stop making assumptions and showing your ignorance. You are no better than those you mock in the other “news” venues and you are just as guilty as them for not researching your comments.
Computer World Canada is an IT-centric magazine, and caters to MSIE “professionals”.
They know on which side the bread is buttered. No surprise here.
Move on…
I think the GM analogies are pretty funny, because GM is going back to being a niche player themselves. Everything changes if you wait long enough.
GM will change to MM. Marginalized Motors.
MW: company, misery’s lover.
They have computers in Canada?
As always, these analysts are about 2-3 years behind the times.
Sigh….
If what Apple has now (and what is upcoming during the next twelve months) is being a “niche player,” I’ll take it…
[Apple should name it’s next iPod model the “niche.” The iPod niche player.]
Where the lightbulb was invented wouldn’t have computers? (Edison, the Micro$oft of his time, bought the patent from Henry Woodward and Matthew Evan and palmed it off as his own.) Since Brits and Canucks were one and the same, Babbage, a Canadian, invented the computer.
Besides, a Canadian invented basketball.
“…niche players?” All of the combined mp3 players in the world fit into the smallest niche that ISN’T iPod. Apple iPod is not a niche “player”, and Apple Macintosh is not a niche computer. Apple has been at the forefront of desktop computing since its inception.
People are not stupid. Apple = OS X = Macintosh = Quality (for smart people). Dell, HP = M$ Windows = Low Quality (for dumb sheeple)
Sheeple are computer users who refer to a PC and think that means Dell or HP is their only choice, and that the computer doesn’t matter as long as it runs Microsoft Office to do their menial tasks. (TIP: Apple computers run on Intel processors, and offer Microsoft Office for Mac for your menial tasks).
Sheeple are platform illiterates who think Microsoft Windows is their only choice, they just need to decide on whether they want the Media-Center-Thingy or the Home-or-Professional-Thingy. (TIP: Windows is the most insecure platform on the planet. Apple is the most secure platform on the planet.)
Now go buy a Mac.
2 Not from Canada,
Idiot, Americans and Brits were once the same as well.
Basketball was just a simple game to keep hockey players in shape during the off season.
You know, the off season, the 2 months in summer, in Canada, when it’s tough sledding.
Apple? a niche player? you mean like Ferrari… or Gulfstream as opposed to GM or (heaven forbid) Dell? given those choices and taking quality, performance and craftmanship into account, the niche players sound like pretty good company to me.
diot, Americans and Brits were once the same as well.
Oh yeah. I forgot.
So how come youse guys don’t celebrate the birthday of that great hero of the motherland, Benedict Arnold?
It’s always tough sledding in a country where pizzas arrive faster than ambulances.
Who cares what these guys say… they speak to a non-existant problem. MicroSh#@ wins when you buy it for any hardware. However, cudos to Steve and the peeps for making Apple hardware available so the scared MicroSh#@ users are able to go out and finally experience a real OS. Sure they’ll install the substandard XP or Vista (in the who knows how far-off distant future), but as theu use Tiger they’ll be seduced. Because price and available-software is such an issue other hardware makers have dominated. I’d say that landscape will change. Dell and others will loose market share. Then Apple wins. Gonna happen kids!!!
Most people do not care about computers, they just adopt the standard. To win, Apple has to be perseved the standard. That’s hard to do especially when you have to convince a billion people who don’t care.
Niche player? Who freakin cares. After spending a week deploying XP in my office I’m ready to hang myself. What a piece of sh*t. And wasn’t some troll here espousing the virtues of .NET? Gimme a break. Listen folks, don’t fight the people who want to keep their XP, we’re better off with them out of the gene pool, if you know what I mean. I’m happy with Apple being a niche player. Nothing can touch OS X with a ten foot pole, not even Linux. If you get to spend your day in OS X consider yourself lucky.
yeah and most people still think 9/11 was the work of terrorists so this guy is just another lemming
Who cares what Jeff thinks.
As an “IT Guy” I can tell you I am not going to “die off” or “get fired” or “retire” before our company moves to Macs — well, I might, but not because of my choice. The real problem is not the IT guys, it is the management. They don’t want to replace their computing infrastructure due to cost and that is that. They won’t ever see the TCO of running a OS X in their environment because it would require too much “replacin'” but the Intel Mac will at least facilitate some replacing of machines from Windows to Macs. We are starting to introduce some Macs into our environment, but in order to cause the least financial disruption possible, it will be a slow process.
If Apple’s ‘niche’ is to be the #1 provider of systems over $500 and laptops over $1,000 – you won’t hear me bemoaning Apple remaining a ‘niche player’.
I was out with a friend of mine and his friend who is an “IT” guy. My friend told me in front of this “IT” guy that his wife wanted a MacBook. The “IT” guy nearly blew a gasket. Going on and on about how Macs are horrible and not to get one. Total waste of money, don’t work on networks, and on and on. I couldn’t believe it. I let him go on for a few minutes and then I told him how that’s funny because I have 50 macs running in my high end construction businesee running accounting programs, database programs, CAD programs, Excel, Word, xTime project tracking software, etc., etc. And that we had two Windows computers running proprietary GPS programs and a farmed out payroll system through ADP that I’d like to get rid of. He went crazy. Trying to tell me that that was not the way to run things and trying to belittle me and my company saying that we weren’t smart enough to know how to run Windows so that’s why we had Macs. I laughed at this idiot. I said the Windows computers are on the same network as the macs. Everything works great. OS X server works great. The Windows computers work but are a pain in the ass to deal with because of all of the extra steps to do practically anything. Adding a network printer is so convoluted, spyware, anti-virus, etc. I said any time you’d like to come into my office and see everything in action he was more than welcome. I told my friend that I guaranteed that his wife would love the Mac and if she didn’t I would buy it from her. I would help her set it up and answer any computer questions she needed answered. I told them about how now that Apple is using Intel chips she could still run Windows on the Mac either natively (boot camp) or on Paralels and that that should help her with the transition. The “IT” guy went nuts over this too. He said that Apple was a failure and going out of business and going to dump OS X and had to switch Intel and was switching to selling Windows. This guy was out of his mind. I told him that was totally untrue. He’s spreading lies and too lazy to properly do his research. The guy was gettting beligerent but I wouldn’t back down. It was amazing how crazy these guys are. My friend says he believed me. Hopefully he follows through and gets his wife the MacBook.
to the spelling police, I apologize in advance for the spelling errors. It’s late, I’m tired and I forgot to reread before posting.
Alan, there are still the desperate naysayers clinging to outdated myths. But fortunately their numbers are dwindling.
Alan:
That was fear you smelled coming off that IT guys head, because he knows if more consumers/small business continue to switch, CFOs and CEOs are going to wonder why their IT guys are avoiding Apple boxes, and then these same CEOs and CFOs will realize that the IT department NEEDS the Windows boxes to survive. And their proverbial asses will be on the line because their annual budgets for the alst XX years have been going to unnecessary crap like spyware protection, virus protection, oh and don’t forget all of the user seat licenses for those big companies running Windows 2003 servers.
Obviously, he realizes that his job may be cut if management really found out how easy Macs were to set up and maintain.
And in the future, when someone goes postal like that, just simply lean over, flick them hard on the forehead and tell them something was on their forehead. The conversation will end, and when your friend asks about it later, tell him that you were just adjusting the “L” on his forehead.
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Actually rasterbator, I think it was pure ignorance. Some people can’t see beyond their Windoze world.
I would like to have one nice niche Porsche 🙁
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I also would like to have one nice niche Vertu 🙁
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I would like to have one nice niche Porsche 🙁
http://www.porsche.com/usa
I also would like to have one nice niche Vertu 🙁
http://www.vertu.com
Let’s face it, MS wins whatever.
If the WINE option is not availablle, then you have to buy a copy of Windows whether you use BootCamp or Parallels and Office is available for both platforms. As a Software company, MS can sit back and keep raking in the dosh. As a software development company they may not be too great at OS development but they did get themselves into it in the first place and maybe we should all blame IBM for buying from Bill Gates in the first place.